From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:44:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22560: forward-word etc should be interactive-only Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 21:03:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 22560 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 22560@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.145461974211230 (code B ref -1); Thu, 04 Feb 2016 21:03:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2016 21:02:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60691 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRR2j-0002v4-OG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:02:21 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38690) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRR2i-0002ur-Kq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:02:20 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRR2c-0000tA-8W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:02:14 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41473) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRR2c-0000t6-5B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:02:14 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aRR2a-0002Gy-AZ; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:02:12 -0500 From: Glenn Morris X-Spook: Cocaine Consul Black out FTS2000 event security X-Ran: r44rPQF(2Qe=5/BZk0~ZJx"b?GzK.+g^jU>^_[w[XQ&qVd{>`n+LZLUN[}'ccHqb>15S7C X-Hue: cyan X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:02:10 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) Package: emacs Version: 25.0.90 The new implementation of subword-mode means that forward-word etc need to be marked as interactive-only, all existing uses of such functions need to be reviewed, and the issue needs to be mentioned in NEWS. See bug#17558, where this was all pointed out. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 04 16:04:28 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2016 21:04:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60696 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRR4m-0002yJ-49 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:04:28 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39348) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRR4k-0002y7-Ot for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:04:26 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRR4e-0001d9-Uk for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:04:21 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41503) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRR4e-0001d2-RC for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:04:20 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aRR4e-0005cy-9y for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:04:20 -0500 Subject: control message for bug 19759 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:04:20 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) block 19759 by 22560 From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:44:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22560: forward-word etc should be interactive-only Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 21:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22560 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris , 22560@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22560-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22560.145462052814131 (code B ref 22560); Thu, 04 Feb 2016 21:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 22560) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2016 21:15:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60705 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRRFQ-0003fZ-Bo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:15:28 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:47613) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRRFO-0003Y0-J4 for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:15:26 -0500 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u14LFJBu015042 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Feb 2016 21:15:20 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u14LFJ28009792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Feb 2016 21:15:19 GMT Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u14LFIqh031275; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 21:15:19 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <862b3779-8af0-42b6-9e59-7012e4d10ef4@default> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 13:15:17 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) > The new implementation of subword-mode means that forward-word etc need > to be marked as interactive-only, all existing uses of such functions > need to be reviewed, and the issue needs to be mentioned in NEWS. >=20 > See bug#17558, where this was all pointed out. Commands such as `forward-word' are explicitly counted on by thingatpt.el and 3rd-party libraries to be used non-interactively. The thingatpt code moves forward and backward over things using `forward-*' and `backward-*' commands noninteractively. Why would/should/must we consider such a command to be "interactive-only"? I see this in Emacs 25 NEWS: ** New properties that can be specified with `declare': *** (interactive-only INSTEAD), says to use INSTEAD for non-interactive use= . Presumably this means that if you declare `forward-word' as `interactive-only' then you will at the same time provide an alternative that replaces it for noninteractive use. If you do that, you will break 3rd-party code (I assume that you will update the thingatpt.el code to use the new replacement). Why not instead create a new _command_ to replace the _interactive_ use? That likely breaks no code, except for key bindings, which are quickly discovered by users and updated. Why would limiting function `forward-ANYTHING' to interactive use be TRT? From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:44:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22560: forward-word etc should be interactive-only Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 07:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22560 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 22560@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22560-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22560.145465632225637 (code B ref 22560); Fri, 05 Feb 2016 07:13:02 +0000 Received: (at 22560) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 07:12:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60931 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRaYj-0006fJ-KI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 02:12:01 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:48486) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRaYh-0006f2-Of for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 02:12:00 -0500 Received: from cpe-60-225-211-161.nsw.bigpond.net.au ([60.225.211.161] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aRaXI-0004tB-7n; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 08:10:32 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 18:10:27 +1100 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:02:10 -0500") Message-ID: <874mdn1vks.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1aRaXI-0004tB-7n X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1455261073.00919@qGS5xm5O1O8/GJsAoXbCXw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Glenn Morris writes: > The new implementation of subword-mode means that forward-word etc need > to be marked as interactive-only, all existing uses of such functions > need to be reviewed, and the issue needs to be mentioned in NEWS. Or perhaps the interactive forward-word (etc) commands should be renamed to something new, and the old versions of forward-word (etc) should be restored so that no code that uses these functions to parse stuff will unbreak... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:44:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22560: forward-word etc should be interactive-only Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:48:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22560 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Glenn Morris Cc: 22560@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22560-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22560.145468724927035 (code B ref 22560); Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:48:01 +0000 Received: (at 22560) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 15:47:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34572 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRibY-00071z-Tf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:47:29 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:31000) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRibT-00071h-IF for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:47:27 -0500 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u15FlGje007034 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:47:17 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u15FlDV6025868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:47:14 GMT Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u15FlCXI025526; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:47:12 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 07:47:11 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <874mdn1vks.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <874mdn1vks.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > > The new implementation of subword-mode means that forward-word etc need > > to be marked as interactive-only, all existing uses of such functions > > need to be reviewed, and the issue needs to be mentioned in NEWS. >=20 > Or perhaps the interactive forward-word (etc) commands should be renamed > to something new, and the old versions of forward-word (etc) should be > restored so that no code that uses these functions to parse stuff will > unbreak... Yes. That was my suggestion as well. I, and I am sure others, have a fair amount of code that uses `forward-word' (as well as other `forward-*' functions). From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:44:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22560: forward-word etc should be interactive-only Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22560 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 22560@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22560-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22560.145469050332124 (code B ref 22560); Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:42:02 +0000 Received: (at 22560) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 16:41:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34587 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRjS3-0008M4-Gy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:41:43 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53325) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRjS2-0008Lt-0x for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:41:42 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRjRw-0003rh-56 for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:41:36 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:46782) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRjRo-0003qT-C2; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:41:28 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aRjRm-0002Gf-Km; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:41:26 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: <874mdn1vks.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spook: DEA Blizzard AMEMB Tornado Biological weapon Quarnantine X-Ran: W?K+JPz80:Ur$7d"9ch' (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 05 Feb 2016 18:10:27 +1100") Message-ID: <5awpqjnm89.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Or perhaps the interactive forward-word (etc) commands should be renamed > to something new, and the old versions of forward-word (etc) should be > restored so that no code that uses these functions to parse stuff will > unbreak... This too was mentioned in bug#17558, where Danial was against it. This leaves Someone (TM) needing to do all the associated cleanup work. From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:44:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22560: forward-word etc should be interactive-only Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22560 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 22560@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22560-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22560.145469065432363 (code B ref 22560); Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:45:01 +0000 Received: (at 22560) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 16:44:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34591 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRjUT-0008Pv-VX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:44:14 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54263) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRjUT-0008Pi-DK for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:44:13 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRjUN-0004fV-I1 for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:44:08 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47182) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRjUN-0004fR-F0 for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:44:07 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aRjUM-0002XJ-2J; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:44:06 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: <874mdn1vks.fsf@gnus.org> <5awpqjnm89.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: enforcers Evacuation IDEA Forte FEMA Gang Firewalls $400 X-Ran: GsS=M-NU9^ZE^vtx=uy>[}#E>yt]'W~!mmy"=[-#<[%i:)QzZ[aa&L",P?uR%k}yIW~F@q X-Hue: cyan X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:44:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5awpqjnm89.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:41:26 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) Glenn Morris wrote: > This too was mentioned in bug#17558, where Danial was against it. (Sorry for the typo, I meant to say Daniel of course.) From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:44:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22560: forward-word etc should be interactive-only Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 19:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22560 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 22560@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 22560-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22560.14547011332971 (code B ref 22560); Fri, 05 Feb 2016 19:39:02 +0000 Received: (at 22560) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 19:38:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34736 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmDU-0000lr-Re for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:38:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38061) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmDT-0000lf-2o for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:38:51 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmDJ-0003de-01 for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:38:45 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59070) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmDI-0003da-T5; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:38:40 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2023 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmDH-0000UM-Sv; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:38:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 21:38:18 +0200 Message-Id: <83vb63t0b9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <5awpqjnm89.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:41:26 -0500) References: <874mdn1vks.fsf@gnus.org> <5awpqjnm89.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris > Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:41:26 -0500 > Cc: 22560@debbugs.gnu.org > > Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > > > Or perhaps the interactive forward-word (etc) commands should be renamed > > to something new, and the old versions of forward-word (etc) should be > > restored so that no code that uses these functions to parse stuff will > > unbreak... > > This too was mentioned in bug#17558, where Danial was against it. I'm also against it. It would render the whole feature useless, and we might as well rip it out then > This leaves Someone (TM) needing to do all the associated cleanup work. Guess who that Someone (TM) is. From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:44:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22560: forward-word etc should be interactive-only Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 20:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22560 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 22560@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org Received: via spool by 22560-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22560.145470343212819 (code B ref 22560); Fri, 05 Feb 2016 20:18:02 +0000 Received: (at 22560) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 20:17:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34770 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmoa-0003Kg-Im for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:17:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46295) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmoY-0003KQ-W4 for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:17:11 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmoT-00042Q-23 for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:17:05 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59483) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmoL-0003vA-Dl; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:16:57 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmoK-0001C1-83; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:16:56 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: <874mdn1vks.fsf@gnus.org> <5awpqjnm89.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb63t0b9.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: Lightning Tucson Stranded Drill Jet Yukon Nationalist X-Ran: Y|GlS?~>8D`%B=zdJF>zQiDxeFH]9YM,:vL(85p)SB2+CP5HqaXb^ta;E>5|]wH4Z7;#~K X-Hue: white X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:16:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83vb63t0b9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 05 Feb 2016 21:38:18 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) I don't want to get involved, but purely as a data point: C-n runs next-line, which does all kinds of fancy stuff and is marked for interactive-use only, and forward-line is for use in Lisp programs. But 'twas ever thus, AFAIK. From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:44:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22560: forward-word etc should be interactive-only Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 22:01:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22560 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 22560@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 22560-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22560.145470964028324 (code B ref 22560); Fri, 05 Feb 2016 22:01:01 +0000 Received: (at 22560) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 22:00:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34849 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRoQe-0007Mi-VF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:00:40 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39414) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRoQc-0007MW-Lp for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:00:34 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRoQS-0002km-Q7 for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:00:29 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60862) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRoQS-0002ki-Mh; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:00:24 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2178 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aRoQR-0000JL-AG; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:00:24 -0500 Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 00:00:00 +0200 Message-Id: <83oabuu8bj.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:16:56 -0500) References: <874mdn1vks.fsf@gnus.org> <5awpqjnm89.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb63t0b9.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 22560@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:16:56 -0500 > > > I don't want to get involved, but purely as a data point: > C-n runs next-line, which does all kinds of fancy stuff and is marked > for interactive-use only, and forward-line is for use in Lisp programs. > But 'twas ever thus, AFAIK. I don't think forward-word should be interactive-use only. From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:44:20 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Glenn Morris Subject: bug#22560: closed (Re: bug#22560: forward-word etc should be interactive-only) Message-ID: References: <83mvreu7m4.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 22560 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 22560@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 22:16:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1454710562-29729-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1454710562-29729-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #22560: forward-word etc should be interactive-only which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 22560@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 22560: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D22560 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1454710562-29729-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 22560-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 22:15:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34865 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRofQ-0007jA-Au for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:15:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42478) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRofO-0007iz-2b for 22560-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:15:50 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRofE-0006Wr-Dg for 22560-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:15:44 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:32889) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRofD-0006Wm-Pf for 22560-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:15:39 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2195 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aRofC-0000RH-Ry; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:15:39 -0500 Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 00:15:15 +0200 Message-Id: <83mvreu7m4.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:02:10 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#22560: forward-word etc should be interactive-only References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22560-done Cc: 22560-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris > Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:02:10 -0500 > > The new implementation of subword-mode means that forward-word etc need > to be marked as interactive-only, all existing uses of such functions > need to be reviewed, and the issue needs to be mentioned in NEWS. The documentation is now fixed, including NEWS. There are 2 new functions, forward-word-strictly and backward-word-strictly, that move by words using only the syntax table and disregarding find-word-boundary-function-table. I've reviewed all the users of forward-word and backward-word, and made those of them which IMO should not heed to the likes of subword-mode (there were quite a few) use these new functions. I didn't mark forward-word and backward-word interactive-only, as I don't think this is needed, or even TRT, since the sub-word feature explicitly wants to be honored in many word-related commands. I therefore consider this bug "done". As an aside, I don't understand how could we admit such pervasive changes into our codebase without proper documentation and without carefully considering its non-trivial implications. I also think that the implementation of sub-word mode, which uses find-word-boundary-function-table, is a kludge, and shouldn't have been accepted in its present form. find-word-boundary-function-table is a char-table, which should have made it crystal clear that (ab)using it to have the same function called for _any_ character is against the spirit of char-tables. This char-table was introduced for script-specific word motion. Patches to fix this aspect of sub-word mode will be very welcome (on master). But all this is a ship that sailed long ago, sadly, so all we can do is lick our wounds and hope not to make such mistakes in the future. Thanks. ------------=_1454710562-29729-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2016 21:02:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60691 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRR2j-0002v4-OG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:02:21 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38690) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRR2i-0002ur-Kq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:02:20 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRR2c-0000tA-8W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:02:14 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41473) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRR2c-0000t6-5B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:02:14 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aRR2a-0002Gy-AZ; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:02:12 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: forward-word etc should be interactive-only X-Spook: Cocaine Consul Black out FTS2000 event security X-Ran: r44rPQF(2Qe=5/BZk0~ZJx"b?GzK.+g^jU>^_[w[XQ&qVd{>`n+LZLUN[}'ccHqb>15S7C X-Hue: cyan X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:02:10 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) Package: emacs Version: 25.0.90 The new implementation of subword-mode means that forward-word etc need to be marked as interactive-only, all existing uses of such functions need to be reviewed, and the issue needs to be mentioned in NEWS. See bug#17558, where this was all pointed out. ------------=_1454710562-29729-1-- From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:44:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22560: forward-word etc should be interactive-only Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 18:13:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22560 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 22560@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22560-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22560.14549551322425 (code B ref 22560); Mon, 08 Feb 2016 18:13:03 +0000 Received: (at 22560) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2016 18:12:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60328 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aSqIG-0000d2-1B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 13:12:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43544) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aSqIB-0000b7-BY for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 13:12:07 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSpvF-0001LH-W2 for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 12:48:26 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:33514) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSpvF-0001LD-SF for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 12:48:25 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aSpvD-0005Jq-SM; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 12:48:23 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: <83mvreu7m4.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: Wildfire Recovery Secret Service Cohiba Leuken-Baden X-Ran: fimkzS4D{b#p.]U1]tkw@?~Sfk=ddT}c%S (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 06 Feb 2016 00:15:15 +0200") Message-ID: <5gsi13xfdk.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) Thank you. I think the doc of forward-word and backward-word should mention this issue and xref to the -strictly versions. I also think an explicit "by `find-word-boundary-function-table' (as used by e.g. `subword-mode')" would be helpful. From unknown Tue Sep 09 00:44:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22560: forward-word etc should be interactive-only Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22560 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 22560@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 22560-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22560.145512917026636 (code B ref 22560); Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:33:02 +0000 Received: (at 22560) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2016 18:32:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35238 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTZZK-0006vY-2y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:32:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44266) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTZZI-0006vL-E2 for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:32:48 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTZZ9-0002wh-Bb for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:32:43 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40852) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTZZ9-0002wc-8Y for 22560@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:32:39 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2895 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aTZZ8-00022H-3i; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:32:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:32:26 +0200 Message-Id: <83mvr8a01x.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <5gsi13xfdk.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Mon, 08 Feb 2016 12:48:23 -0500) References: <83mvreu7m4.fsf@gnu.org> <5gsi13xfdk.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: 22560@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 12:48:23 -0500 > > > Thank you. You are welcome. > I think the doc of forward-word and backward-word should mention this > issue and xref to the -strictly versions. I also think an explicit > "by `find-word-boundary-function-table' (as used by e.g. `subword-mode')" > would be helpful. Done.