From unknown Wed Jun 18 23:17:39 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#20462 <20462@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#20462 <20462@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 25.0.50; A minor mode's doc string should say it is [local/global] a minor mode Reply-To: bug#20462 <20462@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2025 06:17:39 +0000 retitle 20462 25.0.50; A minor mode's doc string should say it is [local/gl= obal] a minor mode reassign 20462 emacs submitter 20462 Drew Adams severity 20462 wishlist thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 29 13:30:08 2015 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2015 17:30:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56651 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YnVoC-0005H9-8i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:30:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59417) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YnVo8-0005GV-65 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:30:00 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YnVo2-0003Ux-DE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:29:55 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:50766) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YnVo2-0003Ut-A8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:29:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44687) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YnVo1-0007uS-Ak for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:29:54 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YnVny-0003UU-0I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:29:53 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:29765) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YnVnx-0003UQ-OD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:29:49 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t3THTmpk008849 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:29:49 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t3THTltX032734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:29:48 GMT Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t3THTlhD000857 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:29:47 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <38bd87fc-e9d5-43c1-9687-e66faf993c7e@default> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:29:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.0.50; A minor mode's doc string should say it is [local/global] a minor mode X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) A minor mode created conventionally, i.e., using `define-minor-mode' or `define-globalized-minor-mode', should automatically have its doc string say explicitly that it is a minor mode and whether it is local or global. That helps users know what to expect, because all such minor modes have some things in common, which are well documented. In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-04-05 on LEG570 Bzr revision: 16eec6fc55dcc05d1d819f18998e84a9580b2521 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --host=3Di686-pc-mingw32 --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 30 03:12:51 2015 Received: (at 20462) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2015 07:12:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56914 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YnieR-0002qF-1Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 03:12:51 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:46181 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YnieP-0002q8-IX for 20462@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 03:12:49 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YnieP-0007qe-5W; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 03:12:49 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 20462@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#20462: 25.0.50; A minor mode's doc string should say it is [local/global] a minor mode References: <38bd87fc-e9d5-43c1-9687-e66faf993c7e@default> X-Spook: Taiwan Consul Arnett Europol ASIO 2600 Magazine David X-Ran: %_~tXuc(uP;veGlY>Ci8X%D4CV*:_'x?xSy'yo9Wf9]_4iECj#a95y,)`bs[(5OlN!wkBY X-Hue: cyan X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 03:12:49 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20462 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) (define-globalized-minor-mode foo auto-fill-mode 'ignore) C-h foo Toggle Auto-Fill mode in all buffers. 1) It's a minor mode (you can't toggle a major mode, nor sensibly apply it to all buffers). 2) It's global ("all buffers"). (define-minor-mode blah nil) C-f blah Toggle Blah mode on or off. 1) It's a minor mode (you can't toggle a major mode) 2) Since it does not say it affects all buffers, don't assume it does. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 30 09:48:10 2015 Received: (at 20462) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2015 13:48:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57115 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ynooz-0005gX-J9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 09:48:10 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:19318) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ynoow-0005g1-MY for 20462@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 09:48:07 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t3UDlxmx002148 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:47:59 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t3UDlx32002938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:47:59 GMT Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t3UDlxKu003323; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:47:59 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0c1fb227-fad9-4410-a08d-96602eb39db3@default> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 06:47:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Glenn Morris , 20462@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#20462: 25.0.50; A minor mode's doc string should say it is [local/global] a minor mode References: <38bd87fc-e9d5-43c1-9687-e66faf993c7e@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20462 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > (define-globalized-minor-mode foo auto-fill-mode 'ignore) > C-h foo > Toggle Auto-Fill mode in all buffers. >=20 > 1) It's a minor mode (you can't toggle a major mode, nor sensibly > apply it to all buffers). > 2) It's global ("all buffers"). > (define-minor-mode blah nil) > C-f blah > Toggle Blah mode on or off. > 1) It's a minor mode (you can't toggle a major mode) > 2) Since it does not say it affects all buffers, don't assume it > does. Irrelevant to this bug report. A command that toggles something, including toggling a mode, is not necessarily a minor-mode command.=20 See, for example, the misnamed `use-hard-newlines' command of bug #20464. It happens to be a minor-mode command. But with that name it might just as well not have been. And there is no way to tell from its doc string that it has anything to do with a minor mode. `define-globalized-minor-mode' and `define-minor-mode' should explicitly add something to the doc string to make clear that the command is not just some command that toggles. They should explicitly mention "minor mode". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 30 09:56:08 2015 Received: (at 20462) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2015 13:56:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57657 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ynowi-00061E-4D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 09:56:08 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:25209) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ynowd-00060f-5s for 20462@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 09:56:03 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t3UDtv9N014145 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:55:57 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t3UDtuwT004610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:55:56 GMT Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t3UDtuqB006783; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:55:56 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9e82a7d8-e03c-42f8-b03c-694bd36e8ac2@default> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 06:55:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Glenn Morris , 20462@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#20462: 25.0.50; A minor mode's doc string should say it is [local/global] a minor mode References: <38bd87fc-e9d5-43c1-9687-e66faf993c7e@default> <0c1fb227-fad9-4410-a08d-96602eb39db3@default> In-Reply-To: <0c1fb227-fad9-4410-a08d-96602eb39db3@default> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20462 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > See, for example, the misnamed `use-hard-newlines' command of > bug #20464. I meant bug #20461, which is about the name. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 30 11:36:23 2015 Received: (at 20462) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2015 15:36:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57732 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YnqVe-0001Vx-6T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:36:23 -0400 Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com ([209.85.217.169]:35502) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YnqVX-0001Vb-0S for 20462@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:36:16 -0400 Received: by lbbuc2 with SMTP id uc2so47570998lbb.2 for <20462@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 08:36:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cXOa3i66agcutTnsHf6lmNogPx05SO4Do2KLhLRzCS0=; b=pXHYJSOAMXz9W7+AjG+00Fi9ORGczqUcbN7lw85tMEKGvUhtCm8iPPbz0O2aPN2VD3 uF3qikVpN8l77+6KfKn5OC82Vk3ijiwtwN+gS+86vpCwuoCV1MLinvt3+wTza7vKehzN kdB3sDMoYZxVjue6+FTf8+oWvxRWM+ZNyWYWhjIsUvpyF3cTxqfSI1Pu4aw+w2qUZC+l buFR0HwAhEXSsS/u9GczrCp1tir7vnmPMBaVQSngwcJTAs8bdsZGNpXMrz8sb23IAloz F1aIueTvWSgwR9rh8Orm4C/hEaS5v1HTeX68Zn6+tFnCh3egm0kt3H7WLx2gaWVhja5v zPSQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.87.204 with SMTP id ba12mr4466990lab.35.1430408164779; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 08:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.150.1 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 08:36:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0c1fb227-fad9-4410-a08d-96602eb39db3@default> References: <38bd87fc-e9d5-43c1-9687-e66faf993c7e@default> <0c1fb227-fad9-4410-a08d-96602eb39db3@default> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 16:36:04 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5e2Q0PTYPqHQO_V3VWtZz0uaoZ0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#20462: 25.0.50; A minor mode's doc string should say it is [local/global] a minor mode From: Artur Malabarba To: Drew Adams Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20462 Cc: Glenn Morris , 20462@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) 2015-04-30 14:47 GMT+01:00 Drew Adams >> (define-globalized-minor-mode foo auto-fill-mode 'ignore) >> C-h foo >> Toggle Auto-Fill mode in all buffers. >> >> 1) It's a minor mode (you can't toggle a major mode, nor sensibly >> apply it to all buffers). >> 2) It's global ("all buffers"). >> (define-minor-mode blah nil) >> C-f blah >> Toggle Blah mode on or off. >> 1) It's a minor mode (you can't toggle a major mode) >> 2) Since it does not say it affects all buffers, don't assume it >> does. > > Irrelevant to this bug report. A command that toggles something, > including toggling a mode, is not necessarily a minor-mode command. I agree with Drew here. The fact that this information can be inferred (deciphered, perhaps) from the docstring doesn't mean that it shouldn't be included explicitly. Even more so where it comes minor modes, which are commands that even the most basic users will interact with (and probably read). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 15:03:37 2016 Received: (at 20462) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 19:03:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58413 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awaAz-0005e1-3K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:03:37 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:59688) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awaAx-0005du-9w for 20462@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:03:35 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awaAu-0005j5-Qp; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 21:03:34 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#20462: 25.0.50; A minor mode's doc string should say it is [local/global] a minor mode References: <38bd87fc-e9d5-43c1-9687-e66faf993c7e@default> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 21:03:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <38bd87fc-e9d5-43c1-9687-e66faf993c7e@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:29:46 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87shy2dim3.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20462 Cc: 20462@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: > A minor mode created conventionally, i.e., using `define-minor-mode' or > `define-globalized-minor-mode', should automatically have its doc string > say explicitly that it is a minor mode and whether it is local or > global. > > That helps users know what to expect, because all such minor modes have > some things in common, which are well documented. Yeah, I kinda think that `define-minor-mode' should include the toggle verbiage by default at the start of all doc strings, even if there is a doc string given. That would mean going through all the usages in the tree and remove the leading incantations, but that's no big deal. We could have a keyword :no-introduction t for the few modes that really don't want the standard verbiage at the start. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 02 17:00:08 2017 Received: (at 20462) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2017 22:00:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39785 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cOAeG-00027C-8Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2017 17:00:08 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:32739) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cOAeD-000213-SV for 20462@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2017 17:00:06 -0500 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v02Lxvju021277 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <20462@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 2 Jan 2017 21:59:58 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v02LxvXi011249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <20462@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 2 Jan 2017 21:59:57 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v02LxuWB004713 for <20462@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 2 Jan 2017 21:59:57 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 13:59:55 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: 20462@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#20462: 25.0.50; A minor mode's doc string should say it is [local/global] a minor mode References: <38bd87fc-e9d5-43c1-9687-e66faf993c7e@default> <0c1fb227-fad9-4410-a08d-96602eb39db3@default> In-Reply-To: <0c1fb227-fad9-4410-a08d-96602eb39db3@default> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20462 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) In addition, I think it would be good if the doc for the mode either mentioned whether the mode is currently on or (at least) mentioned the associated variable, letting users know that the value of that variable will tell them whether it is currently on or off. (They might also need to be told that they need to examine the variable value in the appropriate buffer. Or else clicking the variable link in the doc for the function should evaluate it in the proper buffer (same buffer that the function doc was invoked from). 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