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[73.172.248.173]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a30sm2680710qge.22.2015.09.04.21.59.02 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 04 Sep 2015 21:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by holos.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0799F68971; Sat, 5 Sep 2015 00:59:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Oteiza To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.0.50; apropos-library on libraries using cl-def{generic,method} fails Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2015 00:58:59 -0400 Message-ID: <87y4gl5ung.fsf@udel.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) >From emacs -Q: M-x apropos-library RET cl-generic RET Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument symbolp (cl-generic-generalizers (head eql))) apropos-symbols-internal((cl--generic-typeof-generalizer cl--generic-typeof-types cl--generic-struct-generalizer cl--generic-struct-specializers cl--generic$ apropos-library("cl-generic") funcall-interactively(apropos-library "cl-generic") call-interactively(apropos-library record nil) command-execute(apropos-library record) execute-extended-command(nil "apropos-library" nil) funcall-interactively(execute-extended-command nil "apropos-library" nil) call-interactively(execute-extended-command nil nil) command-execute(execute-extended-command) I came across this because doing M-. on a function defined with cl-defgeneric and cl-defmethod doesn't go to the definition, just the top of the library, so apropos-library was my backup. I don't know if the xref behavior should be a separate report. 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[96.227.83.242]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n83sm20675803qhn.20.2016.01.07.11.06.41 for <21422@debbugs.gnu.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Jan 2016 11:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by holos.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D04FE685BE; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 14:06:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 14:06:40 -0500 From: Mark Oteiza To: 21422@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: 25.0.50; apropos-library on libraries using cl-def{generic,method} fails Message-ID: <20160107190640.GA28029@holos> References: <87y4gl5ung.fsf@udel.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87y4gl5ung.fsf@udel.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24+44 (9480a363a68a) (2015-08-30) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21422 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On 05/09/15 at 12:58am, Mark Oteiza wrote: > > From emacs -Q: > > M-x apropos-library RET cl-generic RET > > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument symbolp (cl-generic-generalizers (head eql))) > apropos-symbols-internal((cl--generic-typeof-generalizer cl--generic-typeof-types cl--generic-struct-generalizer cl--generic-struct-specializers cl--generic$ > apropos-library("cl-generic") > funcall-interactively(apropos-library "cl-generic") > call-interactively(apropos-library record nil) > command-execute(apropos-library record) > execute-extended-command(nil "apropos-library" nil) > funcall-interactively(execute-extended-command nil "apropos-library" nil) > call-interactively(execute-extended-command nil nil) > command-execute(execute-extended-command) > > I came across this because doing M-. on a function defined with > cl-defgeneric and cl-defmethod doesn't go to the definition, just the > top of the library, so apropos-library was my backup. I don't know if > the xref behavior should be a separate report. cl-generic is used pretty widely, and apropos-library fails on libraries using it. Could this be marked to be fixed before release? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 07 15:06:20 2016 Received: (at 21422) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2016 20:06:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42020 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHGpA-0001U1-BN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 15:06:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50732) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHGp9-0001Tp-4Z for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 15:06:19 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHGoz-00012g-3Z for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 15:06:14 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52501) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHGoz-00012c-1C; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 15:06:09 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2006 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aHGoy-0001dh-9w; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 15:06:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 22:06:19 +0200 Message-Id: <83twmp17es.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Mark Oteiza In-reply-to: <20160107190640.GA28029@holos> (message from Mark Oteiza on Thu, 7 Jan 2016 14:06:40 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#21422: 25.0.50; apropos-library on libraries using cl-def{generic,method} fails References: <87y4gl5ung.fsf@udel.edu> <20160107190640.GA28029@holos> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21422 Cc: 21422@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 14:06:40 -0500 > From: Mark Oteiza > > > apropos-library("cl-generic") > > funcall-interactively(apropos-library "cl-generic") > > call-interactively(apropos-library record nil) > > command-execute(apropos-library record) > > execute-extended-command(nil "apropos-library" nil) > > funcall-interactively(execute-extended-command nil "apropos-library" nil) > > call-interactively(execute-extended-command nil nil) > > command-execute(execute-extended-command) > > > > I came across this because doing M-. on a function defined with > > cl-defgeneric and cl-defmethod doesn't go to the definition, just the > > top of the library, so apropos-library was my backup. I don't know if > > the xref behavior should be a separate report. > > cl-generic is used pretty widely, and apropos-library fails on libraries > using it. Could this be marked to be fixed before release? IMO, we should only do that if it's practical, i.e. if there's someone who would work on fixing that. I'd also suggest to have bug#22294 be the release blocker, if we have a volunteer to work on it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 07 18:35:36 2016 Received: (at 21422) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2016 23:35:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42064 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHK5f-0006J3-SF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 18:35:36 -0500 Received: from mail-lf0-f50.google.com ([209.85.215.50]:34217) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHK5f-0006Ir-3z for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 18:35:35 -0500 Received: by mail-lf0-f50.google.com with SMTP id y184so342034963lfc.1 for <21422@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 15:35:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=i+i2Z1SnVPoBBN3xDDxi0Hhdswkk5qtGfxhsTaDsLog=; b=gvQ4z53WnnICZh6nlcix+VHdmhpM6mMu5UZX89wNn9xtECEsJt022RrE++D7o7Ohh8 n/4YIf5loMQhNr/xbeHsgt5yMdvn3zODSId7Ft2bpT4ZdlygUwarvSGPliE6+0125DYT oktBDKJ5ySwnikFdOzs8KGPoEyVPpJ/DBID2OSe91PQHZSFg+7DK2HaFtmm5L8SrOqiW MtsY0Tl+wuMG+UxEDOoiumOcbJN8qguc7yppjrBDVFlGNECBMDilO5VVvEpR/JYeopGA SdlKsIuCHbKHwLPUTFruPCiay/Edif8an5hIpyIHFJXNlL298mq1aiglCo0sOXyxnlHE 25vQ== X-Received: by 10.25.207.3 with SMTP id f3mr7655189lfg.20.1452209729194; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 15:35:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.190] ([178.252.127.222]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id d18sm2417171lfb.1.2016.01.07.15.35.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 07 Jan 2016 15:35:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#21422: 25.0.50; apropos-library on libraries using cl-def{generic,method} fails To: Eli Zaretskii , Mark Oteiza References: <87y4gl5ung.fsf@udel.edu> <20160107190640.GA28029@holos> <83twmp17es.fsf@gnu.org> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <568EF63F.5090802@yandex.ru> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 02:35:27 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/43.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83twmp17es.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21422 Cc: 21422@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 01/07/2016 11:06 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> I came across this because doing M-. on a function defined with >>> cl-defgeneric and cl-defmethod doesn't go to the definition, just the >>> top of the library, so apropos-library was my backup. I don't know if >>> the xref behavior should be a separate report. FWIW, this has worked for some time now. M-x describe-function is another way to find the generic definitions. > IMO, we should only do that if it's practical, i.e. if there's someone > who would work on fixing that. > > I'd also suggest to have bug#22294 be the release blocker, if we have > a volunteer to work on it. (Not a volunteer on either.) I've pushed a minor fix for this bug, to avoid the error. The description buffer now shows duplicates, though, instead of proper info about specialized methods. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 07 20:28:01 2016 Received: (at 21422) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2016 01:28:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42099 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHLqT-0000Rj-Jo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:28:01 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50234) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHLqS-0000RV-4f for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:28:00 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHLqM-0003LU-3c for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:27:54 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58133) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHLqJ-0003Ke-Ad; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:27:51 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aHLqH-0002jN-DQ; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:27:49 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#21422: 25.0.50; apropos-library on libraries using cl-def{generic,method} fails References: <87y4gl5ung.fsf@udel.edu> <20160107190640.GA28029@holos> <83twmp17es.fsf@gnu.org> <568EF63F.5090802@yandex.ru> X-Spook: National Biosurveillance Integration Center Plume Centro X-Ran: G7}7ZNl\B]e7=i`(1{Xb^[I>E32JjWwR"cB`mKp&RB=/Hf"S}K!pBuD'5N)8F;(_\;AIpA X-Hue: yellow X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:27:49 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21422 Cc: Mark Oteiza , Eli Zaretskii , 21422@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) The root cause is that 24b7f77 puts non-standard entries in load-history ("Record manually in the load-history"). If that's really the way it's going to be, it needs an "incompatible change" NEWS entry and doc updates (the format of a load-history entry is documented in the elisp manual). These new cl-defmethod entries don't match the documented format. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 07 20:28:06 2016 Received: (at 21422) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2016 01:28:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42104 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHLqY-0000SX-P1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:28:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50333) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHLqX-0000Rc-44 for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:28:05 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHLqR-0003Oe-Be for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:28:00 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58140) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHLqQ-0003O4-3c; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:27:58 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aHLqP-000342-HT; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:27:57 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#21422: 25.0.50; apropos-library on libraries using cl-def{generic,method} fails References: <87y4gl5ung.fsf@udel.edu> <20160107190640.GA28029@holos> <83twmp17es.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: Gangs TSA AVN War on Terrorism Stuck Pirates CISU X-Ran: _.'pWz|05~bNS>CldRU?^u\E1C-4GBZ)Kq0d2&M,"`6X?sq#uN%v. X-Hue: black X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:27:57 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21422 Cc: Mark Oteiza , 21422@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> cl-generic is used pretty widely, and apropos-library fails on libraries >> using it. Could this be marked to be fixed before release? > > IMO, we should only do that if it's practical, i.e. if there's someone > who would work on fixing that. I don't think that's the right approach. One purpose of marking things as release blockers is to encourage people to work on them. The list is not set in stone. I expect that close to the release, some will remain unfixed and will be intentionally ignored/unblocked. The decision about what to mark as a blocker shouldn't be based on manpower (at this stage), it should be based on what the ideal 25.1 should look like. > I'd also suggest to have bug#22294 be the release blocker, [...] You don't need to suggest it, please just do it. It would be great if the list of blocking bugs became something other than just my own opinion. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 07 20:29:09 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2016 01:29:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42108 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHLrZ-0000UF-1l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:29:09 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50849) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHLrX-0000Tr-CR for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:29:07 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHLrR-0003gS-Nt for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:29:02 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58164) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHLrR-0003gO-Kg for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:29:01 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aHLrR-0004Wz-Ba for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:29:01 -0500 Subject: control message for bug 19759 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:29:01 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) block 19759 by 21422 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 08 04:36:58 2016 Received: (at 21422) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2016 09:36:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42257 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHTTd-00074H-RI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 04:36:58 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42371) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHTTb-000742-QI for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 04:36:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHTTT-0006MG-9t for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 04:36:50 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37560) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHTTT-0006MB-7T; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 04:36:47 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1173 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aHTTO-0002FU-Rw; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 04:36:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 11:36:40 +0200 Message-Id: <83y4c0pg47.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:27:57 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#21422: 25.0.50; apropos-library on libraries using cl-def{generic,method} fails References: <87y4gl5ung.fsf@udel.edu> <20160107190640.GA28029@holos> <83twmp17es.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21422 Cc: mvoteiza@udel.edu, 21422@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: Mark Oteiza , 21422@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:27:57 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> cl-generic is used pretty widely, and apropos-library fails on libraries > >> using it. Could this be marked to be fixed before release? > > > > IMO, we should only do that if it's practical, i.e. if there's someone > > who would work on fixing that. > > I don't think that's the right approach. > > One purpose of marking things as release blockers is to encourage > people to work on them. Sure, provided that there's someone who can be encouraged. Otherwise, it's futile, isn't it? But I didn't write what you cite above as a general proposal. I wrote that specifically about this kind of bugs: I find it hard to believe that we would consider such bugs critical, i.e. something with which it would be unthinkable to release Emacs. You need to read what I wrote keeping this in mind, and without generalizing it to any other kind of bugs, particularly those that are really critical ones. > > I'd also suggest to have bug#22294 be the release blocker, [...] > > You don't need to suggest it, please just do it. If #21422 is marked as a blocker, I will do the same for #22294. They are in the same boat: extremely inconvenient, but not really critical. > It would be great if the list of blocking bugs became something other > than just my own opinion. It stopped being just your own option long ago. I'm using it, for one. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 08 07:15:00 2016 Received: (at 21422) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2016 12:15:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42328 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHVwa-0002Td-0x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 07:15:00 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53999) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHVwY-0002TQ-NY for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 07:14:59 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHVwS-0003xm-UH for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 07:14:53 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47182) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHVwK-0003tI-5X; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 07:14:44 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1414 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aHVwJ-0001Sk-2F; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 07:14:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 14:14:40 +0200 Message-Id: <83h9iop8sv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:27:49 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#21422: 25.0.50; apropos-library on libraries using cl-def{generic,method} fails References: <87y4gl5ung.fsf@udel.edu> <20160107190640.GA28029@holos> <83twmp17es.fsf@gnu.org> <568EF63F.5090802@yandex.ru> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21422 Cc: mvoteiza@udel.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 21422@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Mark Oteiza , 21422@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov > Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:27:49 -0500 > > > The root cause is that 24b7f77 puts non-standard entries in load-history > ("Record manually in the load-history"). > > If that's really the way it's going to be, it needs an "incompatible > change" NEWS entry and doc updates (the format of a load-history entry > is documented in the elisp manual). These new cl-defmethod entries don't > match the documented format. Could you please update the documentation according to the above? Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 08 19:44:47 2016 Received: (at 21422) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2016 00:44:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43507 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHheB-0003Pc-FK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:44:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48246) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHhe9-0003PP-VE for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:44:46 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHhe3-0002uH-V3 for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:44:40 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42470) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHhe0-0002tS-L0; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:44:36 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aHhdz-0001HF-H7; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:44:35 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#21422: 25.0.50; apropos-library on libraries using cl-def{generic,method} fails References: <87y4gl5ung.fsf@udel.edu> <20160107190640.GA28029@holos> <83twmp17es.fsf@gnu.org> <568EF63F.5090802@yandex.ru> <83h9iop8sv.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: Lightning morse AK-47 Social media Pipe bomb import AVIP X-Ran: 0N'2`$e$A>[7;+;*S*gTA*&Se'nIDh`mBO1](bHG-uIvCKm(o<,[Z->f/R4zPAnG3O}]l) X-Hue: green X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:44:35 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21422 Cc: mvoteiza@udel.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 21422@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Could you please update the documentation according to the above? Sorry, no. (I've had enough of documenting other people's work for them.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 08 19:44:53 2016 Received: (at 21422) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2016 00:44:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43510 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHheH-0003Pw-M5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:44:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48260) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHheH-0003Pj-5a for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:44:53 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHheB-0002uw-78 for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:44:48 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42473) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHheB-0002ur-3b for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:44:47 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aHheA-0001Hw-I0; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:44:46 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#21422: 25.0.50; apropos-library on libraries using cl-def{generic,method} fails References: <87y4gl5ung.fsf@udel.edu> <20160107190640.GA28029@holos> <83twmp17es.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4c0pg47.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: Black out Earthquake Relief Abu Ghraib Drill Critical X-Ran: gk&"HRNio:G=]?+I2MmHe)%-l|w6DFaz&AnjM#9`9TV~;_5vuz;EZ8L*!cX-(n|>K9/6C+ X-Hue: black X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:44:46 -0500 Message-ID: <6slh7zfuo1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21422 Cc: 21422@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> It would be great if the list of blocking bugs became something other >> than just my own opinion. > > It stopped being just your own option long ago. I'm using it, for > one. That's nice to hear, although when I look at http://debbugs.gnu.org/19759 (which is coming up on its one-year anniversary), all changes are mine, except one, by you, a week ago. So we either aren't talking about the same thing, or have very different definitions of "long ago". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 09 02:05:44 2016 Received: (at 21422) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2016 07:05:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43583 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHnaq-0003tF-2x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 02:05:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60964) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHnap-0003t1-13 for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 02:05:43 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHnai-0007FF-Qz for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 02:05:37 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52734) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHnai-0007FB-Ne for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 02:05:36 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1913 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aHnah-0002Hw-5S; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 02:05:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2016 09:05:35 +0200 Message-Id: <83r3hrnsg0.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: <6slh7zfuo1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:44:46 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#21422: 25.0.50; apropos-library on libraries using cl-def{generic,method} fails References: <87y4gl5ung.fsf@udel.edu> <20160107190640.GA28029@holos> <83twmp17es.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4c0pg47.fsf@gnu.org> <6slh7zfuo1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21422 Cc: 21422@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: 21422@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:44:46 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> It would be great if the list of blocking bugs became something other > >> than just my own opinion. > > > > It stopped being just your own option long ago. I'm using it, for > > one. > > That's nice to hear, although when I look at http://debbugs.gnu.org/19759 > (which is coming up on its one-year anniversary), all changes are mine, > except one, by you, a week ago. So we either aren't talking about the > same thing, or have very different definitions of "long ago". Why do you dismiss that single use by me? It clearly says that I use the facility when I think it's appropriate, doesn't it? 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