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25.1.50; vc-annotate (HG) does not display changes within one day (colors)

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From: Uwe Brauer <oub <at> mat.ucm.es>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 25.1.50;
 vc-annotate (HG) does not display changes within one day (colors)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:29:45 +0000

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Hello

Recipe:

Start emacs -Q

open a file under (HG) version control,
add a line (commit)
add a line (commit)
add a line (commit)

Run vc-annotate.

I attach the screenshots using emacs-25-master and emacs-25-branch.

For master vc-annotate displays the lines all in the same color while
emacs-25-branch distinguish them.

Most likely one reason is the change Dmitry did in vc-hg, when I asked
for a short date format when using vc-annotate.

One candidate for the trouble  could be this line:

The new code in question format is 


  (apply #'vc-hg-command buffer 0 file "annotate" "-dq" "-n"

(-dq means short date format.)


While the old one is that:

(apply #'vc-hg-command buffer 0 file "annotate" "-d" "-n" "--follow"

However ahg, a third party package has also an implementation of annotate
using a *short* date format *and* displays the colors correctly. I
attach a screenshot.

I don't know what to suggest. If the decision depended on me I would
say if the only solution is going back to the "-d" instead of the "-dq"
format, I would say do not go back, the "-d" format is just too long
(and I would use ahg for annoation)


Uwe Brauer 

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Message #8 received at 22470 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Uwe Brauer <oub <at> mat.ucm.es>
Cc: 22470 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#22470: 25.1.50;
 vc-annotate (HG) does not display changes within one day (colors)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:50:20 -0500

Uwe Brauer wrote:

> For master vc-annotate displays the lines all in the same color while
> emacs-25-branch distinguish them.

FWIW, I see no difference between current master and emacs-25.
It also seems self-evident to me that if you've set the date to only
display at the level of days, you'll only get colouring at the same
level.

The current vc-annotate behavior for hg seems consistent with eg git.

Finally, at a very quick glance that ahg thing seems to colorize based
on revision number, not on age, which is a different scheme.

So personally I see no bug here.

Message #11 received at 22470 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Uwe Brauer <oub <at> mat.ucm.es>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Uwe Brauer <oub <at> mat.ucm.es>, 22470 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#22470: 25.1.50;
 vc-annotate (HG) does not display changes within one day (colors)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 19:18:47 +0000

>>> "GM" == Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

    > Uwe Brauer wrote:
    >> For master vc-annotate displays the lines all in the same color while
    >> emacs-25-branch distinguish them.

    > FWIW, I see no difference between current master and emacs-25.
    > It also seems self-evident to me that if you've set the date to only
    > display at the level of days, you'll only get colouring at the same
    > level.

Well I hoped one could generate coloring which reflects changes within
the day, but display the time format deleting the hours and minutes but
it seems not to be possible.


    > The current vc-annotate behavior for hg seems consistent with eg git.

Well but I still think it were better to display changes which occur
within a day.


    > Finally, at a very quick glance that ahg thing seems to colorize
    > based on revision number, not on age, which is a different scheme.

By revision number do you mean the changeset or the internal local
revision number which hg assigns to its commits but git does not? If it
is the former, maybe that would be a more appropriate model for
vc-annotate?

    > So personally I see no bug here.

I did not use the word bug, I was asked to send a bug report in order to
find out whether there is a bug.

Message #14 received at 22470 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Uwe Brauer <oub <at> mat.ucm.es>
Cc: 22470 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#22470: 25.1.50; vc-annotate (HG) does not display changes
 within one day (colors)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 03:03:26 +0300

On 01/26/2016 09:50 PM, Glenn Morris wrote:

> FWIW, I see no difference between current master and emacs-25.
> It also seems self-evident to me that if you've set the date to only
> display at the level of days, you'll only get colouring at the same
> level.
>
> The current vc-annotate behavior for hg seems consistent with eg git.

Both true statements. However, it is possible to both show short dates 
and colorize at the minute resolution, e.g. by asking for a detailed 
date format from the backend program, and then turning those dates into 
short ones when parsing the output. Something to consider for the next 
release, maybe.

> Finally, at a very quick glance that ahg thing seems to colorize based
> on revision number, not on age, which is a different scheme.

I do wonder if aHg's approach is better. The default palette mapping 
doesn't convey to me, personally, any particular information about time. 
I had to glance at the relevant variable and its value to understand 
that red means "new", blue means "old", and green and orange are 
somewhere in between. I'll probably forget this soon enough.

The only way we could make the color intuitive, I think, is by using 
some linear gradient, and then, I fear, the difference in color between 
revisions made on close days might be too small to notice.

Simply showing that these lines of code were produce by the same 
revision, and those and those by two different ones, seems more valuable 
anyway.

Message #17 received at 22470 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
To: Uwe Brauer <oub <at> mat.ucm.es>, Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 22470 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#22470: 25.1.50; vc-annotate (HG) does not display changes
 within one day (colors)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 03:35:59 +0300

On 01/26/2016 10:18 PM, Uwe Brauer wrote:

> Well I hoped one could generate coloring which reflects changes within
> the day, but display the time format deleting the hours and minutes but
> it seems not to be possible.

Not possible right now, no.

>      > Finally, at a very quick glance that ahg thing seems to colorize
>      > based on revision number, not on age, which is a different scheme.
>
> By revision number do you mean the changeset or the internal local
> revision number which hg assigns to its commits but git does not? If it
> is the former, maybe that would be a more appropriate model for
> vc-annotate?

Whatever revision-identifying numbers or strings appear in the output.

>      > So personally I see no bug here.
>
> I did not use the word bug, I was asked to send a bug report in order to
> find out whether there is a bug.

You were asked to file the bug for a different reason: you said there's 
a difference in behavior here between emasc-25 and master, which would 
be a problem. Was the version from one of the branches too old?

Another problematic thing is visible on your screenshot here: 
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2016-01/pngrALEdUf1mc.png

Revisions from two consecutive days are still colored the same. At the 
time, I thought it to be a bug, but it depends on how big is the range 
of time between the oldest and the newest revisions in the buffer: after 
all, the annotation palette is limited.

If the commits were made in N most recent days, one can to tweak the 
precision (by customizing vc-annotate-display-mode), but you seem to 
have figured it out already.

Glenn, don't you think it's a problem that we can't distinguish between 
older commits made on consecutive days? I'd say it's an argument in 
favor of adopting aHg's scheme, or at least adding it as an option.

Message #20 received at 22470 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
To: Uwe Brauer <oub <at> mat.ucm.es>, 22470 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#22470: 25.1.50; vc-annotate (HG) does not display changes
 within one day (colors)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 03:40:46 +0300

On 01/26/2016 06:29 PM, Uwe Brauer wrote:

> Most likely one reason is the change Dmitry did in vc-hg, when I asked
> for a short date format when using vc-annotate.

That change was made on emacs-25 first, and merged to master later.

Message #23 received at 22470 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
Cc: Uwe Brauer <oub <at> mat.ucm.es>, 22470 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#22470: 25.1.50;
 vc-annotate (HG) does not display changes within one day (colors)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 11:42:59 -0500

Dmitry Gutov wrote:

> Glenn, don't you think it's a problem that we can't distinguish
> between older commits made on consecutive days?

Personally I don't need that level of granularity from what is just
colouring, after all. But that's just, like, my opinion, man.

Message #28 received at 22470 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
Cc: Uwe Brauer <oub <at> mat.ucm.es>, 22470 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#22470: 25.1.50;
 vc-annotate (HG) does not display changes within one day (colors)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:43:24 -0500

Dmitry Gutov wrote:

>> Finally, at a very quick glance that ahg thing seems to colorize based
>> on revision number, not on age, which is a different scheme.
>
> I do wonder if aHg's approach is better.

ISTM that it's only useful if revision numbers are per-file, which is
what, RCS and CVS? (In git they aren't even sequential.)
And then only if the entire history spans less than a few days.

> The default palette mapping doesn't convey to me, personally, any
> particular information about time.

That seems an unrelated issue.

> Simply showing that these lines of code were produce by the same
> revision, and those and those by two different ones, seems more
> valuable anyway.

Oh, I see. Not for me, but each to his own. :)

Message #31 received at 22470 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
To: Uwe Brauer <oub <at> mat.ucm.es>
Cc: 22470 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, control <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: 25.1.50; vc-annotate (HG) does not display changes within one
 day (colors)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:03:43 +0800

block 22470 by 6745
thanks

ISTM that we might be able to fix the specific regression described in
this bug by first providing the general mechanism requested in #6745.

As for the idea of a new user option to switch to colouring based on
distinct revisions rather than time: makes sense to me, but would be a
separate bug.

-- 
Sean Whitton

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