From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:46:20 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2235: 22.2.1 emacs -Q should not turn on font-lock Reply-To: Jari Aalto , 2235@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Jari Aalto Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:00:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 2235 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.12340904473958 (code B ref -1); Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:00:04 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 8 Feb 2009 10:54:07 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=4.0 tests=CT_IMAGE autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from emh07.mail.saunalahti.fi (emh07.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.117]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n18As2bx003952 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 02:54:04 -0800 Received: from saunalahti-vams (vs3-11.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.95]) by emh07-2.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with SMTP id 83AF218CEEE for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:54:01 +0200 (EET) Received: from emh04.mail.saunalahti.fi ([62.142.5.110]) by vs3-11.mail.saunalahti.fi ([62.142.5.95]) with SMTP (gateway) id A0568A7D593; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:54:01 +0200 Received: from picasso.cante.net (a91-155-187-216.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.155.187.216]) by emh04.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B1341BF5 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:54:00 +0200 (EET) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (helo=jondo.cante.net) by picasso.cante.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LW7IU-0001R1-U9 for submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:53:58 +0200 Received: from jaalto by jondo.cante.net with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LW7IV-0001NG-Km for submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:53:59 +0200 From: Jari Aalto To: Emacs bug BTS Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:53:59 +0200 Message-ID: <87hc35ci7s.fsf@jondo.cante.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.7 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jari.aalto@cante.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on picasso.cante.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Antivirus: VAMS --=-=-= Doing a quick bare bones editing of file: emacs -Q README On a white terminal[1], the results are unreadable. Please deactivate font-lock when --no-site-file (as in -Q) option is specified. 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X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mail-bw0-f163.google.com (mail-bw0-f163.google.com [209.85.218.163]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n18BFoAi010746; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 03:15:51 -0800 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so586551bwz.1 for ; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 03:15:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=w9+l0SC+AnZGFJAWJpuGHPNbf3HSIs02sehv8BSE7+c=; b=XHBRV8s/koJ98yVzrg4va/X7sB63z8RqkP1ue87Lpzy+jeNuvsJjnDN/jHeBvD2BDm eatUtXhgZl8Mb+t1y71f9vBbUx/v5pVjBxTMry7Lf9tKy631ID5HkLW1rdTQ5qmvvCpB DtVOipm8n5qKRqnBaTV4acIrPdCMpn6frsmgg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hBezvaPsrFDi0/+ViIUAV1uH/hTJB7QTIEWhp8yijF8SRjw2Mm+NyCWDCcNdJn9nfj d6OpjzMYvVCfOEJOJu/F+5nfk6J2GpwH8ovF5nyzLwOhzlW/9TUsG1Xaj0vJne0Oz1+h +1DnAEWfx4GeF8ZcoMlTgfErxTS3ABFLfnrug= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.108.75 with SMTP id e11mr2382234fap.97.1234091744354; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 03:15:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87hc35ci7s.fsf@jondo.cante.net> References: <87hc35ci7s.fsf@jondo.cante.net> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:15:44 +0100 Message-ID: From: Lennart Borgman To: Jari Aalto , 2235@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: Emacs bug BTS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jari Aalto wrote: > emacs -Q README > > On a white terminal[1], the results are unreadable. Please deactivate > font-lock when --no-site-file (as in -Q) option is specified. Seems to me like it is better to fix the colors used. From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:46:20 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2235: 22.2.1 emacs -Q should not turn on font-lock Reply-To: Jari Aalto , 2235@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Jari Aalto Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 13:40:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2235 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 2235-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B2235.123409998811799 (code B ref 2235); Sun, 08 Feb 2009 13:40:03 +0000 Received: (at 2235) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 8 Feb 2009 13:33:08 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=4.0 tests=GMAIL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from emh07.mail.saunalahti.fi (emh07.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.117]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n18DX3wH011793 for <2235@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 05:33:05 -0800 Received: from saunalahti-vams (vs3-11.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.95]) by emh07-2.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with SMTP id 3CD3E18D311; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 15:33:03 +0200 (EET) Received: from emh02.mail.saunalahti.fi ([62.142.5.108]) by vs3-11.mail.saunalahti.fi ([62.142.5.95]) with SMTP (gateway) id A06CF63965A; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:33:03 +0200 Received: from jondo.cante.net (a91-155-187-216.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.155.187.216]) by emh02.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1842BD42; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 15:33:00 +0200 (EET) From: Jari Aalto To: Lennart Borgman Cc: 2235@debbugs.gnu.org References: <87hc35ci7s.fsf@jondo.cante.net> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:32:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:15:44 +0100") Message-ID: <87bptdxddg.fsf@jondo.cante.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: VAMS Lennart Borgman writes: > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jari Aalto wrote: > >> emacs -Q README >> >> On a white terminal[1], the results are unreadable. Please deactivate >> font-lock when --no-site-file (as in -Q) option is specified. > > Seems to me like it is better to fix the colors used. That's good, but is only secondary problem. Please refrain from turning on additional features when "bare bones" (-Q) program behavior is asked. Jari From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:46:20 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2235: 22.2.1 emacs -Q should not turn on font-lock Reply-To: Lennart Borgman , 2235@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 13:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2235 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 2235-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B2235.123410067814190 (code B ref 2235); Sun, 08 Feb 2009 13:50:02 +0000 Received: (at 2235) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 8 Feb 2009 13:44:38 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=4.0 tests=GMAIL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mail-fx0-f15.google.com (mail-fx0-f15.google.com [209.85.220.15]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n18DiYaW014184 for <2235@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 05:44:36 -0800 Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so2390676fxm.1 for <2235@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 05:44:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Au2iBYzEy09dsW9hQANmRyi711+LLRrdm4/X+ra5KUQ=; b=Lctj72dPUCs5fHB19etjC8Z618xXAmikMi0/d3o4myGGk9EPryWX3XDp0rnCM3f/5u EK6M0mwy8ZDDuVlcIRxXv4WdZAIuBjePwN+ux0YMW3gMR+F6bn8tkAXMpZqAb0dJfXCW dw1a9bFfCjl+gqgRhwIpmHdM5NepTxx7YD/wA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RWCzkz1b9oxZKqMlgBJmTGR0HTx9RYYG7AEnleYJV9ovmqHUE23IzGi5UE7l9+s6fB RXhimyf1po8Ln/9BsfIB1I31ExFcRS2hRqsojDlVUvVCelTlxPWkD+2r1U6NxCOA/tvl USge5NGtR7sHnqV/vWgmdq8B2/MUv0ZGBhLQg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.113.132 with SMTP id a4mr38194faq.75.1234100669002; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 05:44:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87bptdxddg.fsf@jondo.cante.net> References: <87hc35ci7s.fsf@jondo.cante.net> <87bptdxddg.fsf@jondo.cante.net> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 14:44:28 +0100 Message-ID: From: Lennart Borgman To: Jari Aalto Cc: 2235@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Jari Aalto wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jari Aalto wrote: >> >>> emacs -Q README >>> >>> On a white terminal[1], the results are unreadable. Please deactivate >>> font-lock when --no-site-file (as in -Q) option is specified. >> >> Seems to me like it is better to fix the colors used. > > That's good, but is only secondary problem. > > Please refrain from turning on additional features when "bare bones" > (-Q) program behavior is asked. Font lock mode is on by default since Emacs 22. If you want "bare bones" you can perhaps use fundamental-mode in Emacs. From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:46:20 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2235: 22.2.1 emacs -Q should not turn on font-lock Reply-To: Jari Aalto , 2235@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Jari Aalto Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2235 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 2235-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B2235.123410110116535 (code B ref 2235); Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:00:03 +0000 Received: (at 2235) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 8 Feb 2009 13:51:41 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=4.0 tests=GMAIL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from emh03.mail.saunalahti.fi (emh03.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.109]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n18DpXIq016529 for <2235@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 05:51:34 -0800 Received: from saunalahti-vams (vs3-10.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.94]) by emh03-2.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E024EBD27; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 15:51:32 +0200 (EET) Received: from emh06.mail.saunalahti.fi ([62.142.5.116]) by vs3-10.mail.saunalahti.fi ([62.142.5.94]) with SMTP (gateway) id A00C059E32F; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:51:32 +0200 Received: from jondo.cante.net (a91-155-187-216.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.155.187.216]) by emh06.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F62E51B2; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 15:51:29 +0200 (EET) From: Jari Aalto To: Lennart Borgman Cc: 2235@debbugs.gnu.org References: <87hc35ci7s.fsf@jondo.cante.net> <87bptdxddg.fsf@jondo.cante.net> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:51:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sun, 8 Feb 2009 14:44:28 +0100") Message-ID: <87zlgxvxy6.fsf@jondo.cante.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: VAMS Lennart Borgman writes: > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Jari Aalto wrote: >>> >>>> emacs -Q README >>>> >>>> On a white terminal[1], the results are unreadable. Please deactivate >>>> font-lock when --no-site-file (as in -Q) option is specified. >>> >>> Seems to me like it is better to fix the colors used. >> >> That's good, but is only secondary problem. >> >> Please refrain from turning on additional features when "bare bones" >> (-Q) program behavior is asked. > > Font lock mode is on by default since Emacs 22. "By default" I read it "as programs sarts without any other options". I think it is reasonable to expect that features are reduced, like font-lock, with option "-Q" to give "bare bones" program start. Jari From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:46:20 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2235: 22.2.1 emacs -Q should not turn on font-lock Reply-To: Chong Yidong , 2235@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Chong Yidong Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:45:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2235 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 2235-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B2235.123410760911413 (code B ref 2235); Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:45:03 +0000 Received: (at 2235) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 8 Feb 2009 15:40:09 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from cyd.mit.edu (CYD.MIT.EDU [18.115.2.24]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n18Fe5FF011109 for <2235@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 07:40:06 -0800 Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9E15A57E1FC; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:40:48 -0500 (EST) From: Chong Yidong To: Jari Aalto Cc: 2235@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:40:48 -0500 Message-ID: <87fxipj5rz.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Please refrain from turning on additional features when "bare bones" > (-Q) program behavior is asked. No, thanks. The -Q option is largely intended for debugging, and it is unhelpful to turn off font-lock for that purpose. If the colors on a white terminal are unreadable, we should fix them everywhere, not just in -Q. In the screenshot you posted, the main problem I see is the use of light cyan for font-lock-keyword-face. What we could do is remove the `:weight bold' attribute in the 8-color-terminal definition of font-lock-keyword-face. From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:46:20 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2235: 22.2.1 emacs -Q should not turn on font-lock Reply-To: Kevin Rodgers , 2235@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Kevin Rodgers Original-Sender: news Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:25:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2235 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.123410983321180 (code B ref -1); Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:25:04 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 8 Feb 2009 16:17:13 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=4.0 tests=GMAIL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n18GH8QH021172 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 08:17:10 -0800 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LWCLD-0002a0-Gx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:17:07 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LWCLB-0002WR-K2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:17:06 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46312 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LWCLB-0002W9-Fy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:17:05 -0500 Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:60085) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LWCLA-00087F-Sr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:17:05 -0500 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LWCL9-0002vQ-Ef for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:17:03 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LWCL5-0002CT-Ny for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:16:59 +0000 Received: from c-67-161-145-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([67.161.145.183]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:16:59 +0000 Received: from kevin.d.rodgers by c-67-161-145-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:16:59 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Kevin Rodgers Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 09:16:52 -0700 Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <87hc35ci7s.fsf@jondo.cante.net> <87bptdxddg.fsf@jondo.cante.net> <87zlgxvxy6.fsf@jondo.cante.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-67-161-145-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) In-Reply-To: <87zlgxvxy6.fsf@jondo.cante.net> Sender: news X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Jari Aalto wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Jari Aalto wrote: >>>>> emacs -Q README >>>>> >>>>> On a white terminal[1], the results are unreadable. Please deactivate >>>>> font-lock when --no-site-file (as in -Q) option is specified. >>>> Seems to me like it is better to fix the colors used. >>> That's good, but is only secondary problem. >>> >>> Please refrain from turning on additional features when "bare bones" >>> (-Q) program behavior is asked. >> Font lock mode is on by default since Emacs 22. > > "By default" I read it "as programs sarts without any other options". Think of it as "without any customizations". > I think it is reasonable to expect that features are reduced, like > font-lock, with option "-Q" to give "bare bones" program start. -- Kevin Rodgers Denver, Colorado, USA From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:46:20 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2235: 22.2.1 emacs -Q should not turn on font-lock Reply-To: Jari Aalto , 2235@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Jari Aalto Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:40:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2235 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 2235-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B2235.12341143767298 (code B ref 2235); Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:40:04 +0000 Received: (at 2235) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 8 Feb 2009 17:32:56 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from emh06.mail.saunalahti.fi (emh06.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.116]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n18HWloa007284 for <2235@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 09:32:49 -0800 Received: from saunalahti-vams (vs3-12.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.96]) by emh06-2.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with SMTP id 182A9C7A37; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:32:47 +0200 (EET) Received: from emh01.mail.saunalahti.fi ([62.142.5.107]) by vs3-12.mail.saunalahti.fi ([62.142.5.96]) with SMTP (gateway) id A03E73118A9; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:32:47 +0200 Received: from jondo.cante.net (a91-155-187-216.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.155.187.216]) by emh01.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2264030; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:32:44 +0200 (EET) From: Jari Aalto To: Chong Yidong Cc: 2235@debbugs.gnu.org References: <87fxipj5rz.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:32:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87fxipj5rz.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> (Chong Yidong's message of "Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:40:48 -0500") Message-ID: <87fxiox29w.fsf@jondo.cante.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: VAMS Chong Yidong writes: >> Please refrain from turning on additional features when "bare bones" >> (-Q) program behavior is asked. > > No, thanks. The -Q option is largely intended for debugging Not just debugging. When other programs call for $EDITOR, the typical value is for emacs users is: EDITOR="emacs -Q -nw" beacuse most want the editor to start in these cases as fast as possible. > If the colors on a white terminal are unreadable, we should fix them > everywhere, not just in -Q. If the -Q option cannot be changed, please provide separate option which turns off colors, something like: --no-colors I know it's possiblt to: --eval '(global-font-lock-mode -1)' But I'd call that 'workaround', considering: 1) Some programs that parse EDITOR, can't handle embedded quotes and embedded spaces correctly. 2) It calls for understanding more lisp than needed for average Joe 3) The short, self documenting option "--no-colors" and some suitable short option is easier to write. Jari From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:46:20 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#2235: 22.2.1 emacs -Q should not turn on font-lock Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii , 2235@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:40:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2235 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 2235-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B2235.12341215834751 (code B ref 2235); Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:40:04 +0000 Received: (at 2235) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 8 Feb 2009 19:33:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mtaout2.012.net.il (mtaout2.012.net.il [84.95.2.4]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n18JWxQE004742 for <2235@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:33:00 -0800 Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout2.012.net.il by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KER00H00I16OP00@i_mtaout2.012.net.il> for 2235@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:33:17 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.128.7]) by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KER002ZDIBFIGL0@i_mtaout2.012.net.il>; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:33:17 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:32:54 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87fxiox29w.fsf@jondo.cante.net> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Jari Aalto , 2235@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com Message-id: References: <87fxipj5rz.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87fxiox29w.fsf@jondo.cante.net> > From: Jari Aalto > Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:32:43 +0200 > Cc: 2235@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com > > Chong Yidong writes: > > >> Please refrain from turning on additional features when "bare bones" > >> (-Q) program behavior is asked. > > > > No, thanks. The -Q option is largely intended for debugging Indeed. This is Emacs, not XEmacs: -Q does not mean "bare bones", it means "without loading any customization files". > If the -Q option cannot be changed, please provide separate option which > turns off colors, something like: > > --no-colors This is already available, it's called "--color=never". Although I don't understand why you think it will load faster than the default version. Care to explain? or is this again based on your experience with XEmacs? > 1) Some programs that parse EDITOR, can't handle embedded quotes and > embedded spaces correctly. Which ones? > 3) The short, self documenting option "--no-colors" and some suitable > short option is easier to write. It's only self-documenting if one reads documentation. But if one does read documentation, then one would have known about a no less self-documenting option "--color". From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:46:20 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (Emacs bug Tracking System) To: Jari Aalto Subject: bug#2235 closed by Stefan Monnier (Re: bug#2235: 22.2.1 emacs -Q should not turn on font-lock) Message-ID: References: <87hc35ci7s.fsf@jondo.cante.net> X-Emacs-PR-Message: they-closed 2235 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 2235@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:30:04 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1234125005-18645-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1234125005-18645-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is an automatic notification regarding your bug report which was filed against the emacs package: #2235: 22.2.1 emacs -Q should not turn on font-lock It has been closed by Stefan Monnier . Their explanation is attached below along with your original report. If this explanation is unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate message then please contact Stefan Monnier by replying to this email. --=20 2235: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D2235 Emacs Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1234125005-18645-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 2235-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 8 Feb 2009 20:24:21 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, XIRONPORT autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n18KOET6017410 for <2235-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:24:16 -0800 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsoEAC/OjklFxIvi/2dsb2JhbACBbcp1hBoGgx0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,400,1231131600"; d="scan'208";a="33553188" Received: from 69-196-139-226.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.139.226]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 08 Feb 2009 15:24:09 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 679F1B4015; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 15:24:09 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Jari Aalto Cc: 2235-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#2235: 22.2.1 emacs -Q should not turn on font-lock Message-ID: References: <87fxipj5rz.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87fxiox29w.fsf@jondo.cante.net> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:24:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87fxiox29w.fsf@jondo.cante.net> (Jari Aalto's message of "Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:32:43 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Not just debugging. When other programs call for $EDITOR, the typical > value is for emacs users is: > EDITOR="emacs -Q -nw" > beacuse most want the editor to start in these cases as fast as > possible. I'm not sure where you got the idea that the above is typical. "-Q" didn't exist before Emacs-22, so it must a recent form of "typical". If speed is an issue, the recommendation is rather to use emacsclient, which will work even better in Emacs-23. The real problem you're experiencing is that Emacs apparently cannot reliably determine the background color of your terminal (it can do that for recent `xterm' IIRC), so it might think it's dark whereas your is light. Stefan ------------=_1234125005-18645-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 8 Feb 2009 10:54:07 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=4.0 tests=CT_IMAGE autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from emh07.mail.saunalahti.fi (emh07.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.117]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n18As2bx003952 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 02:54:04 -0800 Received: from saunalahti-vams (vs3-11.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.95]) by emh07-2.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with SMTP id 83AF218CEEE for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:54:01 +0200 (EET) Received: from emh04.mail.saunalahti.fi ([62.142.5.110]) by vs3-11.mail.saunalahti.fi ([62.142.5.95]) with SMTP (gateway) id A0568A7D593; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:54:01 +0200 Received: from picasso.cante.net (a91-155-187-216.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.155.187.216]) by emh04.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B1341BF5 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:54:00 +0200 (EET) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (helo=jondo.cante.net) by picasso.cante.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LW7IU-0001R1-U9 for submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:53:58 +0200 Received: from jaalto by jondo.cante.net with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LW7IV-0001NG-Km for submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:53:59 +0200 From: Jari Aalto To: Emacs bug BTS Subject: 22.2.1 emacs -Q should not turn on font-lock Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:53:59 +0200 Message-ID: <87hc35ci7s.fsf@jondo.cante.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.7 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jari.aalto@cante.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on picasso.cante.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Antivirus: VAMS --=-=-= Doing a quick bare bones editing of file: emacs -Q README On a white terminal[1], the results are unreadable. Please deactivate font-lock when --no-site-file (as in -Q) option is specified. 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