From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:09:51 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#21643 <21643@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#21643 <21643@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 25.0.50; Error " is undefined" Reply-To: bug#21643 <21643@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 14:09:51 +0000 retitle 21643 25.0.50; Error " is undefined" reassign 21643 emacs submitter 21643 Drew Adams severity 21643 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 07 18:16:09 2015 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2015 22:16:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59369 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zjx0K-00067s-U8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 18:16:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43014) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zjx0I-00067k-2J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 18:16:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zjx0F-0008Dq-EN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 18:16:05 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:41049) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zjx0F-0008Dk-BS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 18:16:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52877) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zjx0D-0006vE-VU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 18:16:03 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zjx09-00088R-Lj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 18:16:01 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:29074) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zjx09-00087z-Ce for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 18:15:57 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t97MFu6D028144 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2015 22:15:56 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t97MFu1B002393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2015 22:15:56 GMT Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t97MFt8A002633 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2015 22:15:56 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3f16785a-2105-4715-b6ab-b7b2298dc3ca@default> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 15:15:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.0.50; Error " is undefined" X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) I see the new behavior described below ever since this build: GNU Emacs 24.4.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-08-15 on LEG570 I do not see it in this build or older: GNU Emacs 24.4.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-06-28 on ODIEONE The behavior: In a standalone minibuffer frame that is two lines tall, in an inactive minibuffer, I click mouse-1 near the bottom of the frame (so, somewhere in the second of the two frame lines). In the old builds, I get the keys and described in *Help*, as usual: at that spot runs the command mouse-drag-region, which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `mouse.el'. It is bound to down-mouse-1. ... at that spot runs the command mouse-set-point, which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `mouse.el'. It is bound to mouse-1. ... In the newer builds I get only these messages in *Messages*, each preceded by a ding: is undefined is undefined I'm guessing that that position in the frame is somehow considered to be on a different GUI element, and this results in Emacs sending a pseudo function key . 1. Could someone please explain what I'm seeing? What is ? What GUI element does Emacs think I am clicking on? 2. How can I bind these keys, whatever and wherever they are, to the usual commands, so that I can get the behavior I want? This matters to me because I redefine `mouse-drag-region' so that a `mouse-1' click in the inactive minibuffer when *Messages* is already shown has the effect of `M-x'. IOW, if *Messages* is not shown then `mouse-1' shows it, and if it is already shown then `M-x' is invoked. With whatever was changed in Emacs, this now works only if you click `mouse-1' somewhere on the first line of the minibuffer frame (even if after eob). If you click on the second line then I get the odd behavior described above. The minibuffer frame has these frame parameters: ((tool-bar-position . top) (parent-id) (explicit-name . t) (display . "w32") (visibility . t) (icon-name) (window-id . "724602") (top . 990) (left . 0) (buried-buffer-list) (buffer-list # # #) (unsplittable . t) (minibuffer . only) (modeline) (width . 240) (height . 2) (name . "Emacs minibuffer show/hide: hold CTRL + c= lick in window") (cursor-color . "Black") (background-mode . light) (display-type . color) (desktop-dont-save . t) (fringe . 0) (scroll-bar-height . 0) (scroll-bar-width . 0) (cursor-type . bar) (auto-lower) (auto-raise) (icon-type) (fullscreen) (title) (buffer-predicate) (tool-bar-lines . 0) (menu-bar-lines . 0) (alpha) (right-fringe . 0) (left-fringe . 0) (line-spacing) (screen-gamma) (border-color . "black") (mouse-color . "Black") (background-color . "LightBlue") (foreground-color . "Red") (horizontal-scroll-bars) (vertical-scroll-bars) (bottom-divider-width . 2) (right-divider-width . 2) (internal-border-width . 0) (border-width . 2) (font . "-outline-Lucida Console-normal-normal-normal-mono-14-*-*-*-c-*-is= o8859-1") (font-parameter . "-*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1") (font-backend uniscribe gdi)) In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-10-06 Bzr revision: a4a98a1b2568793ead43e824ecf227768759df12 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/snapshot/trunk --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib 'CPPFLAGS=3D-DGC_MCHECK=3D1 -Ic:/Devel/emacs/include'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 08 11:09:58 2015 Received: (at 21643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Oct 2015 15:09:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32778 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkCpR-0000El-OB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2015 11:09:57 -0400 Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:43474) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkCpP-0000Eb-NA for 21643@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2015 11:09:56 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NVW00H00PTJP200@mtaout28.012.net.il> for 21643@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2015 18:09:24 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NVW00CXFQ3OW560@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Thu, 08 Oct 2015 18:09:24 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 18:09:56 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#21643: 25.0.50; Error " is undefined" In-reply-to: <3f16785a-2105-4715-b6ab-b7b2298dc3ca@default> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83vbahcs6z.fsf@gnu.org> References: <3f16785a-2105-4715-b6ab-b7b2298dc3ca@default> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21643 Cc: 21643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 15:15:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > In a standalone minibuffer frame that is two lines tall, in an inactive > minibuffer, I click mouse-1 near the bottom of the frame (so, somewhere > in the second of the two frame lines). Can you please provide a complete recipe, starting from "emacs -Q", for creating such a frame? That should make reproducing the problem much easier. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 08 14:39:52 2015 Received: (at 21643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Oct 2015 18:39:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32944 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkG6Z-0008PA-Rx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2015 14:39:52 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:43197) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkG6X-0008P1-VY for 21643@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2015 14:39:50 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t98Idmr9009252 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Oct 2015 18:39:48 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t98Idlkw019188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Oct 2015 18:39:47 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t98IdkAH010471; Thu, 8 Oct 2015 18:39:47 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <59204c8a-71b5-4a2a-b6c6-394e932def02@default> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 11:39:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#21643: 25.0.50; Error " is undefined" References: <<3f16785a-2105-4715-b6ab-b7b2298dc3ca@default>> <<83vbahcs6z.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83vbahcs6z.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="__1444329586737266149abhmp0001.oracle.com" X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21643 Cc: 21643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) --__1444329586737266149abhmp0001.oracle.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Can you please provide a complete recipe, starting from "emacs -Q", > for creating such a frame? That should make reproducing the problem > much easier. It took me a while to narrow it down. But I think this is minimal - seems like everything here is needed. See attached file, onetest4.el. 1. Start Emacs with an MS Windows shortcut that has this target: runemacs.exe -Q --debug-init -l "onetest4.el" -f "1on1-emacs" "onetest4.el" 2. Click the title bar of the minibuffer frame (not needed, but just to make sure the frame is selected. 3. C-h k 4. Click mouse-1 somewhere in the second line of the minibuffer frame. You see this message: (translated from ) at that spot is undef= ined Click again. You see this message: is undefined Check buffer *Messages*, and you see something like this: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. (translated from ) at that spot is undef= ined is undefined is undefined --__1444329586737266149abhmp0001.oracle.com Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="onetest4.el" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="onetest4.el" OzsgcnVuZW1hY3MuZXhlIC1RIC0tZGVidWctaW5pdCAgLWwgIm9uZXRlc3Q0LmVsIiAtZiAiMW9u MS1lbWFjcyIgIm9uZXRlc3Q0LmVsIgoKCihkZWZ1biAxb24xLWVtYWNzICgpCiAgIiIKICAoaW50 ZXJhY3RpdmUpCiAgKHNldHEgZGVmYXVsdC1mcmFtZS1hbGlzdAogICAgICAgIChsaXN0CiAgICAg ICAgICcoZm9udCAuICItKi1MdWNpZGEgQ29uc29sZS1ub3JtYWwtci0qLSotMTQtKi0qLSotYy0q LWlzbzg4NTktMSIpCiAgICAgICAgICcoYm90dG9tLWRpdmlkZXItd2lkdGggLiAyKQogICAgICAg ICAnKG1pbmlidWZmZXIpKSkKICAoc2V0cSBwb3AtdXAtZnJhbWVzICB0KQogIChzZXRxIG1pbmli dWZmZXItZnJhbWUtYWxpc3QgKGxpc3QgJyhoZWlnaHQgLiAyKQogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgJyhtaW5pYnVmZmVyIC4gb25seSkpKSkK --__1444329586737266149abhmp0001.oracle.com-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 08 15:32:19 2015 Received: (at 21643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Oct 2015 19:32:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33045 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkGvK-0001F8-AN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2015 15:32:18 -0400 Received: from mtaout26.012.net.il ([80.179.55.182]:35120) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkGvC-0001Eu-Lt for 21643@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2015 15:32:12 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout26.012.net.il by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NVX0000029RWN00@mtaout26.012.net.il> for 21643@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2015 22:35:08 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NVX00NDP2EKOB20@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Thu, 08 Oct 2015 22:35:08 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 22:32:11 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#21643: 25.0.50; Error " is undefined" In-reply-to: <59204c8a-71b5-4a2a-b6c6-394e932def02@default> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams , martin rudalics Message-id: <83oag9cg1w.fsf@gnu.org> References: <3f16785a-2105-4715-b6ab-b7b2298dc3ca@default> <83vbahcs6z.fsf@gnu.org> <59204c8a-71b5-4a2a-b6c6-394e932def02@default> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21643 Cc: 21643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 11:39:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 21643@debbugs.gnu.org > > 1. Start Emacs with an MS Windows shortcut that has this target: > runemacs.exe -Q --debug-init -l "onetest4.el" -f "1on1-emacs" "onetest4.el" > > 2. Click the title bar of the minibuffer frame (not needed, but > just to make sure the frame is selected. > > 3. C-h k > > 4. Click mouse-1 somewhere in the second line of the minibuffer frame. > > You see this message: > (translated from ) at that spot is undefined Thanks. There's clearly some display bug that shows in the minibuffer frame: look carefully and you will see that the fringes and the scroll bar only extend for a single line there. The second line is some kind of "no-man's land", which explains the "nil" part in the mouse event. If you drag the lower edge of the minibuffer frame by even a single pixel, then return it back to its original (or even smaller) height, the problem with the fringes goes away, and so does the problem with the mouse click. I will take a look. Martin, this looks somewhat similar to the problem you solved the other day, whereby "M-x" echo would not be visible. So maybe you could look into this as well, if you have time. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 08 16:40:54 2015 Received: (at 21643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Oct 2015 20:40:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33090 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkHzi-0002sj-9X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2015 16:40:54 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:22512) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkHzf-0002sb-Th for 21643@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2015 16:40:52 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t98KenIR001624 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Oct 2015 20:40:50 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t98KenC9018141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Oct 2015 20:40:49 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t98KenWc015931; Thu, 8 Oct 2015 20:40:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <66813733-d176-4d6f-aa53-f6682300af4b@default> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 13:40:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams , martin rudalics Subject: RE: bug#21643: 25.0.50; Error " is undefined" References: <<3f16785a-2105-4715-b6ab-b7b2298dc3ca@default>> <<83vbahcs6z.fsf@gnu.org>> <<59204c8a-71b5-4a2a-b6c6-394e932def02@default>> <<83oag9cg1w.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83oag9cg1w.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21643 Cc: 21643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > Thanks. There's clearly some display bug that shows in the > minibuffer > frame: look carefully and you will see that the fringes and the > scroll > bar only extend for a single line there. The second line is some > kind > of "no-man's land", which explains the "nil" part in the mouse > event. >=20 > If you drag the lower edge of the minibuffer frame by even a single > pixel, then return it back to its original (or even smaller) height, > the problem with the fringes goes away, and so does the problem with > the mouse click. Yes, I figured nearly as much, even in my setup (where I don't show fringe)= . FWIW, in Emacs 19 there was such a no-man's land underneath each scroll bar (everywhere, not minibuffer frame). And I used that "feature" by binding keys there. I was disappointed when this "feature" was removed. ;-= ) This is the code I used for that: ;;; ;; These [nil] bindings are no doubt a HACK, based on an ;;; ;; undocumented handy "feature". (This works in Emacs 19.34.6, ;;; ;; but it doesn't work in Emacs 20.6.) In Windows, at least, ;;; ;; such a key sequence [nil...] occurs if you click in the ;;; ;; lower right corner, between the scroll bar and the mode-line. ;;; ;; ;;; (global-set-key [nil down-mouse-1] 'fit-frame) ;;; (global-set-key [nil mouse-1] 'ignore) ;;; (global-set-key [nil C-down-mouse-1] 'show-hide) ;;; (global-set-key [nil C-mouse-1] 'ignore) ;;; (global-set-key [nil S-down-mouse-1] 'iconify-everything) ;;; (global-set-key [nil S-mouse-1] 'ignore) I had a hunch that this was akin to the nil in that feature. > I will take a look. Thank you. > Martin, this looks somewhat similar to the problem you solved the > other day, whereby "M-x" echo would not be visible. So maybe you > could look into this as well, if you have time. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 08 17:03:35 2015 Received: (at 21643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Oct 2015 21:03:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33097 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkILe-0004yb-Sr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2015 17:03:35 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:51944) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkILc-0004yS-Sc for 21643@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2015 17:03:33 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t98L3V2x026782 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Oct 2015 21:03:32 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t98L3VEF013977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Oct 2015 21:03:31 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t98L3U2s028668; Thu, 8 Oct 2015 21:03:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0dce9127-fa90-4953-a3d4-7784a0500320@default> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 14:03:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , martin rudalics Subject: RE: bug#21643: 25.0.50; Error " is undefined" References: <<3f16785a-2105-4715-b6ab-b7b2298dc3ca@default>> <<83vbahcs6z.fsf@gnu.org>> <<59204c8a-71b5-4a2a-b6c6-394e932def02@default>> <<83oag9cg1w.fsf@gnu.org>> <66813733-d176-4d6f-aa53-f6682300af4b@default> In-Reply-To: <66813733-d176-4d6f-aa53-f6682300af4b@default> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21643 Cc: 21643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > FWIW, in Emacs 19 there was such a no-man's land underneath each > scroll bar (everywhere, not minibuffer frame). And I used that > "feature" by binding keys there. I was disappointed when this > "feature" was removed. ;-) =20 FWIW, here is a 2004 reference to this "feature", in a discussion about handles for dragging window dividers: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2004-10/msg00125.html From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 09 06:07:09 2015 Received: (at 21643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2015 10:07:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33358 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkUZx-0006iQ-HC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 06:07:09 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:52700) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkUZw-0006iI-5i for 21643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 06:07:08 -0400 Received: from [188.23.125.131] ([188.23.125.131]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LraSn-1aktEt3dxV-013RRq; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 12:07:07 +0200 Message-ID: <561791C3.90806@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 12:06:59 +0200 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#21643: 25.0.50; Error " is undefined" References: <3f16785a-2105-4715-b6ab-b7b2298dc3ca@default> <83vbahcs6z.fsf@gnu.org> <59204c8a-71b5-4a2a-b6c6-394e932def02@default> <83oag9cg1w.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83oag9cg1w.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:yD6eim4iHN8EAJm5r0gIHZHJMZHTDTZjb//fAZzMMM+7eAu91FF p9RJiy4kdVP1e+NcYwl81gNpGPfDF4EwvPIqhiOwgbjGK8KuXHa27C48D9khtFaAyQb5xJg dDlzk7dQXE8rYWQcDK9GYtRzEDSSQ/y8kNkg4q92OH1YCgAqiugYTMSizRqvM4IyHLgM6En 6OpvRjoyK+hwfHKkXGmkw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:vJUAArUe3G0=:S56AVy0QqxV1U8V91PQ5vS ktJfVBeM5NwnAsxuFqxAsghtBSn+rhK96gwAte3uQXNliVbgdm3d2je0quzXZ2dcQDGzqvNc+ AZkzh3q1EmUPBhEUoPBhiDTgF6M2vycycdEvK3e7wM/kK3IR3tcBVoJD5d/E2ElpxgTYfGvhN 6dorn3dWdK0ENLxULDTQRB4rO1IlGb0Blpo8f9gQgcnqIy43zs94f+rO3ROAp86jn7TEPHkkR Y7ATDWHWjvOjxLkw0vXJZhMxuJC0yqsPLxCrMmMnSe7AHjDh0js2OnHu+NUBnjppASRxJ/qiV ghPFVRm9iE7JUTMia6QF/FUSqIdhOqgm6UvIPH1NSvh4t0RccZp3T0AHOuEhMiD0uI37Sps4y xsgi7EEZpcvAwGDAtEKugo5coDkgl1Wl6QqvdPKCTow7DjUAufWVRsKPqpPgRPMkxNAeXybP/ tN23JR1Qd6ykW5LI2f3W0JW1/TqwveOqjNJIEtqlxKGS8NdUcHXYvkdZnmpFIkH2hvizy0bXc wytAYlqynk+/yam8oZ2JOzSOwByN58nER6D88ANJEl51QAjTTdPpwU6B3cYerfL8db8xQDf6x VuPvy3izRXtxhWKPHLPRzB+i0J3HcXTpmkwW4WSisk6ZnZGcWc2XcYD6swot2BsfXhcUIyXC4 YfnZvj0i3VXz0hN59EvSfaoJewjwZKroquWEjvvcHtLDclG9L1vBlcFGPOQJmY+jOSkEu7aZk EWfU6ycoK9xF1Mx1Ir4RKxrRKRa0LXbrFdxLJ/gulkUfZ+BlcSQOfMdV7oZa1a4TQSvA4hPg9 PAyqIHB X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21643 Cc: 21643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) > Martin, this looks somewhat similar to the problem you solved the > other day, whereby "M-x" echo would not be visible. So maybe you > could look into this as well, if you have time. Should be fixed now. The bug could be triggered only by giving the minibuffer height twice the height it had before. It goes without saying that Drew succeeded. Thanks for making it easily reproducible, martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 09 08:56:37 2015 Received: (at 21643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2015 12:56:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33443 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkXDu-0003iL-Ur for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 08:56:36 -0400 Received: from mtaout27.012.net.il ([80.179.55.183]:38714) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkXDp-0003i8-5g for 21643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 08:56:30 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout27.012.net.il by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NVY00J00E20ED00@mtaout27.012.net.il> for 21643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 15:52:22 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NVY00IPKEF95X20@mtaout27.012.net.il>; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 15:52:22 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 15:56:20 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#21643: 25.0.50; Error " is undefined" In-reply-to: <561791C3.90806@gmx.at> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: martin rudalics Message-id: <83wpuwtd3f.fsf@gnu.org> References: <3f16785a-2105-4715-b6ab-b7b2298dc3ca@default> <83vbahcs6z.fsf@gnu.org> <59204c8a-71b5-4a2a-b6c6-394e932def02@default> <83oag9cg1w.fsf@gnu.org> <561791C3.90806@gmx.at> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21643 Cc: 21643@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 12:06:59 +0200 > From: martin rudalics > CC: 21643@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Martin, this looks somewhat similar to the problem you solved the > > other day, whereby "M-x" echo would not be visible. So maybe you > > could look into this as well, if you have time. > > Should be fixed now. The bug could be triggered only by giving the > minibuffer height twice the height it had before. It goes without > saying that Drew succeeded. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 09 09:05:44 2015 Received: (at 21643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2015 13:05:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33451 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkXMl-0003wI-Qd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 09:05:44 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:42999) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZkXMk-0003wA-19 for 21643@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 09:05:42 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t99D5ebd009501 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Oct 2015 13:05:41 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t99D5eGc008731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Oct 2015 13:05:40 GMT Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t99D5d25026778; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 13:05:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3aed2afc-6238-42b7-87ed-969f2352ab6b@default> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 06:05:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , martin rudalics Subject: RE: bug#21643: 25.0.50; Error " is undefined" References: <<3f16785a-2105-4715-b6ab-b7b2298dc3ca@default>> <<83vbahcs6z.fsf@gnu.org>> <<59204c8a-71b5-4a2a-b6c6-394e932def02@default>> <<83oag9cg1w.fsf@gnu.org>> <<561791C3.90806@gmx.at>> <<83wpuwtd3f.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83wpuwtd3f.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21643 Cc: 21643@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > Thanks. That was quick. Thx. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 29 18:14:10 2019 Received: (at 21643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 22:14:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56004 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEhSC-0006YL-Tg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:14:09 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f196.google.com ([209.85.215.196]:45110) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEhSB-0006Xn-4T for 21643@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:14:07 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f196.google.com with SMTP id q7so6212802pgi.12 for <21643@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 15:14:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Bu6eXITIkK2DEfR0/N/MEfp2nwIY0v3TV0ZBccADz1M=; b=HLqm5VIYwYPFg6FLs8klcQOUDb6dwjuw+F/SOYL+jZ3/lRoezmVjY5BZebEOZbd/D3 cHcUSHnRntjTCU/yb3/gcfM1+wOUQ8uaIbupstGauea1n9GZMDpNUDKdQMTscUZ20kRP 523yt+MRyPzIDPSGTbA+1gDEJIjhBQe/H4LfBd6l0rhg6sWb1uyS1D718YHYtVcrziSW vrvIO0S/PLyFKrT2Xb+G8Ntu+mRREUi2PpGMttlbhLM6ld0XjRYBUDm7xMFkYQkznoaI k9tUoCkPexsA+43DoC0qKTXPM1oqCYq7oclxB0kFt1B+QNQbcpsGcxR9gr22d7sB1JVW 92FA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVEsbKflrG+FQ+Q+l7bZYT8Wqid3NCVZkfZbp/YyhjMivUVxBle j+eOjWcJiEm4PlFXau1BkugXxueNwu2aHQRKEn8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw8q/JKX7NQeM+kCTecXOBDjLKE3cT5wCSIG33jNTSWO2jMjLFjUvJVlEeCnra5ZQTOJIs6GqzPFqsoO8teFqA= X-Received: by 2002:a63:1310:: with SMTP id i16mr19560126pgl.200.1569795241443; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 15:14:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 00:13:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#21643: 25.0.50; Error " is undefined" To: martin rudalics Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21643 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 21643@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) close 21643 25.1 thanks martin rudalics writes: >> Martin, this looks somewhat similar to the problem you solved the >> other day, whereby "M-x" echo would not be visible. So maybe you >> could look into this as well, if you have time. > > Should be fixed now. The bug could be triggered only by giving the > minibuffer height twice the height it had before. It goes without > saying that Drew succeeded. > > Thanks for making it easily reproducible, martin This was fixed at the time: commit e6013e8c8f3de0ca39c17a2da95346b4a320e6d0 Author: Martin Rudalics Date: Fri Oct 9 11:55:06 2015 +0200 In adjust_frame_size don't count minibuffer height twice (Bug#21643) * src/frame.c (adjust_frame_size): In minibuffer-only windows don't count minibuffer height twice. (Bug#21643) I'm therefore closing this bug report. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:09:51 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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