From unknown Mon Aug 18 02:31:23 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#21959 <21959@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#21959 <21959@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: [25.1.50.1] No way to save customization from emacs -Q Reply-To: bug#21959 <21959@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 09:31:23 +0000 retitle 21959 [25.1.50.1] No way to save customization from emacs -Q reassign 21959 emacs submitter 21959 Andreas R=C3=B6hler severity 21959 wishlist tag 21959 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 19 07:26:45 2015 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Nov 2015 12:26:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44287 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzOIW-0002et-MN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:26:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60596) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzOIR-0002ei-9d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:26:39 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzOIP-0001a0-Oc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:26:38 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:57015) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzOIP-0001Zu-Lq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:26:37 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42346) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzOIL-0004Ah-5s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:26:37 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzOIH-0001Y8-5t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:26:33 -0500 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.133]:58433) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzOIG-0001Y0-Ss for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:26:29 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.31] ([95.119.226.40]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LhGKW-1alb8M3IZ6-00mZgA for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:26:26 +0100 Message-ID: <564DC031.4020104@easy-emacs.de> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:27:29 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: [25.1.50.1] No way to save customization from emacs -Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:671RhrfWsApayaYcmu/B9075MFDLVR9lEbd6v5wWM9/LcaVhKmK oXJdg9pzgbOyKP3TVrnHr4xBy/vxD+jSn/kZQdwrFq4N2TO86Xbm4pe35vbWGOCH5h0Ic3I gMCADNcvCO0u1B/TSqFzsgRvVso+nWwseeHwrIn/GEdZeBYM22niFfax9hbWU/2lerkSAlR 89tHrHKJ0arWhEF01pX0w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:QL9llHYTWKo=:QCfHJB2nTqVnmg3CM2KdY2 v9VQVsR/Dz24PptMBgBpOjbV9UBlf0hGbdvtoZC77un4TrCAr9QU18pWdOtIU3E3yUWMZS0HN YkNmRRLHCEmH8BQVG/3mD8b6uHDEcYLMWYiO1FgKXTX0/I+pTCdgu7ktJ1rTyqL7G2Z4sx+if +6xUQRZ1d2XWlQi9eRGgbOzHh3zoBliYOOnwHFs09nG5RDux9vNGjnOKdlu8X5BUl/TQlMYgf oyBKmdzfS4REmrt/5shMcOQGPQFYY9mXJjXDmNNiU5puNX0iEgJdb120QM0QphZ+/JkjlPchY vwQBA5KTSuPEK53z7Ux2wChFtMB+tFmPqFGnviNTVeJsid8AnijC9vcK9KlmEjDp4wtwDzeN+ +EdX54YxQNUi7u0DSrO405cTsGw4ZIUCKnNMx59M72vICt3150h+miUlWdnpKmg9toPF2FGD5 DsBzW3p9zU8127bxH1FdOgqnp817KhlfltTkTFJgisCVd5EGfJ1dXe2b5ipOchiIO6kM6VtfE M+1nIP7g+VBkVjNk4odUnZTAKCz+x62qroN3vQhCWa0G7t3yQ+4rsGkoE8dWRm65/OVXhvgc4 D2TNGgPmL3AwRYI/Jh9cpnLjChA9ZH7ZSb7vDkNkXKIBzU1FkQUwU/RxNZ0Y2CMwXA/DY4xfq /DxdBOOdCUsFYrq7z+CmZAL3NDd7/MlvVg/wwDj4lVCaTdTvFv4wmrO3UJvu4QSZ0rvl713A3 DbRsjDzItmlX+gPY X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) GNU Emacs 25.1.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.25) of 2015-11-16 Emacs built from source at my Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u5 (2015-10-09) i686 GNU/Linux would start with errors due to Debian specific stuff probably. A way around is to start with -Q and load init-file interactively. However then saving options via customize isn't possible, which seems a bug. Thanks, Andreas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 19 10:55:49 2015 Received: (at 21959) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Nov 2015 15:55:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45100 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzRYq-0001Hr-PT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:55:49 -0500 Received: from mtaout27.012.net.il ([80.179.55.183]:33210) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzRYn-0001Hh-Qy for 21959@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:55:46 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout27.012.net.il by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NY200O00JV12H00@mtaout27.012.net.il> for 21959@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:50:43 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NY200KIQK0JJQ30@mtaout27.012.net.il>; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:50:43 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:55:28 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#21959: [25.1.50.1] No way to save customization from emacs -Q In-reply-to: <564DC031.4020104@easy-emacs.de> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6hler?= Message-id: <83oaeq7zm7.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <564DC031.4020104@easy-emacs.de> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21959 Cc: 21959@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:27:29 +0100 > From: Andreas Röhler > > A way around is to start with -Q and load init-file interactively. > However then saving options via customize isn't possible, which seems a bug. No, it's a deliberate feature. From the Emacs manual: If Emacs was invoked with the `-q' or `--no-init-file' options (*note Initial Options::), it will not let you save your customizations in your initialization file. This is because saving customizations from such a session would wipe out all the other customizations you might have on your initialization file. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 20 02:23:24 2015 Received: (at 21959) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Nov 2015 07:23:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45448 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zzg2V-0003Ws-W0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 02:23:24 -0500 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.133]:63891) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zzg2T-0003WY-8D for 21959@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 02:23:21 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.31] ([77.3.50.24]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue005) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MWfMN-1Zsm8C46Ml-00XrJg; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:23:20 +0100 Message-ID: <564ECAA7.8030507@easy-emacs.de> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:24:23 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#21959: [25.1.50.1] No way to save customization from emacs -Q References: <564DC031.4020104@easy-emacs.de> <83oaeq7zm7.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83oaeq7zm7.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:IjL41HUhkdV76/0ATO7GQRwdXzkA4kQN+i9hip/Kpy1jzNHzLsc jFEu+E8bC9mriZcJ9fTnnQeYR38IloUUcIcpahL2LBUmZxFwUWfa+j5QIT7qvMuBDHTPNTu NCvRJjqkFkau4bDtsziJ0l0uQHp5ko+adhyECMNmZzS/tWeYZe2kvHYMAVpQZXcUCkwbnja wYi5NUOBtloXd2kx5kasg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:g4osMXolPUk=:wUDJdqrFANQ7eovCYxIxgY 8z0ns8QIMQo2uR6q5lPZ/2GExHx/ReiAtuO25sPot73NDWhWGavm5/WW9XnBllp3Q6CE5Sv8K 4q7crTREk97KCOH4ghtxlquZ7yZN4FVXy1BWTP0pCEFLPSMRZF9ZTxJTAdXz1uhujaO3hl7Yv njHGCmHgHCPXcxszaq4HhXvfNKwkuNiqe+Kugi9yathshutxcTLiQokK5omLRIJss2/sDC74I UAn0uSnh5KZsCLhEEP87OHZwciN8j+xTVK+wxIGIx9psnq9rTcRJ6wCDgYW9eoIrGT845mpk+ /VYpvs619bgunnaymbZX803XcT3jOAIDWx1sjXNr5T2DB1B80/7hR6EDip933FAJmK4iOLTih 1UNu0X0llPPAqOzZ0nj0HJJaH73Am1o5L7brN+iHoUuStLmzlICkbX5unuDgo80iy1LfjmUKo W9gVux4et0SY2b3lZgEtGc26rC00eDEc3TJBb436I2cJJdTBBZy0IuKSQwNaqqO1ljnxGzZOs p+JcnDGm1L9aWV3KIMIvpSzQmT09YxSPb/S4l8IgFhA1IVDxLkXvV8y/raRevuO3SgSbQNnlA qV/8BBideUuvXjGjts9rjpDWjUxuolFijHvhHNzCi9LwoJqAHyPCwQ2Cf0QYMDAUzdb3XKkUd VUxs+MTwYtnAR5ngK5pWbqIyBwv+XMHeAetxer4BNYYoEDfRudAAPgZRpuo015UPv4wThbAZF fqzezJBdLnRAy5V3 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21959 Cc: 21959@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On 19.11.2015 16:55, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:27:29 +0100 >> From: Andreas Röhler >> >> A way around is to start with -Q and load init-file interactively. >> However then saving options via customize isn't possible, which seems a bug. > No, it's a deliberate feature. From the Emacs manual: > > If Emacs was invoked with the `-q' or `--no-init-file' options > (*note Initial Options::), it will not let you save your customizations > in your initialization file. This is because saving customizations > from such a session would wipe out all the other customizations you > might have on your initialization file. > Hmm, maybe not link saving and wiping out? What is the rational for theses connection? What about having these separated and a command "clear customizations"? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 20 03:25:18 2015 Received: (at 21959) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Nov 2015 08:25:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45466 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zzh0P-0005UQ-Ec for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 03:25:18 -0500 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:48567) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zzh0M-0005UH-VF for 21959@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 03:25:16 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NY300C00TP01E00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 21959@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:25:13 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NY300CJ1U201210@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:25:13 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:24:59 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#21959: [25.1.50.1] No way to save customization from emacs -Q In-reply-to: <564ECAA7.8030507@easy-emacs.de> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6hler?= Message-id: <83io4x6pt0.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <564DC031.4020104@easy-emacs.de> <83oaeq7zm7.fsf@gnu.org> <564ECAA7.8030507@easy-emacs.de> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21959 Cc: 21959@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:24:23 +0100 > From: Andreas Röhler > CC: 21959@debbugs.gnu.org > > > If Emacs was invoked with the `-q' or `--no-init-file' options > > (*note Initial Options::), it will not let you save your customizations > > in your initialization file. This is because saving customizations > > from such a session would wipe out all the other customizations you > > might have on your initialization file. > > > > Hmm, maybe not link saving and wiping out? > What is the rational for theses connection? AFAIU, Customize cannot _update_ your settings (which might include customizations of more than one feature) without _loading_ them from your ~/.emacs first. All it can do is to write out the few (usually, just one) customizations you did in the "emacs -Q" session, replacing whatever was there before. This effectively "wipes out" what you had there. > What about having these separated and a command "clear customizations"? Not sure how that would help; see above. I think a way forward would be to teach Customize to _add_ customizations rather than _replace_ them. If that's possible. Patches welcome. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 20 04:04:04 2015 Received: (at 21959) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Nov 2015 09:04:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45486 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zzhbv-0006mX-K9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 04:04:03 -0500 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.135]:58384) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zzhbs-0006m5-Ue for 21959@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 04:04:01 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.31] ([77.3.50.24]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LaYbD-1adxxo2c0d-00mN73; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:03:59 +0100 Message-ID: <564EE23F.5090907@easy-emacs.de> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:05:03 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#21959: [25.1.50.1] No way to save customization from emacs -Q References: <564DC031.4020104@easy-emacs.de> <83oaeq7zm7.fsf@gnu.org> <564ECAA7.8030507@easy-emacs.de> <83io4x6pt0.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83io4x6pt0.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:SnEfhz9b0+ba3MdbjoXy+8yWCqk03mFCL1S6fbm1lF2DLR2H8MS wohoZeZnTtmAjKOVgAXgcEkEyDe27pNYZbqEUZxhu4uWiGv4cFdZ3N5H/IbQgEwd6fhHWMn h3Ds6wydM9eL2gKzJeocRsje1XC/C0/Pqp7rGZrb68kML6r/6ZWsO4WuDTvFfoSOtWSSLUi QYk4NAnajOYT4QU2jGuhA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:nn7xei49sFY=:m/Ov/S6M1SAjswYdORX/Pl zW7JDPlxQOg8pQwERm1vuTEIsZaud7W0a5b+y0+Dn/YZBLIMEMsVQF9GDJTGtKuLM0ucuLnQ3 drqcdby5mLkM+BdKOApmfkeTce5jw0Y1SJ7YguAjbv3kpfG+gvNy1k1nvS9YjCsKrHfbW84QZ Mqi14IdxW0yT+G/q55LLKvv65uMsi6jdiP19odQ7/mZlwvnChy0O8eyEXAp1IQig5J69xhFG0 46CVTvORJBQm5IKWyBuKYME7U+hundMeTofUrifZKo7sChxzFK7VKT22Bricg0VkQFJDl4w60 a6+DLgwaBGFssnd6E1EyP7L6PkBY10UyPl+BYs3JDkU+agobDyOZl4SvtTHt3weaj3NUeZgRS bW553IjguupDzbCTOV4UI7SyaSMEB/eOEEPKyl2XPRWUrvfijdZw/zqWHAJKYpHwfE0JeTdEW Q8jR4LYeTjV991qzykxuQpqhoTTnEajK+Oz/O4POru4DN6OXQfgQPsPzo0aPxC4MNwHcTakCH wGE4SLwwak6MszlXLUnng7ADIZ3UtxS06NvUGT8Z9qfSTcVrCGxK/0AjBF6IbSAYv9K3z4Yk4 WJaQdcSi97Hf2gOWD1mgNqrgm0Pq1jBnVTORCt4zXzm9P1WTybHeRf4RkqmRzfMr+nwzatJnV kP3uH4YrGL9/gC4IsowYAOJb+H9It9pSJBxyvG2FnRJCrOjlc3OaPe3WoQOMJAWxvsa/j0KQv hA7q8SDeP8pUQeBD X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21959 Cc: 21959@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On 20.11.2015 09:24, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:24:23 +0100 >> From: Andreas Röhler >> CC: 21959@debbugs.gnu.org >> >>> If Emacs was invoked with the `-q' or `--no-init-file' options >>> (*note Initial Options::), it will not let you save your customizations >>> in your initialization file. This is because saving customizations >>> from such a session would wipe out all the other customizations you >>> might have on your initialization file. >>> >> Hmm, maybe not link saving and wiping out? >> What is the rational for theses connection? > AFAIU, Customize cannot _update_ your settings (which might include > customizations of more than one feature) without _loading_ them from > your ~/.emacs first. All it can do is to write out the few (usually, > just one) customizations you did in the "emacs -Q" session, replacing > whatever was there before. This effectively "wipes out" what you had > there. Hmm, editing a file doesn't require to load it before. While understanding it's easier to write a list down which was loaded: Here it must open the custom-file as plain-text and to replace the section in question - if any. > Patches welcome. > [ ... ] Would the disclaimer signed be sufficient WRT copyright-issues? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 20 04:52:51 2015 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Nov 2015 09:52:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45515 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZziN8-0008Jx-N9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 04:52:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34157) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZziMp-0008JR-7i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 04:52:49 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZziMn-0001Db-OY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 04:52:30 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:47916) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZziMn-0001DV-M0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 04:52:29 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44133) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZziMm-00041M-LD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 04:52:29 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZziMh-0001CK-N3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 04:52:28 -0500 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.130]:59644) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZziMh-0001Bx-DX; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 04:52:23 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.31] ([77.3.50.24]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MAYXK-1a5iv606Kw-00Bb5S; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:52:22 +0100 Message-ID: <564EED96.9050905@easy-emacs.de> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:53:26 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#21959: [25.1.50.1] No way to save customization from emacs -Q References: <564DC031.4020104@easy-emacs.de> <83oaeq7zm7.fsf@gnu.org> <564ECAA7.8030507@easy-emacs.de> <83io4x6pt0.fsf@gnu.org> <564EE23F.5090907@easy-emacs.de> In-Reply-To: <564EE23F.5090907@easy-emacs.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:ix9xUHLo1RCytQefR261W1+gpOU+iPjJhjVi2B3/WunlILJQSRS OBllm+atWgxzzqef5rpkA7g0HL2H+Ylo65L78n5jtgThYuMgdpOp5KTysLK1gNxg7U8iwrm 4je+zwWTtrFCiv9mcQi6IT46mWVenpLfjTeB+bQrE5XF7+6QX4cxi/7App6NGZdF2arn95L q98WjIKXurgt6PVLYBaLw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:5AMH4HsAneE=:Xq7Mg+871ekeSagFvxpF+2 RFl3KlMfSHBfsQ4THao7YsOrMdEEYRc4BWoZDcaVlpL6lmK6IaS+Od+L3ZQWbI2m2jwyb/OPm W7uA86FjUAB3Q4FQ7Jo+CkBxrCdS2wuqBbNwM6HisucbN7hZWyw6qhjO9itOIG8R7t2m9sZXZ w72Vvtdj++FY6UJpWgXJKDHHUCUiKF8dbYa4Mn5CjfIHJ6O3a97BOgarY/FegM+wUfsao9EIu ezh/POV3akwX1B8bYEyC0jepVu7X3ghCcTXuEkVG/98x6VJz/sqp6khAigR9MxbG6LetT9zBZ ++Q+bHkgieqyHqHw2YIUOcioj5dvnP9u6n4YOh9I4fl0GiF51rMY3z+gqIrvCE2LLLwCojHpb oByM5mS/NHvlmXQeKuz44/D02xRNgDWhbOGPr8QG7+/f+ILtQEIzHKuA/upiXLckosUlyXsgd 6PTDdDf2TjJusBv19YY13WLhc0ZOPBwp0b/bLWbXPQRkSnnepq7qRnV00XitCduZdh8auVnhD DVUAlIUTPofx1giPKI/jKkNNxxFeaCB5NxV3CMnwRgnMeaz2akBpP1/Y8EPjUItOvM70DqW+e 5TEF6x6ISsTrexC1Ei88jCYM5OBpI2pceEE5TxcDG73kExwHnY/+y+N09fRo4rGwva72ej9qj 2tH7DU5m20KP6K3vg/fsAm8vMUlJy20MV79x2xfxgfxw3s9xH+b0Dm5ZNrbDcO+yF+46BGjHQ ROSr3CkKcw/xtkOt X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) On 20.11.2015 10:05, Andreas Röhler wrote: > On 20.11.2015 09:24, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:24:23 +0100 >>> From: Andreas Röhler >>> CC: 21959@debbugs.gnu.org >>> >>>> If Emacs was invoked with the `-q' or `--no-init-file' options >>>> (*note Initial Options::), it will not let you save your >>>> customizations >>>> in your initialization file. This is because saving >>>> customizations >>>> from such a session would wipe out all the other customizations >>>> you >>>> might have on your initialization file. >>>> >>> Hmm, maybe not link saving and wiping out? >>> What is the rational for theses connection? >> AFAIU, Customize cannot _update_ your settings (which might include >> customizations of more than one feature) without _loading_ them from >> your ~/.emacs first. All it can do is to write out the few (usually, >> just one) customizations you did in the "emacs -Q" session, replacing >> whatever was there before. This effectively "wipes out" what you had >> there. > Emacs was started -Q, but init-file and custom-file loaded manually afterwards. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 20 05:05:56 2015 Received: (at 21959) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Nov 2015 10:05:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45523 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZziZn-0000Gd-Ow for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 05:05:56 -0500 Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:35923) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZziZS-0000G7-F6 for 21959@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 05:05:53 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NY300600YLQMC00@mtaout28.012.net.il> for 21959@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:04:26 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NY3001JTYNEQH40@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:04:26 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:05:19 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#21959: [25.1.50.1] No way to save customization from emacs -Q In-reply-to: <564EE23F.5090907@easy-emacs.de> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6hler?= Message-id: <83610x6l5s.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <564DC031.4020104@easy-emacs.de> <83oaeq7zm7.fsf@gnu.org> <564ECAA7.8030507@easy-emacs.de> <83io4x6pt0.fsf@gnu.org> <564EE23F.5090907@easy-emacs.de> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21959 Cc: 21959@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:05:03 +0100 > From: Andreas Röhler > CC: 21959@debbugs.gnu.org > > >> What is the rational for theses connection? > > AFAIU, Customize cannot _update_ your settings (which might include > > customizations of more than one feature) without _loading_ them from > > your ~/.emacs first. All it can do is to write out the few (usually, > > just one) customizations you did in the "emacs -Q" session, replacing > > whatever was there before. This effectively "wipes out" what you had > > there. > > Hmm, editing a file doesn't require to load it before. But this isn't editing. AFAIU, Customize creates a 'custom-set-variables' section from internal Lisp data structures, while distinguishing changes done by the user from other kinds of changes, like those done by original ~/.emacs settings. > While understanding it's easier to write a list down which was loaded: > Here it must open the custom-file as plain-text and to replace the > section in question - if any. I don't think it's that simple, see above; but I might be wrong. > > Patches welcome. > > > > [ ... ] > > Would the disclaimer signed be sufficient WRT copyright-issues? IANAL, sorry. I hope someone else will be able to answer that. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 20 05:08:51 2015 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Nov 2015 10:08:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45527 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zzicd-0000M8-C5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 05:08:51 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37995) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zzica-0000Lz-S2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 05:08:49 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zzica-0005ai-1m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 05:08:48 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:40630) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzicZ-0005ae-VB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 05:08:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47995) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzicZ-0006xE-7B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 05:08:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzicW-0005Z1-1g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 05:08:47 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:48053) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzicV-0005Yd-PX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 05:08:43 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NY300800YLV8A00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:08:42 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NY3008YQYUH2Z50@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:08:42 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:08:28 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#21959: [25.1.50.1] No way to save customization from emacs -Q In-reply-to: <564EED96.9050905@easy-emacs.de> To: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6hler?= Message-id: <834mgh6l0j.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il References: <564DC031.4020104@easy-emacs.de> <83oaeq7zm7.fsf@gnu.org> <564ECAA7.8030507@easy-emacs.de> <83io4x6pt0.fsf@gnu.org> <564EE23F.5090907@easy-emacs.de> <564EED96.9050905@easy-emacs.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:53:26 +0100 > From: Andreas R=F6hler > CC: Eli Zaretskii >=20 > Emacs was started -Q, but init-file and custom-file loaded manually= =20 > afterwards. What is the value of user-init-file? If it's nil, Emacs doesn't know you loaded your init-file. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 20 09:49:09 2015 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Nov 2015 14:49:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45722 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zzmzs-0002Q2-MB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:49:09 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49750) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzmzY-0002Ov-CW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:49:07 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzmzX-0006ds-8c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:48:48 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:40625) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzmzX-0006do-5d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:48:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59755) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzmzW-0004pd-Ch for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:48:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzmzR-0006cp-DI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:48:46 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:40375) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzmzR-0006cT-6N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:48:41 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzmxP-0006Pa-Oa for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:46:35 +0100 Received: from c-68-39-146-59.hsd1.in.comcast.net ([68.39.146.59]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:46:35 +0100 Received: from random832 by c-68-39-146-59.hsd1.in.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:46:35 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Random832 Subject: Re: bug#21959: [25.1.50.1] No way to save customization from emacs -Q Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <564DC031.4020104@easy-emacs.de> <83oaeq7zm7.fsf@gnu.org> <564ECAA7.8030507@easy-emacs.de> <83io4x6pt0.fsf@gnu.org> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-68-39-146-59.hsd1.in.comcast.net User-Agent: slrn/1.0.1 (Linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) On 2015-11-20, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > AFAIU, Customize cannot _update_ your settings (which might include > customizations of more than one feature) without _loading_ them from > your ~/.emacs first. Why can't it "load" it (into a "saved but not set" state, or where the default value is considered "set and not saved") without _applying_ the settings, by simply reading from your .emacs when you first run customize? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 20 10:54:51 2015 Received: (at 21959) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Nov 2015 15:54:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46354 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zzo1T-0004VY-H4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:54:51 -0500 Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:48920) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zzo19-0004V0-0n for 21959@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:54:50 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NY400K00E4NDN00@mtaout24.012.net.il> for 21959@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:47:23 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NY400I8KEIZDW30@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:47:23 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:54:17 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#21959: [25.1.50.1] No way to save customization from emacs -Q In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Random832 Message-id: <83io4w6506.fsf@gnu.org> References: <564DC031.4020104@easy-emacs.de> <83oaeq7zm7.fsf@gnu.org> <564ECAA7.8030507@easy-emacs.de> <83io4x6pt0.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21959 Cc: 21959@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Random832 > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:43:32 +0000 (UTC) > > On 2015-11-20, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > AFAIU, Customize cannot _update_ your settings (which might include > > customizations of more than one feature) without _loading_ them from > > your ~/.emacs first. > > Why can't it "load" it (into a "saved but not set" state, or where the default > value is considered "set and not saved") without _applying_ the settings, by > simply reading from your .emacs when you first run customize? Patches welcome. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 08 02:08:06 2022 Received: (at 21959) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2022 07:08:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45037 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHKbe-00006t-Lo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2022 02:08:06 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:48942) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHKbc-00006L-7i for 21959@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2022 02:08:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=pUr1ZjjRPDPbUw/a1aJ6By95IrLXKxVWH2939Dp+HNo=; b=oF4ol15G83TgC9JbhemK1WkNWC GkM+wp+BuNyHgZMIt1wJxjal+znnY//hduMh/HrXlHkoHvPNVX5uTgtLKEiGkBgdh9ADlz1Q7Ums2 Pp7dZDQ9yIZSWrphH+fiodo9QJQp7V88A+loun67PTOkzvtq+Xj0K7KXINZG9Dj6CK8s=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nHKbT-0002A3-6t; Tue, 08 Feb 2022 08:07:58 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#21959: [25.1.50.1] No way to save customization from emacs -Q References: <564DC031.4020104@easy-emacs.de> <83oaeq7zm7.fsf@gnu.org> X-Now-Playing: Melanie de Biasio's _No Deal_: "With Love" Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 08:07:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83oaeq7zm7.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:55:28 +0200") Message-ID: <877da5sunp.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> A way around is to start with -Q and load init-file interactively. >> However then saving options via customize isn't possible, which seems a bug. > > No, it's a deliberate feature. From the Emacs [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21959 Cc: Andreas =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= , 21959@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> A way around is to start with -Q and load init-file interactively. >> However then saving options via customize isn't possible, which seems a bug. > > No, it's a deliberate feature. From the Emacs manual: > > If Emacs was invoked with the `-q' or `--no-init-file' options > (*note Initial Options::), it will not let you save your customizations > in your initialization file. This is because saving customizations > from such a session would wipe out all the other customizations you > might have on your initialization file. (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved at the time.) When the user has used "-Q", I think the intention is to use not affect customisations. If we open up for saving customisations done in "emacs -Q", that opens up a can of worms where we may be overwriting some customisations the user has done in a "real" session, because Emacs is set up quite differently when not using "-Q". 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