From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 18 13:25:42 2015 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Dec 2015 18:25:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55945 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1a9zio-0004s9-F0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:25:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43386) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1a9zil-0004rw-Ra for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:25:40 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a9zif-0007qX-Az for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:25:34 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:48351) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a9zif-0007qS-6Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:25:33 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34345) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a9zid-0000wj-Oh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:25:33 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a9zia-0007pt-BX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:25:31 -0500 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:48621) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a9ziZ-0007pp-Q1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:25:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738911601E7 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:25:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id OGBKPTJcVg5c for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6D7160D6A for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:25:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id ePKWcdbxBDHs for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from penguin.cs.ucla.edu (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 70B201601EC for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:25:25 -0800 (PST) To: Emacs bug reports From: Paul Eggert Subject: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:25:25 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060909000109040307010305" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060909000109040307010305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I use emacs-25 to view the Elisp manual on Fedora 23 x86-64, Emacs=20 mishandles the font for code: code is displayed in a considerably=20 smaller font, making the manual harder to read and looking a bit like a=20 ransom note. A sample is attached. I am using 'emacs -Q' to read the=20 info file. If I view the same (i.e., the emacs-25) info file with Emacs=20 24.5 as bundled with Fedora, the display looks fine, with the same=20 fixed-width font used for all text. In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.8 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.18.6) of 2015-12-17 Repository revision: 1b5630eb47d3f4bade09708c958ab006b83b3fc0 Windowing system distributor 'Fedora Project', version 11.0.11800000 Configured using: 'configure --enable-gcc-warnings' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG IMAGEMAGICK SOUND GPM DBUS GCONF GSETTINGS NOTIFY ACL LIBSELINUX GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE M17N_FLT LIBOTF XFT ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11 Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=3Dibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Info Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent messages: Checking 24 files in /home/eggert/src/gnu/emacs/my/lisp/cedet... Checking 57 files in /home/eggert/src/gnu/emacs/my/lisp/calendar... Checking 87 files in /home/eggert/src/gnu/emacs/my/lisp/calc... Checking 122 files in /home/eggert/src/gnu/emacs/my/lisp/obsolete... Checking for load-path shadows...done You can run the command =E2=80=98report-emacs-bug=E2=80=99 with M-x r-em = RET Checking for load-path shadows...done Auto-saving...done Quit [3 times] C-M-g is undefined Load-path shadows: None found. 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score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:46981) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aA0Dh-0007VO-14; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:57:37 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aA0Dg-0005c4-8R; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:57:36 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Paul Eggert Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> X-Spook: FEMA Uzbekistan Shelter-in-place Treasury mindwar X-Ran: ao@^V;r9.+1x+yfb`~hz?IfBzg-qA"[rMiY[A(~BK9(5Z|+*DGredCGn|!]d-T`8.aS0il X-Hue: cyan X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:57:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:25:25 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Paul Eggert wrote: > When I use emacs-25 to view the Elisp manual on Fedora 23 x86-64, > Emacs mishandles the font for code: code is displayed in a > considerably smaller font, making the manual harder to read and > looking a bit like a ransom note. I guess this is the same issue as http://debbugs.gnu.org/19889 Info-quoted face specifies Courier font. I still don't think it's a good idea. 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18 Dec 2015 19:39:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56005 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aA0sa-0008LC-Q4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 14:39:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33463) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aA0sZ-0008Ky-4N for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 14:39:51 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aA0sO-0000dn-Vg for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 14:39:45 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47638) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aA0sO-0000dZ-SH; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 14:39:40 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2078 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aA0sN-0001sm-WC; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 14:39:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:40:03 +0200 Message-Id: <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:57:36 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris > Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:57:36 -0500 > Cc: 22207@debbugs.gnu.org > > Paul Eggert wrote: > > > When I use emacs-25 to view the Elisp manual on Fedora 23 x86-64, > > Emacs mishandles the font for code: code is displayed in a > > considerably smaller font, making the manual harder to read and > > looking a bit like a ransom note. > > I guess this is the same issue as http://debbugs.gnu.org/19889 > Info-quoted face specifies Courier font. > I still don't think it's a good idea. Yes, this is a deliberate feature. Perhaps we should make it dependent on a defcustom. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 18 14:49:24 2015 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Dec 2015 19:49:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56022 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aA11o-0001mU-C5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 14:49:24 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35895) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aA11n-0001mI-28 for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 14:49:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aA11h-0002yw-Ez for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 14:49:18 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47774) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aA11f-0002ye-Sz; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 14:49:15 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aA11f-00034M-Bh; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 14:49:15 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: Drug trade constitution Baranyi cryptanalysis Wildfire X-Ran: WrsG~[~::7]qLU6p:k.@QU/~ih)#U.OEtD"F(pggZKeIoG{m?htkZ{xCZ]I1ZN&Qz{Ga7G X-Hue: yellow X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 14:49:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:40:03 +0200") Message-ID: <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Info-quoted face specifies Courier font. >> I still don't think it's a good idea. > > Yes, this is a deliberate feature. Perhaps we should make it > dependent on a defcustom. A face is a customizable object. The issue is that the default is bad. Emacs wants a monospace/typewriter style font. "Sans mono" may be a better default, but I'm sure that will be wrong sometimes too. Can Emacs do the equivalent of fc-match "Monospace" ? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 18 15:32:22 2015 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Dec 2015 20:32:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56052 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aA1hO-0002no-Ns for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 15:32:22 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47236) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aA1hM-0002nY-IA for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 15:32:20 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aA1hD-0005Mo-4P for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 15:32:15 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48649) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aA1hD-0005Mk-1O; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 15:32:11 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2087 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aA1hC-0003tS-4f; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 15:32:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 22:32:34 +0200 Message-Id: <837fkbwl99.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Fri, 18 Dec 2015 14:49:15 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 14:49:15 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> Info-quoted face specifies Courier font. > >> I still don't think it's a good idea. > > > > Yes, this is a deliberate feature. Perhaps we should make it > > dependent on a defcustom. > > A face is a customizable object. How many Emacs users will know what change to make in a face to have @code{} display like the normal text? What I had in mind was a binary option telling Emacs whether to use a distinct face for @code. I think this is way easier to customize than a face's font. > Emacs wants a monospace/typewriter style font. > "Sans mono" may be a better default, but I'm sure that will be wrong > sometimes too. Can Emacs do the equivalent of > > fc-match "Monospace" How will that help? Someone, somewhere will still dislike the result. But yes, Emacs can do this: call x-family-fonts with no arguments, and then filter the returned list to retain only those fonts whose FIXED-P element is t. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 19 09:23:42 2015 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2015 14:23:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56399 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAIQA-0001t8-F4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 09:23:42 -0500 Received: from b2bfep14.mx.upcmail.net ([62.179.121.59]:35658) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAIQ8-0001sv-VL for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 09:23:41 -0500 Received: from edge12.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.82]) by b2bfep14.mx.upcmail.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.18 201-2260-151-151-20140610) with ESMTP id <20151219142335.XZPY6878.b2bfep14-int.chello.at@edge12.upcmail.net> for <22207@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:23:35 +0100 Received: from iznogoud.viz ([91.119.211.78]) by edge12.upcmail.net with edge id vSPY1r02B1i2byK0CSPYAF; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:23:35 +0100 X-SourceIP: 91.119.211.78 Received: from wolfgang by iznogoud.viz with local (Exim 4.86 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1aAIQ0-0000Nl-H3; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:23:32 +0100 From: Wolfgang Jenkner To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:21:10 +0100 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <837fkbwl99.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <85a8p634bf.fsf@iznogoud.viz> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: Glenn Morris , eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On Fri, Dec 18 2015, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> fc-match "Monospace" > > How will that help? Someone, somewhere will still dislike the result. Mono(space) is a fontconfig alias, it's explicitly selected in a configuration file[*] and users are supposed to override it if they don't like it. [*] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/fontconfig/tree/conf.d/60-latin.conf (Often, fonts install their own font config files which override the default configuration). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 19 09:42:30 2015 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2015 14:42:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56403 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAIiM-0002Jj-0G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 09:42:30 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59604) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAIiK-0002JV-8P for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 09:42:28 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAIiB-0000f1-Pj for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 09:42:22 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42107) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAIiB-0000ex-MQ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 09:42:19 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3656 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aAIiA-0006as-Ms; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 09:42:19 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:42:44 +0200 Message-Id: <83io3uv6sb.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Wolfgang Jenkner In-reply-to: <85a8p634bf.fsf@iznogoud.viz> (message from Wolfgang Jenkner on Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:21:10 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <837fkbwl99.fsf@gnu.org> <85a8p634bf.fsf@iznogoud.viz> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Wolfgang Jenkner > Cc: Glenn Morris , eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:21:10 +0100 > > On Fri, Dec 18 2015, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> fc-match "Monospace" > > > > How will that help? Someone, somewhere will still dislike the result. > > Mono(space) is a fontconfig alias, it's explicitly selected in > a configuration file[*] and users are supposed to override it if they don't > like it. That means an even more complex mess: suppose Emacs will use some fixed-pitch font from that alias, and the user doesn't like it -- now the user will have to be familiar not only with font specs for customizing faces, but also with the fontconfig customizations and configuration files. Doesn't strike me as a particularly user-friendly feature. Once again, I suggest a single binary defcustom that could be used to disable use of a special face for code typeface. We could (and probably should) tell in NEWS how to get back the old behavior by customizing that variable. This is by far simpler than silently assuming users will futz with their font setups. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 19 10:32:52 2015 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2015 15:32:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57148 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAJV5-0003eW-Uh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 10:32:52 -0500 Received: from b2bqsv11.mx.upcmail.net ([62.179.121.55]:54156) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAJV4-0003eJ-C1 for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 10:32:51 -0500 Received: from edge12.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.82]) by b2bqsv11.mx.upcmail.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.11 201-2260-151-128-20120928) with ESMTP id <20151219153243.NKNW22374.b2bqsv11-int.chello.at@edge12.upcmail.net> for <22207@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:32:43 +0100 Received: from iznogoud.viz ([91.119.211.78]) by edge12.upcmail.net with edge id vTYi1r01o1i2byK0CTYjhV; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:32:43 +0100 X-SourceIP: 91.119.211.78 Received: from wolfgang by iznogoud.viz with local (Exim 4.86 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1aAJUw-0000QQ-LM; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:32:42 +0100 From: Wolfgang Jenkner To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:28:19 +0100 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <837fkbwl99.fsf@gnu.org> <85a8p634bf.fsf@iznogoud.viz> <83io3uv6sb.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <85zix61mjp.fsf@iznogoud.viz> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On Sat, Dec 19 2015, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> fc-match "Monospace" >> > >> > How will that help? Someone, somewhere will still dislike the result. >> >> Mono(space) is a fontconfig alias, it's explicitly selected in >> a configuration file[*] and users are supposed to override it if they don't >> like it. > > That means an even more complex mess: suppose Emacs will use some > fixed-pitch font from that alias, and the user doesn't like it -- now > the user will have to be familiar not only with font specs for > customizing faces, but also with the fontconfig customizations and > configuration files. Doesn't strike me as a particularly > user-friendly feature. fc-match returns a single match. Also, emacs does know about fontconfig aliases (info "(emacs) Fonts"). The problem is that specifying an alias name as the family attribute doesn't always work as expected (because emacs font selection weighs font attributes in a different way). For example, on my system $ fc-match Serif NotoSerif-Regular.ttf: "Noto Serif" "Regular" $ However, if I customize the Info-quoted face replacing "courier" by "Serif" I get xft:-unknown-Sawasdee-normal-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 Not a big problem, but just to elaborate a bit on Glenn's suggestion. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 19 11:07:41 2015 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2015 16:07:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57152 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAK2n-0004R3-Ma for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 11:07:41 -0500 Received: from b2bfep13.mx.upcmail.net ([62.179.121.58]:39472) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAK2l-0004Qp-Lm for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 11:07:40 -0500 Received: from edge12.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.82]) by b2bfep13.mx.upcmail.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.18 201-2260-151-151-20140610) with ESMTP id <20151219160733.BRZL31131.b2bfep13-int.chello.at@edge12.upcmail.net> for <22207@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:07:33 +0100 Received: from iznogoud.viz ([91.119.211.78]) by edge12.upcmail.net with edge id vU7Z1r0011i2byK0CU7Zlk; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:07:33 +0100 X-SourceIP: 91.119.211.78 Received: from wolfgang by iznogoud.viz with local (Exim 4.86 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1aAK2e-0000RY-TH; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:07:32 +0100 From: Wolfgang Jenkner To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <837fkbwl99.fsf@gnu.org> <85a8p634bf.fsf@iznogoud.viz> <83io3uv6sb.fsf@gnu.org> <85zix61mjp.fsf@iznogoud.viz> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:07:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <85zix61mjp.fsf@iznogoud.viz> (Wolfgang Jenkner's message of "Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:28:19 +0100") Message-ID: <85vb7u1kxn.fsf@iznogoud.viz> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On Sat, Dec 19 2015, Wolfgang Jenkner wrote: > The problem is that specifying an alias > name as the family attribute doesn't always work as expected (because > emacs font selection weighs font attributes in a different way). My parenthetical remark above about font attribute weights may be misleading as I haven't actually investigated the situation. > However, if I customize the Info-quoted face replacing "courier" by > "Serif" I get > xft:-unknown-Sawasdee-normal-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 While specifying "Noto Serif" instead works as expected. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 19 11:56:55 2015 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2015 16:56:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57157 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAKoR-0005X9-Gg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 11:56:55 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55074) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAKoP-0005Ww-Li for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 11:56:54 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAKoH-0003qY-6b for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 11:56:48 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43792) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAKoH-0003qU-3W; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 11:56:45 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3721 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aAKoG-0007CA-8w; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 11:56:44 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:57:10 +0200 Message-Id: <83egeiv0k9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Wolfgang Jenkner In-reply-to: <85zix61mjp.fsf@iznogoud.viz> (message from Wolfgang Jenkner on Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:28:19 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <837fkbwl99.fsf@gnu.org> <85a8p634bf.fsf@iznogoud.viz> <83io3uv6sb.fsf@gnu.org> <85zix61mjp.fsf@iznogoud.viz> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Wolfgang Jenkner > Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:28:19 +0100 > > On Sat, Dec 19 2015, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> >> fc-match "Monospace" > >> > > >> > How will that help? Someone, somewhere will still dislike the result. > >> > >> Mono(space) is a fontconfig alias, it's explicitly selected in > >> a configuration file[*] and users are supposed to override it if they don't > >> like it. > > > > That means an even more complex mess: suppose Emacs will use some > > fixed-pitch font from that alias, and the user doesn't like it -- now > > the user will have to be familiar not only with font specs for > > customizing faces, but also with the fontconfig customizations and > > configuration files. Doesn't strike me as a particularly > > user-friendly feature. > > fc-match returns a single match. You can use the --all switch to countermand that, AFAIK. > Also, emacs does know about fontconfig aliases (info "(emacs) Fonts"). Doesn't this mean that your comments about fontconfig customizations are not relevant to the issue at hand? AFAIU, Glenn mentioned fc-match as a way to explain what he meant, he didn't really mean Emacs to run that command. If Emacs cannot use its output, then its configuration by users will never affect us. And we are back to the original issue: suppose Emacs does run the _equivalent_ of the above (I mentioned one way of doing it in Emacs): is there any doubt that someone somewhere will find the results not to her liking and would like to see the Info-quote face identical to the rest of the text in an Info buffer? If so, then trying to use a fixed-pitch font, even if it's other than Courier, will never succeed to be a "one size fits all" solution. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 19 14:16:30 2015 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2015 19:16:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57204 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAMzW-0001xF-F0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:16:30 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60058) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAMzU-0001x2-3x for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:16:28 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAMzO-0002rt-Db for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:16:23 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47270) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAMzM-0002rf-Al; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:16:20 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aAMzL-00040h-Md; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:16:19 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: Port Authority Pork IDEA Eco terrorism benelux 2600 X-Ran: "2]H`=UU=]nyGtl5?lSVDA*IUd%pgo}43B;spNt~asF?BTJmu!^+he|)md_#j.qeoB-HpL X-Hue: cyan X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:16:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Fri, 18 Dec 2015 14:49:15 -0500") Message-ID: <9yfuyy9rlo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Glenn Morris wrote: > fc-match "Monospace" Actually I see Emacs has a font called fixed-width that does exactly that. So my simple suggestion for fixing this issue: Info-quoted and tex-verbatim face should inherit from fixed-width by default. (The fact that that specification of fixed-width doesn't appear to work on either Debian or Red Hat seems a separate issue! Ie, it gives a face that looks exactly like the default face. "Sans Mono" works for me. Still, I don't recally anyone ever complaining about the fixed-width face.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 19 14:21:17 2015 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2015 19:21:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57208 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAN49-00024E-0m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:21:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60801) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAN47-000241-LG for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:21:16 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAN3z-0004EG-G4 for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:21:10 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47342) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAN3z-0004EB-Cf; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:21:07 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4183 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aAN3y-0004YO-9I; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:21:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:21:32 +0200 Message-Id: <8337uyutvn.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: <9yfuyy9rlo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:16:19 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <9yfuyy9rlo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:16:19 -0500 > > Actually I see Emacs has a font called fixed-width that does exactly that. > So my simple suggestion for fixing this issue: > > Info-quoted and tex-verbatim face should inherit from fixed-width by default. > > (The fact that that specification of fixed-width doesn't appear to work > on either Debian or Red Hat seems a separate issue! Ie, it gives a face > that looks exactly like the default face. Probably because the default font is a fixed-pitch font, no? IOW, wouldn't this be a no-op on all platforms? > "Sans Mono" works for me. Where "works" means what? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 19 14:25:16 2015 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2015 19:25:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57224 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAN80-0002BA-6z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:25:16 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34263) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAN7y-0002Ay-2R for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:25:14 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAN7p-0005Kh-US for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:25:09 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47447) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAN7p-0005Ka-S7; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:25:05 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4186 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aAN7o-00054q-C4; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:25:04 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:25:30 +0200 Message-Id: <831taiutp1.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rgm@gnu.org In-reply-to: <8337uyutvn.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:21:32 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <9yfuyy9rlo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8337uyutvn.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:21:32 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org > > > From: Glenn Morris > > Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:16:19 -0500 > > > > Actually I see Emacs has a font called fixed-width that does exactly that. Do you mean the fixed-pitch _face_? I don't think I see the fixed-width font. > > So my simple suggestion for fixing this issue: > > > > Info-quoted and tex-verbatim face should inherit from fixed-width by default. Here you mean a face, not a font, and again I don't see any face named fixed-width. What am I missing? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 19 14:31:25 2015 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2015 19:31:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57228 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aANDw-0002Kw-S0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:31:24 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36054) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aANDu-0002Kf-Sv for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:31:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aANDo-00073T-Ru for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:31:17 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47598) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aANDn-00073G-FF; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:31:15 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aANDm-0007LM-S9; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:31:14 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <9yfuyy9rlo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8337uyutvn.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: Downing Street Abu Ghraib Metro Cocaine mindwar AK-47 SHA X-Ran: UKj3X$)D&Ee*f6xk5??+X&KzasjFpL?|Mj5;DblTB}=PWidk4oVK3i2Q@kep+Y:KNheDSH X-Hue: yellow X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:31:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: <8337uyutvn.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:21:32 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) (Typo, I meant "fixed-pitch".) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Probably because the default font is a fixed-pitch font, no? IOW, > wouldn't this be a no-op on all platforms? Durh, probably, yes. Silly me. >> "Sans Mono" works for me. > > Where "works" means what? Gives a face that looks different from the default in "the right way" for a "typewriter" face. The default face is "DejaVu Sans Mono", "Sans Mono" selects "Latin Modern Mono". This all sounds like a massive fluke now that I look at the details. Anyway, as Stefan suggested, there should be some single face that Info-quoted and tex-verbatim inherit from. What the defaults of that face should be are another issue. Inherit from string face? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 19 14:51:18 2015 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2015 19:51:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57242 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aANXC-0002oP-0d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:51:18 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39844) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aANXA-0002oD-3r for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:51:16 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aANWz-0002nm-Tq for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:51:10 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48083) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aANWz-0002ni-Qh; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:51:05 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4204 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aANWy-0001qv-TH; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:51:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:51:30 +0200 Message-Id: <83y4cqtdx9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:31:14 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <9yfuyy9rlo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8337uyutvn.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:31:14 -0500 > > > (Typo, I meant "fixed-pitch".) OK, in that case, this face is not like the default one on my system. Its only attribute that is not "unspecified" is the "font family", which is "Monospace". I think this is what you wanted. The Info-quoted face has its font family set to "courier", but at least here it uses exactly the same font as fixed-pitch. So I'm unsure how using fixed-pitch or inheriting from it would solve the problem. It is slightly cleaner, in that there's a single parent face, but I guess Paul will still be unhappy with the results. > Gives a face that looks different from the default in "the right way" > for a "typewriter" face. The default face is "DejaVu Sans Mono", > "Sans Mono" selects "Latin Modern Mono". This all sounds like a massive > fluke now that I look at the details. So on some systems the fixed-pitch face will be nicer than the current Info-quoted, on others it will be the same, and perhaps on still others it will be uglier. > Inherit from string face? You mean, font-lock-string-face? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 19 22:41:05 2015 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Dec 2015 03:41:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57348 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAUrp-0004u6-NA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 22:41:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60036) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAUro-0004tX-7D for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 22:41:04 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAUri-0003HW-Gp for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 22:40:59 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57641) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAUrh-0003H0-9N; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 22:40:57 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aAUrg-00050P-GW; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 22:40:56 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <9yfuyy9rlo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8337uyutvn.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4cqtdx9.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: Stuck MIT-LL Islamist warfare Air Marshal Avian S Box X-Ran: ]Md{SP$,mY9sF7QYOHW,c6~#t/1P`L/1KKu\-COwlSw|tyT-iCCok][?WP-AV.Ny*m&\0r X-Hue: magenta X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 22:40:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83y4cqtdx9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:51:30 +0200") Message-ID: <8j37uxss6v.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Inherit from string face? > > You mean, font-lock-string-face? Yes. Anyway, I think I am just muddying the waters, so will shut up. See the merged bug for Stefan's ideas. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 20 10:43:58 2015 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Dec 2015 15:43:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58161 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAg9N-0006Q6-VS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 10:43:58 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34002) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAg9M-0006Pt-0e for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 10:43:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAg9D-0003mk-MX for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 10:43:50 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40425) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAg9D-0003me-JC; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 10:43:47 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4397 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aAg9C-0004l2-O6; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 10:43:47 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 17:44:15 +0200 Message-Id: <83twndt99s.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: <8j37uxss6v.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Sat, 19 Dec 2015 22:40:56 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <9yfuyy9rlo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8337uyutvn.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4cqtdx9.fsf@gnu.org> <8j37uxss6v.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 22:40:56 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> Inherit from string face? > > > > You mean, font-lock-string-face? > > Yes. > Anyway, I think I am just muddying the waters, so will shut up. > See the merged bug for Stefan's ideas. Let's start with fixed-pitch -- Paul, does that display OK on that Fedora 23 system? Glenn, does that display differently from the default font on yours? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 20 16:14:44 2015 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Dec 2015 21:14:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58237 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAlJU-0005gI-AY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:14:44 -0500 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:49735) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aAlJS-0005g6-Ft for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:14:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5A9160017; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 13:14:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id t5yTStVRtB9k; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 13:14:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140BE160193; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 13:14:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id XJz0veo74HmX; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 13:14:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D6DBB160017; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 13:14:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 To: Eli Zaretskii , Glenn Morris References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <9yfuyy9rlo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8337uyutvn.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4cqtdx9.fsf@gnu.org> <8j37uxss6v.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83twndt99s.fsf@gnu.org> From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <56771A3B.7050309@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 13:14:35 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83twndt99s.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Let's start with fixed-pitch -- Paul, does that display OK on that > Fedora 23 system? Sorry, I don't know what you're asking me to try here. Can you give me some Elisp code to evaluate? I can try it the next time I'm at my Fedora 23 workstation. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 21 11:18:25 2015 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Dec 2015 16:18:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59029 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aB3AH-0002TD-8U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:18:25 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45276) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aB3AF-0002T0-Jw for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:18:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aB3A7-0001di-3a for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:18:18 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36855) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aB3A7-0001dd-04; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:18:15 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4975 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aB3A6-0005Ke-4C; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:18:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:18:46 +0200 Message-Id: <83d1tzsrkp.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Paul Eggert In-reply-to: <56771A3B.7050309@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Sun, 20 Dec 2015 13:14:35 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <9yfuyy9rlo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8337uyutvn.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4cqtdx9.fsf@gnu.org> <8j37uxss6v.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83twndt99s.fsf@gnu.org> <56771A3B.7050309@cs.ucla.edu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Cc: 22207@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 13:14:35 -0800 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Let's start with fixed-pitch -- Paul, does that display OK on that > > Fedora 23 system? > > Sorry, I don't know what you're asking me to try here. Can you give me some > Elisp code to evaluate? I can try it the next time I'm at my Fedora 23 workstation. In "emacs -Q", evaluate this in *scratch* (before loading Info): (defface Info-quoted '((t :family "Monospace")) "Face used for quoted elements.") then type "C-u C-h i" to read some manual where you previously didn't like how code text looks, and see if it now looks better. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 12 20:29:16 2016 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2016 01:29:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38374 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aUP1Q-0006ND-Dt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 20:29:16 -0500 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:58985) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aUP1O-0006N1-FY for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 20:29:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F8D160D4E; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id w7Mc1OKgkw2H; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C389160FD0; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:29:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id kO94y_Ppvkmk; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from penguin.cs.ucla.edu (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 20693160D4E; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:29:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 To: Eli Zaretskii References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <9yfuyy9rlo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8337uyutvn.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4cqtdx9.fsf@gnu.org> <8j37uxss6v.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83twndt99s.fsf@gnu.org> <56771A3B.7050309@cs.ucla.edu> <83d1tzsrkp.fsf@gnu.org> From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <56BE86E3.6000905@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:29:07 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83d1tzsrkp.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020106020804040500000804" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020106020804040500000804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Following up on an old bug report that I mislaid]: On 12/21/2015 08:18 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > In "emacs -Q", evaluate this in*scratch* (before loading Info): > > (defface Info-quoted > '((t :family "Monospace")) > "Face used for quoted elements.") > > then type "C-u C-h i" to read some manual where you previously didn't > like how code text looks, and see if it now looks better. It looks different, but still not good. Now, the code text looks exactly like the non-code text, which is less informative. 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score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52085) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUVxK-0007IH-SM; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 03:53:30 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3600 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aUVxJ-0004Cg-UW; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 03:53:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:53:30 +0200 Message-Id: <8337sx6lf9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Paul Eggert In-reply-to: <56BE86E3.6000905@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:29:07 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <9yfuyy9rlo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8337uyutvn.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4cqtdx9.fsf@gnu.org> <8j37uxss6v.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83twndt99s.fsf@gnu.org> <56771A3B.7050309@cs.ucla.edu> <83d1tzsrkp.fsf@gnu.org> <56BE86E3.6000905@cs.ucla.edu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) > Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:29:07 -0800 > > On 12/21/2015 08:18 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > In "emacs -Q", evaluate this in*scratch* (before loading Info): > > > > (defface Info-quoted > > '((t :family "Monospace")) > > "Face used for quoted elements.") > > > > then type "C-u C-h i" to read some manual where you previously didn't > > like how code text looks, and see if it now looks better. > > It looks different, but still not good. Now, the code text looks exactly > like the non-code text, which is less informative. I'm attaching a > screenshot of the same text as before. But if your default font is already monospaced, what would you expect from Info-quoted face to produce? I thought the result which you describe is exactly what was wanted in this case. IIRC, we had that before the change that introduced this face. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 13 13:33:41 2016 Received: (at 22207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2016 18:33:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38302 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aUf0m-00013g-VF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:33:41 -0500 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:52691) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aUf0l-00013T-GW for 22207@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:33:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58CB2160504; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 7Ce5P1RFkUeC; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CE9160FC1; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:33:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id GkyK8smOtV6j; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 510B3160504; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:33:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 To: Eli Zaretskii References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <83a8p7wnos.fsf@gnu.org> <2psi2zh70k.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <9yfuyy9rlo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8337uyutvn.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4cqtdx9.fsf@gnu.org> <8j37uxss6v.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83twndt99s.fsf@gnu.org> <56771A3B.7050309@cs.ucla.edu> <83d1tzsrkp.fsf@gnu.org> <56BE86E3.6000905@cs.ucla.edu> <8337sx6lf9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <56BF76FC.9070102@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:33:32 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8337sx6lf9.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 22207@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > if your default font is already monospaced, what would you expect > from Info-quoted face to produce? I thought the result which you > describe is exactly what was wanted in this case. IIRC, we had that > before the change that introduced this face. Sorry, you're right; I forgot about the old behavior. Ideally code would be in a different monospaced font, one that is readable. Perhaps a bolder font, say. So the change was an improvement in that it uses a different monospaced font, but it's a disimprovement in that the different font is irritatingly small. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 05 16:49:02 2016 Received: (at 22207-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2016 20:49:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40638 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ayQCk-0007CV-Il for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 16:49:02 -0400 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:54063) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ayQCf-0007Bt-Dy for 22207-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 16:49:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8203E160633 for <22207-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 5 May 2016 13:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id Z3jgI5cUrGBC for <22207-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 5 May 2016 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E80160D69 for <22207-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 5 May 2016 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id ud8xJvl_6OvN for <22207-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 5 May 2016 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from penguin.cs.ucla.edu (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A0BE9160633 for <22207-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 5 May 2016 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT) To: 22207-done@debbugs.gnu.org From: Paul Eggert Subject: Re: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <951925e4-e3ed-0367-721a-7241546f4013@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 13:48:50 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6F3883403B7DF8CF3652AC13" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6F3883403B7DF8CF3652AC13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just now attempted to reproduce this bug on emacs-25, and could not reproduce it; the display looks OK (see attached). Although I am still running Fedora 23 x86-64, I have installed several packages since the original bug report in December so it's possible that the problem has gone away because some new fonts have been installed. Another possibility is that the bug has been fixed in draft Emacs 25 somehow. 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([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53102) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayQpr-0005dN-Lg; Thu, 05 May 2016 17:29:27 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ayQpk-0008Oj-RF; Thu, 05 May 2016 17:29:20 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 22207@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#22207: emacs-25 mishandles info code text on Fedora 23 References: <56744F95.20307@cs.ucla.edu> <951925e4-e3ed-0367-721a-7241546f4013@cs.ucla.edu> X-Spook: Operation Iraqi Freedom Craig Livingstone virus NWO X-Ran: lbS'VrhDs5x!/2l!&(%^X&po!$1=Xi43cY2OlgMwK+01?2Hu(YJngG;-0,eIH5V^rg'94G X-Hue: green X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 05 May 2016 17:29:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: <951925e4-e3ed-0367-721a-7241546f4013@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Thu, 5 May 2016 13:48:50 -0700") Message-ID: <3u37pwfb2n.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -7.1 (-------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22207 Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -7.1 (-------) Paul Eggert wrote: > I just now attempted to reproduce this bug on emacs-25, and could not > reproduce it; the display looks OK (see attached). Although I am still > running Fedora 23 x86-64, I have installed several packages since the > original bug report in December so it's possible that the problem has > gone away because some new fonts have been installed. Another > possibility is that the bug has been fixed in draft Emacs 25 somehow. > Either way, I will close this particular bug report now as I can't > reproduce it. Nothing's changed in Emacs, and Info-quoted and tex-verbatim faces continue to look poor on RHEL 7, so I unmerged and reopened my own #19889. From unknown Thu Aug 14 22:18:29 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2016 11:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator