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23.0.90; rmail-ignored-headers is not autoloaded

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Message #5 received at submit <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: emacs-pretest-bug <at> gnu.org
Subject: 23.0.90; rmail-ignored-headers is not autoloaded
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:55:21 -0500

In previous Emacs versions, rmail-ignored-headers was autoloaded, but
not in 23.0.90.  This causes failures at startup if your ~/.emacs
customizes that option.

In GNU Emacs 23.0.90.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu)
 of 2009-02-02 on fencepost
configured using `configure  '--without-x''

Important settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
  value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: nil
  value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
  locale-coding-system: nil
  default-enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Emacs-Lisp

Minor modes in effect:
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  global-auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

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Message #8 received at 2150 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 2150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#2150: 23.0.90; rmail-ignored-headers is not autoloaded
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:02:45 -0500

Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> In previous Emacs versions, rmail-ignored-headers was autoloaded, but
> not in 23.0.90.  This causes failures at startup if your ~/.emacs
> customizes that option.

That would depend on how you customize it (presumably you modify it in
some way that accesses the default value, rather than just setting it
unconditionally); but obviously just add the autoload back again if
it's causing problems.

(In general, some files seem to have been written under the assumption
that all defcustoms should be autoloaded. I think this is bogus, but
once this assumption has been made, it can become impossible to ever
take the autoloads away, for the reason you report here.)

Message #15 received at 2150-done <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: 2150-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#2150: 23.0.90; rmail-ignored-headers is not autoloaded
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:53:30 -0500

Autoload restored.

Message #20 received at 2150 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 2150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#2150: 23.0.90; rmail-ignored-headers is not autoloaded
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:42:44 -0500

> (In general, some files seem to have been written under the assumption
> that all defcustoms should be autoloaded. I think this is bogus, but

Agreed: autoloading variables is evil.

> once this assumption has been made, it can become impossible to ever
> take the autoloads away, for the reason you report here.)

"Me too"


        Stefan

Message #25 received at 2150 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 2150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#2150: 23.0.90; rmail-ignored-headers is not autoloaded
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:44:07 +0200

> From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: 2150 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com
> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:02:45 -0500
> 
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> 
> > In previous Emacs versions, rmail-ignored-headers was autoloaded, but
> > not in 23.0.90.  This causes failures at startup if your ~/.emacs
> > customizes that option.
> 
> That would depend on how you customize it (presumably you modify it in
> some way that accesses the default value, rather than just setting it
> unconditionally)

I customize variables in the simplest possible way: with a setq.  This
always worked for me, since time immemoriam.

Message #28 received at 2150 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 2150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#2150: 23.0.90; rmail-ignored-headers is not autoloaded
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:34:58 -0500

Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> I customize variables in the simplest possible way: with a setq.  This
> always worked for me, since time immemoriam.

I was referring to the difference between:

(setq rmail-ignored-headers "foo")

and

(setq rmail-ignored-headers (concat "foo\\|" rmail-ignored-headers))

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