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[177.12.2.217]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g88sm40056798qge.11.2016.01.05.09.41.48 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Jan 2016 09:41:49 -0800 (PST) From: dbastos@toledo.com X-Google-Original-From: daniel.bastos@toledo.com To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3; on global-font-lock-mode's documentation Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 15:39:36 -0200 Message-ID: <0q1t9whqnb.fsf@DESENV-PC3.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:42:44 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) I ran emacs -Q and so font-lock-mode came up enabled. Good. I then ran (global-font-lock-mode nil) and it did turn off. Looking at the documentation, I read the passage below. It makes me think that the argument of nil, since that's not positive, would disable font-lock-mode, but it doesn't. The function really needs a negative argument. The documentation should be fixed. --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- global-font-lock-mode is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `font-core.el'. (global-font-lock-mode &optional ARG) Toggle Font-Lock mode in all buffers. With prefix ARG, enable Global-Font-Lock mode if ARG is positive; otherwise, disable it. If called from Lisp, enable the mode if ARG is omitted or nil. Font-Lock mode is enabled in all buffers where `turn-on-font-lock-if-desired' would do it. See `font-lock-mode' for more information on Font-Lock mode. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.1.7601) of 2013-03-17 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.13.1-1-dev/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8/include/libxml2' Important settings: value of $LANG: PTB locale-coding-system: cp1252 default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: ( g l o b a l - f o n t - l o c k - m o d e SPC n i l ) C-x C-e C-u C-h f g l o b a l - f o n t - l o c k - m o d e M-x i n s e r t SPC b u f C-x 1 Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. t Type C-x 1 to delete the help window. 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Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils help-mode easymenu help-fns time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel dos-w32 ls-lisp w32-common-fns disp-table w32-win w32-vars tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process w32 multi-tty emacs) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 05 13:42:08 2016 Received: (at 22313) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2016 18:42:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39110 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGWYZ-0005b1-Td for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:42:08 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49250) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGWYX-0005aV-Gj for 22313@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:42:05 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGWYP-0004dl-4k for 22313@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:42:00 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57743) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGWYP-0004dh-1O; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:41:57 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4055 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aGWYO-0001Yl-7L; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:41:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 20:42:02 +0200 Message-Id: <83h9ir50n9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: dbastos@toledo.com In-reply-to: <0q1t9whqnb.fsf@DESENV-PC3.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> (dbastos@toledo.com) Subject: Re: bug#22313: 24.3; on global-font-lock-mode's documentation References: <0q1t9whqnb.fsf@DESENV-PC3.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22313 Cc: 22313@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: dbastos@toledo.com > Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 15:39:36 -0200 > > I ran emacs -Q and so font-lock-mode came up enabled. Good. I then ran > > (global-font-lock-mode nil) > > and it did turn off. Looking at the documentation, I read the passage > below. It makes me think that the argument of nil, since that's not > positive, would disable font-lock-mode, but it doesn't. The function > really needs a negative argument. The documentation should be fixed. Sorry, I don't understand which part of the documentation needs fixing. Can you clarify? This part: > If called from Lisp, enable the mode if ARG is omitted or nil. clearly says that calling the function with nil as its argument _enables_ the mode, not disables it. As for being not positive, nil is not a number, so its sign is really undefined, I think. 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[177.12.2.217]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s188sm38038709qhc.41.2016.01.05.11.19.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Jan 2016 11:19:47 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Bastos To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#22313: 24.3; on global-font-lock-mode's documentation References: <0q1t9whqnb.fsf@DESENV-PC3.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <83h9ir50n9.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:17:35 -0200 In-Reply-To: <83h9ir50n9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 05 Jan 2016 20:42:02 +0200") Message-ID: <0q37ub96pc.fsf@toledo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22313 Cc: 22313@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: dbastos@toledo.com >> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 15:39:36 -0200 >> >> I ran emacs -Q and so font-lock-mode came up enabled. Good. I then ran >> >> (global-font-lock-mode nil) >> >> and it did turn off. Looking at the documentation, I read the passage >> below. It makes me think that the argument of nil, since that's not >> positive, would disable font-lock-mode, but it doesn't. The function >> really needs a negative argument. The documentation should be fixed. > > Sorry, I don't understand which part of the documentation needs > fixing. Can you clarify? > > This part: > >> If called from Lisp, enable the mode if ARG is omitted or nil. > > clearly says that calling the function with nil as its argument > _enables_ the mode, not disables it. > > As for being not positive, nil is not a number, so its sign is really > undefined, I think. I'm really sorry. I didn't pay enough attention. For what it's worth, I suppose the "otherwise" threw me off completely and the following sentences didn't take effect in my brain. I'm sorry. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 05 14:58:35 2016 Received: (at 22313-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2016 19:58:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39155 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGXkZ-0000df-A9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 14:58:35 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42555) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGXkY-0000dU-J4 for 22313-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 14:58:34 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGXkO-0000WB-MK for 22313-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 14:58:29 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:32887) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGXkO-0000W7-Ie; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 14:58:24 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4116 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aGXkN-0007h4-Oa; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 14:58:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 21:58:30 +0200 Message-Id: <83bn8z4x3t.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Daniel Bastos In-reply-to: <0q37ub96pc.fsf@toledo.com> (message from Daniel Bastos on Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:17:35 -0200) Subject: Re: bug#22313: 24.3; on global-font-lock-mode's documentation References: <0q1t9whqnb.fsf@DESENV-PC3.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <83h9ir50n9.fsf@gnu.org> <0q37ub96pc.fsf@toledo.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22313-done Cc: 22313-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Daniel Bastos > Cc: 22313@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:17:35 -0200 > > I'm really sorry. I didn't pay enough attention. For what it's worth, > I suppose the "otherwise" threw me off completely and the following > sentences didn't take effect in my brain. I'm sorry. No need to apologize, mistakes do happen. I'm glad we had this figured out. I'm closing this bug report, then. Thanks. From unknown Tue Aug 19 05:28:54 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2016 12:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator