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24.4; Meta on left win key doesn't work

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From: André Wöbbeking <Woebbeking <at> web.de>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.4; Meta on left win key doesn't work
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2015 09:39:38 +0200

Hi,

I've a MicroSoft keyboard (german layout) and want the left Win key
to be Meta and the left Alt to be Alt. To achieve this I used KDE's
system settings for input devices (advanced options). After I changed
the settings xev reports the left Win key as Meta and also all Qt/KDE
programs do. But in Emacs left Win key gives me Hyper and left Alt
gives me Meta.

With setxkbmap -query I get:

rules:      evdev
model:      microsoftprousb
layout:     de
options:    caps:hyper,altwin:left_meta_win

If I change the settings for caps lock to be e. g. the compose key Emacs
works as expected.


Cheers,
Andre


In GNU Emacs 24.4.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.9)
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Message #8 received at 20743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: nljlistbox2 <at> gmail.com (N. Jackson)
To: André Wöbbeking <Woebbeking <at> web.de>
Cc: 20743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#20743: 24.4; Meta on left win key doesn't work
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 23:46:12 -0300

At 04:39 -0300 on Friday 2015-06-05, André Wöbbeking wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've a MicroSoft keyboard (german layout) and want the left Win key
> to be Meta and the left Alt to be Alt. To achieve this I used KDE's
> system settings for input devices (advanced options). After I changed
> the settings xev reports the left Win key as Meta and also all Qt/KDE
> programs do. But in Emacs left Win key gives me Hyper and left Alt
> gives me Meta.

Emacs <META> is usually Alt on modern mainstream systems (see
M-: (info "(emacs) User Input")).

Do you get the results you want in Emacs if you map that left logo key
to Alt instead of to KDE's idea of Meta?

Message #11 received at 20743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: nljlistbox2 <at> gmail.com (N. Jackson)
Cc: André Wöbbeking <Woebbeking <at> web.de>,
 20743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#20743: 24.4; Meta on left win key doesn't work
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 11:21:01 -0400

>> the settings xev reports the left Win key as Meta and also all Qt/KDE
>> programs do. But in Emacs left Win key gives me Hyper and left Alt
>> gives me Meta.

In X11, modifiers have two names: there's the "Sym" name associated with
the key, and then there's the mapping to which Sym name is used for
which modifier bit.

Remapping key names ("Sym"s) is not sufficient to change the modifier to
which they're associated (or to mark them as a modifier).

So, check the output of "xmodmap", which will probably show that your
"Meta_L" is mapped to the "mod5" modifier, which is traditionally
interpreted as "hyper", tho IIRC this mapping between modifier bits and
the corresponding name is more subtle and not completely standardized.


        Stefan

Message #14 received at 20743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net
To: nljlistbox2 <at> gmail.com (N. Jackson)
Cc: André Wöbbeking <Woebbeking <at> web.de>,
 20743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#20743: 24.4; Meta on left win key doesn't work
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:08:09 -0400

tags 20743 moreinfo
close 20743 
quit

nljlistbox2 <at> gmail.com (N. Jackson) writes:

> At 04:39 -0300 on Friday 2015-06-05, André Wöbbeking wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've a MicroSoft keyboard (german layout) and want the left Win key
>> to be Meta and the left Alt to be Alt. To achieve this I used KDE's
>> system settings for input devices (advanced options). After I changed
>> the settings xev reports the left Win key as Meta and also all Qt/KDE
>> programs do. But in Emacs left Win key gives me Hyper and left Alt
>> gives me Meta.
>
> Emacs <META> is usually Alt on modern mainstream systems (see
> M-: (info "(emacs) User Input")).
>
> Do you get the results you want in Emacs if you map that left logo key
> to Alt instead of to KDE's idea of Meta?

Since there's been no feedback from the OP, I'm closing this bug.

Message #17 received at 20743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net>
Cc: nljlistbox2 <at> gmail.com,
 André Wöbbeking <Woebbeking <at> web.de>,
 20743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#20743: 24.4; Meta on left win key doesn't work
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 01:28:22 +0200

tags 20743 moreinfo
close 20743
quit

npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net writes:

> tags 20743 moreinfo
> close 20743
> quit
>
> nljlistbox2 <at> gmail.com (N. Jackson) writes:
>
>> At 04:39 -0300 on Friday 2015-06-05, André Wöbbeking wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've a MicroSoft keyboard (german layout) and want the left Win key
>>> to be Meta and the left Alt to be Alt. To achieve this I used KDE's
>>> system settings for input devices (advanced options). After I changed
>>> the settings xev reports the left Win key as Meta and also all Qt/KDE
>>> programs do. But in Emacs left Win key gives me Hyper and left Alt
>>> gives me Meta.
>>
>> Emacs <META> is usually Alt on modern mainstream systems (see
>> M-: (info "(emacs) User Input")).
>>
>> Do you get the results you want in Emacs if you map that left logo key
>> to Alt instead of to KDE's idea of Meta?
>
> Since there's been no feedback from the OP, I'm closing this bug.

This seems to have not been closed at the time; closing now.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

Message #24 received at 20743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: André Wöbbeking <Woebbeking <at> web.de>
To: 20743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#20743: 24.4; Meta on left win key doesn't work
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 08:07:27 +0200

Hi,

On Montag, 30. September 2019 01:28:22 CEST Stefan Kangas wrote:
> tags 20743 moreinfo
> close 20743
> quit

I'm sorry for not answering your questions. Somehow I missed them :-( 
But I got a mail about closing this entry ;-)

Closing it is fine for me as it works as expected meanwhile :-)

Cheers,
André

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