From unknown Tue Jun 24 14:00:21 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22299: Obsolete selective-display Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 16:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22299 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 22299@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22299-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22299.155292540919345 (code B ref 22299); Mon, 18 Mar 2019 16:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 22299) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Mar 2019 16:10:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49042 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1h5uq1-00051u-5A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:10:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55468) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1h5upz-00051U-DY for 22299@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:10:08 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40496) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h5upt-0001Ia-St for 22299@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:10:02 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1h5upr-0007lY-Vo; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:10:00 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <7j8u467a11.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: Elvis Drug Administration Brush fire Phishing PLF gamma X-Ran: (}Bd9@yf\m+cEO1PfL90UmUXDo1RHoys~F,_F:Z8`v>EMQ(J$gvLs)1[M94$a`7Z7lzv^t X-Hue: black X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:09:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: <7j8u467a11.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Sun, 03 Jan 2016 14:11:54 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Perhaps this is done as of 2f50a99 and similar. From unknown Tue Jun 24 14:00:21 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22299: Obsolete selective-display Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 16:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22299 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: Stefan Monnier , 22299@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22299-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22299.161124819415832 (code B ref 22299); Thu, 21 Jan 2021 16:57:01 +0000 Received: (at 22299) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2021 16:56:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59231 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l2dG6-00047I-7Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 11:56:34 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59528) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l2dG5-000472-3W for 22299@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 11:56:33 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=vtjd65HjZJBU9Ifejy4860Xvo5UioHB/dm3hnpgTH6E=; b=kfnanDkTd4G8rU8jHPEnTZRp0m oog9l3NRL4V3x6n1d9nfdiUeslWFzbNOk54mswOTFgiG3oUoZhzyTerKDCpTYSHkDcyQZZFofD2nZ i6ix1mVr8xYKG5TtkoHo5bUoWfZqCzZ0gjz7d7HWGDbUbpL2o9oAGHhZ+Fas81ZkgU3E=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l2dFv-00076C-RV; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 17:56:26 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <7j8u467a11.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Now-Playing: Psyclones's _Third Noise Principle (Formative North American Electronica 1975-1984) (1)_: "SlabYard" Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 17:56:22 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:09:59 -0400") Message-ID: <877do66xft.fsf_-_@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Glenn Morris writes: > Perhaps this is done as of 2f50a99 and similar. The `selective-display' variable isn't marked as deprecated, though, and is used throughout Emacs... should is be marked as such? And the usages either removed (from the callers) or warnings suppresse [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Glenn Morris writes: > Perhaps this is done as of 2f50a99 and similar. The `selective-display' variable isn't marked as deprecated, though, and is used throughout Emacs... should is be marked as such? And the usages either removed (from the callers) or warnings suppressed (in simple.el etc). -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Tue Jun 24 14:00:21 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22299: Obsolete selective-display Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 17:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22299 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: Glenn Morris , 22299@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22299-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22299.161124929525686 (code B ref 22299); Thu, 21 Jan 2021 17:15:02 +0000 Received: (at 22299) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2021 17:14:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59248 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l2dXr-0006gE-Aq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 12:14:55 -0500 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:24364) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l2dXq-0006g1-DN for 22299@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 12:14:54 -0500 Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id E7926440F2F; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 12:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 9A0B444030E; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 12:14:47 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1611249287; bh=xb4FRd/LJARmHFAnx2PiX61C+eSgdhu05YxyPxwPACI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=j7Focck/4snU98eWLOj27wEAFTYYT0KZxmRYH1um6SEpf7Y6sLFPWYO3diCpQ+E1r 2Oc73Q7u512pbYY1uxnvn0aU7g6dwQeSg48tgBMWqixOXv3GKTqgCeV6hJ6F1SGqUj 2oiQvQ2wwM8AWM+drPel0TE6VNsUHQodPxTDKm0VjHJdcG4z/H0rg/HB8q/LHlo1eB lry5QoxCROhQLr87Det2YV2YlBzPzFyvZe7l3ayCUqiCfTlWcBLFrCju0tyBIfAwQ3 kTpRN/h+TEXoLMxqNqV0FNLqrpvbubxUaAaQK/NW/DWn1m4ZNFmq86rrTaLpFSjx7n 5T36t0tTBp/Sg== Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.72.224.181]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1DD93120153; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 12:14:47 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <7j8u467a11.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <877do66xft.fsf_-_@gnus.org> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 12:14:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: <877do66xft.fsf_-_@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 21 Jan 2021 17:56:22 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.039 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) >> Perhaps this is done as of 2f50a99 and similar. > The `selective-display' variable isn't marked as deprecated, though, and > is used throughout Emacs... I don't think it's *used* throughout. AFAIK it's *obeyed* at many places, in case someone still uses it (it's obsolete, not removed). If you spot an actual use, please report it as a bug. > should it be marked as such? And the usages either removed (from the > callers) or warnings suppressed (in simple.el etc). The problem is that the var has 2 uses: - one is the obsolete value `t` whereby \r.* is hidden - the other is when it's set to an integer N whereby it hides lines with a deeper indentation than N. The second one is a UI functionality and it's sufficiently "not terribly useful" that nobody bothered to write a replacement for it using overlays (instead, all the possible replacements provide a more tailored functionality). Stefan From unknown Tue Jun 24 14:00:21 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22299: Obsolete selective-display Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 19:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22299 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: rgm@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 22299@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22299-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22299.161125813931347 (code B ref 22299); Thu, 21 Jan 2021 19:43:02 +0000 Received: (at 22299) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2021 19:42:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59419 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l2fqV-00089W-3j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 14:42:19 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41592) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l2fqT-00089I-9d for 22299@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 14:42:17 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48760) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l2fqN-0003q1-7d; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 14:42:11 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3108 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1l2fqK-0007jj-CD; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 14:42:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 21:42:03 +0200 Message-Id: <834kja6pro.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <877do66xft.fsf_-_@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Thu, 21 Jan 2021 17:56:22 +0100) References: <7j8u467a11.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <877do66xft.fsf_-_@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 17:56:22 +0100 > Cc: Stefan Monnier , 22299@debbugs.gnu.org > > Glenn Morris writes: > > > Perhaps this is done as of 2f50a99 and similar. > > The `selective-display' variable isn't marked as deprecated, though, and > is used throughout Emacs... should is be marked as such? I use set-selective-display all the time, so I'd be unhappy if it were obsoleted, FWIW. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Monnier writes: >> should it be marked as such? And the usages either removed (from the >> callers) or warnings suppressed (in simple.el etc). > > The problem is that the var has 2 uses: > - one is the obsolete value [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Monnier writes: >> should it be marked as such? And the usages either removed (from the >> callers) or warnings suppressed (in simple.el etc). > > The problem is that the var has 2 uses: > - one is the obsolete value `t` whereby \r.* is hidden > - the other is when it's set to an integer N whereby it hides lines with > a deeper indentation than N. Oh, I see. I should have read that node in the manual. :-) Anyway, I've grepped through the Emacs tree, and I can't find any places where we're binding/setting `selective-display' to t, so there indeed doesn't seem to be any usages of the obsolete form. > The second one is a UI functionality and it's sufficiently "not terribly > useful" that nobody bothered to write a replacement for it using > overlays (instead, all the possible replacements provide a more tailored > functionality). Right. So if we don't want to obsolete the other form (and Eli says he uses it all the time, so it doesn't sound like we want to), then I guess there's nothing more to be done here? So I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 22 12:23:20 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2021 17:23:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32952 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l309Y-00009t-Gq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2021 12:23:20 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:42992) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l309W-00009d-Sv for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2021 12:23:19 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=1onKp1ki2s+HzB/tb/BjfbgCgOEI5jfHwspohYW4Ge0=; b=rtJ9v4iKhlGdxs1sEyMRK2IAQM GoPmeYTk+d2zoWTj4viXGdIniDhfn2rlWJ6U2GI0UdwR5nL91GE8A4y9WL9AnT4k4q9sktpZLH07d XDrWC63ZDV8jrrBxgsiqEkVys6QQnGfPvLGduipRNP14bdYjfSC0Cr7nXytCJaQJRIPY=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l309O-0002zg-Vl for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2021 18:23:13 +0100 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 18:23:09 +0100 Message-Id: <8735ys3myq.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #22299 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: close 22299 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) close 22299 quit From unknown Tue Jun 24 14:00:21 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22299: Obsolete selective-display Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 17:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22299 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: Glenn Morris , 22299@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22299-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22299.161133812811503 (code B ref 22299); Fri, 22 Jan 2021 17:56:02 +0000 Received: (at 22299) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2021 17:55:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32974 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l30ee-0002zS-B9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2021 12:55:28 -0500 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:19357) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l30ea-0002zE-Gi for 22299@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2021 12:55:26 -0500 Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id EF40810025D; Fri, 22 Jan 2021 12:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 978721000DA; Fri, 22 Jan 2021 12:55:17 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1611338117; bh=SPhMD6YxfBCObD0TR9bF+aHJsZBK1JUP7oD9RQAaiaE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=ajg0sAoj7rjqdyDJn6JSnVjZcNcjhXRqY6VQQ4i7phTqoYQ/uH9KnhEmnUbo1hzL5 2/eNB1wEv9u8hluJeNv17QQHYhWX3b2P0J6NO+eYcVxPUkIYWytlkgGJjWQj4RyrXw ixmDiYCwvtccgt87GaFAghkKvlLZQW5fvu1SIlRnm+6k6PUzlynsD4SKThjEfM8GwQ k8Tx2wEh1qjaatV3ADx96cAkomdGdV5BMMJmWc1AItMaHksafO06UMMDzPuVSszoYx 2MdCBpp55fxugIMTsS0ZYRn246dVn77ha/DB8jQ/Mcy7YSbnwwd41AOx/VpSZZ99sP XqQ4WpvWRt15A== Received: from alfajor (65-110-220-188.cpe.pppoe.ca [65.110.220.188]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 608411204EA; Fri, 22 Jan 2021 12:55:17 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <7j8u467a11.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <877do66xft.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <874kj83mz9.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 12:55:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: <874kj83mz9.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 22 Jan 2021 18:22:50 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.098 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) >> The second one is a UI functionality and it's sufficiently "not terribly >> useful" that nobody bothered to write a replacement for it using >> overlays (instead, all the possible replacements provide a more tailored >> functionality). > Right. So if we don't want to obsolete the other form (and Eli says he > uses it all the time, so it doesn't sound like we want to), then I guess > there's nothing more to be done here? So I'm closing this bug report. We could try and re-implement `set-selective-display` using overlays, of course. And we could try and provide some other "text hiding" package more specifically tailored to Eli's uses. But really, I don't mind the `set-selective-display` feature now how it's currently implemented, so I don't see a strong need to replace/obsolete it. The "selective-display == t" case is the one I care about because it causes (well, "caused" since we started to drop that kind of compatibility code) complexity in packages which had to deal with "end of line can also be \r". Stefan