From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:39:05 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21667: 24.5; color-theme-buffer-local package misses a dependency Resent-From: Ryo Furue Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 17:10:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 21667 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 21667@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.144458335216583 (code B ref -1); Sun, 11 Oct 2015 17:10:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2015 17:09:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36369 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlK7T-0004JN-Q4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 13:09:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:32818) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlDCy-0006dL-Nx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:46:25 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlDCu-0004xI-EQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:46:24 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:48777) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlDCu-0004xA-A9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:46:20 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42692) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlDCs-0002Tt-D9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:46:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlDCn-0004tD-Hp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:46:18 -0400 Received: from mail-pa0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::232]:34048) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlDCn-0004t4-BZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:46:13 -0400 Received: by padhy16 with SMTP id hy16so126944639pad.1 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 02:46:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date :to:mime-version; bh=H3szL5t89HXvXENINYFgNMBpM8FS3iXTwRKCSl4m2eM=; b=UcxGDb42oBbpISavPZsQp5n1StYMzDpsJ00JsHs3Ax4f3Z3TYCG2VfFsrDbzFCCN6U i5nbnZRtmtzCM7T9WWfZa5Ke2HZ6vCXmG3w+e93uJynbWxrNg++yYtPLdL2Rd6DXYl1J ScGXE/8Hr1YHMWyN+r0kO96ZpYvImLa+JFSZzvLNU/bkYuBeKdHbePZOvIbJ20YRf4gJ OSg4VZE5Q2i7PQkN6jvHhTuAFXhc5WL0P6l3cpq5n1GsJjxgcxrbJZ22fpzfHRcpJ183 ldW+n4Y1S/ojUFIzUnK6U1mebULMfWXLXknN8/Zgz+N0sePIujKcMIsKU7eyAjnoET6O dr/g== X-Received: by 10.66.160.194 with SMTP id xm2mr27103127pab.111.1444556771642; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 02:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.107] (p23003-ipngn5901hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp. [180.39.214.3]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id jv5sm12061173pbc.47.2015.10.11.02.46.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 11 Oct 2015 02:46:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryo Furue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 18:46:08 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 13:09:10 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Dear emacs maintainers, The "color-theme-buffer-local" package seems to require the "color-theme" package but it doesn't "require" it (that is, doesn't list it as a dependency). I guess this is the reason why I got =E2=80=9CCannot open load file, color-theme" when installing color-theme-buffer-local. This error went away when I first installed the color-theme package before installing the color-theme-buffer-local package. In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin13.4.0, NS apple-appkit-1265.21) of 2015-04-11 on builder10-9.porkrind.org Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1348 Configured using: `configure --with-ns '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application Support/Emacs/site-lisp'' Important settings: value of $LC_COLLATE: C value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Compilation Minor modes in effect: global-whitespace-mode: t show-paren-mode: t global-hl-line-mode: t tooltip-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t global-visual-line-mode: t visual-line-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent messages: Checking /Users/furue/.emacs.d/elpa/color-theme-buffer-local-20120702.1336.= .. Done (Total of 2 files compiled, 1 skipped) Contacting host: melpa.milkbox.net:80 Updating buffer list...done Commands: m, u, t, RET, g, k, S, D, Q; q to quit; h for help Contacting host: melpa.milkbox.net:80 Type "q" to restore previous buffer. Mark set Making completion list... [2 times] Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort flyspell ispell mail-extr emacsbug browse-url color-theme edmacro kmacro wid-edit sendmail reporter tar-mode ibuf-ext ibuffer warnings compile comint ansi-color ring autoload lisp-mnt help-mode misearch multi-isearch mule-util mm-archive message cl-macs format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-utils network-stream starttls url-http tls mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums url-gw url-cache url-auth url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie url-domsuf url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-source eieio byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile cl-extra cconv eieio-core gnus-util mm-util help-fns mail-prsvr password-cache url-vars finder-inf planet-theme zencoding-mode cl gv cl-loaddefs cl-lib disp-table whitespace exec-path-from-shell saveplace paren hl-line tex-site info easymenu package epg-config time-date tooltip electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel ns-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process cocoa ns multi-tty emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 635055 72844) (symbols 48 27928 0) (miscs 40 136 551) (strings 32 67613 13483) (string-bytes 1 1696760) (vectors 16 32433) (vector-slots 8 1284495 155904) (floats 8 83 473) (intervals 56 77683 2025) (buffers 960 19)) From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:39:05 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21667: 24.5; color-theme-buffer-local package misses a dependency Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 18:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21667 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Ryo Furue , 21667@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 21667-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21667.144458741823408 (code B ref 21667); Sun, 11 Oct 2015 18:17:01 +0000 Received: (at 21667) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2015 18:16:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36400 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlLB3-00065U-Qe for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 14:16:58 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:39200) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlLB1-00065J-HU for 21667@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 14:16:56 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t9BIGrvN009067 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Oct 2015 18:16:54 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t9BIGreM002205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Oct 2015 18:16:53 GMT Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t9BIGrCK020994; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 18:16:53 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <330aa056-9242-404e-aa8e-567034b262da@default> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:16:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > The "color-theme-buffer-local" package seems to require the "color- > theme" > package but it doesn't "require" it (that is, doesn't list it as a > dependency). I guess this is the reason why I got =3DE2=3D80=3D9CCannot > open load > file, color-theme" when installing color-theme-buffer-local. This > error > went away when I first installed the color-theme package before > installing the color-theme-buffer-local package. Dunno what "color-theme-buffer-local" package is. I suspect that it is not part of GNU Emacs but is a 3rd-party package. In any case, library `color-theme.el' is not part of Emacs. It is 3rd-party. It is unfortunate that when Emacs added "custom" themes it introduced a lot of confusion wrt custom themes vs color themes. This was compounded by some (rash) statements that the former somehow replaces the latter. The two are different, with only some overlapping features. I'm guessing that you should report this problem to the maintainer of "color-theme-buffer-local" package, not to GNU Emacs development. This page might help with the confusion between custom themes and color themes: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ColorAndCustomThemes From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 11 20:14:46 2015 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2015 00:14:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36562 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlQlK-0006nc-FY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:14:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45385) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlQlI-0006nU-GR for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:14:44 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlQlH-0003px-GP for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:14:44 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54984) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlQlH-0003ps-Di for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:14:43 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlQlG-0000h9-VX for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:14:43 -0400 Subject: control message for bug 21667 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:14:42 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) tag 21667 notabug close 21667 From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:39:05 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21667: 24.5; color-theme-buffer-local package misses a dependency Resent-From: Ryo Furue Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 01:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21667 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Drew Adams Cc: 21667@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 21667-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21667.14446121014658 (code B ref 21667); Mon, 12 Oct 2015 01:09:02 +0000 Received: (at 21667) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2015 01:08:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36590 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlRbA-0001D1-QI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:08:21 -0400 Received: from mail-qg0-f49.google.com ([209.85.192.49]:36181) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlRb8-0001Ct-Qu for 21667@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:08:19 -0400 Received: by qgx61 with SMTP id 61so110222147qgx.3 for <21667@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 18:08:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=FmwQPhzDeAlmf/auFHizvl0Dsaxc9UfkXrZaFjesWfA=; b=mWk1Hw3K1L/nMS+ZeGPavo9ZtXJexoBjLnHseuLoE6VSUWYsEjFyURWZaCjg6RvrkL S95e5w1V6BoqaLb0p4pxuQraT7RNcNfjicPLaR0HqBSObyzpIqgnG2zIudemChGmiG41 lsqZMUKT33D0Fy7nKPOuapUQw4AQYk5lUQ2ApyPSKB5MM6d5EriVyZcKthGBMTEMjvRK Qq6PhQH+H/A5mEHDVY7HOvN4HoNsNNiIPmlt9msQdq8+fATixeWH32FbaunODjv42DMs PSNjgl5Z7hwGf6chxYQGm4FFNI/YXilrCYhELSUdSaI/pZ1Yp2o4Ix80V6v8WeRwX6Ax iNYQ== X-Received: by 10.140.132.209 with SMTP id 200mr30779100qhe.64.1444612098457; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 18:08:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.22.72 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 18:07:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <330aa056-9242-404e-aa8e-567034b262da@default> References: <330aa056-9242-404e-aa8e-567034b262da@default> From: Ryo Furue Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 10:07:39 +0900 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Dear Drew Adams, Thank you for your detailed explanation and sorry for submitting the report to this list. > Dunno what "color-theme-buffer-local" package is. I suspect that > it is not part of GNU Emacs but is a 3rd-party package. I've forwarded the report to the author of that elisp code. (But, I don't know if s/he is the "packager" of it.) For my education, may I ask which part of the emacs package system (package.el ?) belongs to emacs proper? The whole thing? It's always hard to know which part of a big system (another example is LaTeX) is maintained by whom. > It is unfortunate that when Emacs added "custom" themes it > introduced a lot of confusion wrt custom themes vs color themes. > This was compounded by some (rash) statements that the former > somehow replaces the latter. The two are different, with only > some overlapping features. [. . .] So, are both"theming systems" themselves part of emacs proper, even if each theme is 3rd party? Regards, Ryo From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:39:05 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21667: 24.5; color-theme-buffer-local package misses a dependency Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 01:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21667 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Ryo Furue Cc: 21667@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 21667-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21667.14446133136384 (code B ref 21667); Mon, 12 Oct 2015 01:29:02 +0000 Received: (at 21667) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2015 01:28:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36596 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlRui-0001eu-O5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:28:33 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:32550) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlRug-0001el-KX for 21667@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:28:31 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t9C1STI8024399 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Oct 2015 01:28:29 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t9C1SSk5015379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Oct 2015 01:28:29 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t9C1SSqI024703; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 01:28:28 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 18:28:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <330aa056-9242-404e-aa8e-567034b262da@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > For my education, may I ask which part of the emacs package system > (package.el ?) belongs to emacs proper? The whole thing? It's > always hard to know which part of a big system (another example is LaTeX) > is maintained by whom. Someone else can answer that better than I. But I think that all of the code involved specifically with accessing, downloading, and installing Emacs libraries belongs to Emacs. But perhaps it also depends on what you really mean - by "belong" and by "Emacs proper", for instance. Certainly `package.el' is the heart of what is involved, if it is not all of it, and that is part of GNU Emacs as distributed. > > It is unfortunate that when Emacs added "custom" themes it > > introduced a lot of confusion wrt custom themes vs color themes. > > This was compounded by some (rash) statements that the former > > somehow replaces the latter. The two are different, with only > > some overlapping features. > [. . .] >=20 > So, are both"theming systems" themselves part of emacs proper, even > if each theme is 3rd party? Dunno what "Emacs proper" means; sorry. `color-theme.el' is not included as part of GNU Emacs. It is a 3rd-party library.