From unknown Sun Jun 15 09:02:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21704: 25.0.50; Package (package.el) doc should mention effects on `load-path' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:25:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 21704 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 21704@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.144517827221456 (code B ref -1); Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:25:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2015 14:24:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55246 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Znosx-0005Zw-Ky for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:24:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55875) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Znosu-0005Zb-TP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:24:29 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Znost-0002TE-N3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:24:28 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:57812) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Znost-0002TA-Jw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:24:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37648) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Znoss-00024p-Ij for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:24:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Znosp-0002Su-Db for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:24:26 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:31820) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Znosp-0002Sc-7D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:24:23 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t9IEOJQh031524 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:24:20 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t9IEOJ6P022386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:24:19 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t9IEOJg8016022 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:24:19 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <489dac34-2cb6-416d-9ef2-301884dd31d8@default> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 07:24:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Apparently (at least from searching package.el and (emacs) `Packages' and its subnodes), nowhere do we tell users the effect of using the package system on `load-path'. (Variable `load-path' is mentioned in a couple of doc strings, but only for "internal-only" functions.) There is this comment in the Commentary of `package.el': ;; At activation time we will set up the load-path and the info path, ;; and we will load the package's autoloads. If a package's ;; dependencies are not available, we will not activate that package. I think it is important (helpful) to explicitly make the connection for users between `load-path' and the package system. Please consider making it clear. Even just a statement such as the one in that comment would help. Here is one demonstration of the confusion that might be avoided if such information were made more readily available: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2015-10/msg00331.html In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-10-06 Bzr revision: a4a98a1b2568793ead43e824ecf227768759df12 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/snapshot/trunk --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib 'CPPFLAGS=3D-DGC_MCHECK=3D1 -Ic:/Devel/emacs/include'' From unknown Sun Jun 15 09:02:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21704: 25.0.50; Package (package.el) doc should mention effects on `load-path' Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 22:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21704 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 21704@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 21704-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21704.14620550751063 (code B ref 21704); Sat, 30 Apr 2016 22:25:02 +0000 Received: (at 21704) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 22:24:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58701 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awdJS-0000H4-Oi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:24:34 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:32955) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awdJR-0000Gx-F3 for 21704@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:24:33 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awdJO-0007gM-SP; Sun, 01 May 2016 00:24:32 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <489dac34-2cb6-416d-9ef2-301884dd31d8@default> Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 00:24:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: <489dac34-2cb6-416d-9ef2-301884dd31d8@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 18 Oct 2015 07:24:19 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87inyy7n1d.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: > Apparently (at least from searching package.el and (emacs) `Packages' > and its subnodes), nowhere do we tell users the effect of using the > package system on `load-path'. (Variable `load-path' is mentioned in a > couple of doc strings, but only for "internal-only" functions.) > > There is this comment in the Commentary of `package.el': > > ;; At activation time we will set up the load-path and the info path, > ;; and we will load the package's autoloads. If a package's > ;; dependencies are not available, we will not activate that package. > > I think it is important (helpful) to explicitly make the connection for > users between `load-path' and the package system. Please consider > making it clear. Even just a statement such as the one in that comment > would help. Do you have a suggestion as to where in the manual we should mention the load-path impact? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sun Jun 15 09:02:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21704: 25.0.50; Package (package.el) doc should mention effects on `load-path' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 01:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21704 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 21704@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 21704-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21704.146206554223074 (code B ref 21704); Sun, 01 May 2016 01:20:01 +0000 Received: (at 21704) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2016 01:19:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58881 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awg2I-000606-3Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 21:19:02 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:33927) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awg2G-0005zd-EU for 21704@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 21:19:00 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u411IqKx014456 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 May 2016 01:18:53 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u411Iqul009551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 May 2016 01:18:52 GMT Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u411IpIC016943; Sun, 1 May 2016 01:18:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 17:18:50 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Drew Adams References: <489dac34-2cb6-416d-9ef2-301884dd31d8@default> <87inyy7n1d.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87inyy7n1d.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > Apparently (at least from searching package.el and (emacs) `Packages' > > and its subnodes), nowhere do we tell users the effect of using the > > package system on `load-path'. (Variable `load-path' is mentioned in a > > couple of doc strings, but only for "internal-only" functions.) > > > > There is this comment in the Commentary of `package.el': > > > > ;; At activation time we will set up the load-path and the info path, > > ;; and we will load the package's autoloads. If a package's > > ;; dependencies are not available, we will not activate that package. > > > > I think it is important (helpful) to explicitly make the connection for > > users between `load-path' and the package system. Please consider > > making it clear. Even just a statement such as the one in that comment > > would help. >=20 > Do you have a suggestion as to where in the manual we should mention the > load-path impact? I'm no expert on package.el or its doc, but I think it should=20 be mentioned somewhere where we introduce using the package system. We should mention what using the package system has as effects. We no doubt explain what it does wrt downloading to certain locations (which you control), automatically byte-compiling, etc. The relation with `load-path' should, I expect, be mentioned in the same general area of the doc. From unknown Sun Jun 15 09:02:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21704: 25.0.50; Package (package.el) doc should mention effects on `load-path' References: <489dac34-2cb6-416d-9ef2-301884dd31d8@default> In-Reply-To: <489dac34-2cb6-416d-9ef2-301884dd31d8@default> Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 04:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21704 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 21704@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Drew Adams Received: via spool by 21704-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21704.14670027146474 (code B ref 21704); Mon, 27 Jun 2016 04:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 21704) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2016 04:45:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57337 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bHOQ6-0001gM-JP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 00:45:14 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f68.google.com ([209.85.218.68]:36177) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bHOQ5-0001g9-LX for 21704@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 00:45:13 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f68.google.com with SMTP id x6so28492977oif.3 for <21704@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 21:45:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=zLhN24w6t0H5uzEEj9pHcovRWWS98SCAFUtpRtaP6kE=; b=WTqH1Rn8tehetwWNrpJ4ExXt9tI2qMxWY+2mZAQZe2trDD+m6GG37hv0arEhERsemU d7BRgyz5A7tW0BNPWT6R9RyMIQczcqnvwzCmmxFuk4EjEkEtZv1528+C5d9qJ2an8gIo ihDS4bhGymAKw28p6+/XxOOLRE2M3M7OsbbfvKH9ApA1FBS96M1Q0KSTnK3SgndwP+Ni uZWYCeG2lWjZYfZRMOIbGjFKiym73NqmGIqIGjX8+8rywjjTUvN1pbFf5ao1LNAHBHZ8 hvT6ePDQWQoW3yUt+A9C6+TPjySM6mxJVPnL9ZDe18zcrVkUkaEKefMedfd2MoXWPKK4 HY3Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject :to:cc; bh=zLhN24w6t0H5uzEEj9pHcovRWWS98SCAFUtpRtaP6kE=; b=O0Atu4XY8ptNGd9SkRkBi7gDsSXRtS5XgbS2yt50qlbb7edurOjT/GG++M4+GH73yS kHzVZyskESRISEUjIjMldSAWKPLW0xfKRYbAonOCJ7sa+vhto52Sv53S2KapS6aAaqaX Am5EJxXw51dh7NXRB0kvO4wokrkQ0GtnMRLQq3SSkW0XG5mGBuiZfhLM1ySTKni8svg9 mvGTxv97xQYlzmhqV9KCWMgG4pmJtFy5B/lf9vFuXEWzFSPiBWY5wa3mylGtmPJL7/Ww hQiCjDLliw3fqDd8/Elmxsh5pDh85U0y3VqZIm4zBNjXBf/yFwAixXOZhgHUy9SjH618 eajQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKjMyW8mI5ezX5A/MYxGSnT8ENQLqWz39xEnIEmlh6uHpciFfBH3/dnFzdiaueUjWUmo13MdB50wu2nJQ== X-Received: by 10.157.17.113 with SMTP id p46mr10513011otp.196.1467002708137; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 21:45:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.52.238 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 00:45:07 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -jeuyqdOmXJfrruEeaHnibce0UQ Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=001a1144fa884db55105363b2fcb X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a1144fa884db55105363b2fcb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Do you have a suggestion as to where in the manual we should mention the > load-path impact? How about in Package Installation? 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Package (package.el) doc should mention effects on `load-path' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 05:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21704 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky , 21704@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen Received: via spool by 21704-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21704.146700609918879 (code B ref 21704); Mon, 27 Jun 2016 05:42:02 +0000 Received: (at 21704) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2016 05:41:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57370 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bHPIh-0004uR-5w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 01:41:39 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:30846) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bHPIf-0004uB-Q7 for 21704@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 01:41:38 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u5R5eo0D030018 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Jun 2016 05:40:50 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u5R5enHg030810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Jun 2016 05:40:50 GMT Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u5R5emFT004587; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 05:40:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <11df6296-59bd-42fe-a40b-adf86d977d57@default> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 22:40:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > Do you have a suggestion as to where in the manual we should mention th= e > > load-path impact? >=20 > How about in Package Installation? (see attached patch) The location might be OK, but I don't see how that text responds to the bug report. I don't see how it "tell[s] users the effect of using the package system on `load-path'." It doesn't "mention what using the package system has as effects [on `load-path']." It doesn't even mention variable `load-path'. Does it have no effect on `load-path'? Does it alter `load-path' (how)? From unknown Sun Jun 15 09:02:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21704: 25.0.50; Package (package.el) doc should mention effects on `load-path' Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 12:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21704 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 21704@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen Received: via spool by 21704-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21704.14670306641307 (code B ref 21704); Mon, 27 Jun 2016 12:32:01 +0000 Received: (at 21704) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2016 12:31:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57552 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bHVgu-0000L0-IP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 08:31:04 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f42.google.com ([209.85.218.42]:35718) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bHVgs-0000KW-PS for 21704@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 08:31:03 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f42.google.com with SMTP id r2so198024010oih.2 for <21704@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 05:31:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=F8I9POgjXCl87PNfm2aSjtG0r+09kkrhbZqdCDaJZoc=; b=ckiLHUjNrAjZFLuTMr3lNUVaK0GK5ilM8oo5878lqGFXn+RwxhIh9rdcb3zJI/7IQa EaD6oSP8zvaY4RXCpyL360aFSkFGDtXF8ry+dmtvC4OBLcJKDh848a8lwutMKVVcxWEH mcJxyPgG1sdriYcl/j+k+WwlL7dXo0lLlKj3ySK+PzJR4sT1Ha0bznrWRJVikL7fZxM2 72bCDtqrxrcMCAbWo/xFxfeBYrvwdwO7oqqwknzQL4vyjoQ0yx7BPBqYzDcKrR+Fv/HS ywx6IxtovOKr748fMib80fQnXME1nICOhLw8g1LgLk7ruJWXUoSO2jHOcSBeSPp9GMp8 suog== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=F8I9POgjXCl87PNfm2aSjtG0r+09kkrhbZqdCDaJZoc=; b=QwK9RbVpxMlehhgzbzyyTK/6rXz+/Qu1bGR/BSFm9ppphGI3XDuCwlFUGo/EjUIPEj SEMATefL8eIiXxmJq9Hzyvo+dNsRFLUTZLbQ4z6NdVBVEzUreeCAxDJLjgBVnU8fbL9K VqzXP2cKoWC5bGvA1AF/CeUBQUO08tqO2weiCrD1LYq/Mwe5wKra+stvLd5LeLUBHtQ0 EuMzJ4PnM5yiu86j1BCg72jJrEe8HIzY5uhxptaO3cC9fXHgPy66V1JhtUJF3zcTtsxF sud2bbiNvT8yVFr8yk4GALcYzhNSXv+BVEen5uC5EaUfCTLWE3LxdDR2ilpaeLelKaQI Vp2A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tL5MxisfR4ArNmyBgyCpFb7oK+6mSMkffKjxDqtpYk+Y8/gIxaAWk2QMAbbpPCQGBt/ZNHZdgKwDJGUYQ== X-Received: by 10.202.181.137 with SMTP id e131mr366439oif.144.1467030657178; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 05:30:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.52.238 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 05:30:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <11df6296-59bd-42fe-a40b-adf86d977d57@default> References: <11df6296-59bd-42fe-a40b-adf86d977d57@default> From: Noam Postavsky Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 08:30:56 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: oDZ5U-yjYOUF47ecuaof2gj3LvI Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Drew Adams wrote: >> > Do you have a suggestion as to where in the manual we should mention the >> > load-path impact? >> >> How about in Package Installation? (see attached patch) > > It doesn't even > mention variable `load-path'. Huh? Did you read the wrong patch? (I've double checked that I posted the right one) +loading a Lisp library (@pxref{Lisp Libraries}); loading a package +adds its directory to @var{load-path} and loads its autoloads. The ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +effect of a package's autoloads varies from package to package. Most From unknown Sun Jun 15 09:02:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21704: 25.0.50; Package (package.el) doc should mention effects on `load-path' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21704 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 21704@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen Received: via spool by 21704-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21704.146703578011319 (code B ref 21704); Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:57:02 +0000 Received: (at 21704) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2016 13:56:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58371 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bHX1Q-0002wV-62 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 09:56:20 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:36574) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bHX1O-0002wI-Qf for 21704@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 09:56:19 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u5RDuAke009093 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:56:12 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u5RDu9Wc023542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:56:10 GMT Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u5RDu79L006086; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:56:08 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 06:56:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <11df6296-59bd-42fe-a40b-adf86d977d57@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) > Huh? Did you read the wrong patch? (I've double checked that I posted > the right one) My bad; sorry. Yes, I read it, but clearly I didn't read it very well! Yes, that seems to do the job. Thx. From unknown Sun Jun 15 09:02:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21704: 25.0.50; Package (package.el) doc should mention effects on `load-path' Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 15:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21704 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 21704@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 21704-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21704.146704191322035 (code B ref 21704); Mon, 27 Jun 2016 15:39:01 +0000 Received: (at 21704) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2016 15:38:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58416 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bHYcL-0005jK-5G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 11:38:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35321) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bHYcI-0005j6-VL for 21704@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 11:38:31 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bHYc9-00067s-EY for 21704@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 11:38:25 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35738) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bHYbx-000643-4U; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 11:38:09 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3427 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bHYbv-0002I2-71; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 11:38:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 18:37:41 +0300 Message-Id: <83r3biy75m.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Noam Postavsky on Mon, 27 Jun 2016 00:45:07 -0400) References: <489dac34-2cb6-416d-9ef2-301884dd31d8@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) > From: Noam Postavsky > Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 00:45:07 -0400 > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen > > > Do you have a suggestion as to where in the manual we should mention the > > load-path impact? > > How about in Package Installation? (see attached patch) Thanks. One comment: > +loading a Lisp library (@pxref{Lisp Libraries}); loading a package > +adds its directory to @var{load-path} and loads its autoloads. The Please use @code{load-path}, not @var. The latter is for things like function arguments, which stand for some particular value, whereas load-path is a literal symbol. From unknown Sun Jun 15 09:02:10 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Drew Adams Subject: bug#21704: closed (Re: bug#21704: 25.0.50; Package (package.el) doc should mention effects on `load-path') Message-ID: References: <489dac34-2cb6-416d-9ef2-301884dd31d8@default> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 21704 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 21704@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 03:20:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1467084002-23662-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1467084002-23662-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #21704: 25.0.50; Package (package.el) doc should mention effects on `load-p= ath' which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 21704@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 21704: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D21704 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1467084002-23662-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 21704-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2016 03:19:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58625 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bHjYJ-00068E-18 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 23:19:07 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f49.google.com ([209.85.218.49]:32935) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bHjYH-00067k-2f for 21704-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 23:19:05 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f49.google.com with SMTP id u201so5514475oie.0 for <21704-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 20:19:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=+eDdx9RNqnKEQbj9oMrfvpbB11U2sRS1DH7jmIygUSM=; b=jREVMxTbzX/6vQUIpTKx2DIBmSw+mwD9CjAWxO0ElDXFBGvwnc4bBU4ag6Icjm0C7C 1AP0iaVX3MvYtmFuHowOqP6KwT6LzbjT1Gv9a4YFJYg/zfI/Ap9F54zu/+V3INjp+mi6 FSCyz0oniXwUGsM5rIWwDiSKKzxFrByEZ5lRSJCoAAJxnWSXQ4GRQ1L4wq8amslALS7+ Zxdi0Qz65MLJDOevSLQfQuAz4uDEHFJvUUkzn61TwJHWNmQq7wMU0bZ5QW1kK62o14hr 652enkKuI8RFEh1mhGsKcA5LSu5VqYNQEYrkc6sx5cD6m8Kq0jm6vpXj5wCN9h4uKwVI TZUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+eDdx9RNqnKEQbj9oMrfvpbB11U2sRS1DH7jmIygUSM=; b=LKHgWxD5t7+5usGH8lMemRwHWe9layjv5JnfoHtN4ic+o3+useefzo3Qbx9g/T1sFj ALss3AyD5G4u/Nr+jhjblw5lxiqsDUPKZIN0TK2xSps8GogeXS9wN+UqdySnx/o//r70 j4WA3YuHizpkAdres05KSXj50NQE6HO0lg67DgA11qKsdIpZDplrlm2MBkzQ93Zp9T3R BTsJ/0S0TmY5YreB9gpp1fqpF08nAIReCkDRklERStha0WOQAL2Aw8W4AtmwCPHVnJFh S3cGPar8z8RxO0SWR5U57+RhgQJv7paKeRLtwsPRGptmIqlnBtrd9hZQn8+pQA6+SpD9 y7/w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tItFAgm4TnCQ2C8DG4uNvyiLOulG6DoyDuHjNAsVbSm/kLWXC2obibroAljAQG+aiSVURRyH1Ha+Y8LDw== X-Received: by 10.157.17.113 with SMTP id p46mr353530otp.196.1467083939613; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 20:18:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.52.238 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 20:18:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83r3biy75m.fsf@gnu.org> References: <489dac34-2cb6-416d-9ef2-301884dd31d8@default> <83r3biy75m.fsf@gnu.org> From: Noam Postavsky Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 23:18:59 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: V6iWX5DTIKozUEyLBzJcFenWESk Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#21704: 25.0.50; Package (package.el) doc should mention effects on `load-path' To: 21704-done@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21704-done Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Version: 25.1 On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Please use @code{load-path}, not @var. 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X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Apparently (at least from searching package.el and (emacs) `Packages' and its subnodes), nowhere do we tell users the effect of using the package system on `load-path'. (Variable `load-path' is mentioned in a couple of doc strings, but only for "internal-only" functions.) There is this comment in the Commentary of `package.el': ;; At activation time we will set up the load-path and the info path, ;; and we will load the package's autoloads. If a package's ;; dependencies are not available, we will not activate that package. I think it is important (helpful) to explicitly make the connection for users between `load-path' and the package system. Please consider making it clear. Even just a statement such as the one in that comment would help. Here is one demonstration of the confusion that might be avoided if such information were made more readily available: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2015-10/msg00331.html In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-10-06 Bzr revision: a4a98a1b2568793ead43e824ecf227768759df12 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/snapshot/trunk --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib 'CPPFLAGS=3D-DGC_MCHECK=3D1 -Ic:/Devel/emacs/include'' ------------=_1467084002-23662-1--