From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:15:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21331: 24.5; LibreOffice documents have less support than Microsoft Office docs (in Gnus?) Resent-From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. 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[66.46.90.198]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o2sm7097655igr.9.2015.08.23.10.40.27 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:40:33 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 14:40:19 -0300 Message-ID: <87k2slhpj0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) In the Gnus (v5.13) Article buffer, clicking or RET on an attachment has different behaviour depending upon the type of document: - Microsoft Office files with .doc, .xls etc. extensions get opened (in LibreOffice on my system) which is the desired behaviour. - But for LibreOffice files with .odt, .ods etc. extensions, Gnus just offers to save the file. Other actions on the attachments can be accessed by right clicking on them (and probably in other ways), but for the LibreOffice files, there does not seem to be an option for opening them. Support for LibreOffice files probably ought to be at least as good as the support for Microsoft Office files. (Note: Newer-format Microsoft Office files (with .docx, .xlsx etc. extensions) seem to have the same lack of support for opening as the LibreOffice files, and it would be nice if these too could be opened.) For a concrete example, with the following email from myself in the Article buffer From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Subject: Test of office suite files To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 12:34:53 -0300 (1 hour, 20 minutes, 58 seconds ago) [1. An .odt format file --- application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text; mydocument.odt]... [2. An .doc format file --- application/msword; mydocument.doc]... [3. An .docx format file --- application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document; mydocument.docx]... If I hit RET on the second attachment (the old-format Word file) it is opened in LibreOffice, but RET on the other two attachments just results in a prompt to save them. [To provide a more complete bug report (and with the thought of maybe attempting a patch) I tried to track this functionality down, but unfortunately its implementation is a little beyond my current level of understanding. C-h k RET here reports RET runs the command gnus-article-press-button, which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `gnus-art.el'. It is bound to RET, . (gnus-article-press-button) Check text at point for a callback function. 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1582) (intervals 56 26773 2270) (buffers 960 147) (heap 1024 152883 22894)) From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:15:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21331: 24.5; LibreOffice documents have less support than Microsoft Office docs (in Gnus?) Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 00:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21331 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Cc: 21331@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 21331-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21331.14403748966959 (code B ref 21331); Mon, 24 Aug 2015 00:09:02 +0000 Received: (at 21331) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2015 00:08:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36316 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTfJ9-0001oB-VH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 20:08:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44470) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTfJ8-0001o4-PL for 21331@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 20:08:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTfJ7-0005N7-P7 for 21331@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 20:08:14 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57021) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTfJ6-0005LV-07; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 20:08:12 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTfJ5-0005qI-0F; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 20:08:11 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <87k2slhpj0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> (nljlistbox2@gmail.com) References: <87k2slhpj0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 20:08:11 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > - Microsoft Office files with .doc, .xls etc. extensions get opened (in > LibreOffice on my system) which is the desired behaviour. > - But for LibreOffice files with .odt, .ods etc. extensions, Gnus just > offers to save the file. We should certainly offer no less support to LibreOffice and its formats than to any Microsoft formats. Can someone fix this? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:15:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21331: 24.5; LibreOffice documents have less support than Microsoft Office docs (in Gnus?) Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 17:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21331 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Cc: 21331@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 21331-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21331.144043717420055 (code B ref 21331); Mon, 24 Aug 2015 17:27:01 +0000 Received: (at 21331) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2015 17:26:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37175 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTvVe-0005DP-8l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 13:26:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56670) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTvVb-0005DH-Tz for 21331@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 13:26:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTvVa-0007o1-Kc for 21331@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 13:26:11 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54015) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTvVY-0007nY-SD; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 13:26:08 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTvVX-0001GQ-L7; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 13:26:08 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <87k2slhpj0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> X-Spook: SHA Worm Chobetsu Mud slide advisors Closure Bomb squad X-Ran: kxt)^ppI=vup|meLa&D"p|hqTgPd&Qkij/[yKhTTY^F'5$I43y& (N. Jackson's message of "Sun, 23 Aug 2015 14:40:19 -0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) I guess this is related to mailcap. Examine your /etc/mailcap file and the value of Emacs's mailcap-mime-data. If wildcards are involved, see https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnus-english/2012-01/msg00027.html (which crosses months so is easier to read on https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/gnu.emacs.gnus/T-0xfP3fxjY ) From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:15:59 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.503 (Entity 5.503) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Subject: bug#21331: closed (Re: bug#21331: 24.5; LibreOffice documents have less support than Microsoft Office docs (in Gnus?)) Message-ID: References: <87wpwk2vkg.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <87k2slhpj0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 21331 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs,gnus Reply-To: 21331@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 22:04:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1440453842-13195-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1440453842-13195-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #21331: 24.5; LibreOffice documents have less support than Microsoft Office= docs (in Gnus?) which was filed against the emacs,gnus package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. 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[142.177.116.31]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q10sm9756712ige.16.2015.08.24.15.03.27 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 24 Aug 2015 15:03:28 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) To: 21331-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#21331: 24.5; LibreOffice documents have less support than Microsoft Office docs (in Gnus?) References: <87k2slhpj0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 19:03:27 -0300 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 24 Aug 2015 13:26:07 -0400") Message-ID: <87wpwk2vkg.fsf@moondust.localdomain> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21331-done Cc: Glenn Morris , Richard Stallman X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) tags 21331 notabug stop At 14:26 -0300 on Monday 2015-08-24, Glenn Morris wrote: > I guess this is related to mailcap. Examine your /etc/mailcap file and > the value of Emacs's mailcap-mime-data. Thanks Glenn, you are quite right. And it's right there in the manual at (info "(gnus) Using MIME"): The following commands are available when you have placed point over a MIME button: =E2=80=98RET (Article)=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98BUTTON-2 (Article)=E2=80=99 Toggle displaying of the MIME object (=E2=80=98gnus-article-press-= button=E2=80=99). If built-in viewers can not display the object, Gnus resorts to external viewers in the =E2=80=98mailcap=E2=80=99 files. ... I had searched the manual for "attachment" instead of for "MIME" which was why I missed it. It turns out that I had the line application/msword; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s in my mailcap file and that was causing the behaviour I observed. I guess I mis-remembered that other Microsoft Office documents were opened correctly from Gnus (or perhaps that was on another system). For completeness, I can report that with the following lines in my /etc/mailcap application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.presentation; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.database; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s application/msword; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s application/vnd.ms-excel; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s application/vnd.ms-powerpoint; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s application/vnd.ms-access; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document= ; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.presentationml.presentati= on; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet; /usr= /bin/xdg-open %s all of .odt, .ods, .odp, .odb, .doc, .xls, .ppt, .docx, .xlsx, .pptx files now open as desired in LibreOffice. (I was unable to test with .mdb files as I don't have a program on my system that will open them.) So not a bug. Sorry for the noise. ------------=_1440453842-13195-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2015 17:40:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36188 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTZGC-00068Q-UK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:40:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51583) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTZG8-00068F-TH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:40:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTZG5-0006tB-Q0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:40:44 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:36336) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTZG5-0006t6-Ly for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:40:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33350) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTZG2-0006Wi-Pw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:40:41 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTZFz-0006re-Bj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:40:38 -0400 Received: from mail-ig0-x234.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c05::234]:37135) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTZFz-0006rS-1x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:40:35 -0400 Received: by igui7 with SMTP id i7so42400611igu.0 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:40:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=4ajXY32Csh5YEZqNO1eBtl6SQ76jJBIAeXSkCO+Zwkk=; b=Bfh+LYjfD2+fQDd7gZkLHzkWEeVJEiMrocGKGYSk0yGf6v89WbtB71QDG+o+VLFIsj efHjVi+Dsdd0DqbQtk9iw27MNTv3WKNjXQH7h7ZPvH98d222VZWCG4mKYkTbMcjS+IhG af2Sb9SQxbs0s2nj5DcYCX7kFPIJQAwFF6+7g2Nmx7gQMrDmFmpV3HkPKzbMcZVz/sp6 K7pfHzJik4ndXASvrRC6dWTAWWFwadyN7j+hKB/47rakc4IWIZnIKdiB2uAjbz44Jsdu YxFFZO/VFj9EsBDocOVy4sHl7QSFyEi5xszPdXDYKLB6ng6Vbn21FVPq/u4Snuc8wsat eCcg== X-Received: by 10.50.119.33 with SMTP id kr1mr10528467igb.75.1440351633739; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moondust.localdomain.nodomain.none (66-46-90-198.dedicated.allstream.net. [66.46.90.198]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o2sm7097655igr.9.2015.08.23.10.40.27 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:40:33 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.5; LibreOffice documents have less support than Microsoft Office docs (in Gnus?) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 14:40:19 -0300 Message-ID: <87k2slhpj0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) In the Gnus (v5.13) Article buffer, clicking or RET on an attachment has different behaviour depending upon the type of document: - Microsoft Office files with .doc, .xls etc. extensions get opened (in LibreOffice on my system) which is the desired behaviour. - But for LibreOffice files with .odt, .ods etc. extensions, Gnus just offers to save the file. Other actions on the attachments can be accessed by right clicking on them (and probably in other ways), but for the LibreOffice files, there does not seem to be an option for opening them. Support for LibreOffice files probably ought to be at least as good as the support for Microsoft Office files. (Note: Newer-format Microsoft Office files (with .docx, .xlsx etc. extensions) seem to have the same lack of support for opening as the LibreOffice files, and it would be nice if these too could be opened.) For a concrete example, with the following email from myself in the Article buffer From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Subject: Test of office suite files To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 12:34:53 -0300 (1 hour, 20 minutes, 58 seconds ago) [1. An .odt format file --- application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text; mydocument.odt]... [2. An .doc format file --- application/msword; mydocument.doc]... [3. An .docx format file --- application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document; mydocument.docx]... If I hit RET on the second attachment (the old-format Word file) it is opened in LibreOffice, but RET on the other two attachments just results in a prompt to save them. [To provide a more complete bug report (and with the thought of maybe attempting a patch) I tried to track this functionality down, but unfortunately its implementation is a little beyond my current level of understanding. C-h k RET here reports RET runs the command gnus-article-press-button, which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `gnus-art.el'. It is bound to RET, . (gnus-article-press-button) Check text at point for a callback function. 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Tagging the bug "notabug" seems to have failed in my previous mail, probably because I forgot to copy the mail to the control server.] [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.223.181 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (nljlistbox2[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (nljlistbox2[at]gmail.com) 1.8 MISSING_SUBJECT Missing Subject: header 0.2 NO_SUBJECT Extra score for no subject 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Tagging the bug "notabug" seems to have failed in my previous mail, probably because I forgot to copy the mail to the control server.] [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.223.181 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (nljlistbox2[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (nljlistbox2[at]gmail.com) 1.8 MISSING_SUBJECT Missing Subject: header 0.2 NO_SUBJECT Extra score for no subject 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid reopen 21331 tags 21331 notabug close 21331 stop [Trying this again. Tagging the bug "notabug" seems to have failed in my previous mail, probably because I forgot to copy the mail to the control server.] From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:15:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21331: Processed: your mail Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 05:25:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21331 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Cc: 21331@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 21331-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21331.144048030026220 (code B ref 21331); Tue, 25 Aug 2015 05:25:01 +0000 Received: (at 21331) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Aug 2015 05:25:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37413 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZU6jE-0006oq-7w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 01:25:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59666) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZU6jC-0006od-Ia for 21331@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 01:24:59 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZU6j8-00065E-NG for 21331@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 01:24:55 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35271) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZU6j7-00062n-Cg; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 01:24:53 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZU6j7-00010y-2Q; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 01:24:53 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <87mvxg2je6.fsf@moondust.localdomain> X-Spook: defense information warfare Small Pox ammunition Ceridian X-Ran: b,)n (GNU bug tracker automated control server's message of "Mon, 24 Aug 2015 22:27:02 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > Processing commands for control@debbugs.gnu.org: > >> reopen 21331 >> tags 21331 notabug >> close 21331 FYI you can can tag closed bugs just the same as open ones, so there was no need to reopen & reclose. And no-one really cares about the tags of closed bugs anyway. :) From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:15:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21331: 24.5; LibreOffice documents have less support than Microsoft Office docs (in Gnus?) Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 22:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21331 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Glenn Morris Cc: nljlistbox2@gmail.com, 21331@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 21331-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21331.144054082526704 (code B ref 21331); Tue, 25 Aug 2015 22:14:01 +0000 Received: (at 21331) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Aug 2015 22:13:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38340 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUMTR-0006we-Dn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:13:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54108) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUMTP-0006wW-8d for 21331@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:13:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUMTO-0005KT-4H for 21331@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:13:42 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52026) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUMTM-0005JZ-HR; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:13:40 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUMTL-0001Qe-IV; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:13:39 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Mon, 24 Aug 2015 13:26:07 -0400) References: <87k2slhpj0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:13:39 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I guess this is related to mailcap. > Examine your /etc/mailcap file and the value of Emacs's mailcap-mime-data. How can we get this fixed in everyone's mailcap file? Where does mailcap come from? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. 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Jackson) Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 23:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21331 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Richard Stallman Cc: Glenn Morris , 21331@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 21331-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21331.14405461012567 (code B ref 21331); Tue, 25 Aug 2015 23:42:02 +0000 Received: (at 21331) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Aug 2015 23:41:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38417 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUNqW-0000fJ-Ii for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 19:41:40 -0400 Received: from mail-io0-f178.google.com ([209.85.223.178]:36257) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUNqT-0000fA-FM for 21331@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 19:41:38 -0400 Received: by iodv127 with SMTP id v127so206530821iod.3 for <21331@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:41:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=NbZnSqfaWA4VqwTuiiQ/O/gX3ZKdnGPvDBDSmyD084g=; b=MAoKyk/Kjo73CX3oUe8hI2Pna7s1nDRnj5dn+FQg0j6tn3S1lcnwVxVpk40fBtbben lV/9rU+1uXgLwNZHidx93RnO7Z6Y3v87aXKLO73Rj5Jwb03GqFQ1wXfEa6xKrHXtt6hX Ev/ouMERdU9MdeXix2Yd4+//Ng+iu74NVcrcPUDfAxhThpTEHP4gMfRkaz4T44wQpr8D eSglqZ6M0UlWmMb3jauzSTPUA0Peqfi6EboOSQW044jUiArIUybLoG5ChEYF7Kc28uKs qc3BoFXRBZJMulHonlDKgfm7NvY10mMjnjsy3IUjzOlAaaux0bnMTOsYPFmi+9k3bGbc jVYA== X-Received: by 10.107.150.196 with SMTP id y187mr6467068iod.91.1440546096640; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moondust.localdomain.nodomain.none (blk-30-139-235.eastlink.ca. [96.30.139.235]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i125sm943788ioi.36.2015.08.25.16.41.35 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:41:36 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) References: <87k2slhpj0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 20:41:34 -0300 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:13:39 -0400") Message-ID: <87wpwj9brl.fsf@moondust.localdomain> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) At 19:13 -0300 on Tuesday 2015-08-25, Richard Stallman wrote: > Where does mailcap come from? Mailcap is Network Working Group RFC 1524 [1]. "A mailcap file can be used to find the correct program to open a file with, based on MIME information. While the name is "mailcap" and is related to MIME (mail filetypes) it actually has use outside the domain of electronic mail" [2]. My mailcap file came with my OS distribution (Fedora 21 GNU/Linux) and I would guess their distribution is where most users' mailcap files come from. I suspect (but am not certain), that I, rather than Red Hat, am guilty of adding the line to it that allowed Gnus to open Microsoft Word file attachments, inadvertently kicking off this bug report. Otherwise Gnus would have failed to open all office suite file attachments equally. > How can we get this fixed in everyone's mailcap file? I don't see how that could be possible for Emacs. Presumably each user must edit their own mailcap files to add support for the MIME types they choose. The only support that Emacs could provide for this IIUC would be to provide more explicit and more easily-found documentation. An alternative solution, at least for users using desktop environments such as Gnome, KDE, and Xfce, would be for Emacs to make use of freedesktop.org facilities such as xdg-utils. I envisage users being able to launch from within Emacs (from dired, say), not only LibreOffice to open it's associated files, but to launch the correct program to open any file on their system (provided their desktop environment knows how to open the file) -- when Emacs is unable to open it internally. [But perhaps this functionality already exists and I just haven't discovered it yet?] [1] Network Working Group, RFC 1524: A User Agent Configuration Mechanism For Multimedia Mail Format Information. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1524 [2] Wikipedia, Mailcap. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mailcap From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:15:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21331: 24.5; LibreOffice documents have less support than Microsoft Office docs (in Gnus?) Resent-From: Michael Welsh Duggan Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21331 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Richard Stallman Cc: Glenn Morris , 21331@debbugs.gnu.org, nljlistbox2@gmail.com Received: via spool by 21331-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21331.144058753831288 (code B ref 21331); Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:13:01 +0000 Received: (at 21331) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Aug 2015 11:12:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38585 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUYcs-00088a-7Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 07:12:18 -0400 Received: from md5i.com ([75.151.244.229]:48282) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUYcq-00088S-JB for 21331@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 07:12:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=md5i.com; s=dkim; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:References: Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=u8R5M8rBPk7cBbJiU0JcvsUQfbONw4HJoGeP01uvORQ=; b=vsiRWU +dH6yuqfCDfYikbobm2XM0CgAMzYf55woq+jdV+D/xJNJB/J8s0z+of5JBHkVBEHBryKHD3KVmHqx yPQME3COP2ImWzWl/6Vjj7yJA4pFq5UxpM2GSpwDufGmm; Received: from md5i by md5i.com with local (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUYcp-0005ox-DR; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 07:12:15 -0400 From: Michael Welsh Duggan References: <87k2slhpj0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 07:12:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:13:39 -0400") Message-ID: <87wpwiwbg0.fsf@md5i.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) Richard Stallman writes: > > I guess this is related to mailcap. > > Examine your /etc/mailcap file and the value of Emacs's mailcap-mime-data. > > How can we get this fixed in everyone's mailcap file? You can't (easily). The system mailcap file is generally handled by the GNU/Linux distribution. You could automatically muck up a user's ~/.mailcap file, but that is not very friendly. This should probably be fixed by updating the mailcap-mime-data var mentioned by Glenn in lisp/gnus/mailcap.el. The entries in this variable are used if there is no existing entry in a user's or the system's mailcap. As this appears to be the case in the original bug report, that would likely fix this problem. -- Michael Welsh Duggan (md5i@md5i.com) From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:15:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21331: 24.5; LibreOffice documents have less support than Microsoft Office docs (in Gnus?) In-Reply-To: <87k2slhpj0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 16:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21331 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Michael Welsh Duggan Cc: nljlistbox2@gmail.com, Richard Stallman , 21331@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 21331-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21331.14406059665873 (code B ref 21331); Wed, 26 Aug 2015 16:20:02 +0000 Received: (at 21331) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Aug 2015 16:19:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38991 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUdQ6-0001Wf-6I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:19:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:32927) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUdQ4-0001WX-Fn for 21331@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:19:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUdQ3-0005Yb-IT for 21331@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:19:24 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_20, RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:40876) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUdQ1-0005Y2-0F; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:19:21 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUdPz-0003IZ-03; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:19:19 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <87k2slhpj0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <87wpwiwbg0.fsf@md5i.com> X-Spook: ammunition Etacs MS13 password Drug war ANDVT Red Cross X-Ran: ^:;V$2.=Pz66=mU>U>V(nJQo[?#=S-}#su}4v5y^[2Iu~xay#8bDbY>tp5M~(pTHYv{yTU X-Hue: black X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:19:18 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.10 X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) I really doubt any GNU/Linux distribution has better support for MS Office in this area (a program they cannot ship or even install, ignoring Wine) then LibreOffice (which they do ship). /etc/mailcap on Debian seems to have the relevant soffice entries. /etc/mailcap on Red Hat seems to be largely empty, basically punting everything to xdg-open, which works fine for me on LibreOffice docs even in RHEL7, so I'm sure it does on Fedora. So on modern systems probably Emacs should give up and just call xdg-open. (Though I seem to recall it's a pain because it forks and seems to exit.) But yes, some fallback mailcap entries would paper things over. From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:15:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21331: 24.5; LibreOffice documents have less support than Microsoft Office docs (in Gnus?) 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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) Glenn Morris writes: > So on modern systems probably Emacs should give up and just call > xdg-open. (Though I seem to recall it's a pain because it forks and > seems to exit.) I agree. Mailcap is a lot of work and should probably be an opt-in over xdg-open. AFAICT my distro ("Archlinux") does not even seem to provide a mailcap file in the official repos. I think there's some problem with gvfs-open, though, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652262 Rasmus -- Spil noget med Slayer! 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[142.177.116.31]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 3sm4117135igy.10.2015.08.26.10.34.59 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:34:59 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) References: <87k2slhpj0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <87wpwiwbg0.fsf@md5i.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:34:58 -0300 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:19:18 -0400") Message-ID: <87io820x8d.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) I apologise profusely for causing this disturbance with a bug title that turns out to have been a result of user misunderstanding. As pointed out when I closed the bug, this is not an Emacs bug. Through a mechanism of which I do not know the details, Gnus can open mail attachments in an external program if there is an entry for the MIME type of the attachment in the system (or user's?) mailcap file. I happened to have an entry for the MIME type "application/msword" in my mailcap file and no entries for LibreOffice files, causing the behaviour I observed and misinterpreted as being "caused" by Emacs. At 13:19 -0300 on Wednesday 2015-08-26, Glenn Morris wrote: > I really doubt any GNU/Linux distribution has better support for MS > Office in this area (a program they cannot ship or even install, > ignoring Wine) then LibreOffice (which they do ship). Checking this today, I deleted my mailcap file and reinstalled the mailcap package from the Fedora 21 repository. The newly installed file is: ### ### Begin Red Hat Mailcap ### audio/*; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s image/*; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s application/msword; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s application/pdf; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s application/postscript ; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s text/html; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s ; copiousoutput I'm guessing that the entry for msword has been added automatically based on some configuration I've inadvertently made somewhere else (probably as a desperate measure when I first switched permanently away from Windows and needed to view a file from work). But the possibility exists that this entry came from the distribution. That would mean that for programs that use mailcap rather than desktop facilities (xdg-utils or whatever), there is better support on Fedora for Microsoft Word files (which will open in LibreOffice) than for LibreOffice documents. But I too really doubt that. It worries me though, so I will probably go on investigating until I find the truth of the matter. But not an Emacs problem. > So on modern systems probably Emacs should give up and just call > xdg-open. That would be nice. > (Though I seem to recall it's a pain because it forks and seems to > exit.) Presumably Gnus successfully uses xdg-open after it finds the xdg-open entries in my mailcap file, so this problem can't be insurmountable, it seems. From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:15:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21331: 24.5; LibreOffice documents have less support than Microsoft Office docs (in Gnus?) Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 18:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21331 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 21331@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 21331-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21331.144061533627872 (code B ref 21331); Wed, 26 Aug 2015 18:56:02 +0000 Received: (at 21331) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Aug 2015 18:55:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39150 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUfrE-0007FU-Fo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:55:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56783) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUfrC-0007FM-8n for 21331@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:55:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUfr8-0001Zo-Cz for 21331@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:55:33 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41916) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUfr2-0001C2-Dn; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:55:24 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUfoF-000088-Df; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:52:31 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <87wpwj9brl.fsf@moondust.localdomain> (nljlistbox2@gmail.com) References: <87k2slhpj0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <87wpwj9brl.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:52:31 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > How can we get this fixed in everyone's mailcap file? > I don't see how that could be possible for Emacs. Presumably each user > must edit their own mailcap files to add support for the MIME types they > choose. The only support that Emacs could provide for this IIUC would be > to provide more explicit and more easily-found documentation. In my machine, running Trisquel, mailcap includes items that point at emacs. Not the Emacs I use, which is built from master, but an installed Emacs 24. I did not add those entries myself. Can anyone find out where they come from? Does installing the Emacs package add them? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:15:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21331: mailcap (was Re: bug#21331: 24.5; LibreOffice documents have less support...) Resent-From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. 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[134.190.135.29]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n10sm1499481qki.24.2015.08.26.13.31.19 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 26 Aug 2015 13:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) References: <87k2slhpj0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <87wpwiwbg0.fsf@md5i.com> <87io820x8d.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 17:31:18 -0300 In-Reply-To: <87io820x8d.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> (N. Jackson's message of "Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:34:58 -0300") Message-ID: <871tep23mx.fsf@moondust.localdomain> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) At 14:34 -0300 on Wednesday 2015-08-26, N. Jackson wrote: > At 13:19 -0300 on Wednesday 2015-08-26, Glenn Morris wrote: > >> I really doubt any GNU/Linux distribution has better support for MS >> Office in this area (a program they cannot ship or even install, >> ignoring Wine) then LibreOffice (which they do ship). > > I too really doubt that. Well it turns out we are both mistaken... > It worries me though, so I will probably go on investigating until I > find the truth of the matter. Surprisingly the preferential support for Microsoft Word files over LibreOffice Writer files that I observed _is_ coming from the Fedora distribution and has nothing to do with my own configuration; the mailcap file on my system after reinstalling the mailcap package -- which has the msword MIME type support -- is identical to the one in the distribution sources [1]. I have opened a bug report [2] against Fedora mailcap requesting that they rectify this. [1] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/mailcap.git [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1257331 From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:15:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#21331: mailcap (was Re: bug#21331: 24.5; LibreOffice documents have less support...) Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21331 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 21331@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 21331-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21331.14406927947314 (code B ref 21331); Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:27:02 +0000 Received: (at 21331) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Aug 2015 16:26:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40449 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZV00X-0001tu-Hd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:26:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41404) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZV00W-0001tn-DJ for 21331@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:26:32 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZV00V-00022N-G3 for 21331@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:26:32 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56789) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZV00U-00021s-BE; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:26:30 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZV00T-0004lk-KK; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:26:29 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <871tep23mx.fsf@moondust.localdomain> (nljlistbox2@gmail.com) References: <87k2slhpj0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <87wpwiwbg0.fsf@md5i.com> <87io820x8d.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> <871tep23mx.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:26:29 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I have opened a bug report [2] against Fedora mailcap requesting that > they rectify this. Thanks. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.