From unknown Sun Aug 17 01:58:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21508: 24.5; "#" key in italian keyboard on Mac OS X doesn't work Resent-From: Giulio Marcon Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 21508 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 21508@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.144250968810073 (code B ref -1); Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:09:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Sep 2015 17:08:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36300 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZccfI-0002cO-0P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:08:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59508) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcZmZ-0006Kt-A8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:03:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcZmP-00011a-Rc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:03:27 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:47003) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcZmP-00011W-Pr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:03:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41252) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcZmK-0003Ys-AI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:03:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcZmH-000105-Lk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:03:12 -0400 Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]:32854) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcZmH-0000zx-5L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:03:09 -0400 Received: by wiclk2 with SMTP id lk2so25444793wic.0 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 07:03:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date :to:mime-version; bh=gUPZ2iSHmtxHA672lVQfY9NzFbeGXuA0EPae5+uhKMs=; b=humjIWW+JxGKsRPC2I43K8dD8HWOAu6bevG37uTtTSxqLMlddSEbL7Pwg+LZ0I0c63 8yzBkj8+E7JmvgDX15ZL/YjdlEalJOPJFcvDNoc0RR4h/392l6VJ6iEeTrSWYjicBx3T tf8cYCN6WSVnVZDihsgBr5qjavGtvhE+YcAMx2raVcPrqkssfP/iVbb/6GBiBoIpEKDR q/gOIg7qWCdIs+3vjWXElWGXcnRCMuOwTZnQu0oBui8EKiB7W9d1/A5HKzHRqw87BbKY IasKkurymi1gmzAtWUTlCoCHFAslg869RQGC8U8BPBidSWAL9ZwW6dA1RBul7HR/x9RB Pxiw== X-Received: by 10.180.219.106 with SMTP id pn10mr8441024wic.56.1442498586770; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 07:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.196.217.49] ([193.205.210.43]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id jc9sm10262341wic.6.2015.09.17.07.03.05 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 17 Sep 2015 07:03:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Giulio Marcon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0D185374-D500-4C0F-9395-3AC5CBF1D694@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:03:04 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). 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X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:08:06 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) "#" key in italian keyboard on Mac OS X doesn't work, becouse the keyboard doesn't have alt gr.The Error is "M-=C3=A0 is undefined".= From unknown Sun Aug 17 01:58:19 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Giulio Marcon Subject: bug#21508: closed (Re: 24.5; "#" key in italian keyboard on Mac OS X doesn't work) Message-ID: References: <0D185374-D500-4C0F-9395-3AC5CBF1D694@gmail.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 21508 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 21508@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2016 14:37:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1451831822-13105-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1451831822-13105-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #21508: 24.5; "#" key in italian keyboard on Mac OS X doesn't work which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 21508@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 21508: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D21508 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1451831822-13105-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 21508-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2016 14:36:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35928 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aFjlK-0003O3-5h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 09:36:02 -0500 Received: from mail-vk0-f41.google.com ([209.85.213.41]:36848) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aFjlI-0003NZ-83 for 21508-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 09:36:00 -0500 Received: by mail-vk0-f41.google.com with SMTP id f2so199831304vkb.3 for <21508-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 06:36:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=LWekXIEEfZ9VofjrG3Em3UcwU2qlo5syOiEv9gWIjbQ=; b=NuupO/Kq0xkQ7WROdQaicEFtubTSuWAX8syibdkdhiq6Aab6VL+kZG0fgB2uBQ86Vm d/ECSb05k/NF9rhvACsxEjytkF5MPJXQ77xPEgmWlGXpVnB6upLIGzKKk1zxiIVuB8YM S+T5egICK1DEJQLgKgsnYr8CXvEq3untGxrmxy+ACDJ3Tbmmz3KQEjvlUSxa/TS1u2G6 xe/Tj+sQBaMRHzWEOeWcUPHUQ+LJsF9cN3E8csUFIzi5c3U1fL2778YNJh2TIEA11wEK Ljjvo1vFQ4BKq30LZaM+42iNshjJo/i9kxpisWbwXcbKnSEFdOQekNc4OUjXG8DfynNe Og6A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.8.83 with SMTP id 80mr58417055vki.105.1451831754709; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 06:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.214.131 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jan 2016 06:35:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 15:35:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 24.5; "#" key in italian keyboard on Mac OS X doesn't work From: Anders Lindgren To: 21508-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Giulio Marcon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1145542e03602605286eecbf X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21508-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a1145542e03602605286eecbf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi! Unfortunately, the default keyboard layout of Emacs binds CMD to "Super" and ALT to "Meta". While this work when using an American keyboard, it is not good for us european users. Fortunately, it's relative easy to configure this yourself. One common layout is to bind CMD to "Meta" and ALT to "compose": (setq ns-command-modifier 'meta) (setq ns-alternate-modifier nil) Another layout is to keep the left ALT key as Meta and bind the right ALT to "compose": (setq ns-right-alternate-modifier nil) I have tried to convince the Emacs people to change the defaults, but a lot of people objected, so it was impossible to agree upon a solution. See https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-12/msg01575.html for details. (The thread goes into 2016-01 as well, but the web interface only shows the messages in December.) -- Anders Lindgren --001a1145542e03602605286eecbf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi!

Unfortunately, the default keyboard= layout of Emacs binds CMD to "Super" and ALT to "Meta"= . While this work when using an American keyboard, it is not good for us eu= ropean users.

Fortunately, it's relative easy = to configure this yourself.

One common layout is t= o bind CMD to "Meta" and ALT to "compose":
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0(setq ns-command-modifier 'meta)
<= div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (setq=C2=A0ns-alternate-modifier nil)

Another layout is to keep the left ALT key as Meta and bind the right= ALT to "compose":

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (setq= =C2=A0ns-right-alternate-modifier nil)

I have trie= d to convince the Emacs people to change the defaults, but a lot of people = objected, so it was impossible to agree upon a solution. See=C2=A0h= ttps://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-12/msg01575.html for= details. (The thread goes into 2016-01 as well, but the web interface only= shows the messages in December.)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 --= Anders Lindgren

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