From unknown Thu Sep 11 03:07:34 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#2150 <2150@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#2150 <2150@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.0.90; rmail-ignored-headers is not autoloaded Reply-To: bug#2150 <2150@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 10:07:34 +0000 retitle 2150 23.0.90; rmail-ignored-headers is not autoloaded reassign 2150 emacs submitter 2150 Eli Zaretskii severity 2150 normal thanks From eliz@gnu.org Sun Feb 1 21:57:10 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 2 Feb 2009 05:57:10 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n125v7Do026976 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:57:08 -0800 Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LTrmD-0007QQ-J7 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:55:21 -0500 From: Eli Zaretskii To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Subject: 23.0.90; rmail-ignored-headers is not autoloaded Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii Message-Id: Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:55:21 -0500 In previous Emacs versions, rmail-ignored-headers was autoloaded, but not in 23.0.90. This causes failures at startup if your ~/.emacs customizes that option. 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Mark saved where search started Quit Making completion list... [3 times] Mark saved where search started From rgm@gnu.org Sun Feb 1 23:04:34 2009 Received: (at 2150) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 2 Feb 2009 07:04:34 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n1274VKB010852 for <2150@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 23:04:33 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LTspR-0000JZ-PD; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:02:45 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 2150@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#2150: 23.0.90; rmail-ignored-headers is not autoloaded References: X-Spook: White House Albanian North Korea Islam Abduganievich X-Ran: 9#GWK;y;QU4VIk+JE8r[jf`POF_g!3/M+@UT?]y{8luO"rgwIX?BS$b X-Hue: cyan X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:02:45 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Eli Zaretskii wrote: > In previous Emacs versions, rmail-ignored-headers was autoloaded, but > not in 23.0.90. This causes failures at startup if your ~/.emacs > customizes that option. That would depend on how you customize it (presumably you modify it in some way that accesses the default value, rather than just setting it unconditionally); but obviously just add the autoload back again if it's causing problems. (In general, some files seem to have been written under the assumption that all defcustoms should be autoloaded. I think this is bogus, but once this assumption has been made, it can become impossible to ever take the autoloads away, for the reason you report here.) From rgm@gnu.org Sun Feb 1 23:11:53 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 2 Feb 2009 07:11:53 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.0 required=4.0 tests=MURPHY_DRUGS_REL8, VALID_BTS_CONTROL,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n127Bpnq013959 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 23:11:52 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LTswV-0000VE-Ll; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:10:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18822.40011.133086.730105@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 02:10:03 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: control message X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes reassign 2139 spam reassign 2142 spam reassign 2143 spam reassign 2141 emacs,cc-mode reassign 2135 emacs,rmail reassign 2137 emacs,rmail reassign 2150 emacs,rmail severity 2145 wishlist tags 2134 - patch merge 801 2134 From rgm@gnu.org Sun Feb 1 23:55:20 2009 Received: (at 2150-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 2 Feb 2009 07:55:20 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n127tH9b024493 for <2150-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 23:55:18 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LTtcY-0001dB-N0; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:53:30 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 2150-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#2150: 23.0.90; rmail-ignored-headers is not autoloaded References: X-Spook: Tony Blair Fortezza South Africa electronic surveillance X-Ran: j.rL[-U&1;G$@wTWJ}4}M`)suUX9ObVC~?l$I>LjB`yr+Mnb3$@:k;iZG(6kO#+.g<8p.< X-Hue: yellow X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:53:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:02:45 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Autoload restored. From monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Mon Feb 2 07:42:53 2009 Received: (at 2150) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 2 Feb 2009 15:42:53 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER,XIRONPORT autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n12FgoxL012290 for <2150@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 07:42:51 -0800 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswEAFOjhknO+IQk/2dsb2JhbACBbsk3hBQGgmw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,365,1231131600"; d="scan'208";a="33201843" Received: from 206-248-132-36.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.132.36]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 02 Feb 2009 10:42:45 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 9FC2D8229; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:42:44 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Glenn Morris Cc: 2150@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#2150: 23.0.90; rmail-ignored-headers is not autoloaded Message-ID: References: Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:42:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:02:45 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > (In general, some files seem to have been written under the assumption > that all defcustoms should be autoloaded. I think this is bogus, but Agreed: autoloading variables is evil. > once this assumption has been made, it can become impossible to ever > take the autoloads away, for the reason you report here.) "Me too" Stefan From eliz@gnu.org Mon Feb 2 12:45:05 2009 Received: (at 2150) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 2 Feb 2009 20:45:05 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mtaout6.012.net.il (mtaout6.012.net.il [84.95.2.16]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n12KiuAd023255 for <2150@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:44:58 -0800 Received: from conversion-daemon.i-mtaout6.012.net.il by i-mtaout6.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KEG00800HCZB700@i-mtaout6.012.net.il> for 2150@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:44:30 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.158.130]) by i-mtaout6.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KEG00A9THLZ6Z00@i-mtaout6.012.net.il>; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:44:30 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:44:07 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#2150: 23.0.90; rmail-ignored-headers is not autoloaded In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Glenn Morris Cc: 2150@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii Message-id: References: > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: 2150@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com > Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:02:45 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > In previous Emacs versions, rmail-ignored-headers was autoloaded, but > > not in 23.0.90. This causes failures at startup if your ~/.emacs > > customizes that option. > > That would depend on how you customize it (presumably you modify it in > some way that accesses the default value, rather than just setting it > unconditionally) I customize variables in the simplest possible way: with a setq. This always worked for me, since time immemoriam. From rgm@gnu.org Mon Feb 2 14:36:47 2009 Received: (at 2150) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 2 Feb 2009 22:36:48 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n12Majth019623 for <2150@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:36:46 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LU7Na-0001Kk-Ly; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:34:58 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 2150@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#2150: 23.0.90; rmail-ignored-headers is not autoloaded References: X-Spook: spy freedom ASO Mossad FIPS140 crypto anarchy munitions X-Ran: r>aV>tT+\lYWHcU]>fx'Y|m]8i^Im9dkr#p%%X+=`4IGjYWRx7^4=V$jy$\Z+vZ-~=^C?D X-Hue: cyan X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:34:58 -0500 Message-ID: <84ljsozcvh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I customize variables in the simplest possible way: with a setq. This > always worked for me, since time immemoriam. I was referring to the difference between: (setq rmail-ignored-headers "foo") and (setq rmail-ignored-headers (concat "foo\\|" rmail-ignored-headers)) From unknown Thu Sep 11 03:07:34 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: $requester Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # A New Hope # A log time ago, in a galaxy far, far away # something happened. # # Magically this resulted in the following # action being taken, but this fake control # message doesn't tell you why it happened # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator