From Peter_Dyballa@Freenet.DE Thu Jan 22 10:54:43 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Jan 2009 18:54:43 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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When I build Emacs.app from source from yesterday evening (18:00 UTC) In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (powerpc-apple-darwin8.11.0, NS apple-=20 appkit-824.48) of 2009-01-22 on localhost Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.824 configured using `configure '--without-sound' '--without-pop' = '--=20 with-dbus' '--with-libotf' '--with-ns' '--disable-ns-self-contained' =20 '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/Emacs/=20 calendar23:/Library/Application Support/Emacs' 'PKG_CONFIG_PATH=3D/sw/=20= lib/xft2/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/fontconfig2/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/=20 freetype219/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/pango-ft219/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/=20 qt4-x11/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/system-openssl/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/=20 pkgconfig:/sw/share/pkgconfig:/usr/X11R6/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/lib/=20= pkgconfig:/usr/lib/pkgconfig' 'CFLAGS=3D-g -Wno-pointer-sign -=20 bind_at_load -H -pipe -fPIC -mcpu=3D7450 -mtune=3D7450 -fast -mpim-=20 altivec -ftree-vectorize -foptimize-register-move -freorder-blocks -=20 freorder-blocks-and-partition -fthread-jumps -fpeephole -fno-=20 crossjumping' 'CPPFLAGS=3D-no-cpp-precomp' 'LDFLAGS=3D-bind_at_load -=20 dead_strip -multiply_defined suppress -L/sw/lib/ncurses'' or today (12:00 UTC) In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.2 (powerpc-apple-darwin8.11.0, NS apple-=20 appkit-824.48) of 2009-01-22 on localhost Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.824 configured using `configure '--without-sound' '--without-pop' = '--=20 with-dbus' '--with-libotf' '--with-ns' '--disable-ns-self-contained' =20 '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/Emacs/=20 calendar23:/Library/Application Support/Emacs' 'PKG_CONFIG_PATH=3D/sw/=20= lib/xft2/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/fontconfig2/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/=20 freetype219/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/pango-ft219/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/=20 qt4-x11/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/system-openssl/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/=20 pkgconfig:/sw/share/pkgconfig:/usr/X11R6/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/lib/=20= pkgconfig:/usr/lib/pkgconfig' 'CFLAGS=3D-Wno-pointer-sign -bind_at_load =20= -H -pipe -fPIC -mcpu=3D7450 -mtune=3D7450 -fast -mpim-altivec -ftree-=20 vectorize -foptimize-register-move -freorder-blocks -freorder-blocks-=20 and-partition -fthread-jumps -fpeephole -fno-crossjumping' 'CPPFLAGS=3D-=20= no-cpp-precomp' 'LDFLAGS=3D-bind_at_load -dead_strip -multiply_defined =20= suppress -L/sw/lib/ncurses'' and have these settings after I've launched it as 'nextstep/Emacs.app/=20= Contents/MacOS/Emacs -Q --debug-init' (after a 'sudo make install') Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default-enable-multibyte-characters: t =09 Major mode: Lisp Interaction =09 Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t =09 Recent input: I get completely transparent background of the windows. Only the =20 frame's decoration (scroll-bar, tabbar), mode-line and the fringe's =20 decoration are opaque, text looks frayed out/worn out. When I launch =20 it the regular way then most colours are incorrect. And when I then =20 pick into the *temp* buffer, I activate the Aqua client behind =20 Emacs.app. Otool -L reports: /System/Library/Frameworks/AppKit.framework/Versions/C/AppKit =20= (compatibility version 45.0.0, current version 824.48.0) /sw/lib/fontconfig2/lib/libfontconfig.1.dylib (compatibility = version =20 3.0.0, current version 3.0.0) /sw/lib/libdbus-1.3.dylib (compatibility version 8.0.0, current =20= version 8.0.0) /sw/lib/ncurses/libncurses.5.dylib (compatibility version 5.0.0, = =20 current version 5.0.0) /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current = =20 version 88.1.12) /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current =20= version 1.0.0) -- Greetings Pete "Evolution" o __o _o _ =B0\___o /0~ -\<, ^\___ /=3D\\_/-% oo~_______ /\ /\______/ \_________O/ O_______________o=3D=3D=3D>-->O--o___= _ --Apple-Mail-1-940186367 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello!

When I build Emacs.app from source from = yesterday evening (18:00 UTC)=A0

In GNU = Emacs 23.0.60.1 (powerpc-apple-darwin8.11.0, NS = apple-appkit-824.48)
of 2009-01-22 on = localhost
Windowing system distributor = `Apple', version 10.3.824
configured using `configure = =A0'--without-sound' '--without-pop' '--with-dbus' '--with-libotf' = '--with-ns' '--disable-ns-self-contained' = '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application = Support/Emacs/calendar23:/Library/Application Support/Emacs' = 'PKG_CONFIG_PATH=3D/sw/lib/xft2/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/fontconfig2/lib/pkgc= onfig:/sw/lib/freetype219/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/pango-ft219/lib/pkgconfig:= /sw/lib/qt4-x11/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/system-openssl/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib= /pkgconfig:/sw/share/pkgconfig:/usr/X11R6/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/lib/pkg= config:/usr/lib/pkgconfig' 'CFLAGS=3D-g -Wno-pointer-sign -bind_at_load = -H -pipe -fPIC -mcpu=3D7450 -mtune=3D7450 -fast -mpim-altivec = -ftree-vectorize -foptimize-register-move -freorder-blocks = -freorder-blocks-and-partition -fthread-jumps -fpeephole = -fno-crossjumping' 'CPPFLAGS=3D-no-cpp-precomp' 'LDFLAGS=3D-bind_at_load = -dead_strip -multiply_defined suppress = -L/sw/lib/ncurses''

or today (12:00 = UTC)

In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.2 = (powerpc-apple-darwin8.11.0, NS apple-appkit-824.48)
of = 2009-01-22 on localhost
Windowing system distributor = `Apple', version 10.3.824
configured using `configure = =A0'--without-sound' '--without-pop' '--with-dbus' '--with-libotf' = '--with-ns' '--disable-ns-self-contained' = '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application = Support/Emacs/calendar23:/Library/Application Support/Emacs' = 'PKG_CONFIG_PATH=3D/sw/lib/xft2/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/fontconfig2/lib/pkgc= onfig:/sw/lib/freetype219/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/pango-ft219/lib/pkgconfig:= /sw/lib/qt4-x11/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/system-openssl/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib= /pkgconfig:/sw/share/pkgconfig:/usr/X11R6/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/lib/pkg= config:/usr/lib/pkgconfig' 'CFLAGS=3D-Wno-pointer-sign -bind_at_load -H = -pipe -fPIC -mcpu=3D7450 -mtune=3D7450 -fast -mpim-altivec = -ftree-vectorize -foptimize-register-move -freorder-blocks = -freorder-blocks-and-partition -fthread-jumps -fpeephole = -fno-crossjumping' 'CPPFLAGS=3D-no-cpp-precomp' 'LDFLAGS=3D-bind_at_load = -dead_strip -multiply_defined suppress = -L/sw/lib/ncurses''

and have these settings = after I've launched it as 'nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs -Q = --debug-init' (after a 'sudo make = install')

Important = settings:
=A0value of $LC_ALL: = nil
= =A0value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
=A0value = of $LC_CTYPE: de_DE.UTF-8
=A0value of $LC_MESSAGES: = nil
= =A0value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
=A0value = of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
=A0value of $LC_TIME: = nil
= =A0value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8
=A0value = of $XMODIFIERS: nil
=A0locale-coding-system: = utf-8-unix
= =A0default-enable-multibyte-characters: t
=
Major mode: Lisp = Interaction
Minor = modes in effect:
=A0tooltip-mode: = t
= =A0mouse-wheel-mode: t
=A0menu-bar-mode: = t
= =A0file-name-shadow-mode: t
= =A0global-font-lock-mode: t
=A0font-lock-mode: = t
= =A0global-auto-composition-mode: t
= =A0auto-composition-mode: t
=A0auto-encryption-mode: = t
= =A0auto-compression-mode: t
= =A0line-number-mode: t
=A0transient-mark-mode: = t
=
Recent input:
= <ns-new-frame> <menu-bar> <help-menu> = <send-emacs-
= bug-report>

I get completely = transparent background of the windows. Only the frame's decoration = (scroll-bar, tabbar), mode-line and the fringe's decoration are opaque, = text looks frayed out/worn out. When I launch it the regular way then = most colours are incorrect. And when I then pick into the *temp* buffer, = I activate the Aqua client behind Emacs.app. Otool -L = reports:

= /System/Library/Frameworks/AppKit.framework/Versions/C/AppKit = (compatibility version 45.0.0, current version 824.48.0)
= /sw/lib/fontconfig2/lib/libfontconfig.1.dylib (compatibility = version 3.0.0, current version 3.0.0)
= /sw/lib/libdbus-1.3.dylib (compatibility version 8.0.0, current = version 8.0.0)
= /sw/lib/ncurses/libncurses.5.dylib (compatibility version 5.0.0, = current version 5.0.0)
/usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib = (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 88.1.12)
= /usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current = version 1.0.0)

--
Greetings

=A0 = Pete


=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =B0\___o=A0 =A0 =A0 /0~ =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 -\<,=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ^\___ = /=3D\\_/-%

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X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2GLMH5X016028 for <1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:22:18 -0700 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so4344921waf.1 for <1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:22:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :content-type:mime-version:subject:date:cc:x-mailer; bh=ZR7Qnb6fQit4ElHpSe71uFJlooG5+7UVto1Udye6EjY=; b=nKM7DMbPCOj5/n0ghISOs8OaPoIgJmhL5LC/n110mmWnQm3BMzdGjis7q+i4fYZW/V rcyvwomxvQ+EHfxdxkqmLRLuGkURFf9P/9ijlULQqkXi0jMsp+7v0IavHOlR7wcrXXse i94ieP3xDeU5sjYtW6ogVPmFRA7EjjWIARzHk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:cc :x-mailer; b=HatFQ90Qcpj8rKHmSmo/NWX6AX4jlRGSKaQs50zEQx9dasJ/RdoNpUkn6UeisQ1/9l 9GQdk0TdcVp4B5RoyCfVk/Ct3J33uWCv63yRyElgo+ECw63Z3yS4etGvDZeZbfdaGyMM nDs32OviHaOwezJJZ2UkwlFq6e8xIN81dz3Is= Received: by 10.115.91.11 with SMTP id t11mr3643639wal.112.1237238537434; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SCARLETT.PSY.CMU.EDU (SCARLETT.PSY.CMU.EDU [128.2.249.106]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m26sm19646158pof.18.2009.03.16.14.22.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: David Reitter To: 1993@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-22--914187983; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:22:13 -0400 Cc: Peter Dyballa X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) --Apple-Mail-22--914187983 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Peter, regarding this bug: please try rebuilding with an updated CVS. I have just checked in a few changes that may fix this (by not loading org.gnu.Emacs.plist any longer). 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X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mout3.freenet.de (mout3.freenet.de [195.4.92.93]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2HBuhKb012122 for <1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:56:44 -0700 Received: from [195.4.92.17] (helo=7.mx.freenet.de) by mout3.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #76) id 1LjXuU-0003VL-AW; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:56:42 +0100 Received: from p5b23c182.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.35.193.130]:52620 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by 7.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1LjXuT-0007vo-PW; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:56:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-1--861721993" Message-Id: <1B1DE5FC-4B05-43EA-9D24-0F477C5C3300@Freenet.DE> Cc: 1993@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Dyballa Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:56:39 +0100 To: David Reitter X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-1--861721993 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Am 16.03.2009 um 22:22 schrieb David Reitter: > Hi Peter, > regarding this bug: please try rebuilding with an updated CVS. I =20 > have just checked in a few changes that may fix this (by not =20 > loading org.gnu.Emacs.plist any longer). I managed to solve the issue by editing the PLIST file. I don't think =20= I'll rebuild Emacs.app this week or this month =96 the X client needs =20= some work and investigation. Maybe in April ... -- Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen Pete Musik hilft gegen Taliban, nicht Bomben. --Apple-Mail-1--861721993 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkm/j/cACgkQ+Z8cB9x5ExPVNwCcDb6aFxfL5FiStZrOVqzNTvsu zO8An2kZxITFiLs7Y3jYn0Yg/ieRe2Ju =tXWj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-1--861721993-- From Peter_Dyballa@Freenet.DE Sat Mar 28 12:03:57 2009 Received: (at 1993) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 28 Mar 2009 19:03:57 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mout2.freenet.de (mout2.freenet.de [195.4.92.92]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2SJ3rZm030802 for <1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:03:55 -0700 Received: from [195.4.92.14] (helo=4.mx.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #76) id 1Lndos-0001GJ-A0; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:03:50 +0100 Received: from p5b23ef12.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.35.239.18]:56764 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by 4.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1Lndoi-0003f7-7A; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:03:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-1-114296445" Message-Id: Cc: 1993@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Dyballa Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:03:37 +0100 To: David Reitter X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-1-114296445 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Am 16.03.2009 um 22:22 schrieb David Reitter: > Hi Peter, > regarding this bug: please try rebuilding with an updated CVS. I =20 > have just checked in a few changes that may fix this (by not =20 > loading org.gnu.Emacs.plist any longer). > The new interface is faulty: setting some value pops up a form =20 without the usual Aqua interface of the three colourful dots. When I =20 press Yes a crash seems to happen, which I did not want to report. So =20= the CrashReporter interface went away, but the Yes/No interface =20 stayed. And Emacs.app. Both don't go away. -- Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen Pete Know thyself. Need help, call GOOGLE. --Apple-Mail-1-114296445 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAknOdIkACgkQ+Z8cB9x5ExOjqwCfYv7F+nnmWaRvjkOmhAmbTdY9 kowAoLpzu/TJ1nvpX0Q0TUbm60f08piQ =i5NI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-1-114296445-- From Peter_Dyballa@Freenet.DE Sat Mar 28 12:07:52 2009 Received: (at 1993) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 28 Mar 2009 19:07:53 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mout3.freenet.de (mout3.freenet.de [195.4.92.93]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2SJ7n6E032731 for <1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:07:51 -0700 Received: from [195.4.92.11] (helo=1.mx.freenet.de) by mout3.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #76) id 1Lndsi-0002T8-MT; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:07:48 +0100 Received: from p5b23ef12.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.35.239.18]:56766 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by 1.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1Lndsi-0006Bj-Bb; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:07:48 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-2-114544283" Message-Id: <79981DBC-6A86-4A82-AB46-9E5D7D4518A7@Freenet.DE> Cc: 1993@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Dyballa Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:07:45 +0100 To: David Reitter X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-2-114544283 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Am 16.03.2009 um 22:22 schrieb David Reitter: > Hi Peter, > regarding this bug: please try rebuilding with an updated CVS. I =20 > have just checked in a few changes that may fix this (by not =20 > loading org.gnu.Emacs.plist any longer). > The new interface is incomplete: there is none of the options of the =20 previous preferences pane visible. -- Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen Pete ~ o ~_\\_/\ ~ O O --Apple-Mail-2-114544283 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAknOdYEACgkQ+Z8cB9x5ExMk3gCg3tDQWvo8pjFdLPJu3Bo3aO11 vLUAoLVcxGukefMhE/N22myB0BB9eEgW =1Gnn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-2-114544283-- From Peter_Dyballa@Freenet.DE Sat Mar 28 12:12:21 2009 Received: (at 1993) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 28 Mar 2009 19:12:21 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mout4.freenet.de (mout4.freenet.de [195.4.92.94]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2SJCItx001486 for <1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:12:19 -0700 Received: from [195.4.92.23] (helo=13.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #76) id 1Lndwx-0005cC-BO; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:12:17 +0100 Received: from p5b23ef12.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.35.239.18]:56769 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by 13.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #76) id 1Lndwx-0005nS-3F; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:12:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-3-114786198" Message-Id: Cc: 1993@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Dyballa Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:11:47 +0100 To: David Reitter X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-3-114786198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Am 16.03.2009 um 22:22 schrieb David Reitter: > Hi Peter, > regarding this bug: please try rebuilding with an updated CVS. I =20 > have just checked in a few changes that may fix this (by not =20 > loading org.gnu.Emacs.plist any longer). > The key binding is incorrect. Pressing =E2=8C=98-, Emacs.app reports: =20= Symbol's function definition is void: ns-popup-prefs-panel. The =20 correct key binding would obviously be: ns-show-prefs. -- Mit friedvollen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen Pete Ein Optimist ist in der Regel ein Zeitgenosse, der ungen=C3=BCgend =20 informiert ist. =E2=80=93 John B. Priestley --Apple-Mail-3-114786198 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAknOdnMACgkQ+Z8cB9x5ExPk6gCfRmX+zPVRWEAAosz+Q4ecyaTm lUUAoLO8zOI2STzbDZv/nEpms9OvS09Z =wABF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-3-114786198-- From Peter_Dyballa@Freenet.DE Sat Mar 28 12:55:06 2009 Received: (at 1993) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 28 Mar 2009 19:55:07 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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I =20 > have just checked in a few changes that may fix this (by not =20 > loading org.gnu.Emacs.plist any longer). > The previous setting of the Option key is not preserved. I can't type =20= [, ], {, }, |, or \! -- Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen Pete Make it simple, as simple as possible but no simpler. =96 Albert Einstein --Apple-Mail-4-117372193 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAknOgI0ACgkQ+Z8cB9x5ExNDGQCeNkl0U3Qh9Qyzqh9EeD/L5t5s iMwAnioZbS1Eq3TMMiAapSCO/A/QQzam =FK3s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-4-117372193-- From david.reitter@gmail.com Sat Mar 28 16:26:10 2009 Received: (at 1993) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 28 Mar 2009 23:26:10 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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(pool-72-65-195-138.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [72.65.195.138]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm3708020eyg.27.2009.03.28.16.26.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Cc: 1993@debbugs.gnu.org, Adrian Robert Message-Id: From: David Reitter To: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: <2047928B-CCE1-4A20-9280-B671282A819F@Freenet.DE> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-104-130039830; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:26:01 -0400 References: <2047928B-CCE1-4A20-9280-B671282A819F@Freenet.DE> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) --Apple-Mail-104-130039830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 28, 2009, at 3:54 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > Am 16.03.2009 um 22:22 schrieb David Reitter: > >> Hi Peter, >> regarding this bug: please try rebuilding with an updated CVS. I >> have just checked in a few changes that may fix this (by not >> loading org.gnu.Emacs.plist any longer). >> > > > The previous setting of the Option key is not preserved. I can't > type [, ], {, }, |, or \! In the NS port, ns-option-modifier is `meta' by default, so this is logical. I presume you had a customization. Adrian, should we change this to match the Carbon Emacs default? Your ns-compatibility-mode (forgot exact name) could change that, of course, but without it, we don't have too many Mac like keys bound. 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(pool-72-65-195-138.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [72.65.195.138]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm4058757qwb.31.2009.03.28.17.01.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Cc: 1993@debbugs.gnu.org Message-Id: <7DFEF478-7CD1-4307-8AEB-E588DA690F24@gmail.com> From: David Reitter To: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: <79981DBC-6A86-4A82-AB46-9E5D7D4518A7@Freenet.DE> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-106-132142425; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:01:03 -0400 References: <79981DBC-6A86-4A82-AB46-9E5D7D4518A7@Freenet.DE> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) --Apple-Mail-106-132142425 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 28, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > The new interface is incomplete: there is none of the options of the > previous preferences pane visible. Some of the options are gone or have been merged with standard Emacs options, others are available via the normal customization interface (M-x customize-group RET ns RET), to which we are going to add remaining options that make sense only on NS/Cocoa (if you know any, let me or Adrian know). I think we should add the Ns group to the top-level customization group. 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(pool-72-65-195-138.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [72.65.195.138]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm4072448qwd.48.2009.03.28.17.02.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: 1993@debbugs.gnu.org Message-Id: <29277A24-18B7-464B-BBE8-6E98A3DCD333@gmail.com> From: David Reitter To: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-107-132218639; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:02:19 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) --Apple-Mail-107-132218639 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mar 28, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote: > The key binding is incorrect. Pressing =E2=8C=98-, Emacs.app reports: =20= > Symbol's function definition is void: ns-popup-prefs-panel. The =20 > correct key binding would obviously be: ns-show-prefs. Thank you, I just installed a fix. 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(pool-72-65-195-138.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [72.65.195.138]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1450880eyh.51.2009.03.28.17.05.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Cc: 1993@debbugs.gnu.org Message-Id: <231FE71D-774A-48B0-BE55-A2E592BFAA37@gmail.com> From: David Reitter To: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-108-132434131; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:05:55 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) --Apple-Mail-108-132434131 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 28, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > The new interface is faulty: setting some value pops up a form > without the usual Aqua interface of the three colourful dots. When I > press Yes a crash seems to happen, which I did not want to report. > So the CrashReporter interface went away, but the Yes/No interface > stayed. And Emacs.app. Both don't go away. Sounds bad, but I don't understand what's happening. Do you mean the color panel? Setting which value?? If you can reproduce, please file a proper bug report (separately). 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X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=4.0 tests=MDO_CABLE_TV3 autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mout1.freenet.de (mout1.freenet.de [195.4.92.91]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2T09kJ9010748 for <1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:09:48 -0700 Received: from [195.4.92.19] (helo=9.mx.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #76) id 1Lniav-0008IJ-PC; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:09:45 +0100 Received: from p5b23ef12.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.35.239.18]:57046 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by 9.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #76) id 1Lniav-0003gv-Gw; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:09:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <2047928B-CCE1-4A20-9280-B671282A819F@Freenet.DE> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-1-132640193" Message-Id: <823D707D-4CB2-4D98-AF81-2F2FCF0D5FA6@Freenet.DE> Cc: 1993@debbugs.gnu.org, Adrian Robert Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Dyballa Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:09:21 +0100 To: David Reitter X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-1-132640193 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Am 29.03.2009 um 00:26 schrieb David Reitter: > In the NS port, ns-option-modifier is `meta' by default, so this is =20= > logical. > I presume you had a customization. This is bad default, possibly applicable for a simple US keyboard. =20 When the system language default is non-US and the script is Latin =20 based then Meta should be Command and Alt left as Alt. -- Mit evolution=E4ren Gr=FC=DFen Pete "Evolution" o __o _o _ =B0\___o /0~ -\<, ^\___ /=3D\\_/-% oo~_______ /\ /\______/ \_________O/ O_______________o=3D=3D=3D>-->O--o___= _ --Apple-Mail-1-132640193 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAknOvDEACgkQ+Z8cB9x5ExPRAwCeNHLfWUnaVs31LECoiikJ5WD5 BygAoMn7C2BbByKcZYJ3lHi18bVbf/46 =v1+F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-1-132640193-- From david.reitter@gmail.com Sat Mar 28 17:14:38 2009 Received: (at 1993) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 29 Mar 2009 00:14:38 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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(pool-72-65-195-138.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [72.65.195.138]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm3765932eya.56.2009.03.28.17.14.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Cc: 1993@debbugs.gnu.org, Adrian Robert Message-Id: <771F16D9-6E7E-4633-86AA-86647B2178DC@gmail.com> From: David Reitter To: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: <823D707D-4CB2-4D98-AF81-2F2FCF0D5FA6@Freenet.DE> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-111-132943819; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:14:25 -0400 References: <2047928B-CCE1-4A20-9280-B671282A819F@Freenet.DE> <823D707D-4CB2-4D98-AF81-2F2FCF0D5FA6@Freenet.DE> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) --Apple-Mail-111-132943819 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 28, 2009, at 8:09 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote: > >> In the NS port, ns-option-modifier is `meta' by default, so this is >> logical. >> I presume you had a customization. > > > This is bad default, possibly applicable for a simple US keyboard. > When the system language default is non-US and the script is Latin > based then Meta should be Command and Alt left as Alt. Could be done, but I think we should stick to one default for all layouts. 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X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mout4.freenet.de (mout4.freenet.de [195.4.92.94]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2T0KGou014306 for <1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:20:17 -0700 Received: from [195.4.92.20] (helo=10.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #76) id 1Lnil5-0005Cs-Fr; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:20:15 +0100 Received: from p5b23ef12.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.35.239.18]:57048 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by 10.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #76) id 1Lnil5-0002Ur-5t; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:20:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: <231FE71D-774A-48B0-BE55-A2E592BFAA37@gmail.com> References: <231FE71D-774A-48B0-BE55-A2E592BFAA37@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-2-133285654" Message-Id: <64A970D8-E383-4A44-84FB-58CB5C6A74C0@Freenet.DE> Cc: 1993@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Dyballa Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:20:06 +0100 To: David Reitter X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-2-133285654 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Am 29.03.2009 um 01:05 schrieb David Reitter: > Sounds bad, but I don't understand what's happening. Do you mean =20 > the color panel? No. > Setting which value?? In *Customize Group: Holidays* the value to mark holidays initially =20 in *Calendar* buffer. When I press the Toggle button and then press =20 the "Set for current session" button I get asked whether all values =20 should be set according to this buffer. This question is already non-=20 sense =96 what do I care for Chinese or Islamic or Bahai holidays?! But =20= OK, maybe this the new default behaviour when customising a group of =20 settings ... And the crash seems to happen after a time period, independent of =20 whether I press Yes or No. > If you can reproduce, please file a proper bug report =20 > (separately). The trace would be helpful, of course. OK, can be done! -- Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen Pete There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what =20 you're talking about. =96 John von Neumann --Apple-Mail-2-133285654 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAknOvrcACgkQ+Z8cB9x5ExO5XQCgke8Jecdacrm28HYLbEkKU+y0 oHUAn3swdPSb8bEgBU54BmOilsSa5Rss =05hX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-2-133285654-- From Peter_Dyballa@Freenet.DE Sat Mar 28 17:24:44 2009 Received: (at 1993) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 29 Mar 2009 00:24:44 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mout4.freenet.de (mout4.freenet.de [195.4.92.94]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2T0Of4q014433 for <1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:24:42 -0700 Received: from [195.4.92.17] (helo=7.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #76) id 1LnipM-0004Mv-Ma; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:24:40 +0100 Received: from p5b23ef12.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.35.239.18]:57052 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by 7.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1LnipM-00029W-DD; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:24:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: <771F16D9-6E7E-4633-86AA-86647B2178DC@gmail.com> References: <2047928B-CCE1-4A20-9280-B671282A819F@Freenet.DE> <823D707D-4CB2-4D98-AF81-2F2FCF0D5FA6@Freenet.DE> <771F16D9-6E7E-4633-86AA-86647B2178DC@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-3-133554873" Message-Id: <2FB6D88D-AB55-4B44-BB02-318B9939125B@Freenet.DE> Cc: 1993@debbugs.gnu.org, Adrian Robert Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Dyballa Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:24:35 +0100 To: David Reitter X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-3-133554873 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Am 29.03.2009 um 01:14 schrieb David Reitter: > Could be done, but I think we should stick to one default for all =20 > layouts. Then the system's one. No artificial changes. -- Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen Pete 0 %-/\_// (*)(*) --Apple-Mail-3-133554873 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAknOv8QACgkQ+Z8cB9x5ExMkjQCfeWgzbovsvSB7KgVGTzvQ40t1 v1wAoIcw2ZyVo77slIv1lUSNr08iEd9S =dOcH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-3-133554873-- From adrian.b.robert@gmail.com Fri Apr 3 23:24:58 2009 Received: (at 1993) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 4 Apr 2009 06:24:59 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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(gprs-prx.spicenepal.com [116.68.208.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y3sm366640tia.23.2009.04.03.23.24.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:24:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2047928B-CCE1-4A20-9280-B671282A819F@Freenet.DE> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Peter Dyballa , 1993@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adrian Robert Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:11:00 +0545 To: David Reitter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) On Mar 29, 2009, at 5:11 AM, David Reitter wrote: > Adrian, should we change this to match the Carbon Emacs default? > Your ns-compatibility-mode (forgot exact name) could change that, > of course, but without it, we don't have too many Mac like keys > bound. Traditional Emacs users tend to want a Meta key, while most > users of non-English keyboard layouts will need Option very > regularly to do tasks often done in Emacs {like C/Java/... > programming}. Hi, I will just give my thoughts on this, but since this port is a community project it is not necessarily my decision what to do. The reason to prefer command = command is that emacs can then use similar accelerator keybindings to other os x apps. The reason to prefer command = meta is that emacs can use similar non-ascii latin character entry to other os x apps. Which is preferred for a given user depends on two questions: 1) is the user in continental Europe? 2) is the user editing code or text? Why (2)? Now that I've been living on the continent myself for a while, I've noticed that programmers here often just use a US keyboard layout even if they have a physically non-US keyboard. It's just too much of a hassle to get commonly-needed special characters otherwise. So my feeling is that the command=meta option is preferred by text- writing Continentals, while command = command is likely preferred by everyone else. I am not sure which group makes up a larger subset of OS X emacs users. I do know that I received a few complaints over the years from folks disliking the Emacs.app command=command default. My answer was always to rehash the above and note that it's easy to change it -- just flip a combo box in the prefs panel. Now that it's not so easy (I guess figuring out the existence of ns/mac-command-modifier variable and writing suitable elisp to .emacs is necessary), the default setting becomes more important. >> Could be done, but I think we should stick to one default for all >> layouts. >> > > Then the system's one. No artificial changes. I agree with both of these. So perhaps the best default would be command=command (super), alt=none, and the user can set a meta key (additional to esc+) if he/she desires. -Adrian From david.reitter@gmail.com Sat Apr 4 09:00:53 2009 Received: (at 1993) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 4 Apr 2009 16:00:53 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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I am not sure which group makes up a larger subset > of OS X emacs users. Well, a pretty stable 50% of all Aquamacs users are US based. > I do know that I received a few complaints over the years from folks > disliking the Emacs.app command=command default. My answer was > always to rehash the above and note that it's easy to change it -- > just flip a combo box in the prefs panel. Now that it's not so easy > (I guess figuring out the existence of ns/mac-command-modifier > variable and writing suitable elisp to .emacs is necessary), the > default setting becomes more important. That's right. Similarly, I have received plenty of complaints about Option=Meta, especially in the early days of Aquamacs. > >>> Could be done, but I think we should stick to one default for all >>> layouts. >>> >> >> Then the system's one. No artificial changes. > > > I agree with both of these. So perhaps the best default would be > command=command (super), alt=none, and the user can set a meta key > (additional to esc+) if he/she desires. Well, that would be another alternative - maybe a good one. It's my second-preferred variant. The reason why I support Command=Meta for Emacs 23 is experience from working with Aquamacs and Carbon Emacs users. It seems to me that there is a division between Emacs traditionalists, who would like an Emacs with maximum compatibility across platforms. These people don't need/want Mac keybindings. On the other end, you find people with the need for cross-application integration. Unsurprisingly, that's the typical Aquamacs user, while the traditionalists compile Emacs from scratch or use a distribution like Carbon Emacs Package. Due to this polarization, I think that it is sensible to Emacs Emacs- compatible. Because otherwise, I'm not sure who's going to fill the void. (That said, Meta=Esc is a perfectly acceptable default setting, too. Just not my #1 choice.) From adrian.b.robert@gmail.com Sun Apr 5 21:24:36 2009 Received: (at 1993) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 6 Apr 2009 04:24:36 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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(gprs-prx.spicenepal.com [116.68.208.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i9sm58100tid.13.2009.04.05.21.24.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 05 Apr 2009 21:24:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1B5766A7-D82A-4E71-807B-532A2DA38E2E@gmail.com> References: <2047928B-CCE1-4A20-9280-B671282A819F@Freenet.DE> <1B5766A7-D82A-4E71-807B-532A2DA38E2E@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <38FE7C75-06D5-4680-A7EB-0D8F4F810C95@gmail.com> Cc: Peter Dyballa , 1993@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adrian Robert Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:10:36 +0545 To: David Reitter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) On Apr 4, 2009, at 9:45 PM, David Reitter wrote: >> >> I agree with both of these. So perhaps the best default would be >> command=command (super), alt=none, and the user can set a meta key >> (additional to esc+) if he/she desires. > > Well, that would be another alternative - maybe a good one. It's > my second-preferred variant. > > The reason why I support Command=Meta for Emacs 23 is experience > from working with Aquamacs and Carbon Emacs users. It seems to me > that there is a division between Emacs traditionalists, who would > like an Emacs with maximum compatibility across platforms. These > people don't need/want Mac keybindings. On the other end, you find > people with the need for cross-application integration. > Unsurprisingly, that's the typical Aquamacs user, while the > traditionalists compile Emacs from scratch or use a distribution > like Carbon Emacs Package. Do W32 users face this same issue? That is, does 'alt' play the same role on their non-US keyboards as it does on the Mac ones? Can we follow Emacs on W32 in that case? IMHO Command is too heavily used on the Mac to simply throw under the bus by default -- the very user who will like emacs or uses it on other platforms is exactly the one already using cmd-shortcuts in other apps on the Mac. Further, "traditionalists" are most prepared to get their hands dirty and set up a command=meta mapping if they want it. Whereas a less savvy, single-platform user coming to Emacs.app from Text Edit, XCode, etc. will be most at home with command=super and alt=alt. As they learn emacs more, they can make their own decision about which key to give up for meta if they dislike esc+. In any case the information about these key settings should be easily accessible to users and the method of changing them should be easy. This could be done with a customization buffer hyperlinked from either the splash screen or a help menu item. This could be reconciled with the desire to keep the interface uniform across all platforms by allowing a sentence on splash or a single menu item under Help for platform-specific information. -Adrian From david.reitter@gmail.com Mon Apr 6 10:42:46 2009 Received: (at 1993) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 6 Apr 2009 17:42:47 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,MURPHY_SEX_L5 autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mail-qy0-f107.google.com (mail-qy0-f107.google.com [209.85.221.107]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n36HghQm016722 for <1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:42:44 -0700 Received: by qyk5 with SMTP id 5so64275qyk.19 for <1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:42:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; bh=ir5EYHr+TrFvE/gzR3uuwa8bwUn0JMAdGeFN9iJgl4E=; b=DQg8pbuyvHEgkS40ZLTeX2DRlpHLHFZTK5By5vYPIZcd8t6sMeWJ8il50H+ji585z4 faEQkkNA1RjF0j/kqyNVykbeU5KgciRsAMOSBy5faIGyhlyN2N2ZbTRbT9OLROpdl8Dh hXGqRlKOeMCgG12acGMWfbjjFddR+YvJjajZQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; b=FVqx0b7NGG+bmYxHpCvcr/MEzdc4v/tGiLpVorv3RkakCEvpm2acD7qouUhgrV6Sck s1/4J52FygDvYanpyjNDc6IceLrcnvNu9Gaa1pYHGLWS0LjmCaSdPOjxaCGy9XsgUye/ jtd2+j13EKt9zvD7zkHG/HUgilYQcur/vjOlc= Received: by 10.224.2.211 with SMTP id 19mr3905449qak.339.1239039757487; Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SCARLETT.PSY.CMU.EDU (SCARLETT.PSY.CMU.EDU [128.2.249.106]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm5032727qwh.8.2009.04.06.10.42.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Peter Dyballa , 1993@debbugs.gnu.org Message-Id: <8D296BE5-A659-4B59-9357-39D1CEAE5B74@gmail.com> From: David Reitter To: Adrian Robert In-Reply-To: <38FE7C75-06D5-4680-A7EB-0D8F4F810C95@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-887032411; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:42:33 -0400 References: <2047928B-CCE1-4A20-9280-B671282A819F@Freenet.DE> <1B5766A7-D82A-4E71-807B-532A2DA38E2E@gmail.com> <38FE7C75-06D5-4680-A7EB-0D8F4F810C95@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) --Apple-Mail-7-887032411 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 6, 2009, at 12:25 AM, Adrian Robert wrote: > > On Apr 4, 2009, at 9:45 PM, David Reitter wrote: >>> >>> I agree with both of these. So perhaps the best default would be >>> command=command (super), alt=none, and the user can set a meta key >>> (additional to esc+) if he/she desires. >> >> Well, that would be another alternative - maybe a good one. It's >> my second-preferred variant. >> >> The reason why I support Command=Meta for Emacs 23 is experience >> from working with Aquamacs and Carbon Emacs users. It seems to me >> that there is a division between Emacs traditionalists, who would >> like an Emacs with maximum compatibility across platforms. These >> people don't need/want Mac keybindings. On the other end, you find >> people with the need for cross-application integration. >> Unsurprisingly, that's the typical Aquamacs user, while the >> traditionalists compile Emacs from scratch or use a distribution >> like Carbon Emacs Package. > > Do W32 users face this same issue? That is, does 'alt' play the > same role on their non-US keyboards as it does on the Mac ones? Can > we follow Emacs on W32 in that case? They have a Windows key... Their issue is that standard key combos like C-x, C-c, C-v collide with Emacs bindings. CUA solved the issue in some way. > IMHO Command is too heavily used on the Mac to simply throw under > the bus by default -- the very user who will like emacs or uses it > on other platforms is exactly the one already using cmd-shortcuts in > other apps on the Mac. Further, "traditionalists" are most prepared > to get their hands dirty and set up a command=meta mapping if they > want it. I've had pretty nasty complaints from people who said that they hit "Command Q" (to fill) because that's what they're used to from Unix systems and their keyboards, and then the app quit on them. > Whereas a less savvy, single-platform user coming to Emacs.app from > Text Edit, XCode, etc. will be most at home with command=super and > alt=alt. As they learn emacs more, they can make their own decision > about which key to give up for meta if they dislike esc+. Well, like I said in my earlier e-mail, I don't think you can make everyone happy. And there are SO many things to upset and derail the newbie user that I wouldn't try to go for a compromise. > In any case the information about these key settings should be > easily accessible to users and the method of changing them should be > easy. This could be done with a customization buffer hyperlinked > from either the splash screen or a help menu item. This could be > reconciled with the desire to keep the interface uniform across all > platforms by allowing a sentence on splash or a single menu item > under Help for platform-specific information. That's a good idea. As per the other e-mail: the top-level customization group should contain "ns" (or "nextstep"), along with a note that these are the Mac specific settings, also (because NS isn't really Mac lingo). -- http://aquamacs.org -- Aquamacs: Emacs on Mac OS X http://aquamacs.org/donate -- Could we help you? 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([124.13.4.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a14sm1316563tia.7.2009.04.06.15.53.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Jason Rumney Message-ID: <49DA87E6.9040806@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 06:53:26 +0800 From: Jason Rumney User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Robert , 1993@debbugs.gnu.org CC: David Reitter , Peter Dyballa Subject: Re: bug#1993: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background References: <2047928B-CCE1-4A20-9280-B671282A819F@Freenet.DE> <1B5766A7-D82A-4E71-807B-532A2DA38E2E@gmail.com> <38FE7C75-06D5-4680-A7EB-0D8F4F810C95@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <38FE7C75-06D5-4680-A7EB-0D8F4F810C95@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adrian Robert wrote: > Do W32 users face this same issue? That is, does 'alt' play the same > role on their non-US keyboards as it does on the Mac ones? Can we > follow Emacs on W32 in that case? AltGr is distinct from Alt on Windows, so non-US users just lose one of the meta keys on their keyboard. There are some users who prefer to use Alt to access the menus though, and use the windows keys for meta. Currently this requires a patched version of Emacs to work properly, we have papers from the author, we are just waiting for the author to clean up the patch so we can install it, for 23.2 now. From Peter_Dyballa@Freenet.DE Tue Apr 7 06:16:21 2009 Received: (at 1993) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 7 Apr 2009 13:16:21 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,MURPHY_SEX_L5 autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mout2.freenet.de (mout2.freenet.de [195.4.92.92]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n37DGH7d031091 for <1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:16:19 -0700 Received: from [195.4.92.16] (helo=6.mx.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1LqpvG-0008B8-Kk; Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:35:38 +0200 Received: from p5b23fbfb.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.35.251.251]:54620 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by 6.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1Lqpur-0003wm-8L; Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:35:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <38FE7C75-06D5-4680-A7EB-0D8F4F810C95@gmail.com> References: <2047928B-CCE1-4A20-9280-B671282A819F@Freenet.DE> <1B5766A7-D82A-4E71-807B-532A2DA38E2E@gmail.com> <38FE7C75-06D5-4680-A7EB-0D8F4F810C95@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-1-875780515" Message-Id: <0BBB5844-7A45-4002-99DE-1BAC93E3456E@Freenet.DE> Cc: David Reitter , 1993@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Dyballa Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:35:00 +0200 To: Adrian Robert X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-1-875780515 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Am 06.04.2009 um 06:25 schrieb Adrian Robert: > IMHO Command is too heavily used on the Mac to simply throw under =20 > the bus by default -- the very user who will like emacs or uses it =20 > on other platforms is exactly the one already using cmd-shortcuts =20 > in other apps on the Mac. Further, "traditionalists" are most =20 > prepared to get their hands dirty and set up a command=3Dmeta mapping =20= > if they want it. Whereas a less savvy, single-platform user coming =20= > to Emacs.app from Text Edit, XCode, etc. will be most at home with =20 > command=3Dsuper and alt=3Dalt. As they learn emacs more, they can = make =20 > their own decision about which key to give up for meta if they =20 > dislike esc+. I wouldn't mind if command=3Dsuper by default =96 provided some key =20 bindings are reserved for Mac OS X (copy, paste, maximise/minimise, =20 hide/unhide, maybe also new frame and preferences/customisation), a =20 three button can be emulated, and the standard Meta key bindings of =20 GNU Emacs are also available as super key bindings (for example M-g g/=20= M-g M-g, which collides with s-g, isearch-repeat-forward). -- Greetings Pete With Capitalism man exploits man. With communism it's the exact =20 opposite. --Apple-Mail-1-875780515 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAknaExYACgkQ+Z8cB9x5ExOj+QCgk8FWaMihKi7/rHA52zfP5ut2 45wAn2hZKs6qcWgaelqBOhoo9K21cExK =R8Pl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-1-875780515-- From trh@xs4all.nl Sun Apr 19 15:25:58 2009 Received: (at 1993) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 19 Apr 2009 22:25:58 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,MURPHY_DRUGS_REL8 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.24]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3JMPshf012545 for <1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:25:56 -0700 Received: from basil.xs4all.nl (trh.demon.nl [83.160.194.18]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n3JMPqS5070368 for <1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:25:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trh@xs4all.nl) Received: (from tom@localhost) by basil.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28110 for 1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:25:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200904192225.AAA28110@basil.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) X-Image-URL: http://www.xs4all.nl/~trh/images/Tom_Hageman.tiff X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.2mach [m68k] (Enhance X, Apr 2004) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148) From: Tom Hageman Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:25:47 +0200 To: 1993@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1993: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Reply-To: Tom Hageman Organization: Warty Wolfs X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner In article , Jason Rumney wrote: > Adrian Robert wrote: > > Do W32 users face this same issue? That is, does 'alt' play the > > same role on their non-US keyboards as it does on the Mac ones? > > Can we follow Emacs on W32 in that case? > > AltGr is distinct from Alt on Windows, so non-US users just lose one > of the meta keys on their keyboard. There are some users who prefer > to use Alt to access the menus though, and use the windows keys for > meta. Currently this requires a patched version of Emacs to work > properly, we have papers from the author, we are just waiting for > the author to clean up the patch so we can install it, for 23.2 now. Naive suggestion mabe, but as most (all?) Macs also have left- and right- Alt keys, can't one be used as meta and the other kept as alt? Regards, Tom. 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