From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 21 14:24:42 2015 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2015 18:24:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59677 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zoy41-0001gS-Q9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:24:42 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42920) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zoy3z-0001gK-Of for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:24:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zoy3y-00076p-Uy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:24:39 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:53162) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zoy3y-00076h-SY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:24:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52907) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zoy3x-0008RA-W4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:24:38 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zoy3u-00075l-Pu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:24:37 -0400 Received: from hafgarpur.hafro.is ([130.208.64.48]:47243) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zoy3u-000750-5R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:24:34 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at hafro.is Received: from hafurtask.hafro.is (hafurtask.hafro.is [130.208.61.60]) by hafgarpur.hafro.is (8.14.4/8.14.4/hafro-2.48) with ESMTP id t9LIONxG007553 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:24:23 GMT Received: from hafurtask.hafro.is (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hafurtask.hafro.is (8.14.4/8.14.4/hafro-1.6) with ESMTP id t9LIOMx1030751 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:24:22 GMT Received: from localhost (arnima@localhost) by hafurtask.hafro.is (8.14.4/8.14.4/hafro-0.3) with ESMTP id t9LIOMHo030747 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:24:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: hafurtask.hafro.is: arnima owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:24:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Arni Magnusson To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Tramp hangs in Windows Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (LRH 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) The official Windows builds of Emacs 24.4 and 24.5 hang when I run M-x load-library tramp [RET] Earlier Emacs versions (24.3, 24.2, 24.1, 23.4) do not have this problem. To get Emacs out of the frozen state, I can either kill some cmd.exe subprocesses or kill Emacs itself. I get the same behavior on Windows XP and Windows 7, and I'm invoking Emacs with -Q factory settings. Some changes between 24.3 and 24.4 are probably causing the problem I'm having. What I'm after is not to get Tramp functionality in Windows, but simply to run Emacs commands that do some Tramp checks. These functions run fine on the Linux side but hang in Windows. As far as I can tell, load-library tramp is intended to run in Emacs in Windows, like in earlier versions. My WinXP and Win7 machines are quite differently configured from each other, so I hope this problem is reproducible. Thanks, Arni From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 22 04:01:05 2015 Received: (at 21727) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2015 08:01:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60209 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpAo4-0004R4-VZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 04:01:05 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:57505) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpAnj-0004QE-Ut for 21727@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 04:01:03 -0400 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.35.126]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lmazv-1aP3Rv1XOt-00aDgc; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:00:36 +0200 From: Michael Albinus To: Arni Magnusson Subject: Re: bug#21727: Tramp hangs in Windows References: Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:00:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Arni Magnusson's message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:24:22 +0000 (UTC)") Message-ID: <87pp07qqn1.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:CaGjCxsvKPi27Sg9pWLyXtm1b+M0pk7Kz7nY8fjXBxcp7bahVVw nQkvDdG2LHrekszGPt/pah2+nQi/UGm/QTqHqbNxBvYSQpyrkbonJhBPpfp6ZHAcfjwha3+ YXChbIwbefd/NI6GGkaC3X18o7l33zCEahPe/OPJOVj+Wqfoc0S5Lp0uj+lyoBRlx0RPSjh j8LTFo/LkxIbcZBhQmPBw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Bp9gPux0f4o=:sW5CXYQK9uGqFSzhltUmVR VP5AgKnQyAn0J5sHLwRhl7+KdVhSpzaJtZkSIYM2KkCMHkadZaBunwvkEpPFR43qAEWGDqO3y CSNN42sR2MLy00UtU/ULiWO1xidz7RFQgA09UqLr98hkmFDiNh7De2xTtZ7XIHcwTgetehiD9 DgH5yVWWM+DA4lezIlygbEnp9IYlBMeD42IUw21i63aiMxkFS70lu8n1g6I3KovjUvErjGi3H D5ZAwGFIu9zmMpNqEyqie3E1iq5mxZvmOW+XEi+z6kqWP3RjtcKF8wv995Hm5PJU4JTbgEHMh S5nINLWHnHX+JpkvdHFQ+ojeWaxSrvgbiiceJpaRnA2Mfj+KUNySfY3kEF+iCODubo1GhbRYo Bi3Jyqx8lYVUDeSCRdvcgOnvrGdm+cOSLHF6bbbrRj/4HGoZr5MqCmiJS/4hyZY8fiE9s7M85 ozPAOSenD/k+l/9Ju8P8fLIScYI6oJuY1hLC/L3aazeK/WCdpLmCjDSfcznK9H/cyoYurJMEy z/zDUDYEP5bnQLBJS/Dhn7HIYp1GwcQa9WbxnhMr/IVvsebDLjrJZMjK7jxwTNtRxlxLCArEZ HBtnXsPwbd8EfIlcw7kpjmGUrwjC/0zwpsMxTFbI6ftxI2ufeBiIctzRDQhzwkRev7wVQDhsg VfxAd2NGeIDMvAcx4ZRZKXf8Nua2Cy5DcRf3N99WVPkOKdCHPPSW27AaQu+imzURhUNVvEEhG l5h93YE0mUtZyfwoVm+fJibPj/9vKENDVk6yMfPNMfDfQhPYfkHc34UFq0++tbJ0oGUFG227/ 0jnoqxE X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21727 Cc: 21727@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Arni Magnusson writes: Hi Arni, > The official Windows builds of Emacs 24.4 and 24.5 hang when I run > > M-x load-library tramp [RET] > > Earlier Emacs versions (24.3, 24.2, 24.1, 23.4) do not have this > problem. To get Emacs out of the frozen state, I can either kill some > cmd.exe subprocesses or kill Emacs itself. There were bug reports 20015 and 21504, which have reported similar problems. The problem was improper DNS setting on the local host. Could it be, that you suffer from the same problem? > Thanks, > > Arni Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 22 08:11:04 2015 Received: (at 21727) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2015 12:11:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60320 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpEhz-0003Lm-UZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:11:04 -0400 Received: from hafgarpur.hafro.is ([130.208.64.48]:44900) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpEhf-0003L4-Jn for 21727@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:11:02 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at hafro.is Received: from hafurtask.hafro.is (hafurtask.hafro.is [130.208.61.60]) by hafgarpur.hafro.is (8.14.4/8.14.4/hafro-2.48) with ESMTP id t9MCAfmU007813; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:10:41 GMT Received: from hafurtask.hafro.is (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hafurtask.hafro.is (8.14.4/8.14.4/hafro-1.6) with ESMTP id t9MCAfdn019461; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:10:41 GMT Received: from localhost (arnima@localhost) by hafurtask.hafro.is (8.14.4/8.14.4/hafro-0.3) with ESMTP id t9MCAfJD019457; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:10:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: hafurtask.hafro.is: arnima owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:10:41 +0000 (UTC) From: Arni Magnusson To: Michael Albinus Subject: Re: bug#21727: Tramp hangs in Windows In-Reply-To: <87pp07qqn1.fsf@gmx.de> Message-ID: References: <87pp07qqn1.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (LRH 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21727 Cc: 21727@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Thank you for looking into this, Michael. You are right, this problem is machine-specific. I tried loading Tramp in Emacs 24.5 on my colleague's Windows 7 laptop (next door office) and it works. Alas, I'm not able to determine what is improper about my DNS settings, if that is the case. All settings seem to be set to default (obtain DNS server addresss automatically) and no network-related applications show any symptoms of improper DNS settings. They all work smoothly (Putty, wget, Firefox, Skype, etc.), both on the wireless at home and the ethernet at work. As a simple test, I tried unplugging the ethernet cable to go offline, but Tramp still hangs. My best workaround at present is to use Emacs 24.3, but that's not a very good long-term solution... The Linux commands in bug thread 20015 do not apply to diagnose the problem in native Windows. Can you suggest some test I can run to analyze what is causing the problem? Thanks, Arni On Thu, 22 Oct 2015, Michael Albinus wrote: > Arni Magnusson writes: > > Hi Arni, > >> The official Windows builds of Emacs 24.4 and 24.5 hang when I run >> >> M-x load-library tramp [RET] >> >> Earlier Emacs versions (24.3, 24.2, 24.1, 23.4) do not have this >> problem. To get Emacs out of the frozen state, I can either kill some >> cmd.exe subprocesses or kill Emacs itself. > > There were bug reports 20015 and 21504, which have reported similar > problems. The problem was improper DNS setting on the local host. > > Could it be, that you suffer from the same problem? > >> Thanks, >> >> Arni > > Best regards, Michael. > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 22 10:56:20 2015 Received: (at 21727) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2015 14:56:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33006 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpHHw-0007NW-7g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:56:20 -0400 Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:42770) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpHHt-0007NN-P5 for 21727@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:56:18 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NWM00C00MJ0DZ00@mtaout28.012.net.il> for 21727@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:54:53 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NWM00BFEMRG6720@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:54:53 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:55:46 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#21727: Tramp hangs in Windows In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Arni Magnusson Message-id: <83mvvbt0jx.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21727 Cc: 21727@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:24:22 +0000 (UTC) > From: Arni Magnusson > > The official Windows builds of Emacs 24.4 and 24.5 hang when I run > > M-x load-library tramp [RET] It doesn't hang for me when I try that here. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 22 12:21:56 2015 Received: (at 21727) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2015 16:21:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33106 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpIcm-00013m-BP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:21:56 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:57427) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpIcR-00013L-OZ for 21727@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:21:54 -0400 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.35.126]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LzKQf-1abg9n2OAr-014UAh; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:21:34 +0200 From: Michael Albinus To: Arni Magnusson Subject: Re: bug#21727: Tramp hangs in Windows References: <87pp07qqn1.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:21:33 +0200 Message-ID: <877fmelvqq.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:zVf+kSPkz6cBgBHhkILAG2a3U+hr7YjravpkF0n5qoHrdIcIZhH zFNqB0T6UyMU3chs4VqVCPAE+DV8KcfuaACn71UnMrT7Lf7StKB9O0U45FzuI3JQvTgEl7e +KWyK/mxJAWffEW33dN71GJePZBtaXYppvP3H7Bm9FUxwrCOYDL8l9pFXLHsNY2fYSsf0qM uo4MflFqekUL85VzvaiqQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:RzRg6f2784U=:l2ycM2luHSXSVSF0nVsNJu tf2rPX4pVDO0eO/JYR1Jhkvst94rEPMU72duLTVdD9JlZhZCI/XwX1taMbMJKnp1xEu928mJy NN99+ELu4ulZ7qx3oGE2iV/gxpaJMPIE/2AdIXf//6LZni2rExVfxHwJQ32svqeTmuP7euUWl XqdmjnrcrqihbwRIUT2g7P6JhPyocnkN5jaVWa/b6gbu4fvIdXT1/q2D9nPoFRlC7z+66WV8K K8OFqtFn82F/bzAf8hAXpLsYUa1rMF0ANFYTxkNCbMqJA007RhATfF50SA9Fey0oiAKPcDtTW Ujm5+RqGHCxARNgSRmHOR1kiayt1BegrFYBcvKGOmbK+KYLmzvsI6Q7Xs82UfarJyW4Kfr13U kBU/PpbPldsN3ODbB5599oub1V0J4Hd3HFDsR1GMuGdSfc3/5+bVyX/EiRk9Kk4eKkFOFtuF+ ZupBjAV/dX+ImXXtf+Vuj4fGeWfz1exi9VYWRTGg+jdHCWr5DCpwf+lprv0RmxIMHEDvu9lnC bhSoPn9rf6QY4B4l9FGvwOHK66RvmsEvkdRS3SIr6nAVK+QuWKXgtfWqiHjdgPcWu+8Braq9m /mUfvMKMYFjY2NXo26JsXMp8uFNU/RfcuX9BSEEXU+UhSlBVOh6ChIg3ZMx7gZUkq2Cp0O5tt hRiKykJ07OCc/RVc6dPDLA3XgOpZ73phXmxWVum2BkNa19spNrByuuw4m/g1sPNnyVjcdU25O kiRytjnon6SAkUv3Rltpqcs+iKlDSfW1WSwe0oxr8DmmGkW3AFbjlOLODzUhdV4p5ofh4Z635 2zxXkx9 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21727 Cc: 21727@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Arni Magnusson writes: Hi Arni, > Thank you for looking into this, Michael. > > You are right, this problem is machine-specific. I tried loading Tramp > in Emacs 24.5 on my colleague's Windows 7 laptop (next door office) > and it works. Good to know. > Alas, I'm not able to determine what is improper about my DNS > settings, if that is the case. All settings seem to be set to default > (obtain DNS server addresss automatically) and no network-related > applications show any symptoms of improper DNS settings. They all work > smoothly (Putty, wget, Firefox, Skype, etc.), both on the wireless at > home and the ethernet at work. As a simple test, I tried unplugging > the ethernet cable to go offline, but Tramp still hangs. No, that's not the point. Tramp wants to check some ssh arguments, and tries to contact an *inalid* host name on purpose. If DNS is configured properly, there will be an immediate reaction that this is an invalid FQDN. > The Linux commands in bug thread 20015 do not apply to diagnose the > problem in native Windows. Can you suggest some test I can run to > analyze what is causing the problem? Well, I don't run Windows personally, so my advice might be wrong. But you could open a cmd.exe window, and try # ssh -o ControlPath=%C host.does.not.exist Likely, it will hang for you. An alternative could be to install Emacs 25.0.50. This works pretty stable, and Tramp has changed its test to be used w/o DNS. You find weekly snapshots at . > Thanks, > > Arni Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 22 15:08:43 2015 Received: (at 21727) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2015 19:08:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33213 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpLEB-00070m-CJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:08:43 -0400 Received: from hafgarpur.hafro.is ([130.208.64.48]:46686) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpLE9-00070d-5L for 21727@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:08:42 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at hafro.is Received: from hafurtask.hafro.is (hafurtask.hafro.is [130.208.61.60]) by hafgarpur.hafro.is (8.14.4/8.14.4/hafro-2.48) with ESMTP id t9MJ8dEe013917; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:08:39 GMT Received: from hafurtask.hafro.is (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hafurtask.hafro.is (8.14.4/8.14.4/hafro-1.6) with ESMTP id t9MJ8dLU028251; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:08:39 GMT Received: from localhost (arnima@localhost) by hafurtask.hafro.is (8.14.4/8.14.4/hafro-0.3) with ESMTP id t9MJ8dGP028247; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:08:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: hafurtask.hafro.is: arnima owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:08:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Arni Magnusson To: Michael Albinus Subject: Re: bug#21727: Tramp hangs in Windows In-Reply-To: <877fmelvqq.fsf@gmx.de> Message-ID: References: <87pp07qqn1.fsf@gmx.de> <877fmelvqq.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (LRH 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21727 Cc: 21727@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) >> Alas, I'm not able to determine what is improper about my DNS settings, >> if that is the case. Okay, after more experiments I have found out that the problem is not related to DNS settings, after all. > Well, I don't run Windows personally, so my advice might be wrong. But > you could open a cmd.exe window, and try > > # ssh -o ControlPath=%C host.does.not.exist > > Likely, it will hang for you. Yes, indeed, that was a useful test. The problem is that Windows XP and Windows 7 do not have a built-in ssh command. What happens when I type ssh on my Windows machines is that it invokes some random ssh program that happens to be on my machines, but doesn't support the options that Linux users might expect. In other words, calling 'ssh' on a Windows machine with some options will result in an undefined and unpredictable behavior - in my case, hanging. > An alternative could be to install Emacs 25.0.50. This works pretty > stable, and Tramp has changed its test to be used w/o DNS. You find > weekly snapshots at . That's it. Emacs 25 loads Tramp without getting tangled up in the random ssh program that's installed on my machines. I'm sold. Thanks for your help in identifying and solving the problem, Arni From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 22 16:57:10 2015 Received: (at 21727-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2015 20:57:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33293 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpMv8-0002bI-Cj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:57:10 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:50774) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpMv5-0002b2-SF for 21727-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:57:08 -0400 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.35.126]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M6AbC-1aizhe1EF8-00yADb; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 22:57:00 +0200 From: Michael Albinus To: Arni Magnusson Subject: Re: bug#21727: Tramp hangs in Windows References: <87pp07qqn1.fsf@gmx.de> <877fmelvqq.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 22:56:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Arni Magnusson's message of "Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:08:39 +0000 (UTC)") Message-ID: <87si52k4f8.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:uFKF1FgJP0EHDUBeyKYp2SMGvXdp/xvO9EbeetnHrJLCP5YRw/S ZW+ggUz9mOAcrnIOuf+yY73J5eRi1b0YcJxMCo5gSgXvIZ7tPnQcdK5h+KZAXu2qCgp/K11 jSNa2PRJXYwsmafEOai7at0Z1yxmziuYDBCVTzIoWbmng7thh39YJxk0k6zJR5hLXsn5j4C tFQIesQYeWCBLKL4oTjGA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:tkEWgUcGtJw=:RRzPo3T1n+SOR4ruCGAhKm LRQzoUXqN75poASpCUIpZXWOgpCptEeouFPSsoKsU0HhgCoPomtxkIAcbLT0qYjpx+LHaU18M FuuBF3RTideL2cruXJmpclxEoDjSX9Qe4sbyaWkmKPNNyRmZPC24pVve2VibruoGg54Ok0lmn 12WeCORDRE8n+dwW0Afk+3VEjBa24+SZriH34KKR1EY/WfH0SD06RFYuuLhTYKTFfTXcsdnHq Royb0efv5cQfmlnnk0Gi/GRKdNAMMT9lrD5nIK/1DGDWCLopitL6t5382FEjsESIXwMEMHhwu jiaV2gjZaO40aOFj5oYsGrL5whORURUQcac3GR/68NaFyHmUC1+S1xvY2N+sbWSIO7UZSnBQ9 p1HHT6NdHbrrXTlt11w2zk0bAvmMLLH+fFZ66UjOpshxVtVcJiOIzFnLL8JwbD6N2tBvakESi SZsfEXP5r/s89rwkEDSPa3CpXqZ9s8KwIK9r8WI58odMG84uv9KOZEQIduPgSHYGldt3ujbLP kZGpvWINAEH8bhUt4NHRbD0FDZmYPKm85P5F4utQ01HCpyw3y/VwyxgK812Yi9FqjW0BlTq+f /uhYh1LrVH9GzwlzGZWrYtGiEZiPYPDvZ9S1xv+UjDPE9kbtpyMwabAGGiQeoihYw2euRDYbd BJpzLyjNp0PhLfht0tOJf9+3IgYzHyquyRxT+1r0mbZQm8u/DKmjOnw0r2KFFFu+dyTqNJUwN QRTqdqvrIkukwXMIfoTDi96ZuLNYKHwwGB8mJYwrbAapcr2KDXpRDs952pk3YsWFESCL8XVGF eND8M+3 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21727-done Cc: 21727-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) tags 21727 notabug Arni Magnusson writes: > What happens when I type ssh on my Windows machines is that it invokes > some random ssh program that happens to be on my machines, but doesn't > support the options that Linux users might expect. In other words, > calling 'ssh' on a Windows machine with some options will result in an > undefined and unpredictable behavior - in my case, hanging. > >> An alternative could be to install Emacs 25.0.50. This works pretty >> stable, and Tramp has changed its test to be used w/o DNS. You find >> weekly snapshots at . > > That's it. Emacs 25 loads Tramp without getting tangled up in the > random ssh program that's installed on my machines. I'm sold. Thanks for your tests, so it isn't a Tramp bug. I'm closing this report. > Thanks for your help in identifying and solving the problem, > > Arni Best regards, Michael. 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