From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:12:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#20380: 24.5; (shell-command-on-region ... "*Messages*") yields "Buffer is read-only" error Resent-From: Vincent Lefevre Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 09:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 20380 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 20380@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.14295210533200 (code B ref -1); Mon, 20 Apr 2015 09:11:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Apr 2015 09:10:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33016 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yk7jA-0000pX-PQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:10:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34532) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yk7j8-0000pI-DR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:10:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yk7j2-0006ez-0m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:10:45 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:58345) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yk7j1-0006eo-TX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:10:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48028) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yk7j0-0004XM-QM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:10:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yk7iw-0006e6-Dz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:10:42 -0400 Received: from ypig.lip.ens-lyon.fr ([140.77.13.48]:33217) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yk7iw-0006dI-2h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:10:38 -0400 Received: from vlefevre by ypig.lip.ens-lyon.fr with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Yk7in-0004nl-UT; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:10:30 +0200 From: Vincent Lefevre Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:10:29 +0200 Message-ID: <87a8y3tbay.fsf@ypig.lip.ens-lyon.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) I have the following problem with Emacs 24: emacs -Q --eval \ '(shell-command-on-region (point) (point) "cp" t t "*Messages*")' tst.txt yields a "Buffer is read-only: #" error instead of outputting the standard error from "cp" to the buffer *Messages* like with Emacs 23. In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.5) of 2015-04-20 on ypig Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11604000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.0 (jessie) Configured using: `configure --prefix=/usr/local/emacs-24.5' Important settings: value of $LC_COLLATE: POSIX value of $LC_CTYPE: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LC_TIME: en_DK value of $LANG: POSIX locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: display-time-mode: t show-paren-mode: t tooltip-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent messages: Loading /home/vlefevre/share/emacs/site-lisp/mutteditor.el (source)...done Loading time...done For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. eval: Buffer is read-only: # Quit Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr warnings emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml easymenu mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util help-fns mail-prsvr mail-utils time cus-start cus-load paren cc-styles cc-align cc-engine cc-vars cc-defs edmacro kmacro cl-loaddefs cl-lib time-date tooltip electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind gfilenotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 91573 8381) (symbols 48 20235 0) (miscs 40 100 93) (strings 32 14697 4833) (string-bytes 1 463225) (vectors 16 10255) (vector-slots 8 395374 4317) (floats 8 70 262) (intervals 56 187 0) (buffers 960 12) (heap 1024 34252 817)) From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:12:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#20380: 24.5; (shell-command-on-region ... "*Messages*") yields "Buffer is read-only" error Resent-From: Alexis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 09:53:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20380 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 20380@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.14295235397148 (code B ref -1); Mon, 20 Apr 2015 09:53:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Apr 2015 09:52:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33043 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yk8NG-0001rE-IW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:52:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54939) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yk8ND-0001qy-Sc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:52:16 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yk8N7-00078N-M1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:52:10 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:47103) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yk8N7-00078I-JX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:52:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40205) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yk8N6-0004ci-L6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:52:09 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yk8N2-00076Q-IQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:52:08 -0400 Received: from mail-pd0-x22b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22b]:34227) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yk8N2-00076D-Ak for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:52:04 -0400 Received: by pdbqa5 with SMTP id qa5so202610632pdb.1 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 02:52:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=6VdTt4qzeHO4JnE/8l/Fhy1JulRUGGH7oKoXkipMJd4=; b=c0Wiuff/evKjfUwZPUmTzSKYxQxdq9kby/aVC0UQlgAzQrEeDPWep/IDmNuNISVnak /2qXsARaBdFSp9ulGMEhRS2V5MKsdrS46R8gCC2JLescHJsHazjeuHCmVYidZGDBGF03 Gx64MU9Jgg5mUt8ad2YSUZxIyFM3HzE23N6fU5nvxh2MB4NSsQqnusF5y+Rr+wjV6jXx HOUARry9KBLUB6BstlJXgxOymD7doPv34tjpoAsjkrEGRhEFZtf165gxr4p65YHXAGJs Omxkw6Wgy3FSFt3rXshj1apF51bYiyB6/gY1qURc6lv1VcEOW09kPU7JLgs/ncuCZ0eO Jing== X-Received: by 10.68.195.2 with SMTP id ia2mr26632039pbc.33.1429523522978; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 02:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ppp118-209-46-94.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net. [118.209.46.94]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qc9sm17712703pab.19.2015.04.20.02.52.00 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Apr 2015 02:52:01 -0700 (PDT) References: <87a8y3tbay.fsf@ypig.lip.ens-lyon.fr> From: Alexis In-reply-to: <87a8y3tbay.fsf@ypig.lip.ens-lyon.fr> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:51:57 +1000 Message-ID: <87egnfceki.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Vincent Lefevre writes: > I have the following problem with Emacs 24: > > emacs -Q --eval \ > '(shell-command-on-region (point) (point) "cp" t t > "*Messages*")' tst.txt > > yields a "Buffer is read-only: #" error > instead of outputting the standard error from "cp" to the buffer > *Messages* like with Emacs 23. NEWS section "Changes in Emacs 24.4" states: ** The *Messages* buffer is created in `messages-buffer-mode', a new major mode, with read-only status. Alexis. From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:12:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#20380: 24.5; (shell-command-on-region ... "*Messages*") yields "Buffer is read-only" error Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20380 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Alexis Cc: 20380@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 20380-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20380.142954144925640 (code B ref 20380); Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 20380) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Apr 2015 14:50:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33703 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkD29-0006fU-1k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 10:50:49 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:41886) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkD25-0006fC-LD for 20380@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 10:50:46 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NN400C0017M2900@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 20380@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 17:50:32 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NN400BGR188PE80@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 17:50:32 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 17:50:26 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87egnfceki.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83d22y6eh9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87a8y3tbay.fsf@ypig.lip.ens-lyon.fr> <87egnfceki.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Alexis > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:51:57 +1000 > > > Vincent Lefevre writes: > > > I have the following problem with Emacs 24: > > > > emacs -Q --eval \ > > '(shell-command-on-region (point) (point) "cp" t t > > "*Messages*")' tst.txt > > > > yields a "Buffer is read-only: #" error > > instead of outputting the standard error from "cp" to the buffer > > *Messages* like with Emacs 23. > > NEWS section "Changes in Emacs 24.4" states: > > ** The *Messages* buffer is created in `messages-buffer-mode', > a new major mode, with read-only status. Indeed, this is a new feature. If you want to know why it was introduced, read this discussion: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2010-02/msg00135.html From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 20 18:34:26 2015 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Apr 2015 22:34:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33970 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkKGm-0003la-U1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:34:25 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:35714 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YkKGk-0003lQ-9g for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:34:22 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YkKGk-0005Qx-25 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:34:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:34:22 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 20380 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) tag 20380 notabug From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Apr 24 14:53:13 2015 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Apr 2015 18:53:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38944 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yliiv-0000Us-IR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:53:13 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:52649 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yliit-0000Ui-HC for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:53:11 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yliit-00049M-4e for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:53:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:53:11 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 20380 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) close 20380