From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 10 23:04:18 2015 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Mar 2015 03:04:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42120 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YVWwT-0005ne-KE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 23:04:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49344) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YVWRF-0004zQ-T5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:32:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVWR9-0003Db-Sd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:31:56 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:45908) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVWR9-0003DV-PD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:31:55 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51049) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVWR8-0008K1-MY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:31:55 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVWR7-0003Cq-Hc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:31:54 -0400 Received: from mail-ie0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::233]:34011) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVWR7-0003CT-Cj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:31:53 -0400 Received: by iecsl2 with SMTP id sl2so6627051iec.1 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 19:31:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iyOrIYqqoxRZCbAakKGkU2gFOcOUQ0rm2ZLhOkXAveM=; b=NwlcJ+pFvQOofJz1lCGepUEzKWVI3i83vUDkAkrtvXpmcORHaUySQk0UMELfB4YB0y wvEqqesZbj9YzR/9aGFHnN/CBAQjoketyP0dh2w+yVvcqTYHMJUZ7FhaOYWkoEtXDFQZ 8xTQ2xfnYAtMC84PwqCt+b4ItcOcVEPbSp23fGPz7sA0kuS3/lFLSgMD+dcSZTpGNOBO r39T4aOMjI+nc+eKBEexSvaq1/4omknHFrFC19Ktlozt0e0AVHWmwi7OKMLV3f42ZKrp dPjpIzLbcaxFpUkGH2UtZMGvxrYbAHrZK94ZEhAcRYg0W9S+4Oxuj5fNTDPcaAm6P5w6 pdPA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.194.77 with SMTP id dx13mr38371071icb.34.1426041111143; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 19:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.159.198 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 19:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 19:31:51 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: imap with openssl From: William F Hammond To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf301d3a12dd697e0510fa11a8 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 23:04:14 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) --20cf301d3a12dd697e0510fa11a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I've been using imap with openssl happily for about 15 years. Recently it stopped working with a very well-known mail host. A friend who is usually on top of these things tells me that there is a vulnerability named "poodle" when using the -ssl3 option of openssl s_client and one should now have at the top of the list imap-ssl-program (in imap.el) the following: "openssl s_client -quiet -tls1 -connect %s:%p" He hastens to point out that the option -tls1 does not mean that one is using tls rather than ssl -- a statement that means little to me. Meanwhile, without the latest imap.el one can patch this easily enough in .gnus by cons-ing the new string into imap-ssl-program AFTER manually loading imap. -- William F Hammond Email: gellmu@gmail.com https://www.facebook.com/william.f.hammond http://www.albany.edu/~hammond --20cf301d3a12dd697e0510fa11a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been using imap with openssl happi= ly for about 15 years.

Recently it stopped working with a very= well-known mail host.=C2=A0 A friend who is usually on top of these things= tells me that there is a vulnerability named "poodle" when using= the -ssl3 option of openssl s_client and one should now have at the top of= the list
imap-ssl-program (in imap.el) the following:

=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "openssl s_client -quiet= -tls1 -connect %s:%p"

He hastens to point out that the o= ption -tls1 does not mean that one is using tls rather than ssl -- a statem= ent that means little to me.

Meanwhile, without the = latest imap.el one can patch this easily enough in .gnus by cons-ing the ne= w string into imap-ssl-program AFTER manually loading imap.
--20cf301d3a12dd697e0510fa11a8-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 11 13:33:16 2015 Received: (at 20078) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Mar 2015 17:33:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43053 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YVkVQ-0004zp-4N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:33:16 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:58111 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YVkVN-0004zc-Fx for 20078@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:33:14 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVkVK-0007Nq-RS; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:33:10 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: William F Hammond Subject: Re: bug#20078: imap with openssl References: X-Spook: industrial espionage USCODE Kh-11 Juiliett Class X-Ran: !7?7[H_)Yq@-jszFMMrfv(*@nbMn:!]0%wBGno^[C\/*/\PwJLO&C8'O2:XgLT2Q=Hq,C7 X-Hue: black X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:33:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: (William F. Hammond's message of "Tue, 10 Mar 2015 19:31:51 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20078 Cc: 20078@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Thanks for the report. I think basically what you are talking about is the same as https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766397 which was forwarded to emacs-devel, which is a great way to ensure things get lost, so it's good to have an actual bug report for it now. The discussion is here, but AFAICS nothing actually happened: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-10/msg00803.html From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 11 13:33:38 2015 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Mar 2015 17:33:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43056 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YVkVl-00050Q-PH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:33:37 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:58124 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YVkVj-00050I-Py for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:33:36 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVkVi-00084O-U6 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:33:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:33:34 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 20078 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) severity 20078 important tag 20078 security From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 11 13:34:44 2015 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 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Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.159.198 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:47:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:47:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#20078: imap with openssl From: William F Hammond To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140375c7acaf6051107b173 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20078 Cc: 20078@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a1140375c7acaf6051107b173 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Glenn Morris wrote: > > Thanks for the report. > I think basically what you are talking about is the same as > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766397 > > which was forwarded to emacs-devel, which is a great way to ensure > things get lost, so it's good to have an actual bug report for it now. > > The discussion is here, but AFAICS nothing actually happened: > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-10/msg00803.html > Debian is not really the place to talk about this kind of issue for emacs/gnus. But I note in the Debian thread that Richard Stallman, based on his reading, made the same point about avoiding the options ssl3 and ssl2 with s_client though he did not ask for the abandonment of s_client or of imap.el. There's discussion in those threads about whether 'anyone' still uses imap.el and its calls to external openssl. It arises, for example, when using mail-sources with, say, nnmbox. My 'crisis' arose in a sun/solaris system where neither starttls nor gnutls is available. It seems that starttls is now no longer maintained (for cause) and, in my case, gnutls is not easy to build from source because of recursive library dependencies. But openssl is available. Would it make sense for emacs to incorporate gnutls? That way one could be sure for a given build of emacs that it would work with gnutls. -- William F Hammond Email: gellmu@gmail.com https://www.facebook.com/william.f.hammond http://www.albany.edu/~hammond/ --001a1140375c7acaf6051107b173 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:

Thanks for the report.
I think basically what you are talking about is the same as

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D766397

which was forwarded to emacs-devel, which is a great way to ensure
things get lost, so it's good to have an actual bug report for it now.<= br>
The discussion is here, but AFAICS nothing actually happened:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-1= 0/msg00803.html

Debian is not reall= y the place to talk about this kind of issue for emacs/gnus.

But I note in the Debian thread that Richard Stal= lman, based on his reading, made the same point about avoiding the options = ssl3 and ssl2 with s_client though he did not ask for the abandonment of s_= client or of imap.el.

There's discussion in those threads about whether &= #39;anyone' still uses imap.el and its calls to external openssl.=C2=A0= It arises, for example, when using mail-sources with, say, nnmbox.

My 'c= risis' arose in a sun/solaris system where neither starttls nor gnutls = is available.=C2=A0 It seems that starttls is now no longer maintained (for= cause) and, in my case, gnutls is not easy to build from source because of= recursive library dependencies.=C2=A0 But openssl is available.
<= div class=3D"gmail_extra">
Would it mak= e sense for emacs to incorporate gnutls?=C2=A0 That way one could be sure f= or a given build of emacs that it would work with gnutls.
--001a1140375c7acaf6051107b173-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 11 14:59:41 2015 Received: (at 20078) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Mar 2015 18:59:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43133 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YVlr3-0000Ni-7O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 14:59:41 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:33029 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YVlr2-0000Na-49 for 20078@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 14:59:40 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVlr0-0005CV-Vt; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 14:59:39 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: William F Hammond Subject: Re: bug#20078: imap with openssl References: X-Spook: Comirex AIMSX Jyllandsposten Indigo United Nations X-Ran: K!y%NHze{;HA&DuJ.NU!sD1~W-0B;[_SPtU*@:W\T.7x6b[b83O7i?jPd%.NS9G (William F. Hammond's message of "Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:47:03 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20078 Cc: 20078@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) William F Hammond wrote: > Would it make sense for emacs to incorporate gnutls? You mean, bundle it? No, bundling libraries is terrible eg wrt security updates. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 12 10:24:15 2015 Received: (at 20078) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2015 14:24:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44046 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YW422-0007jt-SM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:24:15 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:30521) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YW421-0007jf-4Q for 20078@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:24:13 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArsTAPOG1lRFpZs2/2dsb2JhbABbgwaDX4VTwGUEAgKBDUQBAQEBAQF8hA0BBAFWIwULCzQSFBgNJIg4CM4jAQEBAQYBAQEBHo8nAQFPB4QqBalygUUihAoigTyBNwEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: ArsTAPOG1lRFpZs2/2dsb2JhbABbgwaDX4VTwGUEAgKBDUQBAQEBAQF8hA0BBAFWIwULCzQSFBgNJIg4CM4jAQEBAQYBAQEBHo8nAQFPB4QqBalygUUihAoigTyBNwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,536,1418101200"; d="scan'208";a="113373942" Received: from 69-165-155-54.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.155.54]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 12 Mar 2015 10:24:07 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 5E2372092; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:24:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: William F Hammond Subject: Re: bug#20078: imap with openssl Message-ID: References: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:24:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: (William F. Hammond's message of "Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:47:03 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20078 Cc: Glenn Morris , 20078@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > There's discussion in those threads about whether 'anyone' still uses > imap.el and its calls to external openssl. It arises, for example, when > using mail-sources with, say, nnmbox. I consider imap.el's use of an external process to be a bug. > My 'crisis' arose in a sun/solaris system where neither starttls nor gnutls > is available. It seems that starttls is now no longer maintained (for > cause) and, in my case, gnutls is not easy to build from source because of > recursive library dependencies. Hmm... we're definitely moving in the direction of requiring libgnutls when building Emacs. > Would it make sense for emacs to incorporate gnutls? No, there be dragons. > That way one could be sure for a given build of emacs that it would > work with gnutls. That would just mean that you wouldn't be able to build Emacs without first solving the "recursive library dependencies". But yes, I encourage you to try and solve these gnutls build problems, Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 25 16:12:42 2015 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2015 20:12:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58756 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZJ5oH-0001FM-VQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 16:12:42 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35123) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZJ5oG-0001FE-5r for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 16:12:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZJ5oF-0007Rq-8A for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 16:12:39 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48785) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZJ5oF-0007Rm-5z for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 16:12:39 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZJ5oE-0006jg-VF for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 16:12:39 -0400 Subject: control message for bug 21134 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 16:12:38 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) forcemerge 20078 21134 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 26 15:49:19 2015 Received: (at 20078) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Dec 2015 20:49:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42177 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCvmB-0008A3-2L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:49:19 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:41351) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCvm8-00089u-U2 for 20078@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:49:18 -0500 Received: from 2.150.58.24.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.150.58.24] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aCvlm-0004tK-3u; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 21:48:54 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#20078: imap with openssl References: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 21:48:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:24:07 -0400") Message-ID: <87ege9q6kq.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1aCvlm-0004tK-3u X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1451767734.2704@R1JxDupaieYnkQ0JIVX0bg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20078 Cc: William F Hammond , 20078@debbugs.gnu.org, Glenn Morris X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Stefan Monnier writes: >> There's discussion in those threads about whether 'anyone' still uses >> imap.el and its calls to external openssl. It arises, for example, when >> using mail-sources with, say, nnmbox. > > I consider imap.el's use of an external process to be a bug. I've now changed imap.el to use open-network-stream and removed all the variables specifying gnutls-cli etc. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 26 15:49:22 2015 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Dec 2015 20:49:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42180 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCvmE-0008AJ-8J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:49:22 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:41358) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCvmD-0008AC-5v for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:49:21 -0500 Received: from 2.150.58.24.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.150.58.24] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aCvlr-0004tT-IL for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 21:48:59 +0100 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 21:48:58 +0100 Message-Id: <87d1ttq6kl.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #20078 X-MailScanner-ID: 1aCvlr-0004tT-IL X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1451767740.02126@U13y/AUBxj3yHOVaOYwK/Q X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) close 20078 25.1 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 26 16:46:57 2015 Received: (at 20078) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Dec 2015 21:46:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42243 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCwfw-0004P2-PP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:46:56 -0500 Received: from mail-io0-f176.google.com ([209.85.223.176]:36473) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCwft-0004Oo-TS for 20078@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:46:55 -0500 Received: by mail-io0-f176.google.com with SMTP id o67so279219332iof.3 for <20078@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:46:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=KMC+JIgR5kw3dQx/d0kBWZFs8lyGl6FMRJrmugSUUdM=; b=j4UZxS8PKfysxnnyDpgSNtnWVsx/+O7RRoKbNvkBlmcK+XUeR+ipFg8fMcFUDcqg0F L93LC0NmDEITp6dFB4okBVPMku9NwmAnikraPFdzqUoWG2K3/0goy7APmsvKPPXSMFHR 0fEkyqAXVNvwS4CCICBJK7lgkr1gVntVK+wI7sNo3RE5qvkPM+mVHgrfh5U6OlpRUSyb gZ2Fa4jTlYGxxUosc37V8vYkYlglCK5YvBFB2qACQVTFXy4gtEyNG0ORU5NUUcJy4lXt Vv8JQJEAIMTZmgPqwPOXnVfQ7OBXM4IB2tBRakchgZIaf1aq14WkReSVrjYl+iSU+5C6 R2iQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.25.145 with SMTP id 139mr8953173ioz.89.1451166408378; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:46:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.79.33.206 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:46:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87ege9q6kq.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87ege9q6kq.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:46:48 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#20078: imap with openssl From: William F Hammond To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113fd3e2480f9c0527d40275 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20078 Cc: Glenn Morris , 20078@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a113fd3e2480f9c0527d40275 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > I've now changed imap.el to use open-network-stream and removed all the > variables specifying gnutls-cli etc. > Thanks. Do you have any guess as to when, e.g., year or emacs version, this will find its way into the version of gnus included with GNU Emacs? -- Bill -- William F Hammond Email: gellmu@gmail.com https://www.facebook.com/william.f.hammond http://www.albany.edu/~hammond/ --001a113fd3e2480f9c0527d40275 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Lars Ingebrigtsen <<= a href=3D"mailto:larsi@gnus.org" target=3D"_blank">larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
I've now changed imap.el to use open-netwo= rk-stream and removed all the
variables specifying gnutls-cli etc.

Thanks.

Do y= ou have any guess as to when, e.g., year or emacs version, this will find i= ts way into the version of gnus included with GNU Emacs?

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--001a113fd3e2480f9c0527d40275-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 26 16:53:45 2015 Received: (at 20078) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Dec 2015 21:53:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42252 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCwmW-0004Yn-OG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:53:44 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:59697) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aCwmU-0004Yf-S5 for 20078@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:53:43 -0500 Received: from 2.150.58.24.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.150.58.24] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aCwm5-0005YK-IZ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 22:53:17 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: William F Hammond Subject: Re: bug#20078: imap with openssl References: <87ege9q6kq.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 22:53:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: (William F. Hammond's message of "Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:46:48 -0800") Message-ID: <87mvswop0z.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1aCwm5-0005YK-IZ X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1451771599.48189@ilcg5EfriBKTv9CoGEuWKA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20078 Cc: Glenn Morris , 20078@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) William F Hammond writes: > Do you have any guess as to when, e.g., year or emacs version, this will find > its way into the version of gnus included with GNU Emacs? It's already in GNU Emacs. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:43:57 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 12:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator