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Bad month translation printed with date command in Greek locale

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From: Eric Blake <eblake <at> redhat.com>
To: Nick & John <levelwol <at> gmail.com>, 19856 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Austin Group <austin-group-l <at> opengroup.org>
Subject: Re: bug#19856: Bad month translation printed with date command in
 Greek locale
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:56:34 -0700

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[adding the Austin Group, as this is a POSIX question]

On 02/13/2015 06:46 AM, Nick & John wrote:
> Hello we are Nick Barkas and Ioannis Barkas from Greece. There is an
> annoying error in the date command for quite some time when using
> Greek locale.

Thanks for the report.

> If date is instructed to print month and day of month, the translation
> is wrong and looks funny...
>  You have to be able to write Greek in order to understand it and
> since the bug exists we assume no one from coreutils developers knows
> Greek.
>  As a result we will explain every month in detail as it will be Greek
> to you.

I don't know if you intended that to be funny, but it makes a rather
nice play on a typical English idiom :)

> Remove "LC_TIME=el_GR.UTF-8" from the commands to get the date
> in English.
> 
> This is what you get with "B Y" (month year), which is correct:
> $ LC_TIME=el_GR.UTF-8 date +"%B %Y" -d "2015-01-01"
> Ιανουάριος 2015

> 
> This is what you get with "d B Y" (month year), which is wrong:
> $ LC_TIME=el_GR.UTF-8 date +"%d %B %Y" -d "2015-01-01"
> 01 Ιανουάριος 2015

> 
> Here is what the date command should print with "d B Y" (month year),
> in el_GR.UTF-8 locale:
> $ LC_TIME=el_GR.UTF-8 date +"%d %B %Y" -d "2015-01-01"
> 01 Ιανουαρίου 2015

> 
> In Greek language things are different and complex compared to
> English. We have accents (τόνους) for most words and words are not
> fixed but can dynamically change depending on context.
> When the month is accompanied by a day of month the accent (Greek
> tonos/τόνος) changes and ...ος becomes ...ου. To fix this, use the
> correct translations for months, if and only if %B
>  and %d are used together. If the month is called with no day (%d)
> using "%B" or if the month is called with "%d %b" or "%b" leave the
> translations as they are.

What should REALLY happen is that libc's strftime(3) (which is what
date(1) uses under the hood - the % modifiers are the same) should
support something like %OB to trigger a locale's alternative
representation, as the %O modifier is already used for other locales
that have different displays.

But right now, POSIX says %OB is undefined behavior (look for the
section on Modified Conversion Specifiers):
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/strftime.html

and on glibc, it does nothing:

$ LC_TIME=el_GR.UTF-8 date +"%d %OB %Y" -d "2015-12-01"
01 %OB 2015

I guess what it boils down to is that when defining a locale, the
existing 'era', 'era_d_format', 'era_t_format', and 'era_d_t_format'
affect existing %E uses, and 'alt_digits' affects existing %O uses
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap07.html#tag_07_03_05

and the ideal solution would be adding a new locale file entry for
'alt_months' that would then let %OB provide the locale's alternate
month names.  Then you could write your string as "%d %OB %Y" to get the
grammatically correct output.

> Since there are many computer-science oriented Greek universities and
> so many Greeks around the world, we are amazed that no one fixed it so
> far.
> We must also inform you that this silly bug of yours has been seen in webpages.

Coreutils will automatically pick up any fixes in glibc, you'll need to
get it fixed there first.  It would be nice to get POSIX to standardize
%OB, but that would be easier if you could first get glibc to implement
the solution to show that it makes sense.

-- 
Eric Blake   eblake redhat com    +1-919-301-3266
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