From unknown Mon Jun 16 16:53:32 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#20183 <20183@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#20183 <20183@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.4.91; No resize handle to adjust width of Emacs windows Reply-To: bug#20183 <20183@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2025 23:53:32 +0000 retitle 20183 24.4.91; No resize handle to adjust width of Emacs windows reassign 20183 emacs submitter 20183 nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. 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[134.190.134.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f142sm1178162ioe.3.2015.03.23.12.15.12 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.4.91; No resize handle to adjust width of Emacs windows Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:15:11 -0300 Message-ID: <87d23zwmo0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) There are resize handles to adjust the height and width of an Emacs frame; and there is a resize handle to adjust the height of an Emacs window (when there is more than one window tiled vertically (above/below) on a frame); but there is _no_ resize handle to adjust the width of an Emacs window (when there is more than one window tiled horizontally (side-by-side) on a frame. This can be observed from emacs -Q. I'm not sure if this is a bug or a missing feature. === In GNU Emacs 24.4.91.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.9) of 2015-03-10 on moondust Windowing system distributor `Fedora Project', version 11.0.11603000 System Description: Fedora release 21 (Twenty One) Configured using: `configure --prefix=/home/nlj/local/ --enable-checking 'CFLAGS=-O0 -g3 -ggdb'' Important settings: value of $LC_MONETARY: en_DK.utf8 value of $LC_NUMERIC: en_DK.utf8 value of $LC_TIME: en_DK.utf8 value of $LANG: en_CA.utf8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Group Minor modes in effect: gnus-undo-mode: t TeX-PDF-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t recentf-mode: t display-battery-mode: t display-time-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t savehist-mode: t iswitchb-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t cua-mode: t tooltip-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t size-indication-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t global-visual-line-mode: t visual-line-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent messages: Sending... 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21:30:59 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NLO00DBUJJMKV40@mtaout27.012.net.il>; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:30:59 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:36:01 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#20183: 24.4.91; No resize handle to adjust width of Emacs windows In-reply-to: <87d23zwmo0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Message-id: <83fv8vqzfi.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87d23zwmo0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20183 Cc: 20183@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:15:11 -0300 > > but there is _no_ resize handle to adjust the width of an Emacs > window (when there is more than one window tiled horizontally > (side-by-side) on a frame. Yes, there is: locate the mouse pointer above the place where the two mode lines of the two adjacent windows meet. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 23 15:48:48 2015 Received: (at 20183) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Mar 2015 19:48:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34165 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ya8LA-00007C-1K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:48:48 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:20590) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ya8L7-00006x-Px for 20183@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:48:46 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t2NJmdbG014390 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Mar 2015 19:48:39 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2NJmc3Q014410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Mar 2015 19:48:38 GMT Received: from abhmp0017.oracle.com (abhmp0017.oracle.com [141.146.116.23]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2NJmcwp012658; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 19:48:38 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <75554998-f4de-4a52-bbd1-310b648c0a32@default> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:48:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com, 20183@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#20183: 24.4.91; No resize handle to adjust width of Emacs windows References: <87d23zwmo0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <87d23zwmo0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20183 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Actually, there is. But it is carefully hidden. ;-) In the mode line there is a tiny vertical line separating the mode lines of= the two side-by-side windows. That's the handle - you can drag it left & r= ight. If you want a more visible and substantial divider then you can customize `default-frame-alist' to have it include an entry such as this: (right-divider-width . 3) IOW, you can set frame parameter `right-divider-width' to make the divider appear (!) and offer an affordance (handle) that you can drag. For the window bottom, you can drag the mode line. And for this there is also frame parameter `bottom-divider-width'. FWIW, Emacs used to have a more visible handle for dragging left-right. But its GUI was improved (long ago, now), and it was removed in the process. FWIW2, I think the default values of `right-divider-width' and `bottom-divider-width' should be non-zero - to make these dividers visible & usable. The default values of zero make dragging left-right non-obvious. At least you can drag the mode line (i.e., even with a zero value for `bottom-divider-width'). Another problem is discovery of these frame parameters (there are no user options for these things, other than the `*-frame-alist' options). And even if they were made aware of these frame parameters, my guess is that many users would not know how to customize Emacs to set them. HTH. > There are resize handles to adjust the height and width of an Emacs > frame; and there is a resize handle to adjust the height of an Emacs > window (when there is more than one window tiled vertically > (above/below) on a frame); but there is _no_ resize handle to adjust the > width of an Emacs window (when there is more than one window tiled > horizontally (side-by-side) on a frame. >=20 > This can be observed from emacs -Q. >=20 > I'm not sure if this is a bug or a missing feature. 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Jackson) To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#20183: 24.4.91; No resize handle to adjust width of Emacs windows References: <87d23zwmo0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83fv8vqzfi.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:57:58 -0300 In-Reply-To: <83fv8vqzfi.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:36:01 +0200") Message-ID: <878uenwhwp.fsf@moondust.localdomain> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20183 Cc: 20183@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) At 16:36 -0300 on Monday 2015-03-23, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) >> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:15:11 -0300 >> >> but there is _no_ resize handle to adjust the width of an Emacs >> window (when there is more than one window tiled horizontally >> (side-by-side) on a frame. > > Yes, there is: locate the mouse pointer above the place where the two > mode lines of the two adjacent windows meet. Ah! There it is. (I think I maybe knew that once.) I think it might be worth documenting this in the manual. Perhaps in Section 20.5 Deleting and Rearranging Windows, which might be better named "Deleting, Rearranging, and Resizing Windows". Also a search for "resize" in the manual doesn't currently find this section even though it is where the (keyboard-based) resizing commands are documented. On the other hand, this functionality is not something a user would expect to have to look up in the manual. Resizing things on screen by dragging a handle provided when placing the mouse cursor over their boundary is a very commonplace, almost universal idiom; it would be nice if Emacs could do this by default. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 02 09:22:20 2015 Received: (at 20183) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2015 13:22:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37042 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAeRY-00031c-4G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:22:20 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:62752) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAeRW-00031P-7U for 20183@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:22:18 -0400 Received: from [178.190.20.61] ([178.190.20.61]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MfAog-1ZQdpY3QKo-00Opz1; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 15:22:10 +0200 Message-ID: <55953AFC.5080307@gmx.at> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 15:22:04 +0200 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "N. Jackson" , Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#20183: 24.4.91; No resize handle to adjust width of Emacs windows References: <87d23zwmo0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83fv8vqzfi.fsf@gnu.org> <878uenwhwp.fsf@moondust.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <878uenwhwp.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:NdRynXy7q54xDxpaquAhQqQxD0YRgBJ8ipHxFGHqMKMx1yHvM5D njceicWc5kqLoGONDYKyUdrgXCyeIPvFwxfbo7OvYHvyqosRUqzyBXDGFiSPc+KFQ6cQmDA ks1qF1RKUqrJkyWaROl3+GWLowwerBL+x0WBzIxxXLdHMBYAZBYncvvRyHQ2objRXWS7/To v4p/blrTTehSNncp8sFtA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:G4Y3hCsOoY4=:ZZIFEET1CoHc1C7k+3ZhsK 9wUX1T/diC02M2nb4LVJOZ42IUrSb/pFzUwgPU7ztQ0Luptyl+ms14KepJnS5kN83kP9V80L2 tTOomfXtS7Wl7wCGKG2BzyR/VHlIPoy3DB+5LZ/iormtyH9KwqUspdJ9sxKDFlPvs4JjdKjod aodBxy5bjYCWBNgz8HH1ADahRjsaHGXKmddAs/gD8ug7PIYviAZd919gotOzLY2RsQdBLJp// japQGGtKSWtcRadotueAj6D9tblmiyWPIFq5w9WAA2AwsbrLkXbmBovKFQ7BIfiL1km8lKSSV eZNJ07UpZ5ACm7qJ+BiUASIA0ilCgP+gHIKTRX79VtrlQV7mDVcSFZWnC94CaB1q+rd/lwYif Y5vK+dMRtdkpgJtMj9wombELdA5/sVcEh9i1WL9A10IgRVpd1jixLapK/RyfPKprmsFKVsBRu ZAkthluW0+c66WHC+fohSCocf/eCig7pI+4GEbxUNW1DCSBdbL0Ul8mxMbFuZSUjvl+8YadPB wLvZcgodscgWeEZ05k++vGjvxhTtLGuZWq0R9f/cnGzBC2bFsiXI9EhNv76GSweEHXHVPBmcs 2tu74pdOjCcGoj/8aPntGjMn58vmoo69/2Xhyi/cyePwxGV06HOT4EMlDDENo60JqErIRC4TE 1VhWmksj2qVUndCedpPL0xGNMr5WKz8SEjvfP8OOZ5UYCdWIEJ4YDMvGtqGaBh3n6aGI= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20183 Cc: 20183@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) > I think it might be worth documenting this in the manual. Perhaps in > Section 20.5 Deleting and Rearranging Windows, which might be better > named "Deleting, Rearranging, and Resizing Windows". It's called "Deleting and Resizing Windows" now. > Also a search for "resize" in the manual doesn't currently find this > section even though it is where the (keyboard-based) resizing commands are > documented. A few concept indices are there now. > On the other hand, this functionality is not something a user would > expect to have to look up in the manual. Resizing things on screen by > dragging a handle provided when placing the mouse cursor over their > boundary is a very commonplace, almost universal idiom; it would be nice > if Emacs could do this by default. I'm afraid that some users would deeply deplore the loss of sacred screen estate then. martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 02 09:22:34 2015 Received: (at 20183) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2015 13:22:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37045 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAeRm-000325-Gx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:22:34 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:57315) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAeRl-00031q-2Y for 20183@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:22:33 -0400 Received: from [178.190.20.61] ([178.190.20.61]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MQzoI-1ZcjBb1USs-00UM2p; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 15:22:21 +0200 Message-ID: <55953B07.7010409@gmx.at> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 15:22:15 +0200 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Drew Adams , nljlistbox2@gmail.com, 20183@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#20183: 24.4.91; No resize handle to adjust width of Emacs windows References: <87d23zwmo0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <75554998-f4de-4a52-bbd1-310b648c0a32@default> In-Reply-To: <75554998-f4de-4a52-bbd1-310b648c0a32@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:V5EAoCALtBvg7EiV/E+Sxdvw6iSGgS4FI60PJQSRLG0KGPmNEhi iXoASuGFqML2Wc6botjxRvUGV+r0oq8nmk2VMofvtrkJqtIcVVjdaXJGO6Y+gDQBkx/7lDT /Jra+JIdT3ogAtsyuoCXp4eDkoXSdrh8xmnPt+YSxcOAyontewgtznumcruIKKr3nBXKzD/ oP5Dk9jIDoAmqXffxVepw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:mWuo7MH2Zao=:gY8VQIimOazfd89NAo7H4A tIgdXK5nMuwbuIrsjOK4uXBKJBbKnQDIKMPKasZAqe6SqIA7zaIn9oj8vbSxPabp/tF/QlgDP 4fki38pGuxnMjUSjE63DwwEeQlN1HIaeacYtISHUGnxt1NlNHa6Gzxet4HNj1ujrhDhPECURe J6bEdCbWQDzyqVlsQe/ESNQ+nB2rNH2XX3BPKWbGdoQ8E2JRm0qvyIcr/cFRrBWcQZZ7uA5Mn VNR6vomCvmHwEvxhPf6zrjynWdh7DY+PD75von/y29QJ0ag8Pcef/BvF/K5fJagkR8juRF2c3 ODzgZjLwPiOAsUypjctx4wQM6Mm5hobY6RUBRaWJQadIeLIqlRiwxlyx8UjcLf+ouIq29ybch G6D1VoARRD5Jug+H1yI7YDFMEfJkykNV/p9iiK6TLvgvhewAlBV7NOPW/t4POJTs9f7sM2+oO tCgJwbP/EXLJovrdrzKcplaYeRYMSr+6t3RikrrCO5iSwcwOKqMcW7kRXKf2ZFe0z/SZ8mTDz yGqpJzUtcdkTp22RZWx1S90A8E8EsrmuqiGadh13o68+UnjklMxe0CbJ3DX2lYQyfHCx+zpFc v/QAk9T2FLhdAYrYOnR+M2EgcbtiF9tTFoYUK48BovhAYFAwKEhNjY6MZ5aB0c2pYr8/VSHXB xle524WjfT5GvfmJ0AkjLDkGstE+u6kOXsYwxCjJjEzGeiHLUExo7ObKdXEema7BmlDk= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20183 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) > FWIW2, I think the default values of `right-divider-width' and > `bottom-divider-width' should be non-zero - to make these dividers > visible & usable. Then people will complain that valuable display space gets wasted. > Another problem is discovery of these frame parameters (there are no > user options for these things, other than the `*-frame-alist' options). I now implemented a minor mode called `window-divider-mode' and added a menu entry to make window dividers more discoverable. > And even if they were made aware of these frame parameters, my guess > is that many users would not know how to customize Emacs to set them. You're probably right. martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 02 11:32:21 2015 Received: (at 20183) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2015 15:32:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37821 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAgTN-0006FT-8N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 11:32:21 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:41377) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAgTK-0006FF-Kb for 20183@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 11:32:19 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t62FWCle004104 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:32:12 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t62FWBtU016677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:32:12 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t62FWBfm017099; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:32:11 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 08:32:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: martin rudalics , "N. Jackson" , Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#20183: 24.4.91; No resize handle to adjust width of Emacs windows References: <87d23zwmo0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83fv8vqzfi.fsf@gnu.org> <878uenwhwp.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <55953AFC.5080307@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: <55953AFC.5080307@gmx.at> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20183 Cc: 20183@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) > > On the other hand, this functionality is not something a user > > would expect to have to look up in the manual. Resizing things on > > screen by dragging a handle provided when placing the mouse cursor > > over their boundary is a very commonplace, almost universal idiom; > > it would be nice if Emacs could do this by default. >=20 > I'm afraid that some users would deeply deplore the loss of sacred > screen estate then. They can always customize Emacs, to get back those pixels. The problem of not being aware of such possibilities is a bigger problem, IMHO. And I agree with N. Jackson that this particular affordance is something that is quite common and thus often expected. [FWIW, I've long been in favor of giving :help-echo or other pop-up help for UI elements a menu item that takes users to either the doc about customizing that element or directly to an appropriate Customize buffer. In this case, it would mean (a) we show the handle by default and (b) we provide mouseover help with a link that gives you access to the doc you added about this - doc that describes the UI element and tells you how to customize it.] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 02 12:15:16 2015 Received: (at 20183) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2015 16:15:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37850 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAh8u-0007Ir-7p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:15:16 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:63705) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAh8r-0007IX-D4 for 20183@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:15:14 -0400 Received: from [62.46.214.51] ([62.46.214.51]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MRXzM-1ZdCO92fJw-00SeNg; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:15:05 +0200 Message-ID: <55956382.1020903@gmx.at> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:14:58 +0200 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Drew Adams , "N. Jackson" , Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#20183: 24.4.91; No resize handle to adjust width of Emacs windows References: <87d23zwmo0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83fv8vqzfi.fsf@gnu.org> <878uenwhwp.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <55953AFC.5080307@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:hS8GdjA/eSsiFUtk+w1oJ6WTm7ijvSMwuqZ6/7nUFQUyxllTQ+g 3MsBKTbQrCj4/TUxSn82p8qG2XjaO8arzlcBclAXygIZO/bEdeEhFmw9smsNpcHHBT2Pq8z HuwoBfxnCOrHjtNUO5Fltyfj08D0WlAVWAY5a88bnChObdoWTOBlKKQ5DiZYlJujLmHr7IU MblFuuw9L7I9fgB8fg83A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:l2r5bAWSyXE=:GdFREwlqmTHRQdNtTD2X4x mupHQNDz2fckMY2hRMggOZsa6C3KzOqiBfevsGtSEjUShI/AeTf63rNNEpBB6iC7bvnt+8Wx6 t96YRCwBhgS37dKc+Fps2tq+6jMuhB63nvLaQiYz3g23WDufidDsDMn96PlN8LEPyyRntn2KX 1YOGVIWpzfoC5++0z6m3Hr572Nn1h+3uLV1k5O2/9wEEin1NhvNWJjELayYAXRFJSEAtUGeRg qCSHsvdNUDcHMXnwfNiIQgFlq4mXCGqmANDBxJQlYMKSN5vn55n68DApwjzrLbH4dG+KBzJcI aZLnpTugP2t0K7fVJ43HU5SOabePlXHqbURvsog8QgHyWEAS3o5m+yYC9LmdJxH9MNL5w7X7D 5v1IhrfQuXS0xGYpINTC+AUfokalPf8dh0n+kafDmf6BvHW3+2inbdf+XjO4PJ1xqdKnW6Xlz QE+McN90RHG1+3a1rhP/nnGtjV3ld5OQpiQ+ElAScqlB+1VY5cuuTJXQ4o2BZ2cqmPgmg3NwM EPW7lW0FxczqL1QQeOLasJ0/uwv7iI18/6Zh6eS3cIBdvLWxUMohd9EFAlskB/PsYWqW33mxd G1dlGKVChSosP+WmPFzSYkNM9F3KclzNfQjWrC0pbPTXXwuzql4I+6SJ9IJdMsxmtNu1ELR7q 1IfQB8rLbf1jlEjxSVlxluq6qhFH1lWs0jm2R4qVWcJwdmBwHzZH3OiSqGMP1UBwbdsY= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20183 Cc: 20183@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) > They can always customize Emacs, to get back those pixels. The problem > of not being aware of such possibilities is a bigger problem, IMHO. > > And I agree with N. Jackson that this particular affordance > is something that is quite common and thus often expected. That's why I wrote it. But it was never on our TODO list. Maybe it is quite common for Windows users only. And so far nobody was interested in porting it to the ns build. > [FWIW, I've long been in favor of giving :help-echo or other pop-up > help for UI elements a menu item that takes users to either the doc > about customizing that element or directly to an appropriate Customize > buffer. In this case, it would mean (a) we show the handle by default > and (b) we provide mouseover help with a link that gives you access to > the doc you added about this - doc that describes the UI element and > tells you how to customize it.] There seems to be a technical problem with this. Pop-up help disappears here as soon as I move the mouse over it. martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 02 12:50:02 2015 Received: (at 20183) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2015 16:50:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37892 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAhgX-00088T-20 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:50:02 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:16624) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAhgV-00088G-FE for 20183@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:50:00 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t62GnqUk006120 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:49:52 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t62GnqQ1027981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:49:52 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t62Gnqnv032275; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:49:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5775471c-56b8-4648-b787-6557fd9f327f@default> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 09:49:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: martin rudalics , "N. Jackson" , Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#20183: 24.4.91; No resize handle to adjust width of Emacs windows References: <87d23zwmo0.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83fv8vqzfi.fsf@gnu.org> <878uenwhwp.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <55953AFC.5080307@gmx.at> <55956382.1020903@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: <55956382.1020903@gmx.at> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20183 Cc: 20183@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) > There seems to be a technical problem with this. Pop-up help > disappears here as soon as I move the mouse over it. Oh, right; my bad. Something more than :help-echo is needed for such a feature, no doubt. Perhaps a key binding. Or a key binding that acts only when a tooltip is shown (but that won't help if `tooltip-mode' is turned off). The general idea would be to provide help on Emacs UI components - whatever a user sees and might have questions about. How we might best do that, I don't know. Long ago I wrote a command, `help-on-click/key' that goes in that direction somewhat, but it doesn't handle anything Emacs displays that Lisp cannot perceive or interact with. And I haven't bothered to update it since 1999 (!), so it obviously does not reflect the many UI thingies added since then. You access this command using `C-h RET' or via the Help menu. You are then prompted to "Click mouse on something or type a key sequence". From the doc string: You can do any of the following: type a key sequence (e.g. `C-M-s') choose a menu item (e.g. [menu-bar files open-file]) click on a scroll bar click on the mode line click in the minibuffer click on an Emacs-related name in a buffer: apropos is called click anywhere else in a buffer: its modes are described Help is generally provided using `describe-key' and the Emacs online manual (via `Info-goto-emacs-key-command-node'). If no entry is found in the index of the Emacs manual, then the manual is searched from the beginning for literal occurrences of KEY. If you click on a name in a buffer, then `apropos-documentation' and `apropos' are used to find information on the name. These functions are not used when you do something besides click on a name. If you click elsewhere in a buffer other than the minibuffer, then `describe-mode' is used to describe the buffer's current mode(s). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 06 07:08:51 2015 Received: (at 20183-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jul 2015 11:08:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41559 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZC4GY-0005PE-Vw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 07:08:51 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:55099) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZC4GX-0005P0-Ca for 20183-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 07:08:49 -0400 Received: from [188.22.238.62] ([188.22.238.62]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LfTC1-1YfTJz00Vt-00p429; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 13:08:42 +0200 Message-ID: <559A61B9.4060008@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 13:08:41 +0200 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "N. 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