From unknown Wed Jun 18 00:26:09 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#20253 <20253@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#20253 <20253@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.4; Document `region' face behavior changes, overlay, priority Reply-To: bug#20253 <20253@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 07:26:09 +0000 retitle 20253 24.4; Document `region' face behavior changes, overlay, prior= ity reassign 20253 emacs submitter 20253 Drew Adams severity 20253 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Apr 03 17:02:44 2015 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Apr 2015 21:02:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44174 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ye8jj-00049p-Ol for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2015 17:02:44 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51043) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ye8jh-00049b-4r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2015 17:02:42 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ye8jb-0001Bs-2T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2015 17:02:35 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:57408) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ye8ja-0001Bo-WB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2015 17:02:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52764) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ye8ja-0002mg-4k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2015 17:02:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ye8jV-0001Ax-5m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2015 17:02:34 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:29825) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ye8jU-0001Al-WD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Apr 2015 17:02:29 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t33L2Rxm029653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 3 Apr 2015 21:02:28 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t33L2R9A010982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 3 Apr 2015 21:02:27 GMT Received: from abhmp0013.oracle.com (abhmp0013.oracle.com [141.146.116.19]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t33L2QGK009696 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 2015 21:02:26 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0ad651bb-89bc-4e86-9354-063db1c400a2@default> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 14:02:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.4; Document `region' face behavior changes, overlay, priority X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Since Emacs 24.3, if I recall correctly, face `region' uses an overlay. This produces changes in the user-observable behavior - that's why the change was made. But the NEWS for 24.3 and for 24.4 do not mention anything about this, AFAICT. Not only does NEWS not seem to say anything about `region' using an overlay, but it does not even mention the observable behavior differences that this produces. And the Elisp manual is likewise silent on this change. Please tell users that such a change was made. That's what NEWS is for. And please tell users, in the Elisp manual, what the default priority of the overlay is. Testing shows a priority value of (nil . 100), which is not even a documented form that an overlay priority can take. But even if that is what the value needs to be, for internal reasons, at least tell users what it is. And if, for some reason, users are supposed not to change the priority, then say so, in the doc. And if there is no such restriction or recommendation, then let them know, if they should be assigning a priority value that is a cons, such as (nil . NUMBER). IOW, please communicate with your users about such changes: what they mean for users (what behavior differences they can expect), and how they can manipulate/customize the behavior. In GNU Emacs 24.4.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-10-24 on LEG570 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/usr' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 11 19:25:03 2016 Received: (at 20253) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2016 23:25:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56847 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bjE7S-0005bq-Uh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:25:03 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f52.google.com ([209.85.218.52]:34073) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bjE7R-0005bC-9E for 20253@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:25:01 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f52.google.com with SMTP id m11so274173153oif.1 for <20253@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 16:25:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=HKKirjNMpFER38oIisgbtv6QVRWYd383b93y3dNWxRs=; b=OdyuONpeDnZgVgifMhpyEnhue38o5xS6PnRIKdjc7/GjIgS2Z9Wd7fzuvp9KhNUUYF FJDa9FvZkgLfobDUV1Qx+n8Gf3DVDYK0if69iwrJCg5b2SfnxbCAYiKTr++CcrjS9wuM TFApjkVK8Z4TEeOJymU1RPh9hWRXhhWmEjkrlh35wPLc2pQMaKvtcUBY7FxBxW/aZtz+ E60cFUt0pKLZh9TyAR8S3KPj2E3I8/iwM+WXD2AFpkkby5kftwJpOX92Zm3yn3BKszSC cWIx/l47jvzcBGlz4cq+trpo3HQsVnPWG+aj+iT3XxF4KkFMwvi8lAjDbpj5FWVxJQR/ 1VFw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=HKKirjNMpFER38oIisgbtv6QVRWYd383b93y3dNWxRs=; b=eP9nZNEHBx4mTHLBBN8sIPlFgEI3OkHIYsNKSb3F4NxIe6rqcX+XOE22xNXr61gmjo tFVriSiHPkfPKzaWfdMBzhFgvhF8ATAQHmKuYJ5IZHuS//OY5IajfaeJNizbEUY3TSgR BIACgXwXIM0ELMeFUiya0AbXYFnYocaWX67G+6FkxhOHKANcu7de7aapJxk07HXgbId4 eeDoWaiZX3VBxGPWb108tCv67gj5de57jnu2LSVANARUYvI46tiDTQXr/O2qmixSlWdB PkJhaXsuF02c+u+egUy3etJrJeZws2LC4Whae4WBX5/P19maMajrEH8TunOtcwjedFx7 hGcQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwMgDjbcoh734Yi708ALxdfGXEvWFcb8R9Grx120v7OJ1HtbNqhAdDJ1TmhpLIUa3g== X-Received: by 10.202.95.133 with SMTP id t127mr19583541oib.80.1473636295603; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 16:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lylat (S01061859339e9903.ss.shawcable.net. [174.2.107.88]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n26sm572585ioi.17.2016.09.11.16.24.54 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 11 Sep 2016 16:24:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#20253: 24.4; Document `region' face behavior changes, overlay, priority References: <0ad651bb-89bc-4e86-9354-063db1c400a2@default> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:24:45 -0600 In-Reply-To: <0ad651bb-89bc-4e86-9354-063db1c400a2@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 3 Apr 2015 14:02:26 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87inu2vx36.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20253 Cc: 20253@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Drew Adams writes: > Since Emacs 24.3, if I recall correctly, face `region' uses an overlay. > This produces changes in the user-observable behavior - that's why the > change was made. > > But the NEWS for 24.3 and for 24.4 do not mention anything about this, > AFAICT. Not only does NEWS not seem to say anything about `region' > using an overlay, but it does not even mention the observable behavior > differences that this produces. > > And the Elisp manual is likewise silent on this change. > > Please tell users that such a change was made. That's what NEWS is for. > > And please tell users, in the Elisp manual, what the default priority of > the overlay is. Testing shows a priority value of (nil . 100), which is > not even a documented form that an overlay priority can take. But even > if that is what the value needs to be, for internal reasons, at least > tell users what it is. > > And if, for some reason, users are supposed not to change the priority, > then say so, in the doc. And if there is no such restriction or > recommendation, then let them know, if they should be assigning a > priority value that is a cons, such as (nil . NUMBER). > > IOW, please communicate with your users about such changes: what they > mean for users (what behavior differences they can expect), and how they > can manipulate/customize the behavior. The Elisp manual does mention that "Emacs sometimes uses non-numeric priority values for some of its internal overlays", but it would be nice if it documented what those were and what they mean. The comments in simple.el mention that a cons cell value represents primary/secondary priorities, but it's not clear what the difference is. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 12 12:46:51 2016 Received: (at 20253) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2016 16:46:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57853 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bjUNf-0006ef-LU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 12:46:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48893) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bjUNX-0006eK-Ga for 20253@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 12:46:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bjUNH-0002Yj-SA for 20253@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 12:46:37 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39486) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bjUNH-0002YU-Oo; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 12:46:27 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1869 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bjUNG-0007Kx-SW; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 12:46:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:46:30 +0300 Message-Id: <83k2eh9ic9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Alex In-reply-to: <87inu2vx36.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Alex on Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:24:45 -0600) Subject: Re: bug#20253: 24.4; Document `region' face behavior changes, overlay, priority References: <0ad651bb-89bc-4e86-9354-063db1c400a2@default> <87inu2vx36.fsf@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -7.3 (-------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20253 Cc: 20253@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -7.3 (-------) > From: Alex > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:24:45 -0600 > Cc: 20253@debbugs.gnu.org > > The Elisp manual does mention that "Emacs sometimes uses non-numeric > priority values for some of its internal overlays", but it would be nice > if it documented what those were and what they mean. > > The comments in simple.el mention that a cons cell value represents > primary/secondary priorities, but it's not clear what the difference is. See compare_overlays in buffer.c. The ELisp manual is not supposed to be a comprehensive documentation of the Emacs internals, it's supposed to provide information for users who write Lisp programs. People who develop Emacs itself will need to read the sources anyway. So it's not a big deal if some obscure feature is not described in the manual, it just means it is not supposed to be used by Lisp programs that are not part of Emacs. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 12 13:20:04 2016 Received: (at 20253) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2016 17:20:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57882 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bjUto-0007Sv-Jq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 13:20:04 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:38900) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bjUtm-0007SM-8d for 20253@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 13:20:02 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u8CHJtdN015144 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:19:55 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u8CHJsb6022156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:19:55 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u8CHJmdM021874; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:19:54 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 10:19:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Alex Subject: RE: bug#20253: 24.4; Document `region' face behavior changes, overlay, priority References: <<0ad651bb-89bc-4e86-9354-063db1c400a2@default>> <<87inu2vx36.fsf@gmail.com>> <<83k2eh9ic9.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83k2eh9ic9.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20253 Cc: 20253@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) > > The Elisp manual does mention that "Emacs sometimes uses non-numeric > > priority values for some of its internal overlays", but it would be nic= e > > if it documented what those were and what they mean. > > > > The comments in simple.el mention that a cons cell value represents > > primary/secondary priorities, but it's not clear what the difference is= . >=20 > See compare_overlays in buffer.c. >=20 > The ELisp manual is not supposed to be a comprehensive documentation > of the Emacs internals, it's supposed to provide information for users > who write Lisp programs. People who develop Emacs itself will need to > read the sources anyway. So it's not a big deal if some obscure > feature is not described in the manual, it just means it is not > supposed to be used by Lisp programs that are not part of Emacs. I disagree that THIS is an "internal" and "obscure" feature, and that "it is not supposed to be used by Lisp programs that are not part of Emacs". It cannot be, if users want to control the behavior of the `region' overlay and similar. Questions about this arise from end users. The change in behavior to not have highlighting of the selected text (region) take precedence over other highlighting has provoked some users to ask how they can get the previous behavior again, etc. More generally, it is a fairly common question how to juggle overlay priorities to get the effect of what (nil . NUMBER) provides. Such questions, and their answers, immediately lead users to this feature (after someone digs it out for them). They ask about understanding and controlling the _behavior_. They end up needing to know about (nil . NUMBER) - but it is not something that they started out wondering about. This is not about some curious user wanting to delve into "Emacs internals". And the question of this bug report is not only about documenting (nil . NUMBER). It is about documenting the user-visible _behavior_ change for region highlighting, and how to accommodate and control it. >> IOW, please communicate with your users about such changes: what >> they mean for users (what behavior differences they can expect), >> and how they can manipulate/customize the behavior. It's the least that users can expect from the extensible, customizable, self-documenting editor. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 12 14:37:26 2016 Received: (at 20253) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2016 18:37:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57918 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bjW6g-0002So-NX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:37:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54589) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bjW6e-0002SH-3r for 20253@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:37:25 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bjW6V-0001et-PD for 20253@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:37:19 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41367) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bjW6V-0001ei-Lt; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:37:15 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1985 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bjW6R-0007EB-Mf; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:37:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 21:37:01 +0300 Message-Id: <83wpih7ynm.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Mon, 12 Sep 2016 10:19:42 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#20253: 24.4; Document `region' face behavior changes, overlay, priority References: <<0ad651bb-89bc-4e86-9354-063db1c400a2@default>> <<87inu2vx36.fsf@gmail.com>> <<83k2eh9ic9.fsf@gnu.org>> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -7.3 (-------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20253 Cc: 20253@debbugs.gnu.org, agrambot@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -7.3 (-------) > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 10:19:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 20253@debbugs.gnu.org > > I disagree that THIS is an "internal" and "obscure" feature, and > that "it is not supposed to be used by Lisp programs that are not > part of Emacs". It cannot be, if users want to control the behavior > of the `region' overlay and similar. Of course, you disagree: you filed the bug, didn't you? > Questions about this arise from end users. I didn't see any. Please invite those users to ask the questions here or on emacs-devel. Maybe I will change my mind after hearing them. > And the question of this bug report is not only about documenting > (nil . NUMBER). It is about documenting the user-visible _behavior_ > change for region highlighting, and how to accommodate and control it. I said nothing about that part. 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[174.2.107.88]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x128sm8458811ite.22.2016.09.21.11.11.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 21 Sep 2016 11:11:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#20253: 24.4; Document `region' face behavior changes, overlay, priority References: <0ad651bb-89bc-4e86-9354-063db1c400a2@default>> <87inu2vx36.fsf@gmail.com>> <83k2eh9ic9.fsf@gnu.org>> <83wpih7ynm.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:11:08 -0600 In-Reply-To: <83wpih7ynm.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 12 Sep 2016 21:37:01 +0300") Message-ID: <87vaxpnmwz.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20253 Cc: 20253@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 10:19:42 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Drew Adams >> Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 20253@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> Questions about this arise from end users. > > I didn't see any. Please invite those users to ask the questions here > or on emacs-devel. Maybe I will change my mind after hearing them. > My curiosity about the meaning of a cons cell priority is what pushed me to find and respond to this bug, so I guess that would count as one question. Since the region overlay is a very common overlay, I think it is important enough to at least have a passing statement about its priority value type in the documentation. Even something like "For example, some overlays use a cons cell priority (PRIMARY . SECONDARY), where SECONDARY is used as a tie-breaker if the PRIMARY priorities and boundaries of the overlays are equal." would be nice. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 21 14:37:29 2016 Received: (at 20253) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Sep 2016 18:37:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59897 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bmmOf-00025s-7p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:37:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46108) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bmmOd-00025g-RQ for 20253@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:37:28 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bmmOU-0008RQ-GA for 20253@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:37:22 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41692) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bmmOU-0008R7-Cs; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:37:18 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4370 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bmmOQ-00030Q-HK; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:37:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 21:35:27 +0300 Message-Id: <834m59f6ds.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Alex In-reply-to: <87vaxpnmwz.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Alex on Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:11:08 -0600) Subject: Re: bug#20253: 24.4; Document `region' face behavior changes, overlay, priority References: <0ad651bb-89bc-4e86-9354-063db1c400a2@default>> <87inu2vx36.fsf@gmail.com>> <83k2eh9ic9.fsf@gnu.org>> <83wpih7ynm.fsf@gnu.org> <87vaxpnmwz.fsf@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.1 (--------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20253 Cc: 20253@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.1 (--------) > From: Alex > Cc: Drew Adams , 20253@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:11:08 -0600 > > My curiosity about the meaning of a cons cell priority is what pushed me > to find and respond to this bug, so I guess that would count as one > question. > > Since the region overlay is a very common overlay, I think it is > important enough to at least have a passing statement about its priority > value type in the documentation. Even something like "For example, some > overlays use a cons cell priority (PRIMARY . SECONDARY), where SECONDARY > is used as a tie-breaker if the PRIMARY priorities and boundaries of the > overlays are equal." would be nice. I hoped to hear some practical reasons for this, not just curiosity. Like practical use cases where knowing that internal detail (as opposed to using the documented methods of comparing priorities etc.) is imperative for that use case. People often ask questions here out of curiosity about the display engine's inner workings, for example, and I try to answer them as best as I can. But that doesn't mean all I write here in those discussions should be in the manual. IOW, the need to have some internal detail described in the manual (which implies we will have to update and maintain it for the years to come) should have more important reasons than just curiosity. 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[174.2.107.88]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v69sm12721939itc.1.2016.09.21.12.10.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:10:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#20253: 24.4; Document `region' face behavior changes, overlay, priority References: <0ad651bb-89bc-4e86-9354-063db1c400a2@default>> <87inu2vx36.fsf@gmail.com>> <83k2eh9ic9.fsf@gnu.org>> <83wpih7ynm.fsf@gnu.org> <87vaxpnmwz.fsf@gmail.com> <834m59f6ds.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:10:43 -0600 In-Reply-To: <834m59f6ds.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 21 Sep 2016 21:35:27 +0300") Message-ID: <87r38dnk5o.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20253 Cc: 20253@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Alex >> Cc: Drew Adams , 20253@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:11:08 -0600 >> >> My curiosity about the meaning of a cons cell priority is what pushed me >> to find and respond to this bug, so I guess that would count as one >> question. >> >> Since the region overlay is a very common overlay, I think it is >> important enough to at least have a passing statement about its priority >> value type in the documentation. Even something like "For example, some >> overlays use a cons cell priority (PRIMARY . SECONDARY), where SECONDARY >> is used as a tie-breaker if the PRIMARY priorities and boundaries of the >> overlays are equal." would be nice. > > I hoped to hear some practical reasons for this, not just curiosity. > Like practical use cases where knowing that internal detail (as > opposed to using the documented methods of comparing priorities etc.) > is imperative for that use case. I should have mentioned that aside from curiosity I did need to know about what the region overlay's priority represented so that I can know what priority to give overlays that interacted with the region overlay. > People often ask questions here out of curiosity about the display > engine's inner workings, for example, and I try to answer them as best > as I can. But that doesn't mean all I write here in those discussions > should be in the manual. Right, but I think that the region overlay is prominent enough to have all of its properties be in a documented form. > IOW, the need to have some internal detail described in the manual > (which implies we will have to update and maintain it for the years to > come) should have more important reasons than just curiosity. Hopefully the above is enough to warrant an extra sentence or two in the manual. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 21 16:25:54 2016 Received: (at 20253) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Sep 2016 20:25:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59979 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bmo5a-0004kf-7D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 16:25:54 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:33552) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bmo5X-0004kR-Kr for 20253@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 16:25:52 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u8LKPjDh030559 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Sep 2016 20:25:45 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u8LKPiPb018318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Sep 2016 20:25:45 GMT Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u8LKPiCY027733; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 20:25:44 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0de1894c-088a-4a24-86a3-f3829c267605@default> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:25:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Alex , Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#20253: 24.4; Document `region' face behavior changes, overlay, priority References: <0ad651bb-89bc-4e86-9354-063db1c400a2@default>> <87inu2vx36.fsf@gmail.com>> <83k2eh9ic9.fsf@gnu.org>> <83wpih7ynm.fsf@gnu.org> <87vaxpnmwz.fsf@gmail.com> <834m59f6ds.fsf@gnu.org> <87r38dnk5o.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87r38dnk5o.fsf@gmail.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20253 Cc: 20253@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) Related: http://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/17324/105 (This has been reported and discussed before - both negative values and dotted-pair values.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 23 04:27:57 2016 Received: (at 20253) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2016 08:27:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33051 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bnLpt-0006el-55 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 04:27:57 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55344) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bnLpr-0006eZ-PQ for 20253@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 04:27:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bnLpj-0004JG-Ex for 20253@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 04:27:50 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43673) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bnLpj-0004Iy-CL; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 04:27:47 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2982 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bnLph-0008V7-ID; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 04:27:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 11:28:12 +0300 Message-Id: <83y42jc95v.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Alex In-reply-to: <87r38dnk5o.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Alex on Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:10:43 -0600) Subject: Re: bug#20253: 24.4; Document `region' face behavior changes, overlay, priority References: <0ad651bb-89bc-4e86-9354-063db1c400a2@default>> <87inu2vx36.fsf@gmail.com>> <83k2eh9ic9.fsf@gnu.org>> <83wpih7ynm.fsf@gnu.org> <87vaxpnmwz.fsf@gmail.com> <834m59f6ds.fsf@gnu.org> <87r38dnk5o.fsf@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.1 (--------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20253 Cc: 20253@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.1 (--------) > From: Alex > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 20253@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:10:43 -0600 > > Hopefully the above is enough to warrant an extra sentence or two in the > manual. Done. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 12 15:02:51 2019 Received: (at 20253) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2019 19:02:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34148 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJMfD-0003bm-7g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:02:51 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:37850) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJMfB-0003bc-Aq for 20253@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:02:49 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iJMf7-00075X-Ss; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 21:02:48 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#20253: 24.4; Document `region' face behavior changes, overlay, priority References: <0ad651bb-89bc-4e86-9354-063db1c400a2@default>> <87inu2vx36.fsf@gmail.com>> <83k2eh9ic9.fsf@gnu.org>> <83wpih7ynm.fsf@gnu.org> <87vaxpnmwz.fsf@gmail.com> <834m59f6ds.fsf@gnu.org> <87r38dnk5o.fsf@gmail.com> <83y42jc95v.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 21:02:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83y42jc95v.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 23 Sep 2016 11:28:12 +0300") Message-ID: <87k199lrca.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Hopefully the above is enough to warrant an extra sentence or two in the >> manual. > > Done. I don't think there's anything more to do here, so I'm closing this bug report. 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