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In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.4 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.12.2) of 2015-02-07 on axl Repository revision: 7eb2077f9dd14ae9d70a12c621151afd50ea6e96 Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11601901 System Description: Ubuntu 14.10 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 21 09:48:29 2015 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2015 13:48:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55124 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHXuG-0003ZC-P3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 09:48:28 -0400 Received: from mail-wi0-f171.google.com ([209.85.212.171]:34668) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHXuF-0003Yv-0j for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 09:48:27 -0400 Received: by wibud3 with SMTP id ud3so114806554wib.1 for <19853@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 06:48:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/bmW1/dW2Aiel+foiVgOOev8TAX0M+vLnT+z/HSlnCg=; b=FGm6fj7Auq2xruAN6xka6ud46/pZ7J80Eny8IbqUaPGAxhFIqZ0cv7cFzSifXYw+mG /u5gOWZ7B13IEvw5rKXISBrgKvOD8ycF75CcaY/QGgAl3TyW6idqcZ7lwBpOLf56nc6p 3A/ezHz/HjqjpCSTVskDMdYapLoP52UXjwvPlQ2mDmVExZ2EB1sR+xYEER6EQFenqiWq i9YarDLD8NI6QmbccOq/EUlbLq3b/gLVuq6dZz7bruNidRo/+I3byYNg8IQeOyckJuAv u4CGj3ZisY8v9+i3B+MEeHIXOEMXdDOpeRtsTchY18/LWK6x2R/iIIH28O/pClkVkyzU 9kUw== X-Received: by 10.180.21.244 with SMTP id y20mr31812571wie.65.1437486501169; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 06:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.185] (static-nbl2-118.cytanet.com.cy. [212.31.107.118]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id wx9sm25596756wjb.6.2015.07.21.06.48.19 for <19853@debbugs.gnu.org> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 21 Jul 2015 06:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) To: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 16:48:18 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Why is global-eldoc-mode a separate mode, instead of being a "globalized" eldoc-mode? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 20 06:01:09 2016 Received: (at 19853-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 10:01:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54156 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahaAX-00065t-IV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 06:01:09 -0400 Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:38927) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahaAW-00065g-93 for 19853-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 06:01:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314B4A2FC3F; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 11:01:05 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gdCKPIq0Ao7o; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 11:01:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (98-171.echostar.pl [213.156.98.171]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 22F14A2FC3E; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 11:00:59 +0100 (CET) From: Marcin Borkowski To: Dmitry Gutov , Help Gnu Emacs mailing list Subject: eldoc-mode vs. global-eldoc-mode (was: bug#19853) References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 11:00:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Tue, 21 Jul 2015 16:48:18 +0300") Message-ID: <87r3f5eaei.fsf_-_@mbork.pl> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853-done Cc: 19853-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On 2015-07-21, at 17:48, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > Why is global-eldoc-mode a separate mode, instead of being > a "globalized" eldoc-mode? This is a good question, and I'd like to know the rationale for the existence of both of them, too. I'm forwarding it to help-gnu-emacs and closing the bug at ths same time. Best, -- Marcin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 20 08:41:44 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 12:41:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54244 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahcfw-0006iT-0i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 08:41:44 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f48.google.com ([74.125.82.48]:35202) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahcfu-0006iE-FZ for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 08:41:42 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f48.google.com with SMTP id l68so79354113wml.0 for <19853@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 05:41:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=45VGToDi9K7gQJcZNp3gqbOkTv2MX0qUUHwQQK7btYM=; b=bmdPSLsSMqEG3pczGkaj4z67Lwkxjc8YLhzLDKIET91AsGamBfm7BCAwzuwKrP67Hn tpiJCKjKvUrU2en1ncKUkmeAKvL7JGi/W0O6mlI8vXb/5OThDK24/4LVN7ljp623m9FZ tFa2hHink60HOqgEaIbzlvn4PqsSQ1MFDViweAgwESAqksQKE7FUsBIUPiyrPxV1gRz0 XaESzhql+0uz3ANHPZUKLcbtUlzYdmzZ1kHjk3KGwILXGOubI84SyNBi6xnbf8cM+p9V jX/HyrUueFi9aaXoNuGchiXJFJ5VhR8XV5QBhqh6URT8oV5vpTB/1JH45CTcH1Rld+vO iu1A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=45VGToDi9K7gQJcZNp3gqbOkTv2MX0qUUHwQQK7btYM=; b=ZHZ02zAxzztUkxcAlpXkdV+yDhf8v8ErF8oatNjfzWO4YIdVRXDY38Lfgj+I3MhJoc I5syul4GzCBEAmWPEsl77Nxave0Q58i4f03Ihtpq8Y4OPc34khChXCF4u5GCtyVJGdcd 3Qo+YkpH8oFEDGbUB4dQ1n/CnB+8F7ZS/8UXOU25lRoYi2CtHAWZYKu/F7mJdGmWno0S XoPNHOva6YFBmwkmxeFlo5EE73gcwGmrMaTJPXanLPxY6a+bFqkIDlB8npbDwNtwuVp8 vi0OOIZkvUi6lOum1fIyEn5VZgxAN6QerEmJ2Pv38d9qgstNvTnxs6Ogs8kzx1+cXeX6 MjGA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIGP3ZOUJ7gcbp9g52vYgM6UMLSuUCrzDQ5IfGvO7geCglweGcWcwzdoDQf0fNiTw== X-Received: by 10.194.59.233 with SMTP id c9mr24047040wjr.88.1458477696903; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 05:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id w125sm7677830wmw.18.2016.03.20.05.41.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Mar 2016 05:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#19853: eldoc-mode vs. global-eldoc-mode To: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org, mbork@mbork.pl References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87r3f5eaei.fsf_-_@mbork.pl> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <7ca1594a-db37-a960-f43b-52ee9e77bbfe@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:41:34 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87r3f5eaei.fsf_-_@mbork.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 03/20/2016 12:00 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > closing the bug at ths same time. What made you decide it's not a bug? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 20 09:18:02 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 13:18:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54287 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahdF4-0000rg-2F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 09:18:02 -0400 Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:43701) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahdF2-0000rH-92 for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 09:18:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44651A30CD7; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:17:58 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H1KfzSjqPzT9; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:17:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (98-171.echostar.pl [213.156.98.171]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D6C2EA30CD5; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:17:55 +0100 (CET) References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87r3f5eaei.fsf_-_@mbork.pl> <7ca1594a-db37-a960-f43b-52ee9e77bbfe@yandex.ru> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.13; emacs 25.1.50.7 From: Marcin Borkowski To: Dmitry Gutov Subject: Re: bug#19853: eldoc-mode vs. global-eldoc-mode In-reply-to: <7ca1594a-db37-a960-f43b-52ee9e77bbfe@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:17:51 +0100 Message-ID: <87lh5de1a8.fsf@mbork.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On 2016-03-20, at 13:41, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > On 03/20/2016 12:00 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > >> closing the bug at ths same time. > > What made you decide it's not a bug? The fact that apparently this behavior is consistent with the docs, so it looks like a feature (though the intentions behind it remain mysterious to me). Also, the fact that if at any point you or I decide that this is a bug indeed, reopening it can be done in 30 seconds. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 20 09:25:17 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 13:25:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54293 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahdM4-00016R-R2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 09:25:17 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f46.google.com ([74.125.82.46]:33148) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahdM2-00016F-Jr for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 09:25:14 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f46.google.com with SMTP id l68so122574786wml.0 for <19853@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 06:25:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UaWdkOYRa430RY2nrE5Fevvgbb0JcOqM0Dyj3EHswM8=; b=pYp057BflO0XEbuygCTa3qss854WOPWOQt/eEFMGO4m/r9B1taH22cnqcnhDKv1VOw 9XbclSdZtP0wugJX3FapegxlQopV+w8g1BpGcpXmIkc6RmGhB7ayNcoDf88aKbYp1Z2D 8po8upqItZ8ze6xDNKUitzQQq6dCfnfOjl222isEuK6vlBLFh6DKsVXQ59xO/l/TCm0E qDffrpovq6GKHVA8ALFvKBy6swAW/224LQuEh1izF+dIRzMQv6NDWfYdvKLBy5bT6lN1 brcdpRhKRT89gEI4IZVgNwrjKHRwhhjou59IBWK35CZkDhOGtY12cIWoJEteSAECwiJu QAug== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UaWdkOYRa430RY2nrE5Fevvgbb0JcOqM0Dyj3EHswM8=; b=Hh1+8cH9eWSoLteC7TmZJVx0d4B0hdnha4SMsXI3eq9ryXaeprFGE8Rb2jKlhQ2gxB tF/LoII0klvbzo0TuxlIFwI71PB3ADIEp5eD4hUYB3NR+T6yFZy2v+J2CiRnU/fNN+fO ydYknbABB93uWwmm5k9R3nhI+YIDg2POcoFxa54SUgRA7JXYHJfld7TmIMs1hhBfCOIY /th7LW94AzAYYflAH3s3xm+Yoh0ZuOoeOFrLfydWPHH9TKiOV8LIRkyVKMrwbQhvVxvY aneC8HXEH6axNQxvS9GDTIgIRJkl09yBV20o2+koBS/DhFtNCfZk4u+R7H1JF+yNquzO Gw1g== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKqPOZj2Xs0WRhlN71+hycNVv8W+MQ5wFxPsOKtPnxRh7ih+W1cb0SWhbuhHywYpA== X-Received: by 10.28.129.7 with SMTP id c7mr8283151wmd.11.1458480309105; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 06:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id v188sm7797159wmv.3.2016.03.20.06.25.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Mar 2016 06:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#19853: eldoc-mode vs. global-eldoc-mode To: Marcin Borkowski References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87r3f5eaei.fsf_-_@mbork.pl> <7ca1594a-db37-a960-f43b-52ee9e77bbfe@yandex.ru> <87lh5de1a8.fsf@mbork.pl> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <1f08400e-6ce4-7620-f389-1b86c3518cc4@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:25:05 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87lh5de1a8.fsf@mbork.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 03/20/2016 03:17 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > The fact that apparently this behavior is consistent with the docs, so > it looks like a feature (though the intentions behind it remain > mysterious to me). Which docs? global-eldoc-mode's docstring says "Enable ‘eldoc-mode’ in all buffers where it’s applicable.", which is not what it does. > Also, the fact that if at any point you or I decide > that this is a bug indeed, reopening it can be done in 30 seconds. Until enough time passes that it's archived and forgotten. It's clear that it's not high priority, but it still seems like something we'd want to fix. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 20 10:14:59 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 14:14:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55630 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahe8A-0002lq-TT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 10:14:59 -0400 Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:45393) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahe89-0002lj-Qi for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 10:14:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC2DA31053; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:14:55 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XwX3VhwJfppN; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:14:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (98-171.echostar.pl [213.156.98.171]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B63CFA31052; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:14:51 +0100 (CET) References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87r3f5eaei.fsf_-_@mbork.pl> <7ca1594a-db37-a960-f43b-52ee9e77bbfe@yandex.ru> <87lh5de1a8.fsf@mbork.pl> <1f08400e-6ce4-7620-f389-1b86c3518cc4@yandex.ru> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.13; emacs 25.1.50.7 From: Marcin Borkowski To: Dmitry Gutov Subject: Re: bug#19853: eldoc-mode vs. global-eldoc-mode In-reply-to: <1f08400e-6ce4-7620-f389-1b86c3518cc4@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:14:51 +0100 Message-ID: <87io0hdyn8.fsf@mbork.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On 2016-03-20, at 14:25, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > On 03/20/2016 03:17 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > >> The fact that apparently this behavior is consistent with the docs, so >> it looks like a feature (though the intentions behind it remain >> mysterious to me). > > Which docs? global-eldoc-mode's docstring says "Enable ‘eldoc-mode’ in > all buffers where it’s applicable.", which is not what it does. The manual. (info "(emacs) Lisp Doc") >> Also, the fact that if at any point you or I decide >> that this is a bug indeed, reopening it can be done in 30 seconds. > > Until enough time passes that it's archived and forgotten. It's clear > that it's not high priority, but it still seems like something we'd want > to fix. OK, I'll write it down that if no-one confirms that this is intended and reasonable within a week, I'm reopening it. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 20 13:09:05 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 17:09:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55769 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahgqf-0000QN-2a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 13:09:05 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f46.google.com ([74.125.82.46]:33254) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahgqe-0000Pv-Bm for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 13:09:04 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f46.google.com with SMTP id l68so126531532wml.0 for <19853@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 10:09:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=X8oj/ngd0NqsbaAd8BkAhbFuRCOI0D/YQwxGTKMnhvo=; b=DE70Nk+sAxNGne3nRqoUThw3GS4enYpipJk7xid0+bvXpcmWWAYdcD4QHp6JOlePe8 3LURrNzwuI7WsheEnGRhHHmqtQwloQ8XQXyfJS+SBKjeKBm0brjwZfEciMtpge4xVg7v JMp5XYhfaPltlzHmU6cIjOvFHeDhcw2T4MA3YOx+iI4WKG88qL6k9h08dbUfHtSZ4stS +72/NVaLFIOywrJnVGhlQasCfoQ0/+NYZUzyhL6A2uUGOOII5mLLWnPezARExixHiiGr KuybBHTZqewJcNeYKaiMXDBXeRBGCLcXpcvP+SFwzqa+Z7rYZZXBxTlDTONIaDljTiWq LJKA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=X8oj/ngd0NqsbaAd8BkAhbFuRCOI0D/YQwxGTKMnhvo=; b=XIvTXlPX9K8n22QncbuZ03knxscfZ0n6KqUXQOWqQiFyE7dcvng0RKnnEmU8Zq0c5S b3Ul/GU8yGMhtGGDqQFoCl22ZaiYZvPXRsVtgXB2s/SLg6srb14k1pbtPgkJawpw/OdD DHaio2breoXYyJ3+C8sPA92W/D8tk1/WHNBXItW7M2GTjnVqcqNE7wnvLedCq/ews+Z2 W2yiwmTHAK4z9U5myuOjA7lVYETWNHrv6X087KrLr/923OIgBjR3TQNUb+ZKH6aqvIkm XjuSFn9nsoEYUl/RH86Vi+Es7Gx8bK9msdkMZtZ9UBya/rYLc29bJ56ZH/aTO6Zu1RlW fnYQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLpgsbArzWgddgKXXasbZQiKdSXsXW4ArfdZyTPuQhzhY9BhyR7MZEFXbb2NkfA5Q== X-Received: by 10.194.77.15 with SMTP id o15mr29300726wjw.41.1458493738727; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 10:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id t3sm21461893wjz.11.2016.03.20.10.08.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Mar 2016 10:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#19853: eldoc-mode vs. global-eldoc-mode To: Marcin Borkowski References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87r3f5eaei.fsf_-_@mbork.pl> <7ca1594a-db37-a960-f43b-52ee9e77bbfe@yandex.ru> <87lh5de1a8.fsf@mbork.pl> <1f08400e-6ce4-7620-f389-1b86c3518cc4@yandex.ru> <87io0hdyn8.fsf@mbork.pl> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 19:08:56 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87io0hdyn8.fsf@mbork.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 03/20/2016 04:14 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >> Which docs? global-eldoc-mode's docstring says "Enable ‘eldoc-mode’ in >> all buffers where it’s applicable.", which is not what it does. > > The manual. > > (info "(emacs) Lisp Doc") It doesn't seem like it states conclusively whether global-eldoc-mode toggles eldoc-mode. > OK, I'll write it down that if no-one confirms that this is intended and > reasonable within a week, I'm reopening it. Great, thanks! From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 20 14:21:42 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 18:21:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55798 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahhyw-00026M-N8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:21:42 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.11]:53806) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahhyu-00026B-Vb for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:21:41 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.27]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lj2Dy-1a4W8m2LLq-00dBg3; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 19:21:34 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Dmitry Gutov Subject: Re: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 19:21:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Tue, 21 Jul 2015 16:48:18 +0300") Message-ID: <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:RSV/1n6pTr48wqgNBYBhsbLo0ik94yDp7gepasbmxOo8hKz8F3Y V2uoBaEsfKGIG9DMmoRwD3HCshKdtpKXCVUKPtrUzhdVPJOIrpGepFkIk/hLctXs5ph15Sb gWOWIMxPSqCma7B/QqdNIU6ITMwWYknWr/EN+DhxNmP4B59y7A6LSscC2tB8Moz6zRiVjry xFhUvAqynxKfegJ0MeEBA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:DR47eLa+Vfs=:UJO2pru4Komh7yxpXwxmgD SH5VPlWPfn2p9ikdWHJvLdcUzlK/DjLfv7wvIq2ZTXeAWU3OJ0xqdW9J1EbYbVSAmf3N/1f5U dZ26bkYYc2Z/ooLrfO3LnW0JETUR2bCrBPVT4/pyR7pgaSfpmQ7r67uRXFGomaZX/+zODJrOr hBoJ4cnBAy7u97eWE4R6Ahsc2IOHFb1scD9d09Oqmslm5Me7FeeBn2f+cbbKX+piD5EAiosx2 s9baUUhvDAq02FVA7z9k65C+ihHCv15ku2Mxkr4fPqEyYrVE6we9UppxFPM+TAed/eL8wcIS5 tsfxVI9UowaX3Je5MoHZpmrFEwF8sbUbhh0tU96wF8MB3291wsc0COl5ViJISufjuvuvdsTzG bblz7oeKPdjqTw6lSkV7l4KgJRJbg8pm3gm7Tw5HuFGePzaQoqcVdMHmoAmM+/sTq8bl2mfpA VzznlehVmtRrhABvxpeJNDsApJ9BaCRHDfC2+6u9O5IadzRDNEmgOoQf4+H++KbRFS9CqcuJK 63dM/lrRGF69/3ubCqkPcBLNRq8C3Hk0d7CxO5VY3H3oO1UPGWsaBgKuILA96ErpkWfDoXS/v Tr8FjyEWwSc8NydwxLkqWh44ZLFE8bSW1CGK1g+Z3oJuIiuouNfDnR/ftpNVhQiuZgZwfcCU4 ZzCGNbXYPutj7v8Il177pfk4HTvh9VdVK4VYD5U6Evx1EuI6hEik3ji2FFKrWraQjVn1gflCz ke3U4J/i1N1YZL/GqIonSwC2n2pfTQB+8MaXgYCe9s0XIxwRlQGwrbjjq5+LdJJaHjdrBk3H4 +oQU+ER X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Dmitry Gutov writes: > Why is global-eldoc-mode a separate mode, instead of being a > "globalized" eldoc-mode? I think it's simpler that way: `global-eldoc-mode' adds its stuff to the global hook bindings. Thus toggling the global mode has an instant effect on all buffers. The globalized local eldoc mode would only have an effect in new buffers or after changing the major mode. What exactly is this bug report about (this question, or the statement in the subject, for which you didn't provide a recipe)? Regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 20 14:25:28 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 18:25:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55802 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahi2a-0002C1-6U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:25:28 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f43.google.com ([74.125.82.43]:35670) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahi2Y-0002Bl-Or for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:25:27 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f43.google.com with SMTP id l68so85614926wml.0 for <19853@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 11:25:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qsiXMJScOwHaMICuL3RSbnls3uXuK+L1ZfvFxUD2eYA=; b=BecJcMX9YZZMbkOekGHAc6PhuFrJQS36MHh0uqfabTWYy+Nv8SFxSNoANSgeoQTf0h 0uxwngSh2IKtTxEI8+sjvDPpDgk/QZ64twgtfQgdEt44dkRi489WNCfmaUKrtM+OWXGJ CDNmSn26KxZT0G93XaDgkZzuCqWVB0Hb/BAg/wR30aptN2EwGbbarnV9nAnZQ7K+777b SSHbvFRisyyqP4qvpmyriCV9YFGmJnW80ODqpsaMk6+A+hfefoGlaBYkhSPE7ORz/qXM 52UVx4kcRpO65UzCgwxPQoKL0y9CSAYy3RMomMF37KQKAAfzdGRgPWJowypITHnxQ7++ jzpw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qsiXMJScOwHaMICuL3RSbnls3uXuK+L1ZfvFxUD2eYA=; b=eE+xpUINL88enDRKIn4gm5E3mwy86peW5Kg/jzRqYlX0pc5vnwkQdV+y0RES95FgI4 tihNe/vfOpqQQncRQW5RYifRuCYpeeFJxJ4BpeNnQDR6ieEyYLSf0ttEJvkG2FVwjmic AspN8baMuTar6ObiFIitEbKM0aOWTO45MDptKXa2TXUEcnPQV7bdQBQIYcSaFS0sszr4 B3NVjlludC/nZU3eOEE5z6aY0Y4WJDewPQgjaFlIvLO9HYdeXJS7sekwa2PeNameIdF7 YRgk5ZSdR/S3q83wBl03ny/D51iZi54B/iRml3RKuO99DVSQxHvOl3di49aj+SpZV+4h gc7Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKi6/TKFDTVgIbFE7imf12ikDVJsS5JauId5+dxCqGop9mgCY8lyTh4hwpt1fEKVQ== X-Received: by 10.194.176.129 with SMTP id ci1mr11258322wjc.166.1458498321078; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 11:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id cb2sm21805216wjc.16.2016.03.20.11.25.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Mar 2016 11:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) To: Michael Heerdegen References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:25:11 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 03/20/2016 08:21 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > I think it's simpler that way: `global-eldoc-mode' adds its stuff to the > global hook bindings. Thus toggling the global mode has an instant > effect on all buffers. The globalized local eldoc mode would only have > an effect in new buffers or after changing the major mode. That's not true: turning off a globalized mode turns off the related minor mode in all buffers. So, instant effect as well. The current implementation, however, is not "simpler": both modes set up hooks. For some reasons, they also do that in slightly different ways. > What exactly is this bug report about (this question, or the statement > in the subject, for which you didn't provide a recipe)? I did provide a recipe, in the bug description. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 20 14:34:31 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 18:34:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55806 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahiBL-0002W4-24 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:34:31 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:65421) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahiBJ-0002Vq-S2 for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:34:30 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.27]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MejSy-1aSFjL2ytc-00OHGC; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 19:34:23 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Dmitry Gutov Subject: Re: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 19:34:22 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:25:11 +0200") Message-ID: <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:xwuLqVtZuW37UZgQ2vAUAX4dPHVabVOt/biOgFL94gJA99CiGaT 4kNn56bkfL6ROvvoR3wGWHft2BYB0q+dDukYzRwn2SUGyYeH2ICbLQ9LiAC+lAE+rNckzj+ zQY/DJvd9TiPQjvaivE3qFSlO6+Q62BHYF2F8scG/5vx0sIRgb7Ff8u/WWgOY9s5/pUtf+6 SQFND99B78XXqULapzcow== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:dDUcpOGGRXs=:H8dGespLT/HihDJC/g7Ocm 8QVhBwsF+LofLyHZcxDSgRZAWY1qm6QTfX2C/T4TnyIMaics8VIaUuWVvz5cvydD9apAjbLuX WBKprL6bP3Upl4BDH8gnz5EiNeVk4sPNfoIdJXwjBI/fe75bTt/7R3zfFUjZua229jFIjAfjn WckCgt6IfNfStlxm4tuYNkVlCIYGTevzJYyaT70FjjxaKNWf7hwJ02B9cLJrp2XQL0+Ot87tA zWOthY0nTRTAUqDJLTKgmAF0CVyvtKPOWd3WDZI9fpYW9OxL1RM8LAwvjlZXCeKbHuKEOwQ7A VZy6D1ji7c3D1UFb5xZDWuFRUYrVXa3G4awGTD3IP7Ld4oQEs61QO5SDj02G9vkfkTxIF4lQn hTqhIjJhPC2bu3eNTXVC02C0qHYl3tEPg6hR7orfGgcp3dwZrtT8E9xIVZHOQq218AoX80SqJ J39zpDbvKXgJYiuyktivuQ8WWJeCiyrJ1b2Sn1ZXEqbKn9um+Wz+bcygIL8gy46esP+89o9eX VFsjHWqUKwUnsTgyPrwBsJkrc7+7pcNEzSDfbtWW0dIcNv9vwSqsN+EDx5C4hhWd/+N15oDkK oNdO/eZuXCPH4fFhF7wXgGi3Jg3udZf2abot0EPHk9U4Lufz97Ap/Nr3v2ja9qcwVaS4yFWQm o6Z+Eswh49ZT0hLjUPVvsG6We75h8HzFWOZRwxYmRIy9VQXL9VKPijkCo6NAqZFR+SI78ww7A ZOaQqhUV/m6hJCqyBQilVtkH8msw4k1vtwoRhVNdDKYUJmEHUozwbgCEay8R3qvpESgWFZR6k 4XhP+pQ X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 03/20/2016 08:21 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > > > I think it's simpler that way: `global-eldoc-mode' adds its stuff to the > > global hook bindings. Thus toggling the global mode has an instant > > effect on all buffers. The globalized local eldoc mode would only have > > an effect in new buffers or after changing the major mode. > > That's not true: turning off a globalized mode turns off the related > minor mode in all buffers. So, instant effect as well. Right, but turning on is different, right? > The current implementation, however, is not "simpler": both modes set > up hooks. For some reasons, they also do that in slightly different > ways. I mean, conceptually simpler (slightly). But that's surely a matter of taste. > > What exactly is this bug report about (this question, or the > > statement in the subject, for which you didn't provide a recipe)? > > I did provide a recipe, in the bug description. I thought you mean a lighter, but you mean the effect of eldoc mode: echoing in the echo area with "ElDoc is displayed", correct? I see that too in emacs -Q, but global-eldoc-mode is on by default, so this is expected. You get eldoc echoing when either the local mode is turned on for this buffer, or the global mode (and the current buffer is treated by the global mode). Don't you see this, or do think this behavior is wrong? Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 20 14:52:43 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 18:52:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55810 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahiSx-00032i-L0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:52:43 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f50.google.com ([74.125.82.50]:34658) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahiSw-00032U-FX for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:52:42 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f50.google.com with SMTP id p65so128446831wmp.1 for <19853@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 11:52:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jgQpxzk+sS7FOyUS1p+F9j9kPYrKYsWFhF7oGBDS2Dk=; b=S8HSL07wrzFQ9TdfpxdjxH01cNYKh+moUonKY09Z6vNzDedJHAVz/IzSvn/7OpPrWw QOPj64j0xx2IpOBr/v7IfeHV/D28Trfa+1rgeOd+OxWhOlbxW3srkzUNgShtzhlQxbg0 G+9qJ1egajMK4orcardsZOxFUVYfeWio7RZvOu1e5wRAvpf5g8573/K2aBWx9LCvtJHn WTwzB0WsV7mzydCgwnTowW8XJr4CfmOd4+Ya4xHWwMAd0xL3+Xm9wY5BEatvbBr3AHkf +TUWR7qEMBh1JEd5zFPHPN1QTUu6xojv3ZazurU33GTNjbxI31QzXwzX+zmMLuZBLbBh TiAA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jgQpxzk+sS7FOyUS1p+F9j9kPYrKYsWFhF7oGBDS2Dk=; b=lwfpz30M+oVOH7GUFr9Z7BGLgtaYWHjRKf8XsPzQ2wCndrG32ZOzKE9c4ERImlhO2D 4M8pGnzWNU9bGRGE6mjOHuPVFGFxj3p6ss7cRgzqRyx4HMYF1tjajOrcobSeZcyGFbMs bZLUEkXA/rE/sVgsbUTGeqoxeKM50MCSteTVgf7VOAK0GS5ESGy8Gl+zHIBXMjCV+rmy OQAf7mfKUZkwvDIfyWbEyb3RPeZ47h6H0Yd6qSnoaJpqvEBviXuX1nMaIWvPq+mThGFL Tp27eQer1dteM2TwF9wz2N7TqydFoNoEhH4eoZAGPGhmz1qeKPvtChO3YCLFNax6HYTh gJWA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIXiYGufiXftRtlycRXPcy0pRE9At0YVRxori8+xYe+N2feST3DPLZjXs3GT2Y2cQ== X-Received: by 10.194.48.111 with SMTP id k15mr29517976wjn.103.1458499956886; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 11:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id c128sm8898435wma.11.2016.03.20.11.52.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Mar 2016 11:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) To: Michael Heerdegen References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <7be513e7-2d38-1e78-46f6-03ca17d58f90@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:52:33 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 03/20/2016 08:34 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: >> That's not true: turning off a globalized mode turns off the related >> minor mode in all buffers. So, instant effect as well. > > Right, but turning on is different, right? Different how? > I mean, conceptually simpler (slightly). But that's surely a matter of > taste. I wouldn't call that kind of duplication simpler. >>> What exactly is this bug report about (this question, or the >>> statement in the subject, for which you didn't provide a recipe)? >> >> I did provide a recipe, in the bug description. > > I thought you mean a lighter, but you mean the effect of eldoc mode: > echoing in the echo area with "ElDoc is displayed", correct? In the echo area, but not "ElDoc is displayed" (is there such a message anywhere?). > I see that too in emacs -Q, but global-eldoc-mode is on by default, so > this is expected. You get eldoc echoing when either the local mode is > turned on for this buffer, or the global mode (and the current buffer is > treated by the global mode). Don't you see this, or do think this > behavior is wrong? I see this, and I think it is wrong: - The behavior is surprising if you're used to globalized minor modes. - There's no way to have ElDoc enabled by default, but disable it in just certain buffers. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 20 15:20:36 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 19:20:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55837 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahitw-0003iB-CF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:20:36 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]:57113) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahitu-0003hu-6W for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:20:34 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.27]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MCqsR-1aYbwe3dq7-009g6c; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:20:28 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Dmitry Gutov Subject: Re: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> <7be513e7-2d38-1e78-46f6-03ca17d58f90@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:20:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: <7be513e7-2d38-1e78-46f6-03ca17d58f90@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:52:33 +0200") Message-ID: <87oaa9klc5.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:ff5yu37xHT0dLOzDCdmJU4pgezukPO4e9ooyRecxc2UbmdsOKy5 hdjAvvHVodYYbU6Pk0o17L5WLlY3dRUyAAUPejXWiLFXDxRuSCSBWqzm2mfi0Gy10aWHbhx Unu0tTMUfu+zQgSqwZtgFYyHl3Qp0rd/Jo56nGIXRwJRzFDJx38CLGWGyIJaPHGzYrGkuIm n2cGy9c+7y005OPqWUVgA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:1xqXED4+O1I=:PrR3htwgB/gIv7nEuKFpUf NNJZMRrkIY0RI8V892ooBMLDRy6ulCx5hEtFh+FFZiqTbLIm+eYpgqKKbv3+5LlWXtQf3irZF tJ26rgs6e73hGiX5CYKtcgAUSwsqKCQLGzBnQhpg2plYJ6wqXwLcXSK7PppoAf/tedRCQ+tX9 8Z6S3WsPxLTPpvlYuTUKMH1ouPcnpoDZslIeluusMScMiS3NMaLmNUqSfk0momEmWjGIR//bY HjxpHXdKTNP4o1X41mNP9fxJsgGNCQ1u+qHxhDhpQ4IiznZkjjF8PllmX3End8Yv5tIooiTAD r8WgxVQNrm6UcVdhYvFVxkBsnMCkykYxIhMOQsWOhFCAWuQIcbTNznfA8tb0rsIFwpk1kqrAP 0lQFpsYpzzmdewXxsY/guNXhToVf4c1gP0q28gWeYPqRO/QjA+PKsYai5kkCachGzluR4GKun 0wq4YuQe5If9PgQehIXP/Ma+ZmToN37WXdXA0m7ZpmZEKZqpFGn8ssNho5JKn1WT8IfsvAaWC bLfxH7OIe6rQjOfeFpVcz8LzFJvI5PIfKgaozOvj2WWbQWcBD4HvnbLsKh77boaA5X29nsjg5 Y5B5Ru5AihhrO7KjZr/xSZHpcajth2alr6rIgHGUlLkxqnSIaXnx7hIRCndyglNQa4KLqg6xT oYbH0N2xdxZtgBnjeZZIvhnUuoP++P40YyXI+67cEZarVSDD/YnWYzryQff0F5DsjOTS4Hn6j mdGSUi0DqomrL7XTlL1PvwLDh5OeGAKbF75gEoeksjtg12h/zIdUqsqb15FeiB1kyazBdpQ5c KaOb8WM X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 03/20/2016 08:34 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > > >> That's not true: turning off a globalized mode turns off the related > >> minor mode in all buffers. So, instant effect as well. > > > > Right, but turning on is different, right? > > Different how? Turning on the globalized local hook would not have an immediate effect on the affected buffers I think. > >> I did provide a recipe, in the bug description. > > > > I thought you mean a lighter, but you mean the effect of eldoc mode: > > echoing in the echo area with "ElDoc is displayed", correct? > > In the echo area, but not "ElDoc is displayed" (is there such a > message anywhere?). Yes, in your recipe in the bug description. My question was what you meant with that. > - The behavior is surprising if you're used to globalized minor modes. What behavior do you mean, apart from the next point? > - There's no way to have ElDoc enabled by default, but disable it in > just certain buffers. That's a valid point, the current implementation doesn't cover this case. I think (setq-local global-eldoc-mode nil) should work, but it looks weird, and it should not be necessary to modify a variable after we already have two modes. Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 20 15:27:19 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 19:27:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55841 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahj0R-0003s2-3W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:27:19 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f43.google.com ([74.125.82.43]:37022) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahj0P-0003rn-MZ for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:27:18 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f43.google.com with SMTP id p65so98965159wmp.0 for <19853@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 12:27:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ex6i9ys/nt8Z/UP4XsblsKy8UpgDt8dKWwSmyBeGYZ4=; b=BAi53N3Xma0jesbHNufSK7PVQUmyA9JfUJi15cc5iNQEbjaLsLG/gdQrsQIlcVnxz3 tsibKGBjrW7117M+8B68H/p8gQGCcZ4w+k0PmABhz59/zmMR1NIGIJweFXsYCh0kbFg7 yCij4AYOHMNXg40TlBL6mUNlABB9QV/IRsaFo3M87UT8Wkd502Nhciw2RUYsLTlwqFOQ Tj6ch8c0A2l/c9xCB3O0KpnyGEaUV0h66ECUexS/tNKcxW2b/ib2hKrlQALupWEu12LQ I9NCyU/eD4yh3mWOw7itceQAzi543bal+J8ZKzV4qlYikDh/oaxZbZml/ATPf1jtQJWq F6HA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ex6i9ys/nt8Z/UP4XsblsKy8UpgDt8dKWwSmyBeGYZ4=; b=gNyJdBhu/VBMmXQeXJ3G0daF2Whb8pyiuUXhg05DL5RSPEDpOrsUFFSQGFKzZYTHdl fP4WPv2U/PDanxwgM2iMjgkRXmciOBHUzxSng0afZyuKNQCKrwEmLAyCHfxK7FjTe9Hg HGehu9mIR51+Dq9Tav9lxGQXlQknUp2GhrdD6Nt1m7rQMW1PswTRUKZ9Ek4c5yuQZ3I/ me6GjoZxkaAfFXRWbrfVsplMJFm95dHgCyy8lDB8bC0ixnaWMAJ3c0NGRZ+GAI/VhXVo rOWtAWMv6gp78Aff61doGEYHoLey5VycKXbn3+D+31VNPSkIOLTeHQUVh1wz2yo73uof 5Kig== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIoOq/8Iog2Sltg00eiKy0b5gqjSjHqmmQ/q4hg7rujHsa7JeH4aae7ZYanN9jESA== X-Received: by 10.28.34.69 with SMTP id i66mr10224059wmi.91.1458502032196; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 12:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id js8sm21840989wjc.37.2016.03.20.12.27.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Mar 2016 12:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) To: Michael Heerdegen References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> <7be513e7-2d38-1e78-46f6-03ca17d58f90@yandex.ru> <87oaa9klc5.fsf@web.de> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 21:27:09 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87oaa9klc5.fsf@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 03/20/2016 09:20 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Turning on the globalized local hook would not have an immediate effect > on the affected buffers I think. Not sure what you mean. Globalized local hook? If globalized mode was off, and you turn it on, it turns on the local mode in all relevant buffers, right away. Just try it with e.g. global-font-lock-mode. > Yes, in your recipe in the bug description. My question was what you > meant with that. Displaying, or not displaying, function signatures in the echo area. >> - The behavior is surprising if you're used to globalized minor modes. > > What behavior do you mean, apart from the next point? Compare with font-lock-mode and global-font-lock-mode. > That's a valid point, the current implementation doesn't cover this > case. I think > > (setq-local global-eldoc-mode nil) > > should work, but it looks weird, and it should not be necessary to > modify a variable after we already have two modes. Yes, it looks silly, and might even break some expectations of the minor mode machinery. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 20 15:54:05 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 19:54:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55880 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahjQL-0004Wz-9I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:54:05 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:64727) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahjQJ-0004W1-FZ for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:54:03 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.27]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MgIMg-1aSn230Ses-00NioE; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:53:57 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Dmitry Gutov Subject: Re: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> <7be513e7-2d38-1e78-46f6-03ca17d58f90@yandex.ru> <87oaa9klc5.fsf@web.de> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:53:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Sun, 20 Mar 2016 21:27:09 +0200") Message-ID: <87k2kxkjsc.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:S9mZ6jcoVQ0KlOH++a/gOMCQUvR2vPyMw287uNSLiF8PmvhRsFE 9L8jsQ1SBFBm93Ft7O8jhJGrUTQQ2YmWRLlY2aQfrrGzgLoekeaME5gu3e+U1cY2ATheUro YvHM0XH3AyXAwb9aF5hsAbTomSBI21GfV59j9ehIgdtLeArOI8m3YKJ45vc23ju85cVZD6O ctyscVRc07DhyTQgtV5WQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:FjT/16oUDAc=:EaPjZhGcC9uqamUP0fNm6U qyXn8+pGYvTG/GwUl498uUOeuKfh+o0vvUFUXS9JwhvOnxpP0Rr+1yw+8t60AdY32c5LKJge+ I5fW3M826At4KRDyraYU8e3V4gF+AREn49bd8PJG5QLfo0XIPYCyf1Qif/u9SrjeD96e3g0z9 eNC70Z1wPVggLT0uoYDdWas66/JReTRwqdh5D7q5kh+wcbeGuvE8oBeis9OK0OzZQjvBf8GU/ zJvS8yXDFenkyYRqLqywdXRZNhdKDhBRqxyUeL85zx6Om38MepWexx8vronk56NdI/IEfdpbe IIL4qInrerTrqMvXIr/hVoantVNozGF4bClIKa2s8iab8oxi9fqplZrMbUNadMfSL55jUOIqn yJsgnrcTFLeO+2FcJkmzH858ygJmO2f1coSTRRr2r4RHwCkfyLkIgfU8D1PeYtybTpl+KgnRV 8/CN4HUD0VNS2+WBODqstXD5r5W5J7w8gakj4upiBQgoHL/oAfPZBBANb5r2cAzOhh4RUUR0a 66zCwfTzWXyCJEaNUo+2R7AHv2mLt4dnuR51bArhaXkA6pLDmQJIjakCSe8V5MRuolqOl2y/R 7LQW5nZYLa7p6JBuxzCXGIY0yCD3ZXtbH8TDfaoULD5f9vwYPcJqaixksTJZWlSkJaLHTX5Km iqffPn3fl5D/cWSxc3c6cTk+sgSDGR4eTpMpo5Bc6mHbUtujw7yFbzCz20fg4KCVqkpAZ+9nZ pudy53sfR5ElkRIQV+r0/Ua0WP2kKt6y1WdJZmtJhKKghgI1ocSTi5oOsJtAGLZiTTPGuGFXT Zcz7Rfu X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 03/20/2016 09:20 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > > > Turning on the globalized local hook would not have an immediate effect > > on the affected buffers I think. > > Not sure what you mean. Globalized local hook? > > If globalized mode was off, and you turn it on, it turns on the local > mode in all relevant buffers, right away. > > Just try it with e.g. global-font-lock-mode. Yes, correct. I only overflew the sources and missed that part - my mistake. > > That's a valid point, the current implementation doesn't cover this > > case. I think > > > > (setq-local global-eldoc-mode nil) > > > > should work, but it looks weird, and it should not be necessary to > > modify a variable after we already have two modes. > > Yes, it looks silly, and might even break some expectations of the > minor mode machinery. If we want the global mode to push its stuff into the global hook bindings, and not into all the local hook bindings in every single buffer where the mode is applicable - can we achieve this with `define-globalized-minor-mode'? It doesn't seem so: `define-globalized-minor-mode' doesn't accept any kind of BODY argument. I think this is the cause of why the author reinvented it, and that in a not fully compliant way. Eldoc is not the only mode where this problem arises. In general, it can be beneficial to add to the global hook bindings: when a buffer is affected by the global hook, but it is not current, the local hook bindings are not run. Sometimes this is useful (I can give an example if you want). But in this case, I think it is not. So I tend to agree with you: simply globalizing eldoc-mode would be better, if we don't miss anything. And then, I think making `define-globalized-minor-mode' accept a BODY argument would be good - a globalized minor mode might want to do some global setup. Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 20 16:24:30 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 20:24:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55887 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahjtl-0005Em-Od for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 16:24:29 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f44.google.com ([74.125.82.44]:35351) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahjtk-0005EZ-IO for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 16:24:28 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f44.google.com with SMTP id l68so87757379wml.0 for <19853@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 13:24:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pbJb9m4jqkrAt7sX9cCssRLty9oMVKb6pWTPGvi4WqI=; b=ym+DkrnbiXEqo5izou9GDm9Een5AoC8dZV1CJkp+RHaOH0q4/vATvJxWGOx6t8yEqw gGqyrXUFJWzGtHMpBiCJj2Q+XP/wSbu74OmUbzzcT+nIro3jZhLBuimkFJZz63cCwvAX AEkMvhxGNLEc6EPQZ8U8YGuBiIRhn8+qPcqb2WmyZjFfs8pSCKB4k5yiXfVY44Ap7VQd IeJFjmjElzT+rUowJyNoUpEBLnMW+9qU4gbizPiKbWVcIx1zau7NjZDsUzxLcywKQHSh TBUrIiu+zHx2KTVgsdyyP3nKd/fWzEMTh1t7bUrVyB4yNg35U/UDjRwz15gQgvjgsd5g Skdg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pbJb9m4jqkrAt7sX9cCssRLty9oMVKb6pWTPGvi4WqI=; b=U622LA2vOevgsBBrb5WGT4zqrBAseMNbTq+9V+TkG/OtPZsQdeRoRVjO2MgWKnpMFF yhA82t9plD9ebEYHZ5Aeln8uTrhMAfpONTJ2J4oUj2lKRmS/v/idRcte1Kld3lja1c1V gsmgQmYegVCR9e7t35BewGwLpsgh4slGKENQhbaUNyi2DonCvanZ2+vX8bhtmuMLQxl1 xM4L6yLZtGrJp9ERkJvWay3cMKLZETKqy9vCnpTtBamqT3cY5XGNkpli6Z1ipAjxUMU6 Vb3utVEBrOQ4CJowp/Rn9kd8wA9b7lPtlPoZN2pWCt10DAyjHi3sR8ihRfFcTpZ1efPA QTIA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIOxBLrpTjbyqMkhGEBmG30zqCr3Pjzbk5zAmMkeqLbAEYdmQ3f70FEARparbCLgA== X-Received: by 10.28.194.132 with SMTP id s126mr10473841wmf.76.1458505463067; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 13:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id hh8sm22022746wjc.42.2016.03.20.13.24.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Mar 2016 13:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) To: Michael Heerdegen References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> <7be513e7-2d38-1e78-46f6-03ca17d58f90@yandex.ru> <87oaa9klc5.fsf@web.de> <87k2kxkjsc.fsf@web.de> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 22:24:20 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87k2kxkjsc.fsf@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 03/20/2016 09:53 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > If we want the global mode to push its stuff into the global hook > bindings, and not into all the local hook bindings in every single > buffer where the mode is applicable - can we achieve this with > `define-globalized-minor-mode'? You could use :after-hook argument. But it doesn't seem like what we should in do cases like this: what would (eldoc-mode -1) do if the globalized mode has modified the global hook values? We can't modify those locally. > And then, I think making `define-globalized-minor-mode' accept a BODY > argument would be good - a globalized minor mode might want to do some > global setup. Again, see the mention of :after-hook in the define-minor-mode docstring. It works in the globalized definitions as well. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 20 17:10:52 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 21:10:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55926 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahkce-0006MU-9t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 17:10:52 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]:65069) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahkcc-0006MH-1h for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 17:10:50 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.27]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MK1s1-1agNZm3JJt-001Odx; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 22:10:43 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Dmitry Gutov Subject: Re: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> <7be513e7-2d38-1e78-46f6-03ca17d58f90@yandex.ru> <87oaa9klc5.fsf@web.de> <87k2kxkjsc.fsf@web.de> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 22:10:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Sun, 20 Mar 2016 22:24:20 +0200") Message-ID: <8760wglust.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:07d3lP7TZva+gPJCc8HYOqaRPoKs5Dj0V9zigH/5jUxeRiOiR+Q AB/qvx19GhBasrJ0TNZ/iCPM6tObgTBtJvAeDryeeldiYRbCFJzZ5BeQCIdr7CKT7kum54Y rcInAuB6Jv7ljbTaRBj3TH71ULCURTw5J8ZLrGTVz2J79waS2+uV+z3escJPwzYPj55M2Kc QE5iqCEJBeclWPEvqb9nA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:xaHHaQ08IJA=:Jzbbh6CHOsPvfI31wKcYii mwPmUsbn02EfBWws7v2InympdxSmpBnx0wrcixKzJyy8M4814LMOaXktqKIGLDcyDpSUvspIq GG+jaKyeZK2JpY7Fl+tSqS0memGbyb3yv7ImBnvPRQSmi62BxxsBexwkbNnfgJXGq1ZlsRFgD Ns0wA6/ajQHu4q1PgFWxKn1fTvjXVl6buvl+MhLxECzEJ9DCwhhr4HkJr/D7xSEDe2kBaWMeK wfUoGPS01X7BfEXxar9dpHiEWg2jvKCpuXHaspjEUFP84iy2UWxmtlBZ7fI578huJajUd1cNO TiHL1u5cjiXlfGwqCtoeKijdy6wHZ4SrPoLeKqN5CjFk+i1c+QTsNGheLaPMlUi2I6KzBKdKE Vw6HJiBFu9fz7mRPaDnDIk4wkhDE3Rxrfj6/eBeZKMN27bm2geV1ZN6OwC3qZA34Gx05RfwzI tyt8BRI7WKZqDx4PqPuOYpEBnrtyUljIXhd+1tgeKcbhWrgV2a/nGzfsgtcHVFgaYexnMph9H zvqIBzev4pl0yKwiKYZvlfzsiAIZeMSr9CY5QMMUBHNh04OLBEOfakrX9gHJ1anx4H73R43ae tOL90iOTaimDbgcYnfdSZpGc+Hk66zvPS7wHBAh+75WQHAFaGY9icjl8GIUfzQ0vaC9srXgXY giuF7uvUyYi1HeDlB2lp2QO1neP2OzB990cHNOZI+sY1BABF0cWScv8+cA+31vbOZafPkKbjP h3DyM1rAlsEph10fCvpWH4cWTSP7iAWlDOQwdj0/4wZ93FG9gdc5p4BXFHQ7oVNcA4UMU2y9h 9p3XGnI X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Dmitry Gutov writes: > > If we want the global mode to push its stuff into the global hook > > bindings, and not into all the local hook bindings in every single > > buffer where the mode is applicable - can we achieve this with > > `define-globalized-minor-mode'? > > You could use :after-hook argument. Thanks. > But it doesn't seem like what we should in do cases like this: what > would (eldoc-mode -1) do if the globalized mode has modified the > global hook values? We can't modify those locally. Yes. I think turning `globalized-eldoc-mode' could change the default value of `eldoc-mode', while the local `eldoc-mode' changes the local value (as it does now). But that would lead to another problem: if the user has both modes off, then turns on the local mode in some buffer, and after that turns on the global mode as well, we have the stuff in both the global and the local hook bindings. Hmm, I think the only way out would be to add the stuff to the global hook bindings unconditionally when eldoc is loaded - no matter whether the global mode is on or not, and never remove it. And use only one (buffer local) variable for controlling, `eldoc-mode', that the local mode sets locally. The variable `global-eldoc-mode' would not appear in the code any more. `global-eldoc-mode' would become a trivial globalized minor mode that would only turn the local value of `eldoc-mode' in all buffers. Would that make sense? The alternative would be, of course, do what you suggested. Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 20 17:15:40 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 21:15:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55934 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahkhI-0006To-6a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 17:15:40 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f45.google.com ([74.125.82.45]:34948) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahkhF-0006Ta-Vw for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 17:15:38 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f45.google.com with SMTP id l68so88621013wml.0 for <19853@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:15:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/5TgRUXrcTXKWPkqZIs5eJapw3SDGQMnE3R3WjwqVho=; b=QtTH3rLRXib3/eQH9+HtUzRzTLN3bh3XZujM5+9kCeEvXFiWG6RTAYO+LZelYhg6nG CUFyUgyQHYrX0PfByODpfJmiTISpqSHjxGkq7R8+y6KAOgQfUYjptRossJWEW+H1xWci mzWNanAyn6AF/Zu6AvAIk7qq1r8EKF5yr/7POVnAwZFS+3y3hgwlgd9JU/Y56Feki7/d l96aAVxlY4gCFgtG4du+yqAALd+i1fruDr0Mv4VZOlsFgPMd9qXdP3w89EYoQi7TUN0N e29Q0QhFttGTMQCZ6sX43AVWkG0a07KdNzx0acFcSRYrfwU7IaezcrME4bc0gZdv6bRQ 0Q+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/5TgRUXrcTXKWPkqZIs5eJapw3SDGQMnE3R3WjwqVho=; b=YCNhTPizW73bM1tAebitSpa6TOfzQ/whYGGEXiQRxQ2nmjby6P7jAs/Q7JvU2ydC/I k5H0b3S6u/cqtiW9OT6X3bDF+FLPqn9LbRxa/11Ht6iKqwzFQSuSFrvbU8iw5NzCa6QA GzNk1FJegp8xJLWkgDDNvvkWFOLQg0vP4lulv2HR6pGghQRyu3Y+VjAmQhJ6AtsYdm8M kaQwpEMlpVlmDmr9TMHTt7V1h1N1Z05YjR1lgzfVnpCpC2yxyNc8tMPQzYzgEn0xak+8 a66TGkuqbr9R0fT5fjTPMQuBWamKFtJhcSwPg1QUcAGM+GUhO3hga2heX1XVdW/Y2zRi BFDw== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIua4MvOJgqqMuC3Dez6a9VPAPRgBYK3Nigzygn9xy3eDx72y00UlGvndn0Kf3XNw== X-Received: by 10.28.12.80 with SMTP id 77mr10190351wmm.19.1458508532526; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id k125sm9347728wmb.14.2016.03.20.14.15.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) To: Michael Heerdegen References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> <7be513e7-2d38-1e78-46f6-03ca17d58f90@yandex.ru> <87oaa9klc5.fsf@web.de> <87k2kxkjsc.fsf@web.de> <8760wglust.fsf@web.de> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <379eb804-473d-40b9-2a04-1d7daafefa08@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 23:15:30 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8760wglust.fsf@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 03/20/2016 11:10 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Yes. I think turning `globalized-eldoc-mode' could change the default > value of `eldoc-mode', while the local `eldoc-mode' changes the local > value (as it does now). That's not how globalized minor modes work. > But that would lead to another problem: if the user has both modes off, > then turns on the local mode in some buffer, and after that turns on the > global mode as well, we have the stuff in both the global and the local > hook bindings. Nope: globalized mode should only turn on the local mode in appropriate buffers. And it would, in turn, only modify the local parts of the hook in each of the buffers. > Hmm, I think the only way out would be to add the stuff to the global > hook bindings unconditionally when eldoc is loaded - no matter whether > the global mode is on or not, and never remove it. And use only one > (buffer local) variable for controlling, `eldoc-mode', that the local > mode sets locally. The variable `global-eldoc-mode' would not appear in > the code any more. `global-eldoc-mode' would become a trivial > globalized minor mode that would only turn the local value of > `eldoc-mode' in all buffers. Would that make sense? Sounds like a viable alternative, yes. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 20 17:24:45 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 21:24:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55938 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahkq5-0006gf-3M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 17:24:45 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.11]:49770) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahkq3-0006gS-VO for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 17:24:44 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.27]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MI6C2-1aduYN2p1K-003sfC; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 22:24:37 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Dmitry Gutov Subject: Re: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> <7be513e7-2d38-1e78-46f6-03ca17d58f90@yandex.ru> <87oaa9klc5.fsf@web.de> <87k2kxkjsc.fsf@web.de> <8760wglust.fsf@web.de> <379eb804-473d-40b9-2a04-1d7daafefa08@yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 22:24:36 +0100 In-Reply-To: <379eb804-473d-40b9-2a04-1d7daafefa08@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Sun, 20 Mar 2016 23:15:30 +0200") Message-ID: <871t74lu5n.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:/4ejsBhsXOfaBveKSY57tacYF0wxESPfmkhZIiodlurOmFSOpZE hOqbyZB4qthpDld7OtNyv5VgvbjFwA76aU3WHKZJNeyP1Af/EMeoBVFXmzfYdYXX0Uyx1Al DccFfZwNV6lcIywni8le09voQ3a9thN3YWQjac/A43lSMnjzZZ0nFnp46RvFm9QLvS3IHs2 WjtpgwAFXcQd6VAVTpfdg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:zDxEtRSX2eM=:5W6UQW79KWUVNov/SPuhng MXJQ/ieh6SHU+HemBPHCB4NJaul53Mze8G3iEBTh4eSrN1fG5Dzlcx9ASBUk9CFZVhJLWQ6A2 BtHjd77ZV4Dr2+7FwEa7UyOGG8dpyOyIWSTgbLvw9n2HgUQtdIgRdlk3wDqoVuqcfX8bWFuIh RCbD4EgHg/A1rWm8+/4QKmhB5a5qQPDQVkn/RMkUuXL0lbW45M8pQibPv0VK+sDAche7mZXRd HtDvP1oyrWAcms5ZwDtWpCzb1Lw2mEyoaTCOptZyNVQO59In+0+Ql+GjfToSrLlox1tCtwfN7 rznPsDHRuwLursL1JL1te1PlvX+/5tF3J+6no3usfjr7s89gT9R0748OdkhH5T/Iz9obu/beR wOT1bfMJxT7SrkZGXdoyxE/4tqK9wYHCELNrDu66LVHL970OyI1TAfLKs8Hi8dWKFpa5M5Yrs gT6r5ZRiG+Zx7BEHQUtlho9MoFqvgmJ8B7Bk30KBjfR9mXtiaaj1Qii8xN/l5TA/34ylSkzWz rGX9A3LNw3OijvhjMiwqqxUNzA9GWVmp8iut6xHAsqvaObiCYXTxYMKsAy8/+8fqZjimVwA2Z 55joW5Q8ruQ9HjJ01lWS8DtdrhC6o65KpvX2EiTjthnxL1trXGinp06OvGeZhSfTdeyOe3Hou hywZt7kkZj4JIvzv4/yy+BR6/wg6eDoGkPnhWI2ORiVtyeYNzY9VmmgGARmnrgbYM9uYIrTYH 69FLwXnmvw5YCQvRaw0uEBtcIeXMnzFer8U5SX1h7tzMWmt0miVLQn65uLlkhkoK/JGT6pjkb gck6Wf4 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Dmitry Gutov writes: > > Hmm, I think the only way out would be to add the stuff to the global > > hook bindings unconditionally when eldoc is loaded - no matter whether > > the global mode is on or not, and never remove it. And use only one > > (buffer local) variable for controlling, `eldoc-mode', that the local > > mode sets locally. The variable `global-eldoc-mode' would not appear in > > the code any more. `global-eldoc-mode' would become a trivial > > globalized minor mode that would only turn the local value of > > `eldoc-mode' in all buffers. Would that make sense? > > Sounds like a viable alternative, yes. Then maybe let's see what others say. I think making either change would be an improvement. Michael. From unknown Fri Aug 15 15:35:37 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 23:06:02 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 21 00:02:36 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Mar 2016 04:02:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56102 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahr36-0002xf-3n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 00:02:36 -0400 Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:35044) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahr33-0002xT-T3; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 00:02:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1CA5A34038; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 05:02:30 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qIIF9MFMPAkS; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 05:02:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (98-171.echostar.pl [213.156.98.171]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A417A34036; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 05:02:26 +0100 (CET) References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> <7be513e7-2d38-1e78-46f6-03ca17d58f90@yandex.ru> <87oaa9klc5.fsf@web.de> <87k2kxkjsc.fsf@web.de> <8760wglust.fsf@web.de> <379eb804-473d-40b9-2a04-1d7daafefa08@yandex.ru> <871t74lu5n.fsf@web.de> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.13; emacs 25.1.50.7 From: Marcin Borkowski To: Michael Heerdegen Subject: Re: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) In-reply-to: <871t74lu5n.fsf@web.de> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 05:02:26 +0100 Message-ID: <87fuvkeawd.fsf@mbork.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) reopen 19853 stop Hi, since it turns out I was not right, and indeed there is a legitimate wish to change the behavior, I'm reopening this bug report. Dmitry, sorry for not understanding your report in the first place. Best, M. On 2016-03-20, at 22:24, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Dmitry Gutov writes: > >> > Hmm, I think the only way out would be to add the stuff to the global >> > hook bindings unconditionally when eldoc is loaded - no matter whether >> > the global mode is on or not, and never remove it. And use only one >> > (buffer local) variable for controlling, `eldoc-mode', that the local >> > mode sets locally. The variable `global-eldoc-mode' would not appear in >> > the code any more. `global-eldoc-mode' would become a trivial >> > globalized minor mode that would only turn the local value of >> > `eldoc-mode' in all buffers. Would that make sense? >> >> Sounds like a viable alternative, yes. > > Then maybe let's see what others say. I think making either change > would be an improvement. > > > Michael. -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 22 11:29:47 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Mar 2016 15:29:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60147 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aiOFf-0005mz-8T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 11:29:47 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]:51680) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aiOFd-0005ml-M5 for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 11:29:46 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.27]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LqUXd-1a4fmj24ZN-00e0oL; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 16:29:36 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Dmitry Gutov Subject: Re: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> <7be513e7-2d38-1e78-46f6-03ca17d58f90@yandex.ru> <87oaa9klc5.fsf@web.de> <87k2kxkjsc.fsf@web.de> <8760wglust.fsf@web.de> <379eb804-473d-40b9-2a04-1d7daafefa08@yandex.ru> <871t74lu5n.fsf@web.de> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 16:29:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: <871t74lu5n.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Sun, 20 Mar 2016 22:24:36 +0100") Message-ID: <87r3f2pm3l.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:LV8nKs/ABubzWWJKqegiuckah2v9sMObZN/Qle59+YYgSTU75lP 6iTF7mqzLo48Gztet7jqt/abcZhHPR2JGdYhW4l/Bf4U1ojMTqe1TJAzDYTI2EyObj/Euzy HdAx8SWD0q0H2apnWMI9PYqYJsGYc7JCxXzUQOuYev+gk7VQFfnhJg7y8KyEwbIkWzPPrYa EWzQkLyArI6HErBzUcJUA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:yXXDJGVhtks=:9EHDSUC6SUUfBQmu1KIjG5 PMbJf180zA+0mzVZrkVVj9Y7qgYf8Z07iOGzRRUKyn5GjhKBeCJvs+BujEzHV8P+EPnL+dblY 1XC5MPPP0vwT3QeWD18Z/863oEhlwD/M+/eAIa4UK6wmizVbFdLhISeZW+VHkF3pfGLvlJQkG 0aNy2Y2yde19WwN48w74D8vg2wthGyVd+owcQ7xJDGs5QVzT7ZbYDJtJVeV/ti/opoXChO15Z KlinlVPBzv5RoWpSq2Bu/AIR5mAXxZiP7FOrghQIogGs1/BQX2H6iSWD3VPvXAGO0Fgj/ICsB W7fcoNP3TBkbZ+xdcVtyMyn/iS15nh6irDYqWVJGRMx0g3pqrzONR4ivf6RA8JtDGginxOpCs TBLdwpIa7DcwpDYgyEvRL/elG7wgJBqp2n83sCi1pd4xpewpRVLyYH53Maze1GnfnBIMTkQtq XSdL7jDcwd87FZt1juDeLkjaMsn35qJwLlu5d9tvT75tgMSSTwvuD9ToxyzZmdmHy5Cm/JCYt 6RMsaKOOj9nKYmTaIPOz/Dj+PpgspfJEVV9nPFTuiqvdumNoV9P3jLzV+NDyMHBN5Z3BMHiyi YOPLx3LsKBR+mtr0542fmKyjkuilibVSYnwuRChkVC7SMhRHn+M0RxcoCVrlrJkbOW8+ypCuO 3XgN6XBeAnawmr607oFRZV498cmP0/mspQ5HYQYVg4qcOTw66y0lGd0+ODgU/9oY9N0cNQ0v3 AlUpyB5Ts2ISOF/NFr7QN0KDraavbUpt/kWe08dgJ0rM3nRmrXNK2h6PdfIszFSfD+xjLSz3v mnThn+8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Hi, maybe we can come to a decision now. Stefan, you were the one that implemented `global-eldoc-mode', and decided not to use `define-globalized-minor-mode' to do this. I think I understand your intention (use global hook bindings). The subject of this bug report is that the global eldoc mode behaves differently from other global modes that have a local counterpart: in particular, turning off the global mode doesn't turn off the local mode in all buffers where it is on. This is somewhat unexpected for the user and I think more or less only an unintended consequence of the implementation. We discussed two alternatives to make the global eldoc mode behave more like a globalized mode, namely (1) do it indeed with `define-globalized-minor-mode' and (2) > > > Hmm, I think the only way out would be to add the stuff to the > > > global hook bindings unconditionally when eldoc is loaded - no > > > matter whether the global mode is on or not, and never remove it. > > > And use only one (buffer local) variable for controlling, > > > `eldoc-mode', that the local mode sets locally. The variable > > > `global-eldoc-mode' would not appear in the code any more. > > > `global-eldoc-mode' would become a trivial globalized minor mode > > > that would only turn the local value of `eldoc-mode' in all > > > buffers. Would that make sense? Did we overlook an advantage of your implementation? Which of these two alternatives would you prefer? Thanks, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 22 11:38:35 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Mar 2016 15:38:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60166 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aiOOB-000635-G1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 11:38:35 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:20735) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aiOO9-00062q-5G for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 11:38:34 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CgDQA731xV/5a2xEVcgxCBMoJQyGAEAgKBPD0QAQEBAQEBAYEKQQWDXQEBAwFWIwULCzQSFBgNJBOIFwMKCMofIoRiAQEBAQYBAQEBHos6hQUHhC0FnxeSFIIUgUUjggocFYFZIjGCRwEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: A0CgDQA731xV/5a2xEVcgxCBMoJQyGAEAgKBPD0QAQEBAQEBAYEKQQWDXQEBAwFWIwULCzQSFBgNJBOIFwMKCMofIoRiAQEBAQYBAQEBHos6hQUHhC0FnxeSFIIUgUUjggocFYFZIjGCRwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,465,1427774400"; d="scan'208";a="197755314" Received: from 69-196-182-150.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.182.150]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 22 Mar 2016 11:38:27 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 2DF5063F25; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 11:38:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Michael Heerdegen Subject: Re: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) Message-ID: References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> <7be513e7-2d38-1e78-46f6-03ca17d58f90@yandex.ru> <87oaa9klc5.fsf@web.de> <87k2kxkjsc.fsf@web.de> <8760wglust.fsf@web.de> <379eb804-473d-40b9-2a04-1d7daafefa08@yandex.ru> <871t74lu5n.fsf@web.de> <87r3f2pm3l.fsf@web.de> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 11:38:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87r3f2pm3l.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Tue, 22 Mar 2016 16:29:34 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) I don't have an opinion on this. Stefan >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Heerdegen writes: > Hi, > maybe we can come to a decision now. > Stefan, you were the one that implemented `global-eldoc-mode', and > decided not to use `define-globalized-minor-mode' to do this. I think I > understand your intention (use global hook bindings). > The subject of this bug report is that the global eldoc mode behaves > differently from other global modes that have a local counterpart: in > particular, turning off the global mode doesn't turn off the local mode > in all buffers where it is on. This is somewhat unexpected for the user > and I think more or less only an unintended consequence of the > implementation. > We discussed two alternatives to make the global eldoc mode behave more > like a globalized mode, namely (1) do it indeed with > `define-globalized-minor-mode' and (2) >> > > Hmm, I think the only way out would be to add the stuff to the >> > > global hook bindings unconditionally when eldoc is loaded - no >> > > matter whether the global mode is on or not, and never remove it. >> > > And use only one (buffer local) variable for controlling, >> > > `eldoc-mode', that the local mode sets locally. The variable >> > > `global-eldoc-mode' would not appear in the code any more. >> > > `global-eldoc-mode' would become a trivial globalized minor mode >> > > that would only turn the local value of `eldoc-mode' in all >> > > buffers. Would that make sense? > Did we overlook an advantage of your implementation? Which of these two > alternatives would you prefer? > Thanks, > Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 23 11:16:12 2016 Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Mar 2016 15:16:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34575 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aikW3-0001jT-V5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 11:16:12 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:55345) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aikW2-0001jH-PY for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 11:16:11 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.27]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lfmd0-1Zxots3hH8-00pKMb; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:16:03 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> <7be513e7-2d38-1e78-46f6-03ca17d58f90@yandex.ru> <87oaa9klc5.fsf@web.de> <87k2kxkjsc.fsf@web.de> <8760wglust.fsf@web.de> <379eb804-473d-40b9-2a04-1d7daafefa08@yandex.ru> <871t74lu5n.fsf@web.de> <87r3f2pm3l.fsf@web.de> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:16:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 22 Mar 2016 11:38:27 -0400") Message-ID: <87poul8bta.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:5SvW7PKs1XdAl6gHRA36PZMK1v4yLUkj0b52RfcfmvkBE1X8UEj z29oBwNrEFWjlst+8rpfDYHXcM5/R8X1GZ/q7fZs2bzjsHC7rGZnfCfDIt+LsSR4WBpB/5U Eg3MFy6qJnV4XHjG6AR8FqnzX+i9Ba8DEeLhMNS+K9+MPR4BxNNJUCCWykK1WRVOLbr0+yj YEUK/W6NOvyvirrD/Oa8A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:VlGFfyk6rHw=:5mzluCG+/wrB7lb22l7Yba 1B3NJiyVnAtugqAKbCV/E+yGkKF8aa9lBpGgf5wcu0gCKoR8DV+eygbAafgBIFMUc/FYgdDky wXVGGSJHEzLwUnmNRJcYgBZODczDUQMXYtxH/5CeaMsJFqp79fxeSGEhizVlGhTzN6oxnE6Fg pyD7FDMSD0sPJcDoDuR2XaOatB/DP95hnn2uYE9iYcEujQZJA5pywuLtEoUDnXdaZxr3PRbG9 hgtaklDllvgaKe0ihYILLoM4ruQR+gOyil76WwWJFa2vLpbi071/+DAaoQfJLG3Wvj95a9zwn glKNMI9Ek+N6mQ/2wYdPIKC/agZXzqMWSExF/A2KswRfDJVdEUylKZrgwAwmCS2k/f9wYFe1d gsu4sTwKUBq4YTcml7mLhoPt5u2kNPSIEmML8UoekRNfyU6Y4QuEf55x22o9fAMC+9YiTy0BY FTsjAxl+HLQxzHNMt9P2Zi/i5kCEctKCeUJJqOf9Wz/O13Li+7HC/UeZ3vpl5dqKthHvfKhCu aDb6Tg3GYL5jA9PBiXCDboV0uLf6ncQRhVVHD9cWbItbr4X7cmLACN8SKxuLyq6ie+J+VIgWt H4dl5DPuzzinBOPDDd3g1qXtE1NwkMaYEBzRSUSc/3gyucf3YGPagjNXJRKvl6n4Ry8b3cxag 2yi4YllOszs9gTOJxdytcqHmJcjUni9d4oW0UzeMs4rTD4yXLoW4Wo7Uld6QvffZc9V/Lb/p1 LUNTS5BWbTPTSX54uMIgmwT1niDqrmxiZxTQNguO5jZ6OAozjdt8rpf6UP5p3Uxomik8VLcyF bj7JFIG X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853 Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Stefan Monnier writes: > I don't have an opinion on this. > > > Stefan Ok, thanks. I don't have a preference for one of the suggested solutions, too. Dmitry, then I suggest you just make the change you prefer (on master, I guess) - can you do that? Thanks, Michael. 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Sometime after we release 25.1, I guess. Thanks for the discussion. 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I don't have a preference for one of the suggested solutions, > too. > Dmitry, then I suggest you just make the change you prefer (on master, I > guess) - can you do that? 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Linux x86_64; rv:54.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/54.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853-done Cc: 19853-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) Version: 26.1 On 3/27/16 2:31 AM, John Wiegley wrote: > I prefer we use define-globalized-minor-mode, to be consistent with all other > global modes of this kind, since Stefan has no compelling reason for it to be > special. And done! 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[76.234.69.149]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n23sm23584431pfh.44.2017.05.30.15.01.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 30 May 2017 15:01:21 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id E4E0D4DEE21C; Tue, 30 May 2017 15:02:35 -0700 (PDT) To: Dmitry Gutov Subject: Re: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) In-Reply-To: <42774f38-1114-0fad-672e-1f401d102027@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Tue, 30 May 2017 02:57:11 +0300") Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 15:02:34 -0700 Message-ID: References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> <7be513e7-2d38-1e78-46f6-03ca17d58f90@yandex.ru> <87oaa9klc5.fsf@web.de> <87k2kxkjsc.fsf@web.de> <8760wglust.fsf@web.de> <379eb804-473d-40b9-2a04-1d7daafefa08@yandex.ru> <871t74lu5n.fsf@web.de> <87r3f2pm3l.fsf@web.de> <87poul8bta.fsf@web.de> <42774f38-1114-0fad-672e-1f401d102027@yandex.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130016 (Ma Gnus v0.16) Emacs/25.2.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19853-done Cc: Michael Heerdegen , 19853-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) >>>>> Dmitry Gutov writes: > And done! 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