Package: emacs;
Reported by: Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse <at> ilyaz.org>
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 16:48:01 UTC
Severity: minor
Found in version 25.0.50
Done: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net>
Bug is archived. No further changes may be made.
Message #32 received at 19989 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Ilya Zakharevich <ilya <at> math.berkeley.edu> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> Cc: 19989 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#19989: 25.0.50; Build instructions on Windows Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 01:46:36 -0800
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 10:29:12AM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > > > FWIW, the 2nd issue sounds to me like an installation mistake of some > > > > > > kind (did you install MinGW inside the MSYS tree, by chance?). > > > > > > > > How would I know? > > > > > > You could look at the directory hierarchy that got created. > > > > *This* I did — and I reported the result in my initial message (quoted > > below). This does not answer your question. > > It doesn't answer the question, indeed, because you didn't say where > MinGW programs are, only what PATH you see in the MSYS shell window. I think I did. What makes you think I did not? See > > > > The result: > > > > FOO/bin - contains gcc executables etc > > > > FOO/msys/1.0/ - contains msys > > > > FOO/msys/1.0/bin - contains msys executables Additionally relevant: > And the PATH you reported was not exactly what you saw, AFAIU, at > least that's what follows from the "(essentially) > FOO/msys/1.0/mingw/bin" part. The PATH I saw was .:/usr/local/bin:/mingw/bin:/bin:/usr/bin .:/usr/local/bin:/mingw/bin:/bin:/usr/gnu/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:. (depending on settings of PATH before starting `bash --login'; and the dependence is NOT increasing! The latter is with empty PATH at start, the former is with [essentially] /bin at start). > > > > I just ran mingw-get (as described), and set > > > > install directory ( = FOO) once. > > > > > > Did you select the same install directory for MinGW and for MSYS? > > > > AFAIR, there was no “install directory ‘for”’. Only “install directory”. > > I'm asking if they share the same directory tree. Can you show the > entire tree, e.g. by running 'find -type d'? Appended. > > > But then there's no problem, because missing directories on PATH do no > > > harm. > > > > Of course they do. configure did not work (since the gcc found on > > path was not MINGW one). > > So that's the problem: you installed the MSYS GCC (and probably the > whole MSYS development environment), something one shouldn't do for > building MinGW programs. The MSYS GCC and development environment is > for developing MSYS programs, like the MSYS Bash etc. -- you don't > want and don't need that. Are we again following the same loop?! Let me repeat it: stop pretending that I *installed* anything. Think about it this way: I just followed instructions in nt/INSTALL. > > > The binaries are in /bin, and it is on PATH, so there should be > > > no problem; there isn't one in my installation. > > > > Are you joking?! What do you think is a reason for filing bug > > reports? I followed instructions, AND GOT PROBLEMS! > > Well, now I at least understand the reason for your problems: an extra > development environment that gets in your way. I didn't understand > that before, sorry for being too stupid. Do not think so. This was just a secondary problem, which I even did not mention in my initial bug report. The main problem is that the mingw development environment is not available when one follows the instructions in nt/INSTALL. One needs to manually install an extra package, AND make a symlink to make it working. > > Thanks! But did I ask for that? This is a bug report, not a cry for > > help. > > I don't think it's a bug report about Emacs. Your development > environment was botched (and maybe still is, if you didn't uninstall > the MSYS GCC). If you think so, then you are wrong. > > > > BTW: you reminded me: there is another bug in Emacs build — this one > > > > purely in Emacs. My default PATH accesses a complete cygwin > > > > installation > > > > > How does Cygwin enter this equation? Do you have both Cygwin and > > > MinGW/MSYS installed? > > > > I have tens of environment installed. cygwin is on PATH. > > I suggest to remove it. Hmm, looks like you forgot what was written in the part you trimmed away. As I said, starting with an empty PATH fixes things. > > > My advice is to have MSYS in separate tree from MinGW, > > > > Is this advice in nt/INSTALL? > > Yes: > > MSYS packages should be installed in a separate tree from MinGW. > For example, use D:\MSYS or D:\usr\MSYS as the top-level directory > from which you unpack all of the MSYS packages. Irrelevant. I did not unpack anything. You are quoting a different section. > Do NOT add the MSYS bin directory to your Windows Path! Only the > MinGW bin directory should be on Path. When you install MSYS, it > creates a shortcut on your desktop that invokes the MSYS Bash shell > in a Command Prompt window; that shell is already set up so that the > MSYS bin directory is on PATH ahead of any other directory. Thus, > Bash will find MSYS executables first, which is exactly what you > need. I have no idea what you are talking about. (I won’t let unknown programs touch my desktop.) I was starting bash as set path=K:\get\emacs-build\mingw-get\msys\1.0\bin&& bash --login This sets PATH as in the first example above. (The second one is with the empty PATH. Same difference!) > > It was not in *MY* $PATH. It was in the $PATH created by /etc/profile > > which was created following instructions in nt/INSTALL. > > /etc/profile just takes your PATH and prepends a few directories to > it, that's all. Are we again going along this loop? How the user following instructions in nt/INSTALL would know this? > > > It is next to impossible to have > > > the Posix configure scripts distinguish between foo.exe or foo.h that > > > are for Cygwin and their namesakes for MinGW. > > > > For foo.exe — one does not care. For foo.h — one compiles and runs a > > simple program. > > See above: you forget the DLLs, for which Windows has quite a > convoluted search algorithm. How do I forget it? If the program runs, headers are fine. > The other part is Cygwin; if you want to keep it on PATH, and you know > what you are doing, fine. It's not the job of nt/INSTALL to tell > users how to configure their systems to avoid future trouble. It IS its job to give instructions how to compile Emacs, is not it? 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