From unknown Thu Aug 14 22:20:35 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1980: 23.0.60; emacs switches focus to graphical frame when server-edit exits terminal frame Reply-To: Gregor Zattler , 1980@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Gregor Zattler Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:20:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1980 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.12325722183546 (code B ref -1); Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:20:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 21 Jan 2009 21:10:18 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n0LLADJS003168 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:10:15 -0800 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:43865) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LPkJW-00046m-Gy for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:08:42 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LPkKw-0004fW-73 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:10:12 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:37670) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LPkKv-0004f9-D7 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:10:10 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Jan 2009 21:10:02 -0000 Received: from p54BFA203.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO pit.id-43118.user.dfncis.de) [84.191.162.3] by mail.gmx.net (mp038) with SMTP; 21 Jan 2009 22:10:02 +0100 X-Authenticated: #19296480 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18xZSogkTgxTYctC9/c2eZtW/E8RoYH2jnbkuSLUO GgJpnCWnr1eM+E Received: from grfz by pit.id-43118.user.dfncis.de with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LPkKV-0007Jt-Mq; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:09:43 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:09:23 +0100 From: Gregor Zattler To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org Message-ID: <20090121210923.GA27728@pit.ID-43118.user.dfncis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.5 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators to read other languages for them. Your bug report will be posted to the emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org mailing list. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug and the precise symptoms of the bug: When using emacs 23 in daemon mode some graphical emacs frame gets fokus if an editing session on a terminal window which was initiated via "emacsclient -t ..." is finished with C-x # (server-edit). In order to continue work in the terminal window I have to manually switch back to the terminal window. I checked this behaviour with two window managers: icwwm-lite and xfce4 on a up to date debian sid system. I consider this behaviour a bug since it is recommended emacs usage to use one instance of emacs to edit several files in several buffers and frames. When exiting emacsclient should return control to the calling application (the shell) and nothing should happen with the windows/frames on my graphical display. Emacs is not a window manager and should not manage windows since it cannot know which task I want to do next. This happens dozens of times every day, since I use to edit my email in a terminal window while there is a graphical emacs frame in the background of my desktop which I use for editing a org file: For emails I use mutt in a gnu screen session running in a rxvt-unicode terminal window. For editing emails I use emacsclient with the "-t" command line option in order to edit the email in a Text-only frame in the terminal window. Most of the time on my desktop there is also a graphical emacs frame which I use with org-mode. When I edit a email the terminal window is on top of the emacs graphical frame and has the fokus. When I finish editing the email emacsclient gives back control to mutt which happens to show the compose menu. In order to send the email I have to hit the "y" key. But before I can do so, the graphical emacs frame with the org file swaps in front of the rxvt-unicode terminal window and gets fokus. In order to resume sending the email and reading the next one I have to manually switch to the terminal window. Thank you for emacs, the --daemon command line option which is great and for your attention to this bug report. Sincerely, Gregor If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. If you would like to further debug the crash, please read the file /usr/share/emacs/23.0.60/etc/DEBUG for instructions. In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.11) of 2009-01-18 on elegiac, modified by Debian (emacs-snapshot package, version 1:20090118-1) Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10402000 configured using `configure '--build' 'i486-linux-gnu' '--host' 'i486-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes' '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs-snapshot:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23.0.60/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.0.60/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp' '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' 'build_alias=i486-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=i486-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN -DSITELOAD_PURESIZE_EXTRA=5000 -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-g -Wl,--as-needed' 'CPPFLAGS='' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: de_DE@euro value of $LC_CTYPE: de_DE@euro value of $LC_MESSAGES: C value of $LC_MONETARY: de_DE@euro value of $LC_NUMERIC: de_DE@euro value of $LC_TIME: de_DE@euro value of $LANG: de_DE@euro value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: iso-latin-9-unix default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: global-hl-line-mode: t display-time-mode: t show-paren-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t size-indication-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: Recent messages: No diary entries for Wednesday, 21 January 2009 Preparing diary... No diary entries for Wednesday, 21 January 2009 Mark set Marking diary entries...done Marking diary entries...done Loading avoid...done Starting Emacs daemon. When done with this frame, type C-x 5 0 call-interactively: Text is read-only [3 times] From unknown Thu Aug 14 22:20:35 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1980: 23.0.60; emacs switches focus to graphical frame when server-edit exits terminal frame Reply-To: Chong Yidong , 1980@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Chong Yidong Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1980 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1980-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1980.123791712325834 (code B ref 1980); Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 1980) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 24 Mar 2009 17:52:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from cyd.mit.edu (CYD.MIT.EDU [18.115.2.24]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n2OHq0YA025824 for <1980@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:52:01 -0700 Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8844457E205; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:53:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: Gregor Zattler Cc: 1980@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:53:27 -0400 Message-ID: <87fxh2959k.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > When using emacs 23 in daemon mode some graphical emacs frame gets > fokus if an editing session on a terminal window which was initiated > via "emacsclient -t ..." is finished with C-x # (server-edit). In > order to continue work in the terminal window I have to manually > switch back to the terminal window. Sorry for the late response. I haven't been able to reproduce this bug with metacity---closing an `emacsclient -t' client keeps the xterm window in focus. This problem may be a quirk of the window managers you tried (xfce4 and icwwm-lite); I am not sure what Emacs can do differently to try to mitigate this. From unknown Thu Aug 14 22:20:35 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1980: 23.0.60; emacs switches focus to graphical frame when server-edit exits terminal frame Reply-To: Gregor Zattler , 1980@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Gregor Zattler Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1980 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1980-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1980.12380143465394 (code B ref 1980); Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:00:03 +0000 Received: (at 1980) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 25 Mar 2009 20:52:26 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with SMTP id n2PKqMT8005384 for <1980@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:52:23 -0700 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 Mar 2009 20:52:15 -0000 Received: from p54BF96F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO pit.id-43118.user.dfncis.de) [84.191.150.242] by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 25 Mar 2009 21:52:15 +0100 X-Authenticated: #19296480 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/+piJUqvL+Dg+wliN7oX8NDEzr9DOAVbHoBTF441 7xiFGliLEfbFIe Received: from grfz by pit.id-43118.user.dfncis.de with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lma4x-0004Br-Jq; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:52:03 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:51:43 +0100 From: Gregor Zattler To: Chong Yidong Cc: 1980@debbugs.gnu.org Message-ID: <20090325205143.GK4615@pit.ID-43118.user.dfncis.de> References: <87fxh2959k.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <87fxh2959k.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.64 Hi Chong, * Chong Yidong [24. Mär. 2009]: >> When using emacs 23 in daemon mode some graphical emacs frame gets >> fokus if an editing session on a terminal window which was initiated >> via "emacsclient -t ..." is finished with C-x # (server-edit). In >> order to continue work in the terminal window I have to manually >> switch back to the terminal window. > > Sorry for the late response. I haven't been able to reproduce this bug > with metacity---closing an `emacsclient -t' client keeps the xterm > window in focus. This problem may be a quirk of the window managers you > tried (xfce4 and icwwm-lite); I am not sure what Emacs can do > differently to try to mitigate this. O.k. I'll test it with other window managers. ATM I don't have time to do this but I will report back when I've done it. In the meantime I discovered that emacs does switch windows/fokus if the graphical emacs is started via emacsclient -c filename but not (or at least only in rare occasions) when started via emacsclient -c -n filename ^^ Perhaps this is helpful? Ciao, Gregor -- -... --- .-. . -.. ..--.. ...-.- From unknown Thu Aug 14 22:20:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1980: 23.0.60; emacs switches focus to graphical frame when server-edit exits terminal frame Resent-From: Gregor Zattler Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 15:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1980 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 1980@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: Chong Yidong Received: via spool by 1980-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1980.129147789717143 (code B ref 1980); Sat, 04 Dec 2010 15:52:02 +0000 Received: (at 1980) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2010 15:51:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1POuOf-0004SS-9i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 10:51:37 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23] helo=mail.gmx.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1POuOc-0004SE-V0 for 1980@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 10:51:36 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Dec 2010 15:57:20 -0000 Received: from p54946C69.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO shi.workgroup) [84.148.108.105] by mail.gmx.net (mp063) with SMTP; 04 Dec 2010 16:57:20 +0100 X-Authenticated: #19296480 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+B+5NpP/qBNxlZur9DkZKpUlOSrZbKxsqfywDQQ0 fteMk5EibfAera Received: from grfz by shi.workgroup with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1POuU1-0008Nt-Dk; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 16:57:09 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 16:56:49 +0100 From: Gregor Zattler Message-ID: <20101204155649.GA30881@shi.workgroup> References: <87fxh2959k.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <20090325205143.GK4615@pit.ID-43118.user.dfncis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20090325205143.GK4615@pit.ID-43118.user.dfncis.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) Hi Chong, Emacs developers, readers of old bug reports, * Gregor Zattler [25. Mar. 2009]: > * Chong Yidong [24. Mär. 2009]: >>> When using emacs 23 in daemon mode some graphical emacs frame gets >>> fokus if an editing session on a terminal window which was initiated >>> via "emacsclient -t ..." is finished with C-x # (server-edit). In >>> order to continue work in the terminal window I have to manually >>> switch back to the terminal window. >> >> Sorry for the late response. I haven't been able to reproduce this bug >> with metacity---closing an `emacsclient -t' client keeps the xterm >> window in focus. This problem may be a quirk of the window managers you >> tried (xfce4 and icwwm-lite); I am not sure what Emacs can do >> differently to try to mitigate this. > > O.k. I'll test it with other window managers. ATM I don't have > time to do this but I will report back when I've done it. I did some tests and research today: This is not a WM issue, it's reproducible without any WM. Meanwhile this issue is discussed in bug 7269 as focus follows mouse (actually: mouse follows frame). The workaround mentioned by Anders Kaseorg in the discussion of the aforementioned bug is to M-x customize-save-variable focus-follows-mouse n. This works for me. But I think the default value of this variable is surprising and it's documentation does not explain that this actually leads to mouse movements. Ciao, Gregor From unknown Thu Aug 14 22:20:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1980: 23.0.60; emacs switches focus to graphical frame when server-edit exits terminal frame Resent-From: Chong Yidong Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1980 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Gregor Zattler Cc: 1980@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 1980-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1980.129284347930933 (code B ref 1980); Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:12:02 +0000 Received: (at 1980) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Dec 2010 11:11:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PUdeA-00082s-Qe for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:11:18 -0500 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-03.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.144]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PUde8-00082g-Ui for 1980@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:11:17 -0500 Received: from furball (bb116-14-228-227.singnet.com.sg [116.14.228.227]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-03.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oBKBHgZW000457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:17:45 -0500 Received: by furball (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9CD4D16246F; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:17:43 +0800 (SGT) From: Chong Yidong References: <87fxh2959k.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <20090325205143.GK4615@pit.ID-43118.user.dfncis.de> <20101204155649.GA30881@shi.workgroup> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:17:43 +0800 In-Reply-To: <20101204155649.GA30881@shi.workgroup> (Gregor Zattler's message of "Sat, 4 Dec 2010 16:56:49 +0100") Message-ID: <87fwts4rs8.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.144 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Gregor Zattler writes: > I did some tests and research today: This is not a WM issue, it's > reproducible without any WM. > > Meanwhile this issue is discussed in bug 7269 as focus follows > mouse (actually: mouse follows frame). The workaround mentioned > by Anders Kaseorg in the discussion of the aforementioned bug is > to > > M-x customize-save-variable focus-follows-mouse n. > > This works for me. I've changed focus-follows-mouse to nil on the trunk. Closing the bug. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 20 06:11:30 2010 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Dec 2010 11:11:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PUdeM-00083F-0W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:11:30 -0500 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-04.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.145]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PUdeJ-000831-Ug for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:11:28 -0500 Received: from furball (bb116-14-228-227.singnet.com.sg [116.14.228.227]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-04.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oBKBHspq022249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:17:56 -0500 Received: by furball (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C77BD16246F; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:17:54 +0800 (SGT) From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 1980 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:17:54 +0800 Message-ID: <87bp4g4rrx.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.145 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) close 1980 thanks