From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Aug 31 09:17:29 2015 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Aug 2015 13:17:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43528 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZWOxk-0007UV-ON for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:17:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33770) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZWOxi-0007UN-T7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:17:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZWOxf-0006px-Vs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:17:26 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:42753) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZWOxf-0006pt-TJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:17:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43768) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZWOxa-00045g-3L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:17:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZWOxX-0006oF-BN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:17:18 -0400 Received: from olive.lsv.fr ([138.231.81.248]:43743 helo=olive.lsv.ens-cachan.fr) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZWOxX-0006M0-5f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:17:15 -0400 Received: from phs-air.local (cas75-2-78-192-18-219.fbxo.proxad.net [78.192.18.219]) by olive.lsv.ens-cachan.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547C14C01A2 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:52:32 +0200 (CEST) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: phs Subject: 24.5; Emacs Lisp Manual, section 17.3 "Debugging Invalid Lisp Syntax": wording can be improved Message-ID: <55E44E0F.3040507@lsv.ens-cachan.fr> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:52:31 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070806050205010003080704" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070806050205010003080704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I needed help with finding the location of a spurious closing parenthesis and the manual was very helpful. Here I'm talking about sections 17.3.* of the Emacs Lisp Manual at http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/ However, I think these sections would be better/clearer if (at some place) they explicitly mentioned by name the command `backward-up-list' invoked via C-M-u rather than just give cryptic key sequences. Also, this could perhaps support a link to the appropriate section (curr. 26.4.2) of the Emacs manual for more details on the function. -phs --------------070806050205010003080704 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I needed help with finding the location of a spurious closing parenthesis and the manual was very helpful.

Here I'm talking about sections 17.3.* of the Emacs Lisp Manual at http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/

However, I think these sections would be better/clearer if (at some place) they explicitly mentioned by name the command `backward-up-list' invoked via C-M-u rather than just give cryptic key sequences. Also, this could perhaps support a link to the appropriate section (curr. 26.4.2) of the Emacs manual for more details on the function.

-phs

--------------070806050205010003080704-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 01 15:40:57 2019 Received: (at 21385) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2019 19:40:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55326 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htGwb-0002lS-6M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2019 15:40:57 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:45066) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htGwZ-0002lJ-Ny for 21385@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2019 15:40:56 -0400 Received: from 77.18.62.220.tmi.telenormobil.no ([77.18.62.220] helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1htGwW-0003IN-Fu; Thu, 01 Aug 2019 21:40:54 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: phs Subject: Re: bug#21385: 24.5; Emacs Lisp Manual, section 17.3 "Debugging Invalid Lisp Syntax": wording can be improved References: <55E44E0F.3040507@lsv.ens-cachan.fr> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 21:40:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: <55E44E0F.3040507@lsv.ens-cachan.fr> (phs@lsv.ens-cachan.fr's message of "Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:52:31 +0200") Message-ID: <87a7csfzcs.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: phs writes: > I needed help with finding the location of a spurious closing parenthesis and > the manual was very helpful. > > Here I'm talking about sections 17.3.* of the Emacs Lisp Manual at > http://www.gnu.o [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21385 Cc: 21385@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) phs writes: > I needed help with finding the location of a spurious closing parenthesis and > the manual was very helpful. > > Here I'm talking about sections 17.3.* of the Emacs Lisp Manual at > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/ > > However, I think these sections would be better/clearer if (at some place) > they explicitly mentioned by name the command `backward-up-list' invoked > via C-M-u rather than just give cryptic key sequences. Also, this could > perhaps support a link to the appropriate section (curr. 26.4.2) of the Emacs > manual for more details on the function. (I'm going through old bug reports that have unfortunately not gotten any responses.) Hm... Well, reading that section and the following nodes ("Excess Open"), it seems like it's written in a tutorial-ish fashion. I think perhaps that dropping in that level of low-level details would make it less readable. 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