From unknown Mon Aug 18 16:18:28 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#20105 <20105@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#20105 <20105@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 25.0.50; Emacs manual, `i HOME RET' sends you to `Moving Point', which is wrong Reply-To: bug#20105 <20105@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 23:18:28 +0000 retitle 20105 25.0.50; Emacs manual, `i HOME RET' sends you to `Moving Poin= t', which is wrong reassign 20105 emacs submitter 20105 Drew Adams severity 20105 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 13 22:36:53 2015 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2015 02:36:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45605 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWbwb-0006v6-4B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 22:36:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43526) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWbwZ-0006ux-4G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 22:36:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YWbwX-0008Bb-V8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 22:36:50 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:42906) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YWbwX-0008BQ-T0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 22:36:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45155) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YWbwS-0005eG-Sj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 22:36:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YWbjj-00036Q-Rq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 22:23:38 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:46073) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YWbjj-00036H-KS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 22:23:35 -0400 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t2E2NYoS006116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:23:34 GMT Received: from userz7022.oracle.com (userz7022.oracle.com [156.151.31.86]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t2E2NXYC027734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:23:34 GMT Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by userz7022.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t2E2NWlg027719 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:23:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <265aed11-7056-45f2-afbf-1b5f8b3b0a05@default> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 19:23:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.0.50; Emacs manual, `i HOME RET' sends you to `Moving Point', which is wrong X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) For `i home TAB' you see these candidates: HOME home directory shorthand In my setup I see also these two, but for some reason I don't see them with `emacs -Q': HOME directory on MS-Windows HOME directory under MS-DOS In any case, those with the uppercase HOME should presumably not point to node `Moving Point' (and, in particular, to the key `'. That is wrong. Presumably, `HOME' should take you to some information about environment variable `HOME' or at least about the home directory. In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-10-20 on LEG570 Bzr revision: 118168 rgm@gnu.org-20141020195941-icp42t8ttcnud09g Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs CPPFLAGS=3D-DGLYPH_DEBUG=3D1' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 14 04:25:54 2015 Received: (at 20105) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2015 08:25:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45648 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWhOM-0007G5-Al for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 04:25:54 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:54670) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWhOJ-0007Fu-RF for 20105@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 04:25:53 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NL7004000A3YY00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 20105@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 10:25:49 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NL70045Y0R1YA20@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 10:25:49 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 10:25:49 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#20105: 25.0.50; Emacs manual, `i HOME RET' sends you to `Moving Point', which is wrong In-reply-to: <265aed11-7056-45f2-afbf-1b5f8b3b0a05@default> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83egos2df6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <265aed11-7056-45f2-afbf-1b5f8b3b0a05@default> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20105 Cc: 20105@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 19:23:31 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > For `i home TAB' you see these candidates: > HOME > home directory shorthand > > In my setup I see also these two, but for some reason I don't see them > with `emacs -Q': > HOME directory on MS-Windows > HOME directory under MS-DOS I see all 4 of them in "emacs -Q". Not sure why you don't; perhaps because your build is very old (but I doubt that). Do you have INFOPATH set in the environment, perhaps? > In any case, those with the uppercase HOME should presumably not point > to node `Moving Point' (and, in particular, to the key `'. That > is wrong. Presumably, `HOME' should take you to some information about > environment variable `HOME' or at least about the home directory. I disagree. In general, index searches are deliberately case-insensitive. In this particular case, you might assume that everyone knows the key is called , but a seasonal reader of the manual does not necessarily know that; he could, for example, take inspiration from SPC, RET, TAB, etc. We shouldn't fail those users, IMO. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 14 10:46:55 2015 Received: (at 20105) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2015 14:46:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46711 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWnL4-0001JJ-Ct for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 10:46:54 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:45991) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWnL2-0001JB-9i for 20105@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 10:46:53 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t2EEko34011751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Mar 2015 14:46:50 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2EEknfu008791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Mar 2015 14:46:49 GMT Received: from abhmp0007.oracle.com (abhmp0007.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t2EEkn86026011; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 14:46:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 07:46:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#20105: 25.0.50; Emacs manual, `i HOME RET' sends you to `Moving Point', which is wrong References: <<265aed11-7056-45f2-afbf-1b5f8b3b0a05@default>> <<83egos2df6.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83egos2df6.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20105 Cc: 20105@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > For `i home TAB' you see these candidates: > > HOME > > home directory shorthand > > > > In my setup I see also these two, but for some reason I don't see them > > with `emacs -Q': > > HOME directory on MS-Windows > > HOME directory under MS-DOS >=20 > I see all 4 of them in "emacs -Q". Not sure why you don't; perhaps > because your build is very old (but I doubt that). No, I see only 2, even in this recent build (see end of this message). > Do you have INFOPATH set in the environment, perhaps? Nope. > > In any case, those with the uppercase HOME should presumably not point > > to node `Moving Point' (and, in particular, to the key `'. That > > is wrong. Presumably, `HOME' should take you to some information about > > environment variable `HOME' or at least about the home directory. >=20 > I disagree. In general, index searches are deliberately > case-insensitive. In this particular case, you might assume that > everyone knows the key is called , but a seasonal reader of the > manual does not necessarily know that; he could, for example, take > inspiration from SPC, RET, TAB, etc. We shouldn't fail those users, > IMO. I agree about (a) case-insensitive "in general" and (b) users might not know about `' vs `home' vs `HOME'. But why is `HOME' capitalized as a candidate if it points to info about the key? That can only be misleading, I think. I don't think Emacs ever refers to the key that way (unlike, say, `TAB'). If we have a single `home' or `HOME' entry then we invite such problems. (If we _must_ have a single such entry, I would expect it to point to the env var.) We should have similar treatment for the key and the env var, IMO. E.g., if we have `home directory shorthand' then the key entry should be something like `home keyboard key'. And we don't seem to have any entry currently for the env var (?). Shouldn't a user be able to find some info about it? `HOME environment variable', for example. Anyway, I don't have a brilliant solution. But I noticed a problem. Maybe you can make some improvement based on this feedback. If not, feel free to close the bug. More recent build where I still see only two entries for `home TAB': In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-02-27 on LEG570 Repository revision: b2a590d4e3dc692a97c1b53e015b945d84b4b4c7 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --host=3Di686-pc-mingw32 --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG SOUND NOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: ENU locale-coding-system: cp1252 Major mode: Info Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Making completion list... 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Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util help-fns mail-prsvr mail-utils info easymenu dired time-date tooltip eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel dos-w32 ls-lisp disp-table w32-win w32-vars tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer cl-preloaded nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process w32notify w32 multi-tty emacs) Memory information: ((conses 8 187997 47058) (symbols 32 18506 1) (miscs 32 52 159) (strings 16 17991 4941) (string-bytes 1 413382) (vectors 8 9953) (vector-slots 4 396848 6048) (floats 8 68 277) (intervals 28 35386 3975) (buffers 516 15)) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 14 11:26:29 2015 Received: (at 20105) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2015 15:26:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46724 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWnxM-0002GV-Ic for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 11:26:28 -0400 Received: from mtaout27.012.net.il ([80.179.55.183]:41237) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWnxJ-0002GL-Q0 for 20105@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 11:26:27 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout27.012.net.il by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NL700J00JSPPR00@mtaout27.012.net.il> for 20105@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:21:03 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NL700ESXJZ3U640@mtaout27.012.net.il>; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:21:03 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:26:17 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#20105: 25.0.50; Emacs manual, `i HOME RET' sends you to `Moving Point', which is wrong In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <834mpn38iu.fsf@gnu.org> References: <265aed11-7056-45f2-afbf-1b5f8b3b0a05@default> <83egos2df6.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20105 Cc: 20105@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 07:46:49 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 20105@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > For `i home TAB' you see these candidates: > > > HOME > > > home directory shorthand > > > > > > In my setup I see also these two, but for some reason I don't see them > > > with `emacs -Q': > > > HOME directory on MS-Windows > > > HOME directory under MS-DOS > > > > I see all 4 of them in "emacs -Q". Not sure why you don't; perhaps > > because your build is very old (but I doubt that). > > No, I see only 2, even in this recent build (see end of this message). > > > Do you have INFOPATH set in the environment, perhaps? > > Nope. Strange. I have no idea why you see only 2 candidates. I see all 4 in both the master and emacs-24 branch. > I agree about (a) case-insensitive "in general" and (b) users might not > know about `' vs `home' vs `HOME'. > > But why is `HOME' capitalized as a candidate if it points to info about > the key? Don't know. Looks like some feature of completion. > And we don't seem to have any entry currently for the env var (?). > Shouldn't a user be able to find some info about it? > `HOME environment variable', for example. That's one of the 2 "HOME" entries. They belong to different indices, so they are identical (and collapsed by completion into a single completion candidate, I presume). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 14 11:59:34 2015 Received: (at 20105) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2015 15:59:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46730 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWoTN-00035I-M8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 11:59:34 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:18588) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWoTL-000359-5A for 20105@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 11:59:31 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t2EFxTrp003222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Mar 2015 15:59:30 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2EFxT1l001632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Mar 2015 15:59:29 GMT Received: from abhmp0007.oracle.com (abhmp0007.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2EFxTxT030070; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 15:59:29 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9fe72841-fa75-4bbe-bb92-c14e68e0cd7a@default> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 08:59:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#20105: 25.0.50; Emacs manual, `i HOME RET' sends you to `Moving Point', which is wrong References: <<265aed11-7056-45f2-afbf-1b5f8b3b0a05@default>> <<83egos2df6.fsf@gnu.org>> <> <<834mpn38iu.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<834mpn38iu.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20105 Cc: 20105@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > > > For `i home TAB' you see these candidates: > > > > HOME > > > > home directory shorthand > > > > > > > > In my setup I see also these two, but for some reason I don't see t= hem > > > > with `emacs -Q': > > > > HOME directory on MS-Windows > > > > HOME directory under MS-DOS > > > > > > I see all 4 of them in "emacs -Q". Not sure why you don't; perhaps > > > because your build is very old (but I doubt that). > > No, I see only 2, even in this recent build (see end of this message). > > > Do you have INFOPATH set in the environment, perhaps? > > Nope. >=20 > Strange. I have no idea why you see only 2 candidates. I see all 4 > in both the master and emacs-24 branch. I hear you. I don't know why. I'm on Windows 7 64-bit. Other than that, I don't know what else I can add here. But see below. I do have those two missing candidates as explicit entries in the manual indexes. It is completion that, for some reason, fails to pick them up. I don't see how you get different behavior, if we're both using `emacs -Q'. > > I agree about (a) case-insensitive "in general" and (b) users might not > > know about `' vs `home' vs `HOME'. > > > > But why is `HOME' capitalized as a candidate if it points to info about > > the key? >=20 > Don't know. Looks like some feature of completion. Really? My guess is instead that it comes from this explicit index entry (which I see in Emacs 24 but not 23): (I removed some whitespace.) * HOME: Moving Point. (line 57) That's from the Key Index. However, note that there are also these two entries in the Variable Index, which seem not to be used when I do `i home TAB': * HOME: General Variables. (line 59) * HOSTNAME: General Variables. (line 70) (Got this from an Emacs 24.4 build. I assume things are similar for more recent builds.) > > And we don't seem to have any entry currently for the env var (?). > > Shouldn't a user be able to find some info about it? > > `HOME environment variable', for example. >=20 > That's one of the 2 "HOME" entries. They belong to different indices, > so they are identical (and collapsed by completion into a single > completion candidate, I presume). Sorry, I don't know what you mean here. I'm guessing that you're saying something (?) about these entries (again, from Emacs 24.4): * HOME directory on MS-Windows: Windows HOME. (line 6) * home directory shorthand: Minibuffer File. (line 38) * HOME directory under MS-DOS: MS-DOS File Names. (line 35) >From what I see, the only explicit index entries that include `HOME' (capitalized) refer to the home directory, not to the key. So it seems to me that Emacs is not correctly dealing with its own index entries. It also seems that the Key Index somehow overrides the Variable Index (instead of being augmented by it), for completion. HTH. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 14 12:15:23 2015 Received: (at 20105) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2015 16:15:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46748 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWoih-0003an-EG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 12:15:23 -0400 Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:55892) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWoif-0003ad-3L for 20105@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 12:15:22 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NL700500LTEDX00@mtaout28.012.net.il> for 20105@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 18:13:51 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NL7005WPMF3Q810@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 18:13:51 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 18:15:10 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#20105: 25.0.50; Emacs manual, `i HOME RET' sends you to `Moving Point', which is wrong In-reply-to: <9fe72841-fa75-4bbe-bb92-c14e68e0cd7a@default> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83zj7f1rox.fsf@gnu.org> References: <265aed11-7056-45f2-afbf-1b5f8b3b0a05@default> <83egos2df6.fsf@gnu.org> <834mpn38iu.fsf@gnu.org> <9fe72841-fa75-4bbe-bb92-c14e68e0cd7a@default> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20105 Cc: 20105@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 08:59:29 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 20105@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Strange. I have no idea why you see only 2 candidates. I see all 4 > > in both the master and emacs-24 branch. > > I hear you. I don't know why. I'm on Windows 7 64-bit. Other than > that, I don't know what else I can add here. > > But see below. I do have those two missing candidates as explicit > entries in the manual indexes. It is completion that, for some reason, > fails to pick them up. I don't see how you get different behavior, if > we're both using `emacs -Q'. Yes, "emacs -Q" here. And it's not a surprise you have those missing candidates in the index, that's how I can see them ;-) Are you sure you did 'i home TAB' in the latest manual, though? > > > But why is `HOME' capitalized as a candidate if it points to info about > > > the key? > > > > Don't know. Looks like some feature of completion. > > Really? My guess is instead that it comes from this explicit index > entry (which I see in Emacs 24 but not 23): (I removed some whitespace.) > > * HOME: Moving Point. (line 57) By "feature" I meant that it replaces "home" which I typed by "HOME", for whatever reasons. The _only_ reason that I could accept as legitimate is if _all_ completion candidates started with an upper-case "HOME". But that's not what we have here. So it looks like some attempt at being smart is misfiring. > That's from the Key Index. However, note that there are also these > two entries in the Variable Index, which seem not to be used when > I do `i home TAB': > > * HOME: General Variables. (line 59) > * HOSTNAME: General Variables. (line 70) HOME _is_ used, except that completion removes duplicates (I guess). As for HOSTNAME -- why should it be used? I don't see it used here. > >From what I see, the only explicit index entries that include `HOME' > (capitalized) refer to the home directory, not to the key. No, the entry that revers to "Moving Point" is also capitalized. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 14 12:44:15 2015 Received: (at 20105) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2015 16:44:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46757 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWpAc-0004Hy-Id for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 12:44:15 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:25153) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWpAa-0004Hp-0s for 20105@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 12:44:12 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t2EGiAc3031503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Mar 2015 16:44:11 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2EGi9Bf000421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Mar 2015 16:44:09 GMT Received: from abhmp0007.oracle.com (abhmp0007.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t2EGi9sG028258; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 16:44:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1cf950ce-96bf-4a06-b104-581af13b6b74@default> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 09:44:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#20105: 25.0.50; Emacs manual, `i HOME RET' sends you to `Moving Point', which is wrong References: <<265aed11-7056-45f2-afbf-1b5f8b3b0a05@default>> <<83egos2df6.fsf@gnu.org>> <> <<834mpn38iu.fsf@gnu.org>> <<9fe72841-fa75-4bbe-bb92-c14e68e0cd7a@default>> <<83zj7f1rox.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83zj7f1rox.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20105 Cc: 20105@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Yes, "emacs -Q" here. And it's not a surprise you have those missing > candidates in the index, that's how I can see them ;-) >=20 > Are you sure you did 'i home TAB' in the latest manual, though? Yes, exactly that, in this build: In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-02-27 on LEG570 Repository revision: b2a590d4e3dc692a97c1b53e015b945d84b4b4c7 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --host=3Di686-pc-mingw32 --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs' > > > > But why is `HOME' capitalized as a candidate if it points to info > > > > about the key? > > > > > > Don't know. Looks like some feature of completion. > > > > Really? My guess is instead that it comes from this explicit index > > entry (which I see in Emacs 24 but not 23): (I removed some whitespace.= ) > > > > * HOME: Moving Point. (line 57) >=20 > By "feature" I meant that it replaces "home" which I typed by "HOME", > for whatever reasons. The _only_ reason that I could accept as > legitimate is if _all_ completion candidates started with an > upper-case "HOME". But that's not what we have here. So it looks > like some attempt at being smart is misfiring. Yes, I guess so. But I'm guessing that what happens might have to do with searching the indexes in order, where Key Index comes first. And in that index, `HOME' is the only entry matching input `home'. It is also the only matching entry in the Variable Index. > > That's from the Key Index. However, note that there are also these > > two entries in the Variable Index, which seem not to be used when > > I do `i home TAB': > > > > * HOME: General Variables. (line 59) > > * HOSTNAME: General Variables. (line 70) >=20 > HOME _is_ used, except that completion removes duplicates (I guess). I guess so too. That is a mistake. The calling function should decide whether completion should remove duplicates (IMHO). And in this case, it should not (IMHO). > As for HOSTNAME -- why should it be used? I don't see it used here. My bad for mentioning HOSTNAME. Might have been a copy&paste error. Or it might have reflected a senior moment. > > From what I see, the only explicit index entries that include `HOME' > > (capitalized) refer to the home directory, not to the key. >=20 > No, the entry that revers to "Moving Point" is also capitalized. Right. Do you agree that that is wrong? I doubt that that is the only problem here. But it would be a start, to fix that entry. It should be changed to something like `home keyboard key' or `home key (keyboard)', I think. (We might also want to add an entry for ` keyboard key'.) Also, I question whether the quote marks should be included in these two index entries: * 'HOME' directory on MS-Windows: Windows HOME. (line 6) * 'HOME' directory under MS-DOS: MS-DOS File Names. (line 35) Et voila: That's probably why typing `host' does not match either of these entries. And it's perhaps why it does work for you: the curly quotes are perhaps not present for you, in the indexes. --- Interestingly, copying and pasting those into this mail shows them as curly quotes, but in Info they appear to be straight. They are LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK etc. I guess it is the default Info font that makes them appear straight. But I thought that we had arranged to use the older makeinfo or whatever, and that Emacs was arranging to keep simple backtick and apostrophe in the produced Info buffers. No? I see now that Isearch for ` or ' fails miserably in Info, wrt finding such quoted names. This makes it hard for users who want to use keyboard keys ` and ' for searching. That's a clear regression in usefulness, IMHO. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 14 13:39:27 2015 Received: (at 20105) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2015 17:39:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46776 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWq22-0005uW-Hk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:39:27 -0400 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:52686) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWq1z-0005uJ-66 for 20105@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:39:24 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NL700000PYJ2U00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 20105@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:39:20 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NL7000SCQDK2Z10@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:39:20 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:39:10 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#20105: 25.0.50; Emacs manual, `i HOME RET' sends you to `Moving Point', which is wrong In-reply-to: <1cf950ce-96bf-4a06-b104-581af13b6b74@default> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83twxn1nsx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1cf950ce-96bf-4a06-b104-581af13b6b74@default> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20105 Cc: 20105@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 09:44:09 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 20105@debbugs.gnu.org > > (We might also want to add an entry for ` keyboard key'.) I changed the existing entry to say "HOME key". The other one now mentions it's an environment variable. > Also, I question whether the quote marks should be included in these > two index entries: > > * 'HOME' directory on MS-Windows: Windows HOME. (line 6) > * 'HOME' directory under MS-DOS: MS-DOS File Names. (line 35) > > Et voila: That's probably why typing `host' does not match either of > these entries. And it's perhaps why it does work for you: the curly > quotes are perhaps not present for you, in the indexes. Yes, I still use the old makeinfo to produce the manual, and this subtle difference seems to be one more incompatibility of the new versions. I fixed that. > Interestingly, copying and pasting those into this mail shows them > as curly quotes, but in Info they appear to be straight. They are > LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK etc. I guess it is the default Info font > that makes them appear straight. > > But I thought that we had arranged to use the older makeinfo or > whatever, and that Emacs was arranging to keep simple backtick and > apostrophe in the produced Info buffers. No? I see now that Isearch > for ` or ' fails miserably in Info, wrt finding such quoted names. > > This makes it hard for users who want to use keyboard keys ` and ' > for searching. That's a clear regression in usefulness, IMHO. I guess this is a question for Dani, who produced the files. I think the bug can now be closed. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 14 13:41:27 2015 Received: (at 20105) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2015 17:41:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46780 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWq3z-0005zg-BJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:41:27 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:35431) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWq3x-0005zU-AW for 20105@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:41:25 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t2EHfMkQ022122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:41:23 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2EHfMHU008889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:41:22 GMT Received: from abhmp0007.oracle.com (abhmp0007.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2EHfMF6029731; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:41:22 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5b27a533-e334-4de7-a72c-0638af15acbd@default> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 10:41:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#20105: 25.0.50; Emacs manual, `i HOME RET' sends you to `Moving Point', which is wrong References: <<265aed11-7056-45f2-afbf-1b5f8b3b0a05@default>> <<83egos2df6.fsf@gnu.org>> <> <<834mpn38iu.fsf@gnu.org>> <<9fe72841-fa75-4bbe-bb92-c14e68e0cd7a@default>> <<83zj7f1rox.fsf@gnu.org>> <1cf950ce-96bf-4a06-b104-581af13b6b74@default> In-Reply-To: <1cf950ce-96bf-4a06-b104-581af13b6b74@default> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20105 Cc: 20105@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > HOME _is_ used, except that completion removes duplicates (I guess). >=20 > I guess so too. That is a mistake. The calling function should > decide whether completion should remove duplicates (IMHO). And in > this case, it should not (IMHO). That is done here, in `Info-complete-menu-item': (setq completions (delete-dups completions)) Also, debugging a bit shows this, which returns "HOME". Debugger entered--entering a function: * try-completion("home" ("home directory shorthand" "HOME") nil) * complete-with-action(nil ("home directory shorthand" "HOME") "home" nil) And then (after a bit), it does this, which also returns "HOME": Debugger entered--entering a function: * try-completion("HOME" ("home directory shorthand" "HOME") nil) * complete-with-action(nil ("home directory shorthand" "HOME") "HOME" nil) Which leads to: Debugger entered--returning value: t completion--done("HOME" exact "Complete, but not unique") And a second `TAB' shows the candidates in *Completions*: Possible completions are: HOME home directory shorthand From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 14 13:44:10 2015 Received: (at 20105) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2015 17:44:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46787 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWq6c-00066h-Av for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:44:10 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:35791) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWq6a-00066Z-CK for 20105@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:44:08 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t2EHi7Hb023826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:44:07 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t2EHi6Ta004839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:44:07 GMT Received: from abhmp0007.oracle.com (abhmp0007.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2EHi6Rx030401; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:44:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <24d4521d-d98f-458b-850f-7e96a1132c72@default> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 10:44:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#20105: 25.0.50; Emacs manual, `i HOME RET' sends you to `Moving Point', which is wrong References: <<1cf950ce-96bf-4a06-b104-581af13b6b74@default>> <<83twxn1nsx.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83twxn1nsx.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20105 Cc: 20105@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > (We might also want to add an entry for ` keyboard key'.) >=20 > I changed the existing entry to say "HOME key". The other one now > mentions it's an environment variable. Thx. > > Et voila: That's probably why typing `host' does not match either of > > these entries. And it's perhaps why it does work for you: the curly > > quotes are perhaps not present for you, in the indexes. >=20 > Yes, I still use the old makeinfo to produce the manual, and this > subtle difference seems to be one more incompatibility of the new > versions. I fixed that. Thx. > I think the bug can now be closed. Done. Thx. 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