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Emacs has the concept of a default process sentinel = - but this is not documented in the emacs lisp reference manual.=

 

--_000_BLUPR0101MB1553666065EDAFD8B7E6F73CBAE50BLUPR0101MB1553_-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 22 12:12:18 2015 Received: (at 22220) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2015 17:12:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60144 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aBQTx-0006ZD-T2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:12:18 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48414) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aBQTw-0006Z2-K6 for 22220@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:12:16 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aBQTn-0005x7-Ez for 22220@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:12:11 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:34065) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aBQTn-0005x2-Ba; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:12:07 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1602 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aBQTm-0006k0-AV; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:12:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 19:12:41 +0200 Message-Id: <837fk6queu.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ram Bhamidipaty In-reply-to: (message from Ram Bhamidipaty on Tue, 22 Dec 2015 01:20:28 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22220 Cc: 22220@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Ram Bhamidipaty > Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 01:20:28 +0000 > > Emacs has the concept of a default process sentinel - but this is not > documented in the emacs lisp reference manual. The default sentinel is documented with the set-process-sentinel function: -- Function: set-process-sentinel process sentinel This function associates SENTINEL with PROCESS. If SENTINEL is `nil', then the process will have the default sentinel, which inserts a message in the process's buffer when the process status changes. Maybe this is not prominent enough, and we should say this in a few more places. Other than that, what else do you think should be said about the default sentinel? Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 22 18:25:37 2015 Received: (at 22220) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2015 23:25:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60243 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aBWJF-0006iK-HM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 18:25:37 -0500 Received: from mail-bl2on0092.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.55.169.92]:7680 helo=na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aBWJE-0006i6-I3 for 22220@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 18:25:36 -0500 Received: from BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.163.118.24) by BLUPR0101MB1585.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.163.119.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.361.13; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 23:25:29 +0000 Received: from BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.163.118.24) by BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.163.118.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.361.13; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 23:25:28 +0000 Received: from BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.163.118.24]) by BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.163.118.24]) with mapi id 15.01.0361.006; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 23:25:28 +0000 From: Ram Bhamidipaty To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel Thread-Topic: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel Thread-Index: AdE8Vt0yhgfex/qTQOqx6UdhV2nl8QAhQ69VAAzqu6A= Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 23:25:28 +0000 Message-ID: References: <837fk6queu.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <837fk6queu.fsf@gnu.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=rbhamidipaty@roku.com; x-originating-ip: [216.38.147.4] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; BLUPR0101MB1553; 5:/3JISti31A4EEAFqZ6BfA+c3SrYWwwQwKxax1ZPGzGT/cQyO4A/ovEn1raocEnrIpZmRBbfKL9fXxJQdqKdQmSPj+b9YwDjQzacZztySVACpWuw/TVPDtkKKLq4rf7xj+F1+mL3Ia7AXW00ldG1LNg==; 24:/QEuc5xuNsFo7cD44f1LcoXjnvybnhdTL+pLDjpseDke1MemjFWXlS3hwsL3U3/S0c6SAtO0sw4YZ4Qf0WcOV+7ifI2BQ62ylCgY0z2gtvs= x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BLUPR0101MB1553; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:(169088704739312); x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2401047)(520078)(8121501046)(5005006)(3002001)(10201501046); SRVR:BLUPR0101MB1553; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BLUPR0101MB1553; x-forefront-prvs: 0798146F16 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(6009001)(13464003)(377454003)(199003)(189002)(1096002)(74316001)(5008740100001)(102836003)(11100500001)(77096005)(1220700001)(122556002)(6116002)(86362001)(3846002)(586003)(105586002)(54356999)(66066001)(101416001)(19580395003)(87936001)(2950100001)(5001960100002)(110136002)(5003600100002)(33656002)(2900100001)(19580405001)(97736004)(81156007)(5004730100002)(189998001)(76176999)(106356001)(50986999)(5002640100001)(10400500002)(92566002)(40100003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR0101MB1553; H:BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: roku.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 22 Dec 2015 23:25:28.1056 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 00fc7e42-ad65-4c4c-ab54-848ba124a5b7 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BLUPR0101MB1553 X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: 1; BLUPR0101MB1585; 2:JzzfQX6jyFI4TT66O14LspQBd884HdEIgc9XY+ZTqeRgBQThDF6K9zZiW72G+D2TxlsgfjyTcAoTvIGKfFLbUxSVnC3I5JxQpp4zjUz81smD9+B+W+pKsUxG95msFG/KThgujORrSIxY0lp3ji3SnQ==; 23:88FBOAYmsRzH2S/3yiTMr6hnfvdoJJawttMwovgGZRQNm3PrNzlhMxdTvDPID8sdeORBkpdQdr1nAVR3QVPucwZYEXXYFzjH0Te/LL+VzBvuTibD2UdmTcccNcJneqOE64YYrINmjOsUuc8yQrDk7Xe4negp5+kAdZGBHBSl4JwaRazAiqrdz9FuANegSqFf X-OriginatorOrg: roku.com X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22220 Cc: "22220@debbugs.gnu.org" <22220@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Hi there, Thank you for responding. It would be nice if the default process sentinel were explicitly documented= - at least the name and formal description.=20 -Ram -----Original Message----- From: Eli Zaretskii [mailto:eliz@gnu.org]=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 9:13 AM To: Ram Bhamidipaty Cc: 22220@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel > From: Ram Bhamidipaty > Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 01:20:28 +0000 >=20 > Emacs has the concept of a default process sentinel - but this is not > documented in the emacs lisp reference manual. The default sentinel is documented with the set-process-sentinel function: -- Function: set-process-sentinel process sentinel This function associates SENTINEL with PROCESS. If SENTINEL is `nil', then the process will have the default sentinel, which inserts a message in the process's buffer when the process status changes. Maybe this is not prominent enough, and we should say this in a few more places. Other than that, what else do you think should be said about the default sentinel? Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 22 22:39:35 2015 Received: (at 22220) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2015 03:39:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60309 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aBaH0-0004AZ-OV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 22:39:34 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56992) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aBaGz-0004AM-39 for 22220@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 22:39:33 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aBaGq-0001y0-Tx for 22220@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 22:39:28 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42351) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aBaGq-0001xk-JU; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 22:39:24 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1979 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aBaGp-0006my-Vr; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 22:39:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 05:40:00 +0200 Message-Id: <83r3idq1db.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ram Bhamidipaty In-reply-to: (message from Ram Bhamidipaty on Tue, 22 Dec 2015 23:25:28 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel References: <837fk6queu.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22220 Cc: 22220@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Ram Bhamidipaty > CC: "22220@debbugs.gnu.org" <22220@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 23:25:28 +0000 > > It would be nice if the default process sentinel were explicitly documented - at least the name and formal description. The description is what I cited from the manual; there's nothing else to be said about that, because that's all that the default sentinel does. As for the name, why is that important? You can always get it installed for the process using nil as the argument to set-process-sentinel, and the implementation is in C, so how would the name help? 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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fe6sm53955468pab.40.2015.12.23.09.34.11 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:34:11 -0800 (PST) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id EA8D711AC3825; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:34:10 -0800 (PST) To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel In-Reply-To: <83r3idq1db.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 23 Dec 2015 05:40:00 +0200") Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:34:09 -0800 Message-ID: References: <837fk6queu.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3idq1db.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22220 Cc: 22220@debbugs.gnu.org, Ram Bhamidipaty X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> It would be nice if the default process sentinel were explicitly documented >> - at least the name and formal description. > As for the name, why is that important? You can always get it installed for > the process using nil as the argument to set-process-sentinel, and the > implementation is in C, so how would the name help? I must admit to a similar confusion. Aside from the fact that more could be said: does more need to be said? -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 23 12:45:32 2015 Received: (at 22220) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2015 17:45:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32935 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aBnTg-0000DF-1n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 12:45:32 -0500 Received: from mail-bn1bon0060.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([157.56.111.60]:7649 helo=na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aBnTe-0000D0-Rn for 22220@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 12:45:31 -0500 Received: from BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.163.118.24) by BLUPR0101MB1475.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.163.118.149) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.361.13; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:45:23 +0000 Received: from BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.163.118.24) by BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.163.118.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.361.13; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:45:22 +0000 Received: from BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.163.118.24]) by BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.163.118.24]) with mapi id 15.01.0361.006; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:45:22 +0000 From: Ram Bhamidipaty To: John Wiegley , Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel Thread-Topic: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel Thread-Index: AdE8Vt0yhgfex/qTQOqx6UdhV2nl8QAhQ69VAAzqu6AACP4syAAdJWdQAAAGu4A= Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:45:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: <837fk6queu.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3idq1db.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=rbhamidipaty@roku.com; x-originating-ip: [216.38.147.4] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; BLUPR0101MB1553; 5:mBaD1Nfia9h6E7hTgDP8HZG2ib5QaXJoX3C9Lc+J0IKaTZbWY3ivZnK8rcQFkXtXJFlOam9F3RQNAusZamN1Ofs/Edy2w+CXkEvZkXqaNJGCSlyjXUOgK9wXAOZ2QNFYnSlyFGiQo1QSC1MtVMc9wA==; 24:qClOSynDW6/9r/D7J9eEe66Wjp61XYeLnQoiiPW3U+n4W14iivt3UM8BuW+8xTIg6gyagHctlIdmJxBnNvzbCjGBSjS/diW7aV4jIZ6/agY= x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BLUPR0101MB1553; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:(169088704739312); x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2401047)(5005006)(520078)(8121501046)(10201501046)(3002001); SRVR:BLUPR0101MB1553; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BLUPR0101MB1553; x-forefront-prvs: 0799B1B2D7 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(6009001)(377454003)(189002)(199003)(13464003)(15975445007)(6116002)(16601075003)(92566002)(2900100001)(3846002)(77096005)(11100500001)(586003)(2950100001)(101416001)(5004730100002)(102836003)(87936001)(5002640100001)(5003600100002)(66066001)(1096002)(1220700001)(33656002)(19580405001)(19580395003)(40100003)(10400500002)(74316001)(122556002)(93886004)(54356999)(97736004)(5008740100001)(50986999)(76176999)(5001770100001)(81156007)(106356001)(86362001)(5001960100002)(105586002)(189998001)(21314002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR0101MB1553; H:BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: roku.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 23 Dec 2015 17:45:22.0316 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 00fc7e42-ad65-4c4c-ab54-848ba124a5b7 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BLUPR0101MB1553 X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: 1; BLUPR0101MB1475; 2:w04jbvGecHBrMJKZH0OyZFFAGox5t6rQGXje56NFRF4gzD8yWrwvzBLUqksOsIqo3IAcaxOhTdYmKBZMoP9XQgcpr1U4KuTk9Sncr2o0P5RJuZ14ptixpoMI/rmcT4/jMNSPd7yBDZDMgzGt0d6Y4g==; 23:F45ZW9YTuJrbGZR4QNPI+bLoXW9Dt83xfyrTWlpsfVD0Bh1z87dZHYUmkbl+Pjzov/dpvX1Yu6w1MOvV9bA7p8tayciyleGbLJZ4xRl+oUuGNHe8dkDi72pQRv0aX1jtLnLXAPbsnFNd1JsqjCo2iYcftnnvHAMMnaBSpdvLw4hQzGNx36WtdFq0lo2x8Khc X-OriginatorOrg: roku.com X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22220 Cc: "22220@debbugs.gnu.org" <22220@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) This is what I ran into: I am working on some code using the emacs process = facility. And I started seeing messages (from the default sentinel) that I = did not expect. When I _skimmed_ through the sentinel section I did not not= ice that a default sentinel is added to all processes. I acknowledge that s= kimming the docs was not the right thing to do - since I missed the fact th= at there is a default sentinel. >From my point of view - I would have been nice - if the default sentinel in= fo were a bit more prominent. So - I proposed that the name and behavior of the default sentinel be docum= ented. It might not be needed - in the sense that the name itself is not re= quired - but if there were a block of text in the info section like "-- Fun= ction: xxx default-sentinel" that would be more prominent - and probably ha= rder to miss. -Ram -----Original Message----- From: John Wiegley [mailto:jwiegley@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 9:34 AM To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Ram Bhamidipaty ; 22220@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> It would be nice if the default process sentinel were explicitly documen= ted >> - at least the name and formal description. > As for the name, why is that important? You can always get it installed f= or > the process using nil as the argument to set-process-sentinel, and the > implementation is in C, so how would the name help? I must admit to a similar confusion. Aside from the fact that more could be said: does more need to be said? --=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 23 12:54:20 2015 Received: (at 22220) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2015 17:54:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32939 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aBncB-0000Pd-V1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 12:54:20 -0500 Received: from mail-bn1bon0081.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([157.56.111.81]:7340 helo=na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aBncA-0000PS-R6 for 22220@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 12:54:19 -0500 Received: from BLUPR0101MB1555.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.163.118.26) by BLUPR0101MB1428.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.163.118.139) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.361.13; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:54:12 +0000 Received: from BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.163.118.24) by BLUPR0101MB1555.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.163.118.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.361.13; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:54:12 +0000 Received: from BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.163.118.24]) by BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.163.118.24]) with mapi id 15.01.0361.006; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:54:12 +0000 From: Ram Bhamidipaty To: John Wiegley , Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel Thread-Topic: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel Thread-Index: AdE8Vt0yhgfex/qTQOqx6UdhV2nl8QAhQ69VAAzqu6AACP4syAAdJWdQAABwQiA= Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:54:12 +0000 Message-ID: References: <837fk6queu.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3idq1db.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=rbhamidipaty@roku.com; x-originating-ip: [216.38.147.4] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; BLUPR0101MB1555; 5:97VWh9WJ2hjkr4UG3FIyXiP5WNvQZ7en9hYk1UEj/LFQqOcjNH+QH+XxKsuRmi+9/EdQ2k4xGpJ7lJTIsNfZyuFwwt+mh3TekG+83OMgsZAPYzVvTRsVZJM+TpY3eSgQHqp9dLGu7Y6nxF8OJQAWAQ==; 24:EFOz2FCYn572LSGL/qUsqZJ9U5ixLOJMK3lcelKoT99baYhreGrqYj2k316dNU5mI8liQb2/Zwz0ltWqueerldiveJ1vvh6cDyJNPSX1kc8= x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BLUPR0101MB1555; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:(169088704739312); x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2401047)(5005006)(520078)(8121501046)(10201501046)(3002001); SRVR:BLUPR0101MB1555; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BLUPR0101MB1555; x-forefront-prvs: 0799B1B2D7 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(6009001)(13464003)(199003)(189002)(377454003)(5008740100001)(11100500001)(2900100001)(16601075003)(1096002)(2950100001)(5004730100002)(15975445007)(92566002)(105586002)(106356001)(10400500002)(40100003)(586003)(3846002)(102836003)(122556002)(77096005)(6116002)(1220700001)(97736004)(5001770100001)(5001960100002)(19580395003)(81156007)(189998001)(19580405001)(86362001)(93886004)(50986999)(87936001)(74316001)(54356999)(5003600100002)(76176999)(66066001)(101416001)(5002640100001)(33656002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR0101MB1555; H:BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: roku.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 23 Dec 2015 17:54:12.5102 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 00fc7e42-ad65-4c4c-ab54-848ba124a5b7 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BLUPR0101MB1555 X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: 1; BLUPR0101MB1428; 2:82RI2Yywh5zYdGU2sdq7cxdwBrKOJvCFqn2psz0TfSszfB8hrJEOrdMQeXf+xl+I0AJirM4ABoWLaj59Mtr+Meyl5YW5wRFtu9+gbGIj0PP4oCDyJAgrNK9lpsKBGkpQKU5kHJE4rc4OvdZzA4RZgw==; 23:3FaCqu4KZeevUiUNkb9w/aVqf3xWcmWp6QNhwUTG7Zc4n4Cy3DTL0spnNmZ6Pe8CeuwlkhAr07K5/Wf/+KM5f55HS8+zd/G9+IdFTgoqsaUdnMti7/NhRpa1khgiKvkG3sQ8pX4BdyNvWIlvVrbBusihqbC10TKj3SZIIeEmJklyE1ioUBFfuzliBRj3R63F X-OriginatorOrg: roku.com X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22220 Cc: "22220@debbugs.gnu.org" <22220@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) There is also a slight problem with the set-process-sentinel docs - there r= eally isn't anything that says a process starts with a default sentinel - e= ven if the set-process-sentinel function is not called. The current docs set-process-sentinel docs just say what happens if the sen= tinel argument is nil. Careful reading certainly implies that the default s= entinel will be given to a process - but surely this kind of information ca= n be more explicit. -Ram -----Original Message----- From: John Wiegley [mailto:jwiegley@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 9:34 AM To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Ram Bhamidipaty ; 22220@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> It would be nice if the default process sentinel were explicitly documen= ted >> - at least the name and formal description. > As for the name, why is that important? You can always get it installed f= or > the process using nil as the argument to set-process-sentinel, and the > implementation is in C, so how would the name help? I must admit to a similar confusion. Aside from the fact that more could be said: does more need to be said? --=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 23 12:56:35 2015 Received: (at 22220) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2015 17:56:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32943 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aBneN-0000St-CR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 12:56:35 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55419) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aBneL-0000Sh-W6 for 22220@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 12:56:34 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aBneC-0004zL-0a for 22220@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 12:56:28 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59384) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aBneB-0004zH-T9; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 12:56:23 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2314 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aBneA-0008Le-LI; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 12:56:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 19:56:59 +0200 Message-Id: <834mf9oxp0.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ram Bhamidipaty In-reply-to: (message from Ram Bhamidipaty on Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:45:22 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel References: <837fk6queu.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3idq1db.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22220 Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, 22220@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Ram Bhamidipaty > CC: "22220@debbugs.gnu.org" <22220@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:45:22 +0000 > > This is what I ran into: I am working on some code using the emacs process facility. And I started seeing messages (from the default sentinel) that I did not expect. When I _skimmed_ through the sentinel section I did not notice that a default sentinel is added to all processes. I acknowledge that skimming the docs was not the right thing to do - since I missed the fact that there is a default sentinel. OK, I already have a patch that will mention the default sentinel in a few more places, and I think it will fit that bill. I will commit it soon. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 23 13:05:24 2015 Received: (at 22220) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2015 18:05:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32947 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aBnmu-0000gH-8F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 13:05:24 -0500 Received: from mail-by2on0091.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([207.46.100.91]:46744 helo=na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aBnms-0000g4-Ld for 22220@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 13:05:23 -0500 Received: from BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.163.118.24) by BLUPR0101MB1556.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.163.118.27) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.361.13; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 18:05:14 +0000 Received: from BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.163.118.24]) by BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.163.118.24]) with mapi id 15.01.0361.006; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 18:05:16 +0000 From: Ram Bhamidipaty To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel Thread-Topic: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel Thread-Index: AdE8Vt0yhgfex/qTQOqx6UdhV2nl8QAhQ69VAAzqu6AACP4syAAdJWdQAAAGu4AAAMMjLgAASVtQ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 18:05:15 +0000 Message-ID: References: <837fk6queu.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3idq1db.fsf@gnu.org> <834mf9oxp0.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <834mf9oxp0.fsf@gnu.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=rbhamidipaty@roku.com; x-originating-ip: [216.38.147.4] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; BLUPR0101MB1556; 5:CubCa/eD6O+9Aep7PrwlzLkcusEdaunMCrJ+lrYRK7Y0IsTzgXbg0t3B7AnjxqOSV+QJ0nxTKL+RqfA/nISv3D8kmt4J0ewMFRdNk1m2WOCmCCpxLcIJ0VjAEhj7xSUrFe0VYVd2vG9o/NMtUWytDg==; 24:RFy/MV4HzTxX/tvT9C2bx4Tbz1pJrhcj16atYTstFS50GPJmX+3jmIXVx/ABmbf5fiCY55ftK2D/Ic+M9pY/kz1d9juuvrlwPGAGnui01Ao= x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BLUPR0101MB1556; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:(169088704739312); x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2401047)(5005006)(520078)(8121501046)(10201501046)(3002001); SRVR:BLUPR0101MB1556; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BLUPR0101MB1556; x-forefront-prvs: 0799B1B2D7 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(6009001)(13464003)(377454003)(189002)(199003)(77096005)(54356999)(66066001)(74316001)(50986999)(5008740100001)(2950100001)(19580395003)(19580405001)(101416001)(33656002)(76176999)(97736004)(86362001)(81156007)(2900100001)(10400500002)(5004730100002)(93886004)(5003600100002)(586003)(6116002)(3846002)(102836003)(1096002)(189998001)(110136002)(105586002)(106356001)(5002640100001)(5001960100002)(92566002)(122556002)(40100003)(87936001)(1220700001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR0101MB1556; H:BLUPR0101MB1553.prod.exchangelabs.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: roku.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: roku.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 23 Dec 2015 18:05:15.7490 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 00fc7e42-ad65-4c4c-ab54-848ba124a5b7 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BLUPR0101MB1556 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22220 Cc: "jwiegley@gmail.com" , "22220@debbugs.gnu.org" <22220@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) :-) Thank you! -Ram -----Original Message----- From: Eli Zaretskii [mailto:eliz@gnu.org]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 9:57 AM To: Ram Bhamidipaty Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com; 22220@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel > From: Ram Bhamidipaty > CC: "22220@debbugs.gnu.org" <22220@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:45:22 +0000 >=20 > This is what I ran into: I am working on some code using the emacs proces= s facility. And I started seeing messages (from the default sentinel) that = I did not expect. When I _skimmed_ through the sentinel section I did not n= otice that a default sentinel is added to all processes. I acknowledge that= skimming the docs was not the right thing to do - since I missed the fact = that there is a default sentinel. OK, I already have a patch that will mention the default sentinel in a few more places, and I think it will fit that bill. I will commit it soon. Thanks. 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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v17sm29041121pfi.17.2015.12.23.10.15.56 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 23 Dec 2015 10:15:56 -0800 (PST) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6230111AC647E; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 10:15:55 -0800 (PST) To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel In-Reply-To: <834mf9oxp0.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 23 Dec 2015 19:56:59 +0200") Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 10:15:49 -0800 Message-ID: References: <837fk6queu.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3idq1db.fsf@gnu.org> <834mf9oxp0.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22220 Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, 22220@debbugs.gnu.org, Ram Bhamidipaty X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > OK, I already have a patch that will mention the default sentinel in a few > more places, and I think it will fit that bill. I will commit it soon. Thank you, Eli! -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 23 13:20:33 2015 Received: (at 22220-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2015 18:20:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32970 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aBo1Z-00012h-5N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 13:20:33 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34439) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aBo1X-00012U-Ka for 22220-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 13:20:31 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aBo1P-0003Gu-C8 for 22220-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 13:20:26 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59800) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aBo1P-0003Gq-8z; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 13:20:23 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2364 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aBo1O-0007Cm-GC; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 13:20:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 20:20:59 +0200 Message-Id: <83zix1ni0k.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ram Bhamidipaty In-reply-to: (message from Ram Bhamidipaty on Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:54:12 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#22220: 24.5; no documentation for default process sentinel References: <837fk6queu.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3idq1db.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22220-done Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, 22220-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Ram Bhamidipaty > CC: "22220@debbugs.gnu.org" <22220@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:54:12 +0000 > > There is also a slight problem with the set-process-sentinel docs - there really isn't anything that says a process starts with a default sentinel - even if the set-process-sentinel function is not called. It's okay: the change I've just committed adds that as well. > The current docs set-process-sentinel docs just say what happens if the sentinel argument is nil. Careful reading certainly implies that the default sentinel will be given to a process - but surely this kind of information can be more explicit. It is now. From unknown Tue Aug 19 05:09:39 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator