From unknown Sat Sep 06 14:23:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21954: physical versus virtual disks Resent-From: David Billsbrough Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-parted@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 18:03:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 21954 X-GNU-PR-Package: parted X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 21954@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: "bug-parted@gnu.org" Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.144786977028015 (code B ref -1); Wed, 18 Nov 2015 18:03:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2015 18:02:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43627 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz73v-0007HN-HK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:02:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53695) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz6gY-0006ZT-Lz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:38:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz6gX-0006Pw-5W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:38:22 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,HTML_MESSAGE, RECEIVED_FROM_WINDOWS_HOST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:34161) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz6gX-0006Pj-2n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:38:21 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35462) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz6gS-0007uq-Gr for bug-parted@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:38:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz6gM-0006F0-Tz for bug-parted@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:38:16 -0500 Received: from cas080-co-10.exch080.serverdata.net ([199.193.205.100]:22475 helo=out.west.exch080.serverdata.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz6gM-0006E3-Ms for bug-parted@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:38:10 -0500 Received: from MBX080-W4-CO-1.exch080.serverpod.net (10.224.117.101) by MBX080-W4-CO-1.exch080.serverpod.net (10.224.117.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1130.7; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:07:54 -0800 Received: from MBX080-W4-CO-1.exch080.serverpod.net ([10.224.117.101]) by mbx080-w4-co-1.exch080.serverpod.net ([10.224.117.101]) with mapi id 15.00.1130.005; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:07:54 -0800 From: David Billsbrough Thread-Topic: physical versus virtual disks Thread-Index: AdEiI4H2NYgxpGTOTaO+JOgB4v1mKA== Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:07:53 +0000 Message-ID: <4316eee9b65c4691a1112a5c3600041b@mbx080-w4-co-1.exch080.serverpod.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [208.118.22.228] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4316eee9b65c4691a1112a5c3600041bmbx080w4co1exch080serve_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows 7 or 8 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:02:30 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) --_000_4316eee9b65c4691a1112a5c3600041bmbx080w4co1exch080serve_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is an ongoing chat between a systems administrator and a applications = developer: It is in regards to what is an Amazon S3 'bucket' and how looks like a hard= drive in the cloud. As the admin I think that it existence does not give a S3 bucket every attr= ibute of a real physical hard drive. So if I ran the parted command or any other GPT aware utility against the d= ev files the point to a connected S3 bucket and tried to create a GUID part= ition table (GPT) and tried to preserve that configuration across the resta= rting of virtual instances that there would be no guarantees of it persiste= nce. Thoughts? Where in a virtual disk is the structures that store MBR, GPT, Inode struct= ures and reserve areas for bad block data that is contained on a real physi= cal hard drive? regards, David --_000_4316eee9b65c4691a1112a5c3600041bmbx080w4co1exch080serve_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is an ongoing chat between a systems administra= tor and a applications developer:

 

It is in regards to what is an Amazon S3 'bucket' an= d how looks like a hard drive in the cloud.

 

As the admin I think that it existence does not give= a S3 bucket every attribute of a real physical hard drive.

 

So if I ran the parted command or any other GPT awar= e utility against the dev files the point to a connected S3 bucket and trie= d to create a GUID partition table (GPT) and tried to preserve that configu= ration across the restarting of virtual instances that there would be no guarantees of it persistence.<= /p>

 

Thoughts?

 

Where in a virtual disk is the structures that store= MBR, GPT, Inode structures and reserve areas for bad block data that is co= ntained on a real physical hard drive?

 

regards,

 

David

--_000_4316eee9b65c4691a1112a5c3600041bmbx080w4co1exch080serve_-- From unknown Sat Sep 06 14:23:41 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.503 (Entity 5.503) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: David Billsbrough Subject: bug#21954: closed (Re: bug#21954: physical versus virtual disks) Message-ID: References: <565E5610.8070807@ubuntu.com> <4316eee9b65c4691a1112a5c3600041b@mbx080-w4-co-1.exch080.serverpod.net> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 21954 X-Gnu-PR-Package: parted Reply-To: 21954@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 02:24:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1449023042-2635-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1449023042-2635-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #21954: physical versus virtual disks which was filed against the parted package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 21954@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 21954: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D21954 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1449023042-2635-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 21954-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Dec 2015 02:23:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35527 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1a3x4d-0000fJ-AN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:23:15 -0500 Received: from cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com ([107.14.166.228]:43407 helo=cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1a3x4b-0000f9-JJ for 21954-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:23:13 -0500 Received: from [72.239.162.168] ([72.239.162.168:50492] helo=[192.168.1.141]) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 27/A8-31313-0165E565; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 02:23:13 +0000 Subject: Re: bug#21954: physical versus virtual disks To: 21954-done@debbugs.gnu.org References: <4316eee9b65c4691a1112a5c3600041b@mbx080-w4-co-1.exch080.serverpod.net> From: Phillip Susi Message-ID: <565E5610.8070807@ubuntu.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:23:12 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4316eee9b65c4691a1112a5c3600041b@mbx080-w4-co-1.exch080.serverpod.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21954-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 11/18/2015 12:07 PM, David Billsbrough wrote: > Where in a virtual disk is the structures that store MBR, GPT, > Inode structures and reserve areas for bad block data that is > contained on a real physical hard drive? Obviously the same place they are on a real disk, otherwise it wouldn't be much of a "virtual" disk now would it? Closing this bug report since it is not a bug report at all. For discussion see parted-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJWXlYNAAoJEBB5UWFcu6UWEA0H/2e+LwEz7lMX6udhDx3SKbGQ ibRg75w34kudRx/PjCVeMZsyYWJHPZ+MhvmF4jig/JUFIVU/3zZ1WSkDgeR70Eby XA6JI5WBQRQ5O8JfdYnFwjlSHmajvrrS/D3iQpGPuFrMcagE/lyGM3PVkAhiLdv4 h28vFkkbmi4t5XUA7jn8WviRUYBEdnnjdK2pJo3nG6CPGFtO3u205oxSDXRg0S7a VQ8ApIHdxbOkDZ/tUqwQOzPtI2ex4W/FgiB/0GHN7mTTm9hPuPob1dpgjwZFGerU cBCZkQD0e1yX4wuAI0y+BU0KUdGCzTd+yHz9U6MT7sf2Z+dtlFq9FcFXaSJeCVk= =yMPL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------=_1449023042-2635-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2015 18:02:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43627 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz73v-0007HN-HK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:02:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53695) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz6gY-0006ZT-Lz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:38:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz6gX-0006Pw-5W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:38:22 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,HTML_MESSAGE, RECEIVED_FROM_WINDOWS_HOST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:34161) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz6gX-0006Pj-2n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:38:21 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35462) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz6gS-0007uq-Gr for bug-parted@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:38:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz6gM-0006F0-Tz for bug-parted@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:38:16 -0500 Received: from cas080-co-10.exch080.serverdata.net ([199.193.205.100]:22475 helo=out.west.exch080.serverdata.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz6gM-0006E3-Ms for bug-parted@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:38:10 -0500 Received: from MBX080-W4-CO-1.exch080.serverpod.net (10.224.117.101) by MBX080-W4-CO-1.exch080.serverpod.net (10.224.117.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1130.7; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:07:54 -0800 Received: from MBX080-W4-CO-1.exch080.serverpod.net ([10.224.117.101]) by mbx080-w4-co-1.exch080.serverpod.net ([10.224.117.101]) with mapi id 15.00.1130.005; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:07:54 -0800 From: David Billsbrough To: "bug-parted@gnu.org" Subject: physical versus virtual disks Thread-Topic: physical versus virtual disks Thread-Index: AdEiI4H2NYgxpGTOTaO+JOgB4v1mKA== Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:07:53 +0000 Message-ID: <4316eee9b65c4691a1112a5c3600041b@mbx080-w4-co-1.exch080.serverpod.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [208.118.22.228] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4316eee9b65c4691a1112a5c3600041bmbx080w4co1exch080serve_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows 7 or 8 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:02:30 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) --_000_4316eee9b65c4691a1112a5c3600041bmbx080w4co1exch080serve_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is an ongoing chat between a systems administrator and a applications = developer: It is in regards to what is an Amazon S3 'bucket' and how looks like a hard= drive in the cloud. As the admin I think that it existence does not give a S3 bucket every attr= ibute of a real physical hard drive. So if I ran the parted command or any other GPT aware utility against the d= ev files the point to a connected S3 bucket and tried to create a GUID part= ition table (GPT) and tried to preserve that configuration across the resta= rting of virtual instances that there would be no guarantees of it persiste= nce. Thoughts? Where in a virtual disk is the structures that store MBR, GPT, Inode struct= ures and reserve areas for bad block data that is contained on a real physi= cal hard drive? regards, David --_000_4316eee9b65c4691a1112a5c3600041bmbx080w4co1exch080serve_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is an ongoing chat between a systems administra= tor and a applications developer:

 

It is in regards to what is an Amazon S3 'bucket' an= d how looks like a hard drive in the cloud.

 

As the admin I think that it existence does not give= a S3 bucket every attribute of a real physical hard drive.

 

So if I ran the parted command or any other GPT awar= e utility against the dev files the point to a connected S3 bucket and trie= d to create a GUID partition table (GPT) and tried to preserve that configu= ration across the restarting of virtual instances that there would be no guarantees of it persistence.<= /p>

 

Thoughts?

 

Where in a virtual disk is the structures that store= MBR, GPT, Inode structures and reserve areas for bad block data that is co= ntained on a real physical hard drive?

 

regards,

 

David

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