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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) `bibtex-clean-entry` removes curly braces from date fields, even if `bibtex-dialect` is set to `biblatex`. I have not been able to find documentation on this issue, but in my experience using latexmk and biber, this makes the entry invalid. I have had to re-add the curly braces to get my .bib files working again. If I am correct in thinking that dates with curly braces are generally compatible with biblatex, they should be left alone. Otherwise there should be an option to have them left alone. In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.10.7) of 2014-03-08 on toyol, modified by Debian Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11501000 System Description: Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 01 16:23:45 2019 Received: (at 21099) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2019 20:23:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55447 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htHc1-0001zM-Hh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2019 16:23:45 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:45844) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htHbx-0001z9-DS for 21099@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2019 16:23:41 -0400 Received: from 77.18.62.220.tmi.telenormobil.no ([77.18.62.220] helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1htHbt-0003co-Ou; Thu, 01 Aug 2019 22:23:40 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Brian Zbriger Subject: Re: bug#21099: 24.3; bibtex-clean-entry and date fields in biblatex References: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 22:23:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Brian Zbriger's message of "Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:16:12 +0800") Message-ID: <871ry4eit2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Brian Zbriger writes: > `bibtex-clean-entry` removes curly braces from date fields, even if > `bibtex-dialect` is set to `biblatex`. I have not been able to find > documentation on this issue, but in my experience using la [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21099 Cc: 21099@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Brian Zbriger writes: > `bibtex-clean-entry` removes curly braces from date fields, even if > `bibtex-dialect` is set to `biblatex`. I have not been able to find > documentation on this issue, but in my experience using latexmk and > biber, this makes the entry invalid. I have had to re-add the curly braces > to get my .bib files working again. > > If I am correct in thinking that dates with curly braces are generally > compatible with biblatex, they should be left alone. Otherwise there > should be an option to have them left alone. (I'm going through old bug reports that have unfortunately not gotten any responses.) 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[196.52.2.95]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w51sm38151045qth.18.2019.08.01.14.02.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 01 Aug 2019 14:02:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Gustavo Barros To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#21099: 24.3; bibtex-clean-entry and date fields in biblatex References: <871ry4eit2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 18:02:45 -0300 In-Reply-To: <871ry4eit2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 01 Aug 2019 22:23:37 +0200") Message-ID: <8736ik61l6.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21099 Cc: 21099@debbugs.gnu.org, Brian Zbriger X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Hi Lars, On Thu, Aug 01 2019, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Brian Zbriger writes: > >> `bibtex-clean-entry` removes curly braces from date fields, even if >> `bibtex-dialect` is set to `biblatex`. I have not been able to find >> documentation on this issue, but in my experience using latexmk and >> biber, this makes the entry invalid. I have had to re-add the curly brac= es >> to get my .bib files working again. >> >> If I am correct in thinking that dates with curly braces are generally >> compatible with biblatex, they should be left alone. Otherwise there >> should be an option to have them left alone. > > (I'm going through old bug reports that have unfortunately not gotten > any responses.) > > If this bug is still present, could you post a test case? I can add two things about this. First, that I=E2=80=99ve been using bibtex-mode for some time, with `(bibtex-dialect (quote biblatex))` and, with proper configuration of `bibtex-entry-format`, namely the exclusion of value `numerical-fields` which is added by default, I get braces in all of my fields, including date/year ones when using `bibtex-clean-entry`. On the other hand, it is true there is a dearth of documentation for "bibtex.el". It=E2=80=99s comments state: > See documentation for `bibtex-mode' or type "M-x describe-mode" when > you are in BibTeX mode. I might have missed it, but I cannot find a built-in documentation for it. And what we get for "C-h m" is scant. I have found some time ago something that has been put online. http://www.jonathanleroux.org/bibtex-mode.html It=E2=80=99s been made available with a note: > I am not the author of this file and am only putting it online > because, to my knowledge, it is not available anywhere else anymore > and I find it a very valuable reference. I wish to acknowledge here > the work of its author Stefan Schoef. I haven't been able to find out > who the current maintainer of the BibTex-Mode for GNU emacs is, but am > willing to withdraw this text or add any copyright notice that would > be deemed relevant.=20 >=20 > Jonathan Le Roux, June 2009.=20 But that=E2=80=99s the only source I=E2=80=99ve ever found for it. And it = is the most comprehensive piece I=E2=80=99ve found about it too, by far. Best regards, Gustavo Barros. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 02 07:22:56 2019 Received: (at 21099) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2019 11:22:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55876 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htVeB-00053I-NX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 07:22:55 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:57158) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htVe9-00053A-Pe for 21099@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 07:22:54 -0400 Received: from 77.18.62.220.tmi.telenormobil.no ([77.18.62.220] helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1htVe6-0001Ve-Rd; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 13:22:53 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Gustavo Barros Subject: Re: bug#21099: 24.3; bibtex-clean-entry and date fields in biblatex References: <871ry4eit2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <8736ik61l6.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 13:22:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8736ik61l6.fsf@gmail.com> (Gustavo Barros's message of "Thu, 01 Aug 2019 18:02:45 -0300") Message-ID: <87wofv95h1.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Gustavo Barros writes: > I can add two things about this. First, that I’ve been using > bibtex-mode for some time, with `(bibtex-dialect (quote biblatex))` and, > with proper configuration of `bibtex-entry-format`, namely [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21099 Cc: 21099@debbugs.gnu.org, Brian Zbriger X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Gustavo Barros writes: > I can add two things about this. First, that I=E2=80=99ve been using > bibtex-mode for some time, with `(bibtex-dialect (quote biblatex))` and, > with proper configuration of `bibtex-entry-format`, namely the exclusion > of value `numerical-fields` which is added by default, I get braces in > all of my fields, including date/year ones when using > `bibtex-clean-entry`. Do you have an example bibtex file that demonstrates the error in `bibtex-clean-entry'? > On the other hand, it is true there is a dearth of documentation for > "bibtex.el". It=E2=80=99s comments state: > >> See documentation for `bibtex-mode' or type "M-x describe-mode" when >> you are in BibTeX mode. > > I might have missed it, but I cannot find a built-in documentation for > it. And what we get for "C-h m" is scant. `C-h f bibtex-mode RET' gives me a quite long doc string (in Emacs 27, at least). --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 02 09:31:11 2019 Received: (at 21099) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2019 13:31:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56100 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htXeI-0006NM-Vg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 09:31:11 -0400 Received: from mail-qt1-f177.google.com ([209.85.160.177]:41234) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htXeH-0006N7-7X for 21099@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 09:31:09 -0400 Received: by mail-qt1-f177.google.com with SMTP id d17so73734317qtj.8 for <21099@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 06:31:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=crsVX3LwLDKa5IIL0DK8Qr6AtKxdzPY+ohooi4W2X2c=; b=rnPM1om2hl+OEDwMnRwkm/CG+S2MB2zoP/Hs/AUj8zSJJPZAhoVOiai5s3TLzkKLnj FxuNuSeTOhx+e3+aAHW6gIEeNJlAl/Fo9alXD1BaTk01uiGfzFTNrZcZ80N6D41QBMxD mHmEbPqPDyRx3j2L0vnTyUrIUCXMPV3ku0R7iS6WlUh16AvsWjZdPOIhpENGfGz7HleX U9eA3jNnDICQ3LUkSMsWDP8NuYbrl7Qf1Rg93wexpDAXC+bRAl1J/ijp7W+asR3jFOBm Y5rGEDp5MrQ/ytJ/rQ+hd7U3HW9K9nl0DRvAXCN8S+OGSlH6tj5FOSTTfnv0//tP8g9Y GCsg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=crsVX3LwLDKa5IIL0DK8Qr6AtKxdzPY+ohooi4W2X2c=; b=Vve7QWJnQfVMt9E5c58OHcGx904IslMg8UW1oio2dchkJCAXxMluaXhQOJvdmh2WvE zNzfhoU1aKSRNEgmaP9vYDDs3vsMSdLd9vsPMcFaqxaUI3wD8qrDzbSAwxi0ipeOy82/ yy40iXw2SgZQd7V7qSBU4v/vSCUmLgJuPJyqbDdu4c648c3Y3xLTdaJ6tTtW+pIGFFdm qcCjAN0tIo3K08n7GGvh9D1t52J3lCclDioC52r850fX/7llSiz9QHEgs1dLAuJgx8LN rkpOCx1M3R7JTXV1h2kF1ksXZu/94JrzuGs0k0qSDSsb+I/Ao8g9qwyF++3QZnlnEjCI 3ryw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVjQJub8qZx8sITQ+kmR3NYktwqHHnGkhq+F4q4PJZFFETvcohy AS7Q05EVJqx4PYqYoY+TSqSsQq1iiUg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxH3V2mkR51eIWyp/JkBjT/yUE4fan1fEAdIEhlco8xqzopGzLXeCWpdhO7fTmZr1WRABOIfQ== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:b786:: with SMTP id l6mr97965684qve.148.1564752663500; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 06:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ufjf-desktop ([2001:12f0:614:16fa:b55e:9ca6:269b:31f9]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o10sm36916140qti.62.2019.08.02.06.31.01 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 02 Aug 2019 06:31:02 -0700 (PDT) References: <871ry4eit2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <8736ik61l6.fsf@gmail.com> <87wofv95h1.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 26.2 From: Gustavo Barros To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#21099: 24.3; bibtex-clean-entry and date fields in biblatex In-reply-to: <87wofv95h1.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 10:30:58 -0300 Message-ID: <87sgqjhey5.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21099 Cc: 21099@debbugs.gnu.org, Brian Zbriger X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Hi Lars, On Fri, Aug 02 2019, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Do you have an example bibtex file that demonstrates the error in > `bibtex-clean-entry'? Precisely, what I meant to say is that (currently at least) the problem=20 does not seem to arise. The default value of `bibtex-entry-format`, indeed makes=20 `bibtex-clean-entry` strip braces of numerical fields. But this=20 behavior can be customized by removing `numerical-fields` from=20 `bibtex-entry-format`. So, with defaults, from an original entry like: @Article{Author2019c, author =3D {Author}, title =3D {Title}, journaltitle =3D {Journal title}, date =3D {2019}, } the result of `bibtex-clean-entry` is: @Article{Author2019c, author =3D {Author}, title =3D {Title}, journaltitle =3D {Journal title}, date =3D 2019, } If we customize `bibtex-entry-format` by just removing=20 `numerical-fields` from it with: (setq bibtex-entry-format '(opts-or-alts required-fields)) We then get from `bibtex-clean-entry`: @Article{Author2019c, author =3D {Author}, title =3D {Title}, journaltitle =3D {Journal title}, date =3D {2019}, } Besides, to the best of my knowledge, the default of striping braces of=20 numerical fields is also not problematic for biblatex or biber. And I=20 see no reason why latexmk would have any special implications on the=20 case. > `C-h f bibtex-mode RET' gives me a quite long doc string (in Emacs 27, > at least). I expressed myself poorly here. Of course the docstring is built-in=20 documentation. What I meant to say is that there appears to be no info=20 document for bibtex-mode. And please compare the docstring with the=20 link I provided. The content of that link seems to have been the=20 =E2=80=9Cmanual=E2=80=9D of bibtex-mode which, as far as I could search, is= not (no=20 longer?) shipped with Emacs. In my experience with bibtex-mode, that =E2=80=9Cmanual=E2=80=9D was quite = useful. I=20 have no idea if there was any good reason for it not being included with=20 the package itself (or for it to be dropped). But, if the only reason=20 was that it got =E2=80=9Clost in the way=E2=80=9D it might be worth to try = to recover=20 it. But I might well be drifting from the OP here. From a strict=20 perspective, the message is: I cannot (currently) reproduce the problem,=20 it is likely just a customization issue, and even the default behavior=20 of bibtex-mode should not make biblatex/biber choke. Best regards, Gustavo Barros. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 02 14:10:28 2019 Received: (at 21099) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2019 18:10:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57689 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htc0Z-0001Sq-Mu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 14:10:28 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:33594) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htc0X-0001Sg-Ne for 21099@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 14:10:26 -0400 Received: from 77.18.62.220.tmi.telenormobil.no ([77.18.62.220] helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1htc0T-0004hQ-Q7; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 20:10:24 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Gustavo Barros Subject: Re: bug#21099: 24.3; bibtex-clean-entry and date fields in biblatex References: <871ry4eit2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <8736ik61l6.fsf@gmail.com> <87wofv95h1.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87sgqjhey5.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 20:10:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87sgqjhey5.fsf@gmail.com> (Gustavo Barros's message of "Fri, 02 Aug 2019 10:30:58 -0300") Message-ID: <87blx7phf7.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Gustavo Barros writes: > So, with defaults, from an original entry like: > > @Article{Author2019c, > author = {Author}, > title = {Title}, > journaltitle = {Journal title}, > date = {2019}, > } > > the result of `bibtex-cle [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21099 Cc: Brian Zbriger , 21099@debbugs.gnu.org, Roland Winkler X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Gustavo Barros writes: > So, with defaults, from an original entry like: > > @Article{Author2019c, > author = {Author}, > title = {Title}, > journaltitle = {Journal title}, > date = {2019}, > } > > the result of `bibtex-clean-entry` is: > > @Article{Author2019c, > author = {Author}, > title = {Title}, > journaltitle = {Journal title}, > date = 2019, > } Right; this is what the bug report claims makes latexmk and biber stop working, but you say later that this isn't the case? Could there be versions of these programs that choke on brace-less entries? (If it sounds like it's been a long time since I've used bibtex and has forgotten most everything about it, that's correct. :-) I've now Cc'd the bibtex maintainer.) > If we customize `bibtex-entry-format` by just removing > `numerical-fields` from it with: > > (setq bibtex-entry-format > '(opts-or-alts required-fields)) > > We then get from `bibtex-clean-entry`: > > @Article{Author2019c, > author = {Author}, > title = {Title}, > journaltitle = {Journal title}, > date = {2019}, > } > > Besides, to the best of my knowledge, the default of striping braces > of numerical fields is also not problematic for biblatex or biber. > And I see no reason why latexmk would have any special implications on > the case. > I expressed myself poorly here. Of course the docstring is built-in > documentation. What I meant to say is that there appears to be no > info document for bibtex-mode. Yes, the manual just refers to the doc string: --- Bib@TeX{} mode is a major mode for Bib@TeX{} files, which are commonly used for keeping bibliographic references for @LaTeX{} documents. For more information, see the documentation string for the command @code{bibtex-mode}. --- > But I might well be drifting from the OP here. From a strict > perspective, the message is: I cannot (currently) reproduce the > problem, it is likely just a customization issue, and even the default > behavior of bibtex-mode should not make biblatex/biber choke. Right. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 02 15:18:53 2019 Received: (at 21099) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2019 19:18:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57736 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htd4m-0007T2-U6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 15:18:53 -0400 Received: from mail-qk1-f181.google.com ([209.85.222.181]:46298) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htd4l-0007Sn-59 for 21099@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 15:18:51 -0400 Received: by mail-qk1-f181.google.com with SMTP id r4so55570646qkm.13 for <21099@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 12:18:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PdbuMDfvrEWU4/GyOZDMFB2oKRUpIrXicPNcbgsZDfU=; b=mtLLvPwViq1XAh44YsJTNvkhPDkqqjGI06GiRMfnRKXN+8DpnpmJjRNHw5ScQuB7UU pjfVbCgmUZkVCj8iJKNkaEuM3hPhQf4IXlSwIAEdZme57ySMH6iIcU6OW6TCtNCe4dP4 41gqdVZPPi4sgNboAoG5Qx28hrh58Ekafo+OdfwIZCAqZHuieP6xN1x92+qM7TPiVLL3 g5QGhRSmMrsQKd9NAciXbt87t4UqAZPDP5Fga2594lit+TJplJW7iXGuWKI5V8E98CbX cizomWbkq9EUelVlD/VKpLK/G6Ry0EZ4sg6EK5hKUOJpMKBo7Sj9GnBqnC+Noirgwxor MZbQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PdbuMDfvrEWU4/GyOZDMFB2oKRUpIrXicPNcbgsZDfU=; b=trfEDZ5G31EQK4SmRerHAIUB869r9xJex0ToV9cDTsQnfaYEuzlnB9JVx5NQzriL4x 8vkUMjRrHlNDzh9E7HpUrAVYzLdziI3B9mLIDz7Tb+lOjoSP+rLPqwEhYtJk4s0DbkQO cuZhHucQDLDTFF3mcJR03b8yr8GRWfWHSCTKKDw0UUUTlUxA6xNUJq421PsJI+dZXWqo zx+iGuUG82xjFsmvwCYcjoR24Hq0+8Jsh2XdeSrv8fPJe3WK0amaQXlLMDnqGucXP5Y2 Z6TTFkqvVBUWOW24bYMfJ0mfrpSMsS1bWDKk+g1cVxZwcov4VftPqVaseyPE4iq9shAV sbtg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVxta2Exvyr0BnrgVLhPf2qI4vXYLq/zzgvpLq1kUEcGWs9AEVP Hjwq/dPKXGKBcWWbijVmL6Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxZitbSMgMQBpvcmS52H5yBplXKxy13suQz/LNXEISaAzQZ1dPGIIvAd2ERMrg7/Gsni28A3w== X-Received: by 2002:a37:a5c6:: with SMTP id o189mr92392418qke.455.1564773525620; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 12:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gusbrs-laptop ([107.182.231.115]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r26sm31574917qkm.57.2019.08.02.12.18.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 02 Aug 2019 12:18:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <871ry4eit2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <8736ik61l6.fsf@gmail.com> <87wofv95h1.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87sgqjhey5.fsf@gmail.com> <87blx7phf7.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 26.2 From: Gustavo Barros To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#21099: 24.3; bibtex-clean-entry and date fields in biblatex In-reply-to: <87blx7phf7.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 16:18:40 -0300 Message-ID: <878ssbbckv.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21099 Cc: Brian Zbriger , 21099@debbugs.gnu.org, Roland Winkler X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Hi Lars, On Fri, Aug 02 2019, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > > Right; this is what the bug report claims makes latexmk and biber stop > working, but you say later that this isn't the case? Could there be > versions of these programs that choke on brace-less entries? > Not that I=E2=80=99m aware of. biblatex tries hard to keep backward=20 compatibility, especially with the BibTeX entry *format*. So I=E2=80=99d b= e=20 surprised if that was the case. (Not so with a field with text,=20 e.g. `month =3D jan` is indeed different from `month =3D "jan"`). I=E2=80= =99ve been=20 active a number of years on TeX.SX with the biblatex and biber tags, and=20 I don=E2=80=99t recall a case of missing braces in dates producing issues. = Of=20 course, it is hard to remember such things, so before I wrote I had done=20 some (light) testing on a file with different cases and built it=20 successfully with `latex -> biber -> latex` with a current TeX=20 Live. (That=E2=80=99s why you got "Author2019c" as an example). Anyway, si= nce=20 you asked, I took a look at the file "biblatex-examples.bib", which=20 ships with biblatex and which, as far as I know, is the one used for=20 testing it, entries such as: @article{aksin, author =3D {Aks{\i}n, {\"O}zge and T{\"u}rkmen, Hayati and=20 Artok, Levent and {\c{C}}etinkaya, Bekir and Ni, Chaoying and B{\"u}y{\"u}kg{\"u}ng{\"o}r, Orhan and {\"O}zkal,=20 Erhan}, title =3D {Effect of immobilization on catalytic=20 characteristics of saturated {Pd-N}-heterocyclic carbenes in=20 {Mizoroki-Heck} reactions}, journaltitle =3D jomch, date =3D 2006, volume =3D 691, number =3D 13, pages =3D {3027-3036}, indextitle =3D {Effect of immobilization on catalytic=20 characteristics}, } @article{angenendt, author =3D {Angenendt, Arnold}, title =3D {In Honore Salvatoris~-- Vom Sinn und Unsinn der Patrozinienkunde}, journaltitle =3D {Revue d'Histoire Eccl{\'e}siastique}, date =3D 2002, volume =3D 97, pages =3D {431--456, 791--823}, langid =3D {german}, indextitle =3D {In Honore Salvatoris}, shorttitle =3D {In Honore Salvatoris}, annotation =3D {A German article in a French journal. Apart from=20 that, a typical \texttt{article} entry. Note the=20 \texttt{indextitle} field}, } @article{baez/article, author =3D {Baez, John C. and Lauda, Aaron D.}, title =3D {Higher-Dimensional Algebra {V}: 2-Groups}, journaltitle =3D {Theory and Applications of Categories}, date =3D 2004, volume =3D 12, pages =3D {423-491}, version =3D 3, eprint =3D {math/0307200v3}, eprinttype =3D {arxiv}, langid =3D {english}, langidopts =3D {variant=3Damerican}, annotation =3D {An \texttt{article} with \texttt{eprint} and \texttt{eprinttype} fields. Note that the arXiv=20 reference is transformed into a clickable link if=20 \texttt{hyperref} support has been enabled. Compare \texttt{baez\slash=20 online}, which is the same item given as an \texttt{online}=20 entry}, } @article{bertram, author =3D {Bertram, Aaron and Wentworth, Richard}, title =3D {Gromov invariants for holomorphic maps on=20 {Riemann} surfaces}, journaltitle =3D jams, date =3D 1996, volume =3D 9, number =3D 2, pages =3D {529-571}, langid =3D {english}, langidopts =3D {variant=3Damerican}, shorttitle =3D {Gromov invariants}, annotation =3D {An \texttt{article} entry with a \texttt{volume}=20 and a \texttt{number} field}, } @article{doody, author =3D {Doody, Terrence}, title =3D {Hemingway's Style and {Jake's} Narration}, year =3D 1974, volume =3D 4, number =3D 3, pages =3D {212-225}, langid =3D {english}, langidopts =3D {variant=3Damerican}, related =3D {matuz:doody}, relatedstring=3D {\autocap{e}xcerpt in}, journal =3D {The Journal of Narrative Technique}, annotation =3D {An \texttt{article} entry cited as an excerpt from= =20 a \texttt{collection} entry. Note the format of the \texttt{related} and \texttt{relatedstring}=20 fields}, } @collection{matuz:doody, editor =3D {Matuz, Roger}, title =3D {Contemporary Literary Criticism}, year =3D 1990, volume =3D 61, publisher =3D {Gale}, location =3D {Detroit}, pages =3D {204-208}, langid =3D {english}, langidopts =3D {variant=3Damerican}, annotation =3D {A \texttt{collection} entry providing the excerpt=20 information for the \texttt{doody} entry. Note the format of=20 the \texttt{pages} field}, } And there is plenty more of examples of numeric fields without braces or=20 quotes there. Regarding latexmk, I=E2=80=99m not a regular user of it. But, as far as I = know,=20 it is not a proper TeX =E2=80=9Cengine=E2=80=9D, it is a build automation t= ool which=20 wraps around the usual ones. So I see no reason why it should make a=20 difference. Best regards, Gustavo Barros. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 02 16:53:10 2019 Received: (at 21099) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2019 20:53:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57899 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hteY1-0003nI-V7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 16:53:10 -0400 Received: from mail-io1-f49.google.com ([209.85.166.49]:37633) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hteXx-0003mm-UF for 21099@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 16:53:06 -0400 Received: by mail-io1-f49.google.com with SMTP id q22so35231893iog.4 for <21099@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 13:53:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dIGTXZkMXVo/8qS4hc6hGdIsB8JVecLkCV1m3nFsAFA=; b=vLkHsX0IhK4nvSjDZWL1etsYlMmiWVSK2kFrZXFTEMCg8jru24x70RvIYNPSsK+uKU baX9GRy4n9E/BUHJhxzKiYCEomRgFPCBpzFvjJy1bGcaOEb9gRCZn8pDGrgL0eGYcctR A6t1p/xCmGHlQnVlXv11SzfPoovxo/fT3lSpHBCYJXenHBmsAavXvTafHa6kvlo2FUFJ Dz9Jpq3dTMkr9kKewg7BNfuFl/daKjVsm+e8UddKSLZxDNXgmKuTWu1Cmt4H5R0K9eYi EEw4B4PX1pqYZLGm0+7XkfxKezPPRvBdbshbrao+rRDAgmaUiWxgalgrRSR5o7IRmMHN 0eWQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dIGTXZkMXVo/8qS4hc6hGdIsB8JVecLkCV1m3nFsAFA=; b=Ql3DUNN8u94fj5bFeh/Lb7jnSNwYRZjK7XQZ+BAMeINK8a/7Bu/kLS06JEAi6Ir01Y pitYhc/TcBhi38nVhDCnAFA6prO/oK94qZaBi6uQuj7OZPExMib2/UW9Y7EOmCb+KKmZ 2wys8PfJwIM6xiOYZQeBgJTqAYC45EL2t3t33btm77QmS8bkwoMsn9gKlwBOl1vIFl5S R2xde2KwWtbP+jla77qL5ZHO15npYmqV5Ml0ML9IGhCvXacPlNiDwrjL8pw/bUWpNsl2 T4FWMJUooy53u3XDTiVqwvrbxTevdZ3O+SIcBtI4QQjI93aoo9I07kfMiOBIQeJek+iq kIvg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU2dGEygRqMxHKxJVoDpte0SCgpab0letQJLhwEz6/CVNeOBZYC quRcESxQNLrKQHBmcELRaDw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxiYqvwcFNYawaOW62wpcJZsbKIL8nf2YwTc8qnN/aQ8uCGYEqg2wMroHOEOw8daqfFm9JD6w== X-Received: by 2002:a02:ab83:: with SMTP id t3mr140327301jan.133.1564779180269; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 13:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gusbrs-laptop ([199.116.115.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z26sm77376070ioi.85.2019.08.02.13.52.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 02 Aug 2019 13:52:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <871ry4eit2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <8736ik61l6.fsf@gmail.com> <87wofv95h1.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87sgqjhey5.fsf@gmail.com> <87blx7phf7.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <878ssbbckv.fsf@gmail.com> User-agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 26.2 From: Gustavo Barros To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#21099: 24.3; bibtex-clean-entry and date fields in biblatex In-reply-to: <878ssbbckv.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 17:52:55 -0300 Message-ID: <87h86z9tnc.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21099 Cc: Brian Zbriger , 21099@debbugs.gnu.org, Roland Winkler X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Fri, Aug 02 2019, Gustavo Barros wrote: > > Not that I=E2=80=99m aware of. biblatex tries hard to keep backward=20 > compatibility, > especially with the BibTeX entry *format*. So I=E2=80=99d be surprised i= f=20 > that was > the case. > Just to be sure I=E2=80=99m not misunderstood here. I=E2=80=99m not arguin= g that an=20 issue could never occur. Only that expected behavior is to work well=20 with numeric fields without braces or quotes. And, thus, current=20 defaults of bibtex-mode are quite sane in this respect. Best regards, Gustavo Barros. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 03 08:18:50 2019 Received: (at 21099) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Aug 2019 12:18:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58424 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htszp-0002Wm-Pv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Aug 2019 08:18:50 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:46366) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htszo-0002Wd-8e for 21099@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Aug 2019 08:18:48 -0400 Received: from 77.18.62.220.tmi.telenormobil.no ([77.18.62.220] helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1htszl-0004Ey-32; Sat, 03 Aug 2019 14:18:47 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Gustavo Barros Subject: Re: bug#21099: 24.3; bibtex-clean-entry and date fields in biblatex References: <871ry4eit2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <8736ik61l6.fsf@gmail.com> <87wofv95h1.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87sgqjhey5.fsf@gmail.com> <87blx7phf7.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <878ssbbckv.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2019 14:18:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <878ssbbckv.fsf@gmail.com> (Gustavo Barros's message of "Fri, 02 Aug 2019 16:18:40 -0300") Message-ID: <87sgqijvbv.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Gustavo Barros writes: > And there is plenty more of examples of numeric fields without braces > or quotes there. Thanks for explaining how this works. I think the conclusion here is that it's (as you say) unlikely that bibtex.el does something wrong here (by default), so I'm closing this bug report. 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I think the conclusion here is that it's (as you say) unlikely that bibtex.el does something wrong here (by default), so I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 03 08:19:06 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Aug 2019 12:19:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58428 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htt06-0002Xj-5Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Aug 2019 08:19:06 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:46384) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htt04-0002Xb-OZ for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Aug 2019 08:19:05 -0400 Received: from 77.18.62.220.tmi.telenormobil.no ([77.18.62.220] helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1htt01-0004F6-QG for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Aug 2019 14:19:03 +0200 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2019 14:19:01 +0200 Message-Id: <87r262jvbe.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #21099 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 21099 notabug close 21099 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 21099 notabug close 21099 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 04 15:48:13 2019 Received: (at 21099) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Aug 2019 19:48:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34247 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huMUH-00067j-Bg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 15:48:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44923) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huMUF-00067U-8I for 21099@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 15:48:11 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49356) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1huMUA-00022U-0h; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 15:48:06 -0400 Received: from c-68-61-214-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net ([68.61.214.70]:60676 helo=regnitz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1huMU9-0002vK-Ko; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 15:48:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13936.24188.845267.23879@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 14:48:00 -0500 From: "Roland Winkler" To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#21099: 24.3; bibtex-clean-entry and date fields in biblatex In-Reply-To: <87blx7phf7.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> References: <871ry4eit2.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <8736ik61l6.fsf@gmail.com> <87wofv95h1.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87sgqjhey5.fsf@gmail.com> <87blx7phf7.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21099 Cc: Brian Zbriger , 21099@debbugs.gnu.org, Gustavo Barros X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On Fri Aug 2 2019 Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Gustavo Barros writes: > > > So, with defaults, from an original entry like: > > > > @Article{Author2019c, > > author = {Author}, > > title = {Title}, > > journaltitle = {Journal title}, > > date = {2019}, > > } > > > > the result of `bibtex-clean-entry` is: > > > > @Article{Author2019c, > > author = {Author}, > > title = {Title}, > > journaltitle = {Journal title}, > > date = 2019, > > } > > Right; this is what the bug report claims makes latexmk and biber stop > working, but you say later that this isn't the case? Could there be > versions of these programs that choke on brace-less entries? If for whatever reason you do not want to remove the braces from a numeric field such as `date', you can achieve this by removing the element numerical-fields from the user variable bibtex-entry-format. (The element numerical-fields has been part of the default value of bibtex-entry-format for longer than I have been the maintainer of bibtex.el (since ~1999).) From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:18:18 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2019 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator