From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:03:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#20389: A way to communicate announcements to developers Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 21:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 20389 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 20389@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.142956698610937 (code B ref -1); Mon, 20 Apr 2015 21:57:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Apr 2015 21:56:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33939 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkJg2-0002qK-54 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 17:56:26 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:60750 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkJg0-0002qD-Eh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 17:56:24 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YkJg0-0003ay-1T; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 17:56:24 -0400 From: Glenn Morris X-Spook: nitrate satellite imagery Mahmoud Ahmadinejad X-Ran: 6s|t$e[)lb User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Package: emacs Severity: wishlist Version: 24.5 (Bug report to remind about http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-12/msg00851.html) Please create a mechanism to communicate important announcements (feature freezes, etc) to emacs developers. No-one should have to read (all of) emacs-devel, it's too noisy. And the info-gnu-emacs list is not appropriate for this IMO. FWIW, here's what I would do. It'd only take a few mins to set up: 1. Go to https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/admin/emacs-devel/topics 2. Enable topic filter. 3. Add topic name "emacs-announce"; regexp "emacs-announce"; description "announcements all Emacs developers should read". (Using just "announce" may lead to false positives?) 4. Document that developers should subscribe to emacs-devel and at least subscribe to the "emacs-announce" topic. Whether or not they also choose to "receive messages that do not match any topic filter" is up to the individual. 5. Use "Keywords: emacs-announce" in the header of relevant mails. Better (?) to use keywords: than the subject: header, to avoid all the replies to said subject being sent out as announcements too. If you forget to add it to a message, you or anyone else can just resend it. From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:03:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#20389: A way to communicate announcements to developers Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 01:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20389 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 20389@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 20389-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20389.14295792103344 (code B ref 20389); Tue, 21 Apr 2015 01:21:02 +0000 Received: (at 20389) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2015 01:20:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34061 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkMrB-0000rr-Ln for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 21:20:10 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:34638) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkMr8-0000rI-L1 for 20389@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 21:20:07 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFAGvvdVRMCqjW/2dsb2JhbAA3gVOhb4EIgXUBAQQBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiBOiEYxkCQECAQKDPgMdg1MEo2OEWA X-IPAS-Result: AgUFAGvvdVRMCqjW/2dsb2JhbAA3gVOhb4EIgXUBAQQBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiBOiEYxkCQECAQKDPgMdg1MEo2OEWA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,557,1422939600"; d="scan'208";a="116937579" Received: from 76-10-168-214.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([76.10.168.214]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 20 Apr 2015 21:20:01 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 0AE866610A; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 21:20:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 21:20:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 20 Apr 2015 17:56:23 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > 3. Add topic name "emacs-announce"; regexp "emacs-announce"; description > "announcements all Emacs developers should read". > (Using just "announce" may lead to false positives?) I could live with that. But I wonder if using gnu.emacs.announce would be worse or better. I mean, there might some benefit to "announce feature freeze to the world" rather than only to the developers. Stefan From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:03:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#20389: A way to communicate announcements to developers Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 16:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20389 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 20389@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 20389-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20389.14296339909701 (code B ref 20389); Tue, 21 Apr 2015 16:34:01 +0000 Received: (at 20389) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2015 16:33:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35436 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ykb6k-0002WO-05 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 12:33:10 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:56381) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ykb6g-0002Vk-Qe for 20389@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 12:33:08 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NN600M000G8NN00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 20389@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:33:00 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NN600M0O0MZEK70@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:33:00 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:32:56 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83wq154f2f.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Glenn Morris > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 17:56:23 -0400 > > 1. Go to https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/admin/emacs-devel/topics > > 2. Enable topic filter. > > 3. Add topic name "emacs-announce"; regexp "emacs-announce"; description > "announcements all Emacs developers should read". > (Using just "announce" may lead to false positives?) > > 4. Document that developers should subscribe to emacs-devel and at > least subscribe to the "emacs-announce" topic. Whether or not they also > choose to "receive messages that do not match any topic filter" is up > to the individual. Doesn't enabling the topic filter mean that every subscriber must update their subscription, to choose the topics to which they want to subscribe? From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:03:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#20389: A way to communicate announcements to developers Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 17:23:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20389 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Glenn Morris , 20389@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 20389-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20389.142963695916579 (code B ref 20389); Tue, 21 Apr 2015 17:23:01 +0000 Received: (at 20389) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2015 17:22:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35446 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ykbsc-0004JK-DV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 13:22:38 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:49057) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ykbsa-0004J7-3i for 20389@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 13:22:36 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3lWWtL6Wkvz3hk0G; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:22:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3lWWtL5b2nzvjDH; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:22:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KZCeHK4A7QLc; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:22:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: 4cs7si2HJH45QaAQ2IYsMPzEAFYMaRJssCNRVNjmRwXyQmd/I1chgI44LVZeLMYr Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-117-16.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.117.16]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:22:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8ABE32C2D20; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:22:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <83wq154f2f.fsf@gnu.org> X-Yow: Did I do an INCORRECT THING?? Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:22:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83wq154f2f.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:32:56 +0300") Message-ID: <87618p8kh2.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Doesn't enabling the topic filter mean that every subscriber must > update their subscription, to choose the topics to which they want to > subscribe? "If you do not select any topics of interest, you will get all the messages sent to the mailing list." Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:03:37 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.503 (Entity 5.503) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Glenn Morris Subject: bug#20389: closed (Re: bug#20389: A way to communicate announcements to developers) Message-ID: References: <83tww949b4.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 20389 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 20389@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 18:38:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1429641483-820-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1429641483-820-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #20389: A way to communicate announcements to developers which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 20389@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 20389: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D20389 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1429641483-820-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 20389-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2015 18:37:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35476 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ykd36-0000C5-HR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 14:37:32 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:63707) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ykd33-0000Bg-2K for 20389-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 14:37:30 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NN6001005S75Q00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 20389-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 21:37:22 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NN60018X6EA1R30@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 21:37:22 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 21:37:19 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#20389: A way to communicate announcements to developers In-reply-to: <87618p8kh2.fsf@igel.home> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Andreas Schwab Message-id: <83tww949b4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83wq154f2f.fsf@gnu.org> <87618p8kh2.fsf@igel.home> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20389-done Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 20389-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Andreas Schwab > Cc: Glenn Morris , 20389@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:22:33 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Doesn't enabling the topic filter mean that every subscriber must > > update their subscription, to choose the topics to which they want to > > subscribe? > > "If you do not select any topics of interest, you will get all the > messages sent to the mailing list." Thanks. I did what Glenn suggested for the mailing list changes. One concern: my reading of the "Topics" page is that the topic matcher scans the _body_ of the message, so the suggestion to use "Keywords: emacs-announce" in the _headers_ of the mail will probably not work. Or maybe I misunderstood what Glenn meant by that. I did nothing about item 4 in Glenn's message. ------------=_1429641483-820-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Apr 2015 21:56:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33939 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkJg2-0002qK-54 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 17:56:26 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:60750 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkJg0-0002qD-Eh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 17:56:24 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YkJg0-0003ay-1T; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 17:56:24 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: A way to communicate announcements to developers X-Spook: nitrate satellite imagery Mahmoud Ahmadinejad X-Ran: 6s|t$e[)lb User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Package: emacs Severity: wishlist Version: 24.5 (Bug report to remind about http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-12/msg00851.html) Please create a mechanism to communicate important announcements (feature freezes, etc) to emacs developers. No-one should have to read (all of) emacs-devel, it's too noisy. And the info-gnu-emacs list is not appropriate for this IMO. FWIW, here's what I would do. It'd only take a few mins to set up: 1. Go to https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/admin/emacs-devel/topics 2. Enable topic filter. 3. Add topic name "emacs-announce"; regexp "emacs-announce"; description "announcements all Emacs developers should read". (Using just "announce" may lead to false positives?) 4. Document that developers should subscribe to emacs-devel and at least subscribe to the "emacs-announce" topic. Whether or not they also choose to "receive messages that do not match any topic filter" is up to the individual. 5. Use "Keywords: emacs-announce" in the header of relevant mails. Better (?) to use keywords: than the subject: header, to avoid all the replies to said subject being sent out as announcements too. If you forget to add it to a message, you or anyone else can just resend it. ------------=_1429641483-820-1-- From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:03:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#20389: A way to communicate announcements to developers Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 17:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20389 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 20389@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 20389-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20389.142972312625892 (code B ref 20389); Wed, 22 Apr 2015 17:19:01 +0000 Received: (at 20389) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2015 17:18:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36730 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkyIP-0006jY-Jr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:18:45 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:36169 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkyIN-0006jP-8O for 20389@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:18:43 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YkyIL-0000mI-C6; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:18:41 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: X-Spook: Ft. Knox Ron Brown morse satellite imagery bce Hamas X-Ran: $mPp0>3S(}+$MYsj6sXb!I(M1$pr%u|o;yI[]]#tVO!gn}?~RLXF.z/Ci/4oSn]Li-"WW? X-Hue: white X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:18:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 20 Apr 2015 21:20:01 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Stefan Monnier wrote: >> 3. Add topic name "emacs-announce"; regexp "emacs-announce"; description >> "announcements all Emacs developers should read". >> (Using just "announce" may lead to false positives?) > > I could live with that. But I wonder if using gnu.emacs.announce would > be worse or better. I mean, there might some benefit to "announce > feature freeze to the world" rather than only to the developers. But there's other stuff than the (relatively) interesting feature freeze example. There's "hey, we don't use ChangeLogs any more"; "hey, start using 'foo' quotes rather than `blah' quotes"; "hey, remember to do your commit messages like this not like that"; etc. I think almost all announcements will not relevant be for info-gnu-emacs. emacs-devel seems the natural home for such things to me. info-gnu-emacs has 835 subscribers versus 200 committers; don't know what the overlap is. But the main point of this report was to get SOME kind of system. If you want to make and advertise a different system, please do. Eg https://pumprock.net/fsfstatus, s/fsf/emacs ;) From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:03:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#20389: A way to communicate announcements to developers Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 17:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20389 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Andreas Schwab , 20389@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 20389-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20389.142972330026166 (code B ref 20389); Wed, 22 Apr 2015 17:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 20389) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2015 17:21:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36737 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkyLE-0006nx-9v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:21:40 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:36273 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkyLD-0006nq-2e for 20389@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:21:39 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YkyLB-0001XI-OS; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:21:37 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <83wq154f2f.fsf@gnu.org> <87618p8kh2.fsf@igel.home> <83tww949b4.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: high security mindwar MD4 Echelon MIT-LL Venezuela X-Ran: Ecez{='2V^K,6ee(c}B{@OIbk~.MH'.:x;2YPwhx{l$MNZaL-v~oXJEve2m@- X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:21:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83tww949b4.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 21 Apr 2015 21:37:19 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I did what Glenn suggested for the mailing list changes. One concern: > my reading of the "Topics" page is that the topic matcher scans the > _body_ of the message, so the suggestion to use "Keywords: > emacs-announce" in the _headers_ of the mail will probably not work. Thanks for setting that up. I can assure you that it works on real headers as well as "pseudo" headers in the body. See eg help text at https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/admin/emacs-devel/?VARHELP=topics/topics_bodylines_limit Before this report is closed, the other aspects of it were: 1) Is that a system people are ok with using? It was just my suggestion. 2) If so, get it documented/advertised/used. From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:03:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#20389: A way to communicate announcements to developers Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 17:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20389 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: schwab@linux-m68k.org, 20389@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 20389-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20389.142972505628775 (code B ref 20389); Wed, 22 Apr 2015 17:51:02 +0000 Received: (at 20389) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2015 17:50:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36746 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkynX-0007U3-LQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:50:55 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:52866) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkynV-0007Ti-5b for 20389@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:50:54 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NN700900YJCC400@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 20389@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 20:50:46 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NN7009IUYWL1G90@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 20:50:46 +0300 (IDT) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 20:50:45 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83ioco2gsq.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83wq154f2f.fsf@gnu.org> <87618p8kh2.fsf@igel.home> <83tww949b4.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: Andreas Schwab , 20389@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:21:37 -0400 > > 1) Is that a system people are ok with using? It was just my suggestion. I guess we will see. > 2) If so, get it documented/advertised/used. It already is, see CONTRIBUTE. From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:03:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#20389: A way to communicate announcements to developers Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 20:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20389 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 20389@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 20389-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20389.142973605112773 (code B ref 20389); Wed, 22 Apr 2015 20:55:02 +0000 Received: (at 20389) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2015 20:54:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36826 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yl1et-0003Jx-9n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 16:54:11 -0400 Received: from mercure.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.24.67]:57500) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yl1er-0003Jp-IY for 20389@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 16:54:09 -0400 Received: from hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.50]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE27585004; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 16:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lechon.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05B61E5B8C; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 16:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lechon.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8F577B40DC; Wed, 22 Apr 2015 16:53:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 16:53:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:18:41 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-DIRO-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-DIRO-MailScanner-SpamCheck: n'est pas un polluriel, SpamAssassin (score=-2.82, requis 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -2.82, MC_TSTLAST 0.00) X-DIRO-MailScanner-From: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > But there's other stuff than the (relatively) interesting feature freeze > example. There's "hey, we don't use ChangeLogs any more"; > "hey, start using 'foo' quotes rather than `blah' quotes"; > "hey, remember to do your commit messages like this not like that"; > etc. I think almost all announcements will not relevant be for info-gnu-emacs. > emacs-devel seems the natural home for such things to me. Right, makes sense, thanks, Stefan From unknown Mon Jun 23 06:03:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#20389: A way to communicate announcements to developers Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 18:30:07 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20389 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: schwab@linux-m68k.org, 20389@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 20389-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20389.142990017326530 (code B ref 20389); Fri, 24 Apr 2015 18:30:07 +0000 Received: (at 20389) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Apr 2015 18:29:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38919 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YliM0-0006tq-Kw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:29:32 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:52191 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YliLx-0006tg-V7 for 20389@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:29:30 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YliLr-0007Fj-BW; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:29:23 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <83wq154f2f.fsf@gnu.org> <87618p8kh2.fsf@igel.home> <83tww949b4.fsf@gnu.org> <83ioco2gsq.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: FBI Exon Shell HAMASMOIS NASA LABLINK ammunition Abu X-Ran: -.Zy_|%*QiA>F9dlj`Z[dRKDM*:/>%GtlX2ak_o53,e,b)#=T7*\..A<`~aK (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 22 Apr 2015 20:50:45 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> 2) If so, get it documented/advertised/used. > > It already is, see CONTRIBUTE. Oh thanks, I missed that.