From unknown Mon Jun 23 14:55:34 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#20073 <20073@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#20073 <20073@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)" Reply-To: bug#20073 <20073@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 21:55:34 +0000 retitle 20073 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to l= owercase)" reassign 20073 emacs submitter 20073 Emanuel Berg severity 20073 minor tag 20073 notabug thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 10 14:45:49 2015 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Mar 2015 18:45:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41916 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YVPA4-0007Ss-PG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 14:45:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42020) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YVPA1-0007Sc-03 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Tue, 10 Mar 2015 19:45:26 +0100 (CET) From: Emanuel Berg To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)" Mail-Copies-To: never Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 19:49:10 +0100 Message-ID: <87y4n4g02h.fsf@debian.uxu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: outbound, outbound-uu-se:default, uu-se:default, base:default, @@RPTN) X-p0f-Info: os=Linux 2.6.x, link=Ethernet or modem X-CanIt-Geo: ip=130.243.137.66; country=SE; region=Uppsala; city=Uppsala; latitude=59.8500; longitude=17.6333; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=59.8500,17.6333&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outbound-uu-se:outbound (inherits from outbound-uu-se:default, uu-se:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 09O1SJrFA - 2f6bc76b262d - 20150310 X-Antispam-Training-Forget: https://mailfilter.sunet.se/canit/b.php?i=09O1SJrFA&m=2f6bc76b262d&t=20150310&c=f X-Antispam-Training-Nonspam: https://mailfilter.sunet.se/canit/b.php?i=09O1SJrFA&m=2f6bc76b262d&t=20150310&c=n X-Antispam-Training-Spam: https://mailfilter.sunet.se/canit/b.php?i=09O1SJrFA&m=2f6bc76b262d&t=20150310&c=s X-CanIt-Archive-Cluster: PfMRe/vJWMiXwM2YIH5BVExnUnw Received-SPF: neutral (e-mailfilter01.sunet.se: 130.243.137.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain embe8573@student.uu.se) receiver=e-mailfilter01.sunet.se; 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X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) If point is at the title field of a BibTeX techreport entry, the echo area says "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)". (It does so even if the title is in lowercase.) What does this refer to? Is it /usr/bin/bibtex.original that does that? For example with /usr/bin/biber, there is no such transformation and the PDF end result (e.g., with xelatex) is true to the case sensitiveness of the .bib file. 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2 Aug 2019 12:48:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56029 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htWzM-0000zY-4h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 08:48:52 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:58276) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1htWzJ-0000zP-KN for 20073@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 08:48:51 -0400 Received: from 77.18.62.220.tmi.telenormobil.no ([77.18.62.220] helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1htWzG-00024J-JN for 20073@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Aug 2019 14:48:48 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: 20073@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#20073: 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)" References: <87y4n4g02h.fsf@debian.uxu> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 14:48:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87y4n4g02h.fsf@debian.uxu> (Emanuel Berg's message of "Tue, 10 Mar 2015 19:49:10 +0100") Message-ID: <871ry3ravm.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Emanuel Berg writes: > If point is at the title field of a BibTeX techreport > entry, the echo area says "Title of the technical > report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)". (It does so > even if the title is in lowercase [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20073 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Emanuel Berg writes: > If point is at the title field of a BibTeX techreport > entry, the echo area says "Title of the technical > report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)". (It does so > even if the title is in lowercase.) What does this > refer to? Is it /usr/bin/bibtex.original that does > that? For example with /usr/bin/biber, there is no > such transformation and the PDF end result (e.g., with > xelatex) is true to the case sensitiveness of the .bib > file. (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately have not received any responses yet.) Do you have an example .bib file that displays this behaviour? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 29 20:50:11 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2019 00:50:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56283 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEjtD-0001FE-AJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 20:50:11 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f170.google.com ([209.85.215.170]:41612) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEjt5-0001EQ-VG for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 20:50:04 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f170.google.com with SMTP id s1so6384444pgv.8 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 17:50:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=k91SfyrdBglZIl4EkNSSP7BDs2ksRFqtfIhsNYoP+nY=; b=LdDk0nS0HULseNtOXOQXdAcMHIr9PdAKQRCINqRT23A64xbfAY5gbnU+uYQIfvF4Th sgqaeXr4jI6EE6WBMb1OkPxkVjiDjFDhlUu0SmqsWn5GvYhIByp2n2qb1kjEHDl+BJh5 TV7ELrBM/thzTsEyLhdaH0pwWY8ouxGr8vdln7v9owPIcJ8uS+76v4iK44kOM/8bm3nv Bq90IJZ/737LuwEQl/WNPgzclKDg0MdzA3HE6B+faNWFaBTZ0BMdoHbBLN7i8x1tRvec qHZH4v0PC9Kf7BpBsuJx7cvT1yZxzT8pj79IHhxAtXpVU+1+dqdMoE8wZ6+Sab1/szyj pntQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWkeLvIiRPFXmMvE/6jTAtEZYIFnwaQz2vQPgaogbmL646lPcqL vsamMd0SoWdFekH6Zzt0F7feOUr8Sg4qZu8f/CDi71Tx X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw6Kzrr0/CR0GLiQl4O/yuVF1dOi19IKNbKW/il4N2T6fVMl/Qrll1+znn8lgd1w5OhpGzLXi7Ht71apCB1A2A= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:8009:: with SMTP id j9mr18015252pfi.107.1569804597892; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 17:49:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 02:49:47 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 20073 + moreinfo thanks Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (stefankangas[at]gmail.com) -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.215.170 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN 2nd level domains in From and EnvelopeFrom freemail headers are different 2.0 BLANK_SUBJECT Subject is present but empty X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) tags 20073 + moreinfo thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 21 07:02:59 2019 Received: (at 20073) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2019 12:02:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51457 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iXlAn-0000Jb-QC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 07:02:58 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:33150) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iXlAm-0000F0-5s for 20073@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 07:02:56 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=3hhcpDAIFLpsva1xl1aIyB3WYd+/aOUxgmSHVcKfVwg=; b=eL7uR+mBX/FVXBzvmLMPH+jbv3 6Up/6B5Gi0QOu31bgMbfN4R+Duf66H2/a831KB9PrNUZFWgHGr9hfw25uyLuNjki8UvpXQQSIIqDM 8qrKD4tbWBeSZLXnybLCMdl9aOiW2lPab38qFEJR/uRTZgRGUisNtMT0WqUMrSZqPwH02swt1vFE8 Y1a0C+iD6+1iW4JQbd6Ep7yiFio2u/JRoI8xkfQeJc5xM2aeaEt6Efp8rDM1c+Qc6uiIUtonCavAW Qxf2RB2FzDCxc/FPGdipUTNnbHRSAaHelZuWHoYk5d+pcxVaWGtbjeDaWYlfyyeAmNg5+MkvFax7B wDm2KD6g==; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:52366 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iXlAf-001uiR-Vb; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 07:02:50 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#20073: 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)" In-Reply-To: <871ry3ravm.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 02 Aug 2019 14:48:45 +0200") References: <87y4n4g02h.fsf@debian.uxu> <871ry3ravm.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:02:48 +0100 Message-ID: <87ftihl9nb.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20073 Cc: Emanuel Berg , 20073@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Emanuel Berg writes: > >> If point is at the title field of a BibTeX techreport >> entry, the echo area says "Title of the technical >> report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)". (It does so >> even if the title is in lowercase.) What does this >> refer to? Is it /usr/bin/bibtex.original that does >> that? For example with /usr/bin/biber, there is no >> such transformation and the PDF end result (e.g., with >> xelatex) is true to the case sensitiveness of the .bib >> file. > > (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately have not received > any responses yet.) > > Do you have an example .bib file that displays this behaviour? A request for more information sent in August, but I noticed that the reporters e-mail was not included in the reply. Could you provide the information Lars asked for above, Emanuel? Thanks in advance. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 31 05:27:09 2019 Received: (at 20073) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Dec 2019 10:27:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33746 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imEk0-0000LM-VI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 05:27:09 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:37356) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1imEjy-0000Ki-Mz; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 05:27:07 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=j/dzfQtoVfjgLGYgtPJmfOOS5Mvl0FTPTJWvgfgUsZs=; b=NVPUzDNeQDHHbXavi6xfDvGpWC wl9fiKWeO0qFdKwpASWNswycFUotQ/HJFgPkkb44Iin/6Hmy4iG8nNZAaPjGXoqmY3lbUwQgFXoPA Chk6A2oO7IG79Qxf14O5ZM5iQq7jxj2xtY6Zw4VCbJrLJelfk4Uhz5ZR57MEEGQKyoWzGDmviekh/ evvVMpcxpgqFY/R6vLoUlY3t9a9MvQhixgdLE/b6QuoyhXxibQwqS01RHz0z3SeklCWPyirLND6bT 3nQWtvrDZnB+MkAaGj7KT4M3Aaoc8s013DaVpY6p1r1tS2z3TRxn1stbZVaR4/Nz3ivdWkhXYujnP BNV7Q4DA==; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:40908 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1imEjr-001gnI-Sm; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 05:27:00 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#20073: 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)" In-Reply-To: <87ftihl9nb.fsf@marxist.se> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:02:48 +0100") References: <87y4n4g02h.fsf@debian.uxu> <871ry3ravm.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87ftihl9nb.fsf@marxist.se> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 11:26:57 +0100 Message-ID: <871rskdc3y.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20073 Cc: Emanuel Berg , 20073@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 20073 + unreproducible close 20073 thanks Stefan Kangas writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> Emanuel Berg writes: >> >>> If point is at the title field of a BibTeX techreport >>> entry, the echo area says "Title of the technical >>> report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)". (It does so >>> even if the title is in lowercase.) What does this >>> refer to? Is it /usr/bin/bibtex.original that does >>> that? For example with /usr/bin/biber, there is no >>> such transformation and the PDF end result (e.g., with >>> xelatex) is true to the case sensitiveness of the .bib >>> file. >> >> (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately have not received >> any responses yet.) >> >> Do you have an example .bib file that displays this behaviour? > > A request for more information sent in August, but I noticed that the > reporters e-mail was not included in the reply. > > Could you provide the information Lars asked for above, Emanuel? More information was requested, but none was given within 5 weeks, so I'm closing this bug. If this is still an issue, please reply to this email (use "Reply to all" in your email client) and we can reopen the bug report. 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Contovounesios" To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#20073: 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)" References: <87y4n4g02h.fsf@debian.uxu> <871ry3ravm.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 22:20:23 +0000 In-Reply-To: <871ry3ravm.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 02 Aug 2019 14:48:45 +0200") Message-ID: <87r1kl9vtk.fsf@tcd.ie> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20073 Cc: Roland Winkler , 20073@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Emanuel Berg writes: > >> If point is at the title field of a BibTeX techreport >> entry, the echo area says "Title of the technical >> report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)". (It does so >> even if the title is in lowercase.) What does this >> refer to? Is it /usr/bin/bibtex.original that does >> that? For example with /usr/bin/biber, there is no >> such transformation and the PDF end result (e.g., with >> xelatex) is true to the case sensitiveness of the .bib >> file. > > Do you have an example .bib file that displays this behaviour? 0. emacs -Q 1. C-x h DEL 2. M-x bibtex-mode RET 3. C-c C-b TechReport RET C-j Echo area reports "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)". You can also type 'C-c ?' to get the corresponding help string for the current field. These help strings have been with bibtex.el since the early 90s, but I'm not sure what they refer to. Maybe Roland (CCed) does? Thanks, -- Basil From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 12 13:01:22 2021 Received: (at 20073) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2021 18:01:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58293 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lKm6D-0002Ay-9q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:01:22 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50746) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lKm6B-0002Am-Eg for 20073@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:01:20 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59302) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lKm65-00086f-GW; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:01:13 -0500 Received: from [2602:30a:2e52:d720:65b7:1416:12e7:8bfb] (port=46350 helo=regnitz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lKm62-0000bE-3m; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:01:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <44132.56642.501212.24651@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 12:01:08 -0600 From: "Roland Winkler" To: "Basil L. Contovounesios" Subject: Re: bug#20073: 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)" In-Reply-To: <87r1kl9vtk.fsf@tcd.ie> References: <87y4n4g02h.fsf@debian.uxu> <871ry3ravm.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87r1kl9vtk.fsf@tcd.ie> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20073 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 20073@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Thu Mar 11 2021 Basil L. Contovounesios wrote: > Echo area reports "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts > it to lowercase)". [snip] > These help strings have been with bibtex.el since the early 90s, > but I'm not sure what they refer to. Maybe Roland (CCed) does? Yes, these help strings refer to the fact that old-fashioned BibTeX converts all words appearing in a title string to lowercase (with a few exceptions). This applies not only to technical reports, but also, say, to the title of journal articles. Also, this is current behavior of BibTeX with a number of BibTeX style files I am using for my own work. (Title words enclosed by braces are not converted to lowercase, that's what bibtex-field-braces-alist is intended for.) All this is original old-fashioned BibTeX. I do not know much about its modern successor biblatex (beyond what people tell me). But it seems to me it would make sense that bibtex-mode's help does not talk about conversion to lowercase if one is using biblatex. 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Contovounesios" To: "Roland Winkler" Subject: Re: bug#20073: 24.4; "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts it to lowercase)" References: <87y4n4g02h.fsf@debian.uxu> <871ry3ravm.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87r1kl9vtk.fsf@tcd.ie> <44132.56642.501212.24651@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 18:11:35 +0000 In-Reply-To: <44132.56642.501212.24651@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (Roland Winkler's message of "Fri, 12 Mar 2021 12:01:08 -0600") Message-ID: <877dmcdyy0.fsf@tcd.ie> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 20073 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 20073@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 20073 - moreinfo unreproducible tags 20073 + notabug quit "Roland Winkler" writes: > On Thu Mar 11 2021 Basil L. Contovounesios wrote: >> Echo area reports "Title of the technical report (BibTeX converts >> it to lowercase)". > [snip] >> These help strings have been with bibtex.el since the early 90s, >> but I'm not sure what they refer to. Maybe Roland (CCed) does? > > Yes, these help strings refer to the fact that old-fashioned BibTeX > converts all words appearing in a title string to lowercase (with a > few exceptions). This applies not only to technical reports, but > also, say, to the title of journal articles. Also, this is current > behavior of BibTeX with a number of BibTeX style files I am using > for my own work. (Title words enclosed by braces are not converted > to lowercase, that's what bibtex-field-braces-alist is intended for.) Makes sense, thanks for enlightening us. > All this is original old-fashioned BibTeX. I do not know much about > its modern successor biblatex (beyond what people tell me). But it > seems to me it would make sense that bibtex-mode's help does not > talk about conversion to lowercase if one is using biblatex. These strings are present only in bibtex-BibTeX-entry-alist, not bibtex-biblatex-entry-alist, so I think we're fine. -- Basil From unknown Mon Jun 23 14:55:34 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 11:24:08 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator