From unknown Sun Aug 10 07:33:09 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#20213: 25.0.50; Info top level (dir) instructions Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 19:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 20213 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 20213@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.142748579023168 (code B ref -1); Fri, 27 Mar 2015 19:50:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Mar 2015 19:49:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38331 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YbaGM-00061b-7B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:49:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39011) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YbaGJ-00061O-Rw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:49:48 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YbaGD-0006O8-AN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:49:42 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:39965) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YbaGD-0006O4-71 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:49:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40731) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YbaGC-00046w-7N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:49:41 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YbaG7-0006Kk-1m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:49:40 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:22555) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YbaG6-0006KR-R1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:49:34 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t2RJnXLT014557 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 19:49:34 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2RJnXBR026585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 19:49:33 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2RJnX9m016813 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 19:49:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 12:49:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) The instructions say this: The Info Directory ****************** The Info Directory is the top-level menu of major Info topics. Type "d" in Info to return to the Info Directory. Type "q" to exit Info. Type "?" for a list of Info commands, or "h" to visit an Info tutorial. Type "m" to choose a menu item--for instance, "mEmacs" visits the Emacs manual. In Emacs Info, you can click mouse button 2 on a menu item or cross reference to follow it to its target. Each menu line that starts with a * is a topic you can select with "m". Every third topic has a red * to help pick the right number to type. But what does this mean: "to help pick the right number to type"? It means something to oldtimers, no doubt, but to someone new to Emacs and seeing that for the first time? It probably means nothing to them. What's missing, I think, is any mention that you can just type the number of a menu item to follow its link (visit that manual or node). For example, you can just hit `5' to go to the Elisp manual from the top (dir) node. And at the top level of the Elisp manual you can just hit `2' to go to node `Lisp Data Types'. Mentioning that in the top-level instructions, along with all the rest that is said (e.g., mouse-2), will make the mysterious phrase clear. FWIW, the quickest way to get to the Elisp manual is, AFAIK, `C-h i 5'. In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-10-20 on LEG570 Bzr revision: 118168 rgm@gnu.org-20141020195941-icp42t8ttcnud09g Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs CPPFLAGS=3D-DGLYPH_DEBUG=3D1' From unknown Sun Aug 10 07:33:09 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.503 (Entity 5.503) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Drew Adams Subject: bug#20213: closed (Re: bug#20213: 25.0.50; Info top level (dir) instructions) Message-ID: References: <83k2xzzrem.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 20213 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 20213@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 16:44:04 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1427647444-6043-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1427647444-6043-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #20213: 25.0.50; Info top level (dir) instructions which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 20213@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 20213: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D20213 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1427647444-6043-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 20213-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Mar 2015 16:43:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39755 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YcGIl-0001XR-2F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 12:43:07 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:64714) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YcGIi-0001Ws-0h for 20213-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 12:43:05 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NLZ00J00FMPSJ00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 20213-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 19:42:57 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NLZ00JTOFRLNUB0@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 19:42:57 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 19:42:41 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#20213: 25.0.50; Info top level (dir) instructions In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83k2xzzrem.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20213-done Cc: 20213-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 12:49:32 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > In Emacs Info, you can click mouse button 2 on a menu item > or cross reference to follow it to its target. > Each menu line that starts with a * is a topic you can select with "m". > Every third topic has a red * to help pick the right number to type. > > But what does this mean: "to help pick the right number to type"? It > means something to oldtimers, no doubt, but to someone new to Emacs and > seeing that for the first time? It probably means nothing to them. > > What's missing, I think, is any mention that you can just type the > number of a menu item to follow its link (visit that manual or node). Thanks, fixed. ------------=_1427647444-6043-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Mar 2015 19:49:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38331 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YbaGM-00061b-7B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:49:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39011) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YbaGJ-00061O-Rw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:49:48 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YbaGD-0006O8-AN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:49:42 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:39965) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YbaGD-0006O4-71 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:49:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40731) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YbaGC-00046w-7N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:49:41 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YbaG7-0006Kk-1m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:49:40 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:22555) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YbaG6-0006KR-R1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:49:34 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t2RJnXLT014557 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 19:49:34 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2RJnXBR026585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 19:49:33 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2RJnX9m016813 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 19:49:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 12:49:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.0.50; Info top level (dir) instructions X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) The instructions say this: The Info Directory ****************** The Info Directory is the top-level menu of major Info topics. Type "d" in Info to return to the Info Directory. Type "q" to exit Info. Type "?" for a list of Info commands, or "h" to visit an Info tutorial. Type "m" to choose a menu item--for instance, "mEmacs" visits the Emacs manual. In Emacs Info, you can click mouse button 2 on a menu item or cross reference to follow it to its target. Each menu line that starts with a * is a topic you can select with "m". Every third topic has a red * to help pick the right number to type. But what does this mean: "to help pick the right number to type"? It means something to oldtimers, no doubt, but to someone new to Emacs and seeing that for the first time? It probably means nothing to them. What's missing, I think, is any mention that you can just type the number of a menu item to follow its link (visit that manual or node). For example, you can just hit `5' to go to the Elisp manual from the top (dir) node. And at the top level of the Elisp manual you can just hit `2' to go to node `Lisp Data Types'. Mentioning that in the top-level instructions, along with all the rest that is said (e.g., mouse-2), will make the mysterious phrase clear. FWIW, the quickest way to get to the Elisp manual is, AFAIK, `C-h i 5'. In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-10-20 on LEG570 Bzr revision: 118168 rgm@gnu.org-20141020195941-icp42t8ttcnud09g Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs CPPFLAGS=3D-DGLYPH_DEBUG=3D1' ------------=_1427647444-6043-1--