From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:38:22 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#20371 <20371@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#20371 <20371@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 25.0.50; Tutorial first page: tell users how to quit the tutorial Reply-To: bug#20371 <20371@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2025 18:38:22 +0000 retitle 20371 25.0.50; Tutorial first page: tell users how to quit the tuto= rial reassign 20371 emacs submitter 20371 Drew Adams severity 20371 minor tag 20371 fixed thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 19 14:10:42 2015 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Apr 2015 18:10:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60881 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yjtg1-000349-6v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 14:10:42 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60797) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yjtfy-00033t-EC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 14:10:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yjtfr-0005CD-Rc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 14:10:33 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:53530) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yjtfr-0005C9-Nq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 14:10:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46071) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yjtfq-0006L9-Jy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 14:10:31 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yjtfl-0005AQ-HJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 14:10:30 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:40121) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yjtfl-0005AL-7y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 14:10:25 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t3JIAOGK022593 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 18:10:24 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t3JIAMlp000321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 18:10:23 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t3JIAM5U018702 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 18:10:22 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 11:10:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.0.50; Tutorial first page: tell users how to quit the tutorial X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) The top of the tutorial tells you how to quit Emacs. That's good. Perhaps it should also tell you how to quit the tutorial and return to your previous buffer. See this SO question, for an expression of one confused user's frustration. S?he "accidentally" fell into the tutorial and was worried about how to get back to the original buffer. http://stackoverflow.com/q/29727620/729907 In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-10-20 on LEG570 Bzr revision: 118168 rgm@gnu.org-20141020195941-icp42t8ttcnud09g Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs CPPFLAGS=3D-DGLYPH_DEBUG=3D1' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 14:25:47 2016 Received: (at 20371) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 18:25:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58337 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awZaN-0008Bn-4V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:25:47 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:59358) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awZaL-0008Bf-8H for 20371@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:25:45 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awZaI-0005O3-Ox; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 20:25:44 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#20371: 25.0.50; Tutorial first page: tell users how to quit the tutorial References: Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 20:25:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 19 Apr 2015 11:10:15 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87oa8rdkd5.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20371 Cc: 20371@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: > The top of the tutorial tells you how to quit Emacs. That's good. > Perhaps it should also tell you how to quit the tutorial and return to > your previous buffer. So how do you do that, then? :-) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 14:31:02 2016 Received: (at 20371) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 18:31:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58355 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awZfS-0000iL-IT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:31:02 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:16610) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awZfQ-0000c8-Oi for 20371@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:31:01 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3UIUsmc012630 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:30:54 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3UIUpfv008629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:30:53 GMT Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3UIUoDM023026; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:30:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 10:30:48 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Drew Adams To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: RE: bug#20371: 25.0.50; Tutorial first page: tell users how to quit the tutorial References: <87oa8rdkd5.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87oa8rdkd5.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20371 Cc: 20371@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > The top of the tutorial tells you how to quit Emacs. That's good. > > Perhaps it should also tell you how to quit the tutorial and return to > > your previous buffer. >=20 > So how do you do that, then? :-) Dunno. I'm no expert on the tutorial. But after this is fixed both you and I can reuse the tutorial to learn how. ;-) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 14:35:46 2016 Received: (at 20371) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 18:35:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58373 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awZk2-0001ft-O2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:35:46 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:59481) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awZk1-0001fm-Bf for 20371@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:35:45 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awZjy-0005TU-RV; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 20:35:44 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#20371: 25.0.50; Tutorial first page: tell users how to quit the tutorial References: <87oa8rdkd5.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 20:35:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 30 Apr 2016 10:30:48 -0800 (GMT-08:00)") Message-ID: <871t5ndjwh.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20371 Cc: 20371@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: > But after this is fixed both you and I can reuse the > tutorial to learn how. ;-) :-) I've never used the tutorial before, I think. I see that it's on fundamental-mode? If I just kill-buffer the buffer, it asks whether I want to save my position? So perhaps that's the right answer... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 03 11:06:21 2016 Received: (at 20371) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jul 2016 15:06:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36032 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bJiyP-0003Wd-OM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 11:06:21 -0400 Received: from mail-it0-f42.google.com ([209.85.214.42]:36256) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bJiyK-0003WM-Jj for 20371@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 11:06:16 -0400 Received: by mail-it0-f42.google.com with SMTP id g4so5400462ith.1 for <20371@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 08:06:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=BEbH4sa36V5ilB0lFVlJ4r4hxuvWnYQdeNZ80lmKd1g=; b=01RbG3BYC0GR9/2LCZeFHuq4Q8cX3nRwUqjuHNYKL7P9wG0nk3FC5T0CpZbaDz77Wb DGalVSwD85XU7Dw2yww8XHSs6n1ny5nNu2loQq2/E9oWyLnDPVzlXIVmvxBw5Z8xxTDA l3cdT1vFQ+FvUmWStpqC+34YPvgMKBvtSa70n4Gs1x//+nmo6gva0NWnUdXZhdnB/vuB rtxzKc/oXq8xLNldcoPCYD2MG5CDF3iLcw1zgyAm25J4mIONBZniCExaO4c7OBuZsqut HEaHTyOwk7waYyjEZESKIM/CZSck66zPfSqcJ13m+YjSLmsDPjNxnSWRPNfTzI2SDb0Q 2dvw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=BEbH4sa36V5ilB0lFVlJ4r4hxuvWnYQdeNZ80lmKd1g=; b=glOd7PSkwwfX4GAWhCSfyB4SE7biUmvryJGI7xDt09PLJuQeFARNoWIVRTshAHzm14 ifHVI/BhuCMz4HhlIXwLxBl7I41DaeJCTijvJ4YPqSMQxYb4zD3UUowDvClKuwyThpZ6 1ggMeH02HFN+mo+Xaa7bjrJmPZki/usNZBW3Wmzen2IrsrSjMgbVOgx/k2TGl68hGX41 q+i6gfeoPUhci90JoemJ+1kt2DS9KdYS7epnuVWwSZ7O6HicwlVINlL4AntwWSNFi/l7 3D6v8DPfQp/oju4CWzfC//YDyXnjWXCKvI0opVj+P7vBg2el/mxzGdzMoEnnoCWBap2r V+GQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLm3DDZiEPv95Vi5w8B2sYITkYffYQhVDs9zNYhx0UODd+omRuQZbNTZbnOByam1Q== X-Received: by 10.36.25.65 with SMTP id b62mr5806845itb.29.1467558367043; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 08:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zony (206-188-64-44.cpe.distributel.net. [206.188.64.44]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 80sm3618022iof.18.2016.07.03.08.06.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Jul 2016 08:06:06 -0700 (PDT) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#20371: 25.0.50; Tutorial first page: tell users how to quit the tutorial References: <87oa8rdkd5.fsf@gnus.org> <871t5ndjwh.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 11:06:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: <871t5ndjwh.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 30 Apr 2016 20:35:42 +0200") Message-ID: <878txig3rs.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20371 Cc: 20371@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > If I just kill-buffer the buffer, it asks whether I > want to save my position? So perhaps that's the right answer... Seems like. I can add to TUTORIAL, but there are a bunch of translations that I wouldn't know how to edit... diff --git c/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL i/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL index ee328e8..31d0f42 100644 --- c/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL +++ i/etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL @@ -13,4 +13,5 @@ write that in full each time, we'll use the following abbreviations: Important note: to end the Emacs session, type C-x C-c. (Two characters.) To quit a partially entered command, type C-g. +To stop the tutorial, type C-x k, then at the prompt. The characters ">>" at the left margin indicate directions for you to try using a command. For instance: From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 04 12:39:32 2016 Received: (at 20371) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2016 16:39:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37321 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bK6uC-00058x-Az for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 12:39:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46532) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bK6uB-00058l-25 for 20371@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 12:39:31 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bK6u5-0000Ot-74 for 20371@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 12:39:25 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58560) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bK6to-0000MG-8N; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 12:39:08 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bK6tm-0007lQ-0f; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 12:39:06 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: bug#20371: 25.0.50; Tutorial first page: tell users how to quit the tutorial References: <87oa8rdkd5.fsf@gnus.org> <871t5ndjwh.fsf@gnus.org> <878txig3rs.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> X-Spook: Evacuation Etacs Pork FMD Quarnantine 2600 Magazine Red X-Ran: oquj.[Ed{QgqDCx;e2WiqsxidEQ7LnA&tmE:~`t&X!\l}H{=Myz|ba&#ubsSymN}AIQTC0 X-Hue: white X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 12:39:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: <878txig3rs.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> (npostavs@users.sourceforge.net's message of "Sun, 03 Jul 2016 11:06:15 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20371 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 20371@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) npostavs@users.sourceforge.net wrote: > Seems like. I can add to TUTORIAL, but there are a bunch of > translations that I wouldn't know how to edit... You don't need to worry about the translations. In theory they are updated before each release (per admin/release-process). In practice people just update them on a best-effort basis whenever. It should not be a factor in whether you change the English version or not. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 01 22:55:06 2017 Received: (at 20371) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jun 2017 02:55:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50211 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dGcjx-000164-Qi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:55:06 -0400 Received: from mail-io0-f194.google.com ([209.85.223.194]:35169) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dGcju-00015Q-Lm; Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:55:02 -0400 Received: by mail-io0-f194.google.com with SMTP id o12so7089920iod.2; Thu, 01 Jun 2017 19:55:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=GGWpjoLWgElnddvIh9XyzsRqvCt0PzFEQikyxAkLFMg=; b=HAByUBEw3mpAWvIzwk7IGI43Kug9OWGb5qMUjpLFxgzaQ/LQts0v+r70DjphWdNP9D 3XMAtV3VcbVmlxg1deG5JIf8RdmHuJ6sTfc/Wu3+UdJ7SOQ4GYNyso2p/+/RI25uBg0+ ZgLMjssLmzId8aQYJHJbLpmi7JA2OzT+nYxpNIwZrFpXbAXlR01sZ7HNpdQ5T5a8e1Nj Ygu3DzDv15kdwNbzNRtDvLvoiUkXhbLQS/Wru//d9wVNy+LWfDpzk6BPGcq00h036Mv0 1QAJDcEc/0SE7DTrIxO/2BAS5izhzzkxBDCX0I92gBkz4FqObqm72Da1V+IrUM6Fcqsn Jdog== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=GGWpjoLWgElnddvIh9XyzsRqvCt0PzFEQikyxAkLFMg=; b=k19waebqYVIWoT4IP02i8DnClxCmzzpAnnYN1qtTY50KFFmk8v+cxGMAb6S74DWYui 6V32GXbdB3ApYYpfzPuvUnz2UlLL0YRGy1lhX4hr4+FtMhNN1W/uRh2uG9Bdd99Ga0q1 r0hrU5JpNh86sZF6BHfVgKSzDc7IO2n0Z3Lv/PXH5KRWFK9ZiQmk+j8WfPn1XwTl2WTL +71VmXlr9bNpjWbKLOp9i1BltnWGvSz3UiwLcDxUxmXgxCtGyo/LSYFXQpgwSW3+TwPz PfG05CkEc2QAj47JVX+N1rlL7tOflAFChkat4F52yc8xAr5Sg57TtrdjFTY2PBoL+tgk uZCA== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcBX1HIlITvbdCotx+jx3Lyy9ZYBsyttWoSn32VAFdNUxy3Rhuqt 1Qw+t1sUSxVbRnTn X-Received: by 10.107.3.165 with SMTP id e37mr5701761ioi.232.1496372097010; Thu, 01 Jun 2017 19:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zony ([45.2.7.65]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id j67sm2556138iod.8.2017.06.01.19.54.55 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 01 Jun 2017 19:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#20371: 25.0.50; Tutorial first page: tell users how to quit the tutorial References: <87oa8rdkd5.fsf@gnus.org> <871t5ndjwh.fsf@gnus.org> <878txig3rs.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:56:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 04 Jul 2016 12:39:05 -0400") Message-ID: <87a85r2j32.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20371 Cc: 20371@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) tags 20371 fixed close 20371 26.1 quit Glenn Morris writes: > npostavs@users.sourceforge.net wrote: > >> Seems like. I can add to TUTORIAL, but there are a bunch of >> translations that I wouldn't know how to edit... > > You don't need to worry about the translations. > In theory they are updated before each release (per admin/release-process). > In practice people just update them on a best-effort basis whenever. > It should not be a factor in whether you change the English version or not. Kinda forgot about this, pushed now [1: 6efa25d7b5]. [1: 6efa25d7b5]: 2017-06-01 22:55:46 -0400 * etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL: Explain how to stop the tutorial (Bug#20371). http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=6efa25d7b503a03c511d0ec75b47297c0efed3fa From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 02 02:29:35 2017 Received: (at 20371) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jun 2017 06:29:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50330 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dGg5T-0001QZ-Tc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2017 02:29:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39860) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dGg5P-0001QK-Gb for 20371@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2017 02:29:31 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dGg5F-0008Mq-Go for 20371@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2017 02:29:22 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:38679) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dGg4w-00089f-Vy; Fri, 02 Jun 2017 02:28:59 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2989 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dGg4v-0008Hm-FQ; Fri, 02 Jun 2017 02:28:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 09:29:10 +0300 Message-Id: <83h8zydhs9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net In-reply-to: <87a85r2j32.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> (npostavs@users.sourceforge.net) Subject: Re: bug#20371: 25.0.50; Tutorial first page: tell users how to quit the tutorial References: <87oa8rdkd5.fsf@gnus.org> <871t5ndjwh.fsf@gnus.org> <878txig3rs.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <87a85r2j32.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20371 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 20371@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net > Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:56:33 -0400 > Cc: 20371@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen > > Kinda forgot about this, pushed now [1: 6efa25d7b5]. > > [1: 6efa25d7b5]: 2017-06-01 22:55:46 -0400 > * etc/tutorials/TUTORIAL: Explain how to stop the tutorial (Bug#20371). > http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=6efa25d7b503a03c511d0ec75b47297c0efed3fa On my system, there's one more question after you press RET, and this addition doesn't describe it. Should it? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 02 08:12:22 2017 Received: (at 20371) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jun 2017 12:12:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50635 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dGlRF-0002od-Pd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2017 08:12:21 -0400 Received: from mail-io0-f195.google.com ([209.85.223.195]:34076) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dGlRE-0002oS-LC for 20371@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2017 08:12:20 -0400 Received: by mail-io0-f195.google.com with SMTP id a96so305606ioj.1 for <20371@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 02 Jun 2017 05:12:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=s8XrzV0GXAekAezJR/WUuHt1FGVw39yktWZbHshfdTc=; b=j96X679Ua9WKZbRPLYeabPHzBvf30JvSogB7O+k6LpRXEMVZCEtQUmHuGfu2eGtfqJ p2/OCZVNvrQ9Bvc7C0cSNE2mOdQxHTngfux7eKKZj6bbYMF3JkWd1Zep3MGGYm2++J4q IVldGrC+da8FMN5sDoarGxKxJTV5+ZuiA44Ca6r+FjSXqxQ7M1aHwVANlGiZfTqtTjRu 2hAAZel9PxTXSXIbe/Qc+OrNm9NX/FcYGUDrD1+1b5MKixVTBH6SZa6GdPyXkRRGZSs0 E32WaUdCmEEYficnUyTKyRfQGDah5eCaXUDZvTkKwPmcaKOWM22YS9qAMawIsUUu+0bt Gt6A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=s8XrzV0GXAekAezJR/WUuHt1FGVw39yktWZbHshfdTc=; b=HmPs8FTGHYgGKeVRk2oCbCcX4qPGByHBvH3q4KYY6Sq28o8BWrwebvMkzTX/dxReM1 f88WIckQ/qvXkvD+gxQUXKGMOrvmQmaaDW9m/YX1AuVYzkhKpv7D4FochKdUKRJj8ZMh LYQR4hvKmoJ7C+mMExLapGRwpUhoHXh4t8Ljw7NfD3rYsQZiFCVS8toaGLU8jzdjDgUn deOMXyzeOZBNHA5iv2ayAXBkeBKMG5KhnXLJgnbtvvQ7PdD0LoKrI5Ft5iJDZb1Kc8nI Wn3XyM32HDjvJjW4z8xaU3uxCKcYQVEb4FjtJT2zE1Kp/Iu6zwzmaQHQps9lOosA6Suu 2dwA== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcCyG8vvqR7IAH73gPB481iFTNMfQqsMImbJS3VgINcap9u3v8UX fmayPLlOZi0MfQ== X-Received: by 10.107.6.94 with SMTP id 91mr7371461iog.78.1496405535148; Fri, 02 Jun 2017 05:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zony ([45.2.7.65]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id y40sm2602707ita.2.2017.06.02.05.12.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 02 Jun 2017 05:12:14 -0700 (PDT) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#20371: 25.0.50; Tutorial first page: tell users how to quit the tutorial References: <87oa8rdkd5.fsf@gnus.org> <871t5ndjwh.fsf@gnus.org> <878txig3rs.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <87a85r2j32.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <83h8zydhs9.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 08:13:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83h8zydhs9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 02 Jun 2017 09:29:10 +0300") Message-ID: <871sr237uo.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20371 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 20371@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) Eli Zaretskii writes: > On my system, there's one more question after you press RET, and this > addition doesn't describe it. Should it? You mean this one: Save your position in the tutorial? (y or n) I thought that prompt was fairly self-explanatory, furthermore if you press something other than y or n it additionally says "Please answer y or n". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 02 08:21:51 2017 Received: (at 20371) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jun 2017 12:21:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50640 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dGlaN-000328-OW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2017 08:21:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59626) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dGlaI-00031s-QP for 20371@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2017 08:21:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dGla8-0000Aa-MS for 20371@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2017 08:21:37 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54137) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dGlZq-00005P-Hv; Fri, 02 Jun 2017 08:21:14 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3301 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dGlZp-00064t-9H; Fri, 02 Jun 2017 08:21:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 15:21:05 +0300 Message-Id: <83d1amd1hq.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net In-reply-to: <871sr237uo.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> (npostavs@users.sourceforge.net) Subject: Re: bug#20371: 25.0.50; Tutorial first page: tell users how to quit the tutorial References: <87oa8rdkd5.fsf@gnus.org> <871t5ndjwh.fsf@gnus.org> <878txig3rs.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <87a85r2j32.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <83h8zydhs9.fsf@gnu.org> <871sr237uo.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20371 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 20371@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net > Cc: 20371@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org > Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 08:13:51 -0400 > > > On my system, there's one more question after you press RET, and this > > addition doesn't describe it. Should it? > > You mean this one: > > Save your position in the tutorial? (y or n) > > I thought that prompt was fairly self-explanatory, furthermore if you > press something other than y or n it additionally says "Please answer y > or n". OK, thanks. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:38:22 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2017 11:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator