From storm@cua.dk Sat Jan 24 12:36:23 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 24 Jan 2009 20:36:24 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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Storm" To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Subject: 23.0.60; Edit menu missing in Gnus buffers. Reply-to: storm@cua.dk Message-Id: <20090124203612.935EB9E022@smtp.fullrate.dk> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:36:12 +0100 (CET) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. This is an old bug - but still not fixed in Emacs 23. For some reason, M-x gnus consistently removes the Edit menu in all buffers related to gnus. It might be ok in the group overview, and possibly in the article overview, but in the article buffers, I think it must be shown. -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk From cyd@stupidchicken.com Sat Jan 24 15:53:50 2009 Received: (at 2031) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 24 Jan 2009 23:53:51 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from cyd.mit.edu (CYD.MIT.EDU [18.115.2.24]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n0ONrmNN019341 for <2031@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:53:49 -0800 Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1CF0F57E196; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:54:16 -0500 (EST) From: Chong Yidong To: ding@gnus.org Cc: "Kim F. Storm" , 2031@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Edit menu missing in Gnus buffers. Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:54:16 -0500 Message-ID: <87ocxww993.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Kim F. Storm" wrote: > This is an old bug - but still not fixed in Emacs 23. > > For some reason, M-x gnus consistently removes the Edit menu > in all buffers related to gnus. It might be ok in the group > overview, and possibly in the article overview, but in the > article buffers, I think it must be shown. Punting to ding---any objection to removing the calls to gnus-turn-off-edit-menu in at least the article buffers? From lekktu@gmail.com Sat Jan 24 16:35:02 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 25 Jan 2009 00:35:02 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de (mail.uni-ulm.de [134.60.1.11]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n0PA25qN010258 for <2031@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:02:06 -0800 Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.10.175]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0PA1ieY021374; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:01:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0E21359F; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:01:43 +0100 (CET) From: Reiner Steib To: Chong Yidong Cc: 2031@debbugs.gnu.org, ding@gnus.org, storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Subject: Re: bug#2031: 23.0.60; Edit menu missing in Gnus buffers. References: <20090124203612.935EB9E022@smtp.fullrate.dk> <87ocxww993.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Chong Yidong , 2031@debbugs.gnu.org, ding@gnus.org, storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) X-Face: 1;h7XMU[7l}$T@J.D}5z*w8Tg'}B5ArAWc8>2X~otB;kOjKs8X%|hTC#dG:%Vpx")x7S/`v :VXU#fZW$X$zdhEU.RfVQ@<-m9IuN{Hm"fW{,5]6kR'M*vEs+{5Cj!L(JTRzA$(},?5J=sm;%Od Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:01:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87ocxww993.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> (Chong Yidong's message of "Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:54:16 -0500") Message-ID: <87d4eb7lh7.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-CTc-dcc1-Metrics: poseidon 1030; Body=4 Fuz1=4 Fuz2=4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new On Sun, Jan 25 2009, Chong Yidong wrote: > "Kim F. Storm" wrote: > >> This is an old bug - but still not fixed in Emacs 23. >> >> For some reason, M-x gnus consistently removes the Edit menu >> in all buffers related to gnus. There are so many top-level menus that they might not even fit on a typical 80 column frame depending on the fonts. >> It might be ok in the group overview, and possibly in the article >> overview, but in the article buffers, I think it must be shown. The only commands from Edit that might be useful are: - Copy - Select All - Goto / * Others? Maybe it would be better to remove the Tools menu instead? > Punting to ding---any objection to removing the calls to > gnus-turn-off-edit-menu in at least the article buffers? We have this since 1997 and I don't recall many complaints. So at least we would make it customizable (similar to message-tool-bar-zap-list). (defcustom gnus-menu-bar-zap-list '((t tools) ;; turn of tools many in all special Gnus buffers (category edit) (article nil) ;; keep edit in Article buffer (group edit) (server edit) (browse edit) (summary edit)) [...] Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ From storm@cua.dk Sun Jan 25 05:17:47 2009 Received: (at 2031) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 25 Jan 2009 13:17:48 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER, MURPHY_DRUGS_REL8 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from smtp.fullrate.dk (mail1-hoer.fullrate.dk [90.185.1.42]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n0PDHh5f028167 for <2031@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 05:17:45 -0800 Received: from kfs-lx.rd.rdm.cua.dk (unknown [90.184.173.152]) by smtp.fullrate.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A07D9D75C; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:17:35 +0100 (CET) From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) To: Chong Yidong Cc: 2031@debbugs.gnu.org, ding@gnus.org, Reiner Steib Subject: Re: bug#2031: 23.0.60; Edit menu missing in Gnus buffers. References: <20090124203612.935EB9E022@smtp.fullrate.dk> <87ocxww993.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87d4eb7lh7.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:17:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87d4eb7lh7.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> (Reiner Steib's message of "Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:01:40 +0100") Message-ID: <87mydfplsg.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reiner Steib writes: > On Sun, Jan 25 2009, Chong Yidong wrote: > >> "Kim F. Storm" wrote: >> >>> This is an old bug - but still not fixed in Emacs 23. >>> >>> For some reason, M-x gnus consistently removes the Edit menu >>> in all buffers related to gnus. > > There are so many top-level menus that they might not even fit on a > typical 80 column frame depending on the fonts. The real problem is too many Gnus menus then :-) But there is plenty of room in the Article menu. > Maybe it would be better to remove the Tools menu instead? I don't think that is acceptable - E.g. apply patch on the tools menu. Maybe we could get rid of the Options menu (in general) by moving it to the bottom of the Edit menu where many other applications have their "Customize..." or "Options..." entry. > >> Punting to ding---any objection to removing the calls to >> gnus-turn-off-edit-menu in at least the article buffers? > > So at least we would make it customizable (similar to > message-tool-bar-zap-list). Fine with me. BTW, why is this reply sent to Chong and not Reiner. The headers in Reinar's response said: >Mail-Followup-To: Chong Yidong , 2031@debbugs.gnu.org, ding@gnus.org, storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) >Reply-To: Reiner Steib Does the Mail-Followup-To header take precedense over the Reply-To header ... shouldn't Gnus use both when using wide reply (I added Reinar manually on this mail)? -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk From jasonrumney@gmail.com Sun Jan 25 06:24:27 2009 Received: (at 2031) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 25 Jan 2009 14:24:27 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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([118.101.26.137]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm327742wfa.40.2009.01.25.06.24.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:24:23 -0800 (PST) Sender: Jason Rumney Message-ID: <497C75F7.1090804@f2s.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:23:51 +0800 From: Jason Rumney User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kim F. Storm" , 2031@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#2031: 23.0.60; Edit menu missing in Gnus buffers. References: <20090124203612.935EB9E022@smtp.fullrate.dk> <87ocxww993.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87d4eb7lh7.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87mydfplsg.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> In-Reply-To: <87mydfplsg.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kim F. Storm wrote: > Maybe we could get rid of the Options menu (in general) by moving it to > the bottom of the Edit menu where many other applications have their > "Customize..." or "Options..." entry. > The Edit menu is for editing commands (though we've mistakenly put Search, Bookmarks and Goto menus there, which used to be under Tools or their own top level menus, so we've already broken this association). From storm@cua.dk Sun Jan 25 10:16:42 2009 Received: (at 2031) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 25 Jan 2009 18:16:42 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from smtp.fullrate.dk (mail1-hoer.fullrate.dk [90.185.1.42]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n0PIGc4K006830 for <2031@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:16:39 -0800 Received: from kfs-lx.rd.rdm.cua.dk (unknown [90.184.173.152]) by smtp.fullrate.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 714909D33D; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:16:31 +0100 (CET) From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) To: Jason Rumney Cc: 2031@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#2031: 23.0.60; Edit menu missing in Gnus buffers. References: <20090124203612.935EB9E022@smtp.fullrate.dk> <87ocxww993.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87d4eb7lh7.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87mydfplsg.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <497C75F7.1090804@f2s.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:16:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: <497C75F7.1090804@f2s.com> (Jason Rumney's message of "Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:23:51 +0800") Message-ID: <87fxj7p7y9.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jason Rumney writes: > Kim F. Storm wrote: >> Maybe we could get rid of the Options menu (in general) by moving it to >> the bottom of the Edit menu where many other applications have their >> "Customize..." or "Options..." entry. >> > > The Edit menu is for editing commands (though we've mistakenly put > Search, Bookmarks and Goto menus there, which used to be under Tools > or their own top level menus, so we've already broken this > association). Every other major editor that I know of has search (and replace) on the Edit menu - so it would seem logical to group all search commands together there (instead of having to look for them in two menus). BTWm they typically have "Options" on either Edit or Tools menu. Never as a separate menu - although some of the elements of the Options menu are on a View menu (e.g. word wrap, show/hide, etc). -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk From reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc Sun Jan 25 11:14:59 2009 Received: (at 2031) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 25 Jan 2009 19:14:59 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, MURPHY_DRUGS_REL8 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de (mail.uni-ulm.de [134.60.1.11]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n0PJEsC2021119 for <2031@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:14:56 -0800 Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.10.175]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0PJEfgb013882; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:14:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A471359F; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:14:41 +0100 (CET) From: Reiner Steib To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Cc: 2031@debbugs.gnu.org, Chong Yidong , ding@gnus.org Subject: Re: bug#2031: 23.0.60; Edit menu missing in Gnus buffers. References: <20090124203612.935EB9E022@smtp.fullrate.dk> <87ocxww993.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87d4eb7lh7.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87mydfplsg.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> X-Face: #vK]N[`vqjuod*|)'[iD7/"3AB-ApT%fmN"LWAg@oS7OesGv~)n[OBTLM#I="J'Y^-7I I/ps7o_'IK@#-Rs{::DZ@O8yS|fexe,XslY[:dNWOb~>?mC-&i_c)say:"\IpA.5U.b]'NY;Pks{lb h.+#6%DpZuaK3dcHB`Av3zc:r!C%~s0&m,tWj]&},qg.+0ww2gK%f!:GK|wMl.I!(voY*1"^li8"~B BNG)9LvPi?^DMR-GVDnZqhu*3Hi,+g=wFhI)BL6&u{EOVEHjVEVq~d?_}lMntWAc3(6?kftjc>_f>! g0wM(qPM$d5]^TT_Qyi&L?LGVG)SHN;Gk/,pkY9,~ Mail-Followup-To: "Kim F. Storm" , 2031@debbugs.gnu.org, Chong Yidong , ding@gnus.org Reply-To: Reiner Steib Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:14:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87mydfplsg.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> (Kim F. Storm's message of "Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:17:35 +0100") Message-ID: <87iqo35hb6.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-SIHOPE-DCC-3-Metrics: poseidon 1085; Body=4 Fuz1=4 Fuz2=4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new On Sun, Jan 25 2009, Kim F. Storm wrote: > Reiner Steib writes: >> There are so many top-level menus that they might not even fit on a >> typical 80 column frame depending on the fonts. > > The real problem is too many Gnus menus then :-) I'm not sure which ones are less useful than "Edit" or "Tools". I don't really like a redesign of menus so shortly before the start of Emacs 23 pretest. > But there is plenty of room in the Article menu. When point is on a MIME part, you get: File Options Buffers Tools Treatments Article Post Command MIME Part Help >> Maybe it would be better to remove the Tools menu instead? > > I don't think that is acceptable - E.g. apply patch on the tools menu. Hm. > Maybe we could get rid of the Options menu (in general) by moving it to > the bottom of the Edit menu where many other applications have their > "Customize..." or "Options..." entry. I don't think this would be useful for Emacs in general. >> So at least we would make it customizable (similar to >> message-tool-bar-zap-list). > > Fine with me. I'll be busy during the next week so I probably won't have time to implement it. Any volunteer? > BTW, why is this reply sent to Chong and not Reiner. > The headers in Reinar's response said: > >>Mail-Followup-To: Chong Yidong , 2031@debbugs.gnu.org, ding@gnus.org, storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) >>Reply-To: Reiner Steib > > Does the Mail-Followup-To header take precedense over the Reply-To > header ... I'd guess so. The Reply-To just says "Use ...@imap.cc instead of ...@gmx.de for replies". [ BTW, the mail that pass the bugtracker have a different Reply-To: To: Chong Yidong Cc: 2031@debbugs.gnu.org, ding@gnus.org, "Kim F. Storm" Reply-To: Reiner Steib , 2031@debbugs.gnu.org Mail-Followup-To: Chong Yidong , 2031@debbugs.gnu.org, ding@gnus.org, storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) ] > shouldn't Gnus use both when using wide reply (I added Reinar > manually on this mail)? No, I added this Mail-Followup-To since I don't need a copy because I read the list (but I don't care much if I get one - it is split to my news-cc group). Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ From rgm@gnu.org Tue Feb 3 19:44:48 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 4 Feb 2009 03:44:48 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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Storm" X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Chong Yidong writes: > Punting to ding---any objection to removing the calls to > gnus-turn-off-edit-menu in at least the article buffers? No, sounds good. I've now done this. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:24:40 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator