From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: crocket Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 05:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 19731@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.142259515121122 (code B ref -1); Fri, 30 Jan 2015 05:20:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jan 2015 05:19:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57705 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YH3z5-0005UZ-AG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 00:19:11 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57919) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YH3z3-0005UN-QY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 00:19:10 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YH3yx-0006Qp-Ax for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 00:19:04 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:43653) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YH3yx-0006Ql-7y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 00:19:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59631) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YH3yv-0004Pb-Us for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 00:19:03 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YH3yu-0006QG-KE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 00:19:01 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-x22e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22e]:59007) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YH3yu-0006Q7-BZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 00:19:00 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id lj1so47829675pab.5 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 21:18:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=q8CaEBTaIu6J0LcyZtps7ssZXLCHTHK56iYxYKohMlQ=; b=ibsSRz5VHEHW4qBacJ44STLyqH78+F4qiDLpVzJCreYynkTnT82WQFHDUrvWFKkWnz jpzIbo5/1sd+7H7Sm0nXBasgWVVu8GGPSbqizAkJ1/kQ5nfRBGDYy6Hj1AJ/JJVJ5bKq 4XKvhGld7HdSQpNPK1GOFm78A+bO12eF3woAFWmGfbPHiKoYOOMV2l71nCSWGULRwumq 059nhfQQ9IMFLIM7qhwOALMDPV5LbXKqGoVHrzrI/7OXLfuHCfxyKmpsPcmHJBR9/l5Y PWL0lFRLI2bnaTyoSuSKMyIas1EaMd9pxljYbq0BY7cFhW1gJQDy/bFEUPq2tlTPQY7P pb0w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.241.35 with SMTP id wf3mr6616245pbc.22.1422595138828; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 21:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.6.195 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 21:18:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:18:58 +0900 Message-ID: From: crocket Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) According to https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1397412#p1397412 , if HISTFILE=/dev/null is set as an environment variable, /dev/null can be deleted and replaced by a regular file with permission 600. If I fiddled with magit over tramp sudo method for a while and exited emacs, I see /dev/null replaced with a regular file with permission 600. After some inspections, I found HISTFILE=/dev/null in tramp-sh.el. Could tramp-sh.el be the cause of /dev/null problem? In GNU Emacs 24.4.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.7) of 2015-01-18 on bisson Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11603000 Configured using: `configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --libexecdir=/usr/lib --localstatedir=/var --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-xft 'CFLAGS=-march=x86-64 -mtune=generic -O2 -pipe -fstack-protector-strong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4' CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1,--sort-common,--as-needed,-z,relro' Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.utf8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: C-x C-f C-g M-x r e p o r t Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Quit Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message idna format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util help-fns mail-prsvr mail-utils info easymenu package epg-config time-date tooltip electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind gfilenotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 113852 6530) (symbols 48 20679 0) (miscs 40 87 124) (strings 32 22379 4312) (string-bytes 1 542144) (vectors 16 12069) (vector-slots 8 418986 5747) (floats 8 66 65) (intervals 56 224 19) (buffers 960 12) (heap 1024 50731 994)) From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: crocket Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 19731@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.142261072214897 (code B ref 19731); Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:39:02 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jan 2015 09:38:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57755 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YH82D-0003sC-45 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 04:38:41 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f51.google.com ([209.85.220.51]:34702) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YH827-0003rw-Od for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 04:38:36 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id fb1so50515436pad.10 for <19731@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 01:38:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BY9X9ERuTE22s0M3cCRCQuY7rXvqDB+fU7Lh6AQCoFc=; b=hC1t9gBKyDOofNHxRWBcC9LXOaFDepFOUCtIjgT/hWMz1VX0IYNiIxDbB3NqvPbqu+ qh4Ort35ONjdzLdJKUOm2oXZ1B0q0p3MZuJUmeIfbc0nzOLxjMsjbWs2lCz4+8C/gPXB B52ahU+D9zoHqZYDTShbsZI/HC0B7H+m3qkCXitk3srnVrYYQRDSW3t2Q2Kdaq2dMgaM 0UnsqVZthAj5RQCOB052wt21EBDNUaflxsTB4ICwauNNymINkbDtdyk2tQl/EUm6sFKK SxbzwSgy3fpFxT8uDcsm37fiWUKkj3jpdZqTZ9B8fUnBfrQXhS8kVkDdFpnrDCPkNNZL CYZw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.62.137 with SMTP id y9mr7452647par.87.1422610709653; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 01:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.6.195 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 01:38:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 18:38:29 +0900 Message-ID: From: crocket Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) I confirmed that if $HISTFILE is /dev/null on bash and I execute more commands than $HISTFILESIZE, when I exit bash, /dev/null is deleted. Thus, if tramp executes more commands than $HISTFILESIZE and I quit emacs, /dev/null is deleted. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 2:18 PM, crocket wrote: > According to https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1397412#p1397412 > , if HISTFILE=/dev/null is set as an environment variable, /dev/null > can be deleted and replaced by a regular file with permission 600. > > If I fiddled with magit over tramp sudo method for a while and exited > emacs, I see /dev/null replaced with a regular file with permission > 600. > > After some inspections, I found HISTFILE=/dev/null in tramp-sh.el. > > Could tramp-sh.el be the cause of /dev/null problem? > > In GNU Emacs 24.4.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.7) > of 2015-01-18 on bisson > Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11603000 > Configured using: > `configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --libexecdir=/usr/lib > --localstatedir=/var --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-xft > 'CFLAGS=-march=x86-64 -mtune=generic -O2 -pipe -fstack-protector-strong > --param=ssp-buffer-size=4' CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 > LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1,--sort-common,--as-needed,-z,relro' > > Important settings: > value of $LANG: en_US.utf8 > value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus > locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix > > Major mode: Fundamental > > Minor modes in effect: > tooltip-mode: t > electric-indent-mode: t > mouse-wheel-mode: t > tool-bar-mode: t > menu-bar-mode: t > file-name-shadow-mode: t > global-font-lock-mode: t > blink-cursor-mode: t > auto-composition-mode: t > auto-encryption-mode: t > auto-compression-mode: t > buffer-read-only: t > line-number-mode: t > transient-mark-mode: t > > Recent input: > C-x C-f C-g M-x r e p o r t > > > Recent messages: > For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. > Quit > > Load-path shadows: > None found. > > Features: > (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message idna format-spec > rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 > mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums > mm-util help-fns mail-prsvr mail-utils info easymenu package epg-config > time-date tooltip electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type > mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe > tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar > rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax > facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese > tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak > czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook > jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer nadvice loaddefs button > faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 > format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable > backquote make-network-process dbusbind gfilenotify dynamic-setting > system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x > multi-tty emacs) > > Memory information: > ((conses 16 113852 6530) > (symbols 48 20679 0) > (miscs 40 87 124) > (strings 32 22379 4312) > (string-bytes 1 542144) > (vectors 16 12069) > (vector-slots 8 418986 5747) > (floats 8 66 65) > (intervals 56 224 19) > (buffers 960 12) > (heap 1024 50731 994)) > > > From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: crocket Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 19731@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.142261087915197 (code B ref 19731); Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:42:02 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jan 2015 09:41:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57759 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YH84k-0003x3-68 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 04:41:18 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com ([209.85.220.44]:40137) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YH84h-0003wn-68 for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 04:41:16 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id rd3so50391127pab.3 for <19731@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 01:41:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5H6TSiLUZPJ6LxA8+601jb8NSUCdKvicbJx/kvwpdFs=; b=R6+LaAzQCGblN1wOoPKy5c1SodZ5kmcKmhCMjxMaQRSV03OnvVmqucVX1Ump6ml2Bk 0lwJH4T4rV/GlbTxiW2BFeAboR2RkBCDvdiniyj0MwOdwEt606/BWwSOheKRcF5QiZXW MiHD3hFwadDZHrdCpn4r/4/O9TC5n0JvagDy6m+M1bnKMgpSZ2tdNcYEVPO0rkR0BnPw TgD1nn74+S+KpCqNXTu0wds/1xiwBFcwe0hsf55cWf/PypkvN2vtSz3jGt/Heciia9Bi fdx7WQMSHRZDIEYBAi9gHHMwu1j4S+6TtWRQIRbLw3DPVeimuU5/TFUQlfcSAcCIshAD yYIA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.100.202 with SMTP id fa10mr7748840pab.36.1422610869421; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 01:41:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.6.195 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 01:41:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 18:41:09 +0900 Message-ID: From: crocket Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) I think there are at least two solutions to tramp-sh.el problem. 1) Change the shell to zsh 2) unset $HISTFILE and set HISTFILESIZE to 0 instead of setting HISTFILE to /dev/null 3) etc... On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 2:18 PM, crocket wrote: > According to https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1397412#p1397412 > , if HISTFILE=/dev/null is set as an environment variable, /dev/null > can be deleted and replaced by a regular file with permission 600. > > If I fiddled with magit over tramp sudo method for a while and exited > emacs, I see /dev/null replaced with a regular file with permission > 600. > > After some inspections, I found HISTFILE=/dev/null in tramp-sh.el. > > Could tramp-sh.el be the cause of /dev/null problem? > > In GNU Emacs 24.4.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.7) > of 2015-01-18 on bisson > Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11603000 > Configured using: > `configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --libexecdir=/usr/lib > --localstatedir=/var --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-xft > 'CFLAGS=-march=x86-64 -mtune=generic -O2 -pipe -fstack-protector-strong > --param=ssp-buffer-size=4' CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 > LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1,--sort-common,--as-needed,-z,relro' > > Important settings: > value of $LANG: en_US.utf8 > value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus > locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix > > Major mode: Fundamental > > Minor modes in effect: > tooltip-mode: t > electric-indent-mode: t > mouse-wheel-mode: t > tool-bar-mode: t > menu-bar-mode: t > file-name-shadow-mode: t > global-font-lock-mode: t > blink-cursor-mode: t > auto-composition-mode: t > auto-encryption-mode: t > auto-compression-mode: t > buffer-read-only: t > line-number-mode: t > transient-mark-mode: t > > Recent input: > C-x C-f C-g M-x r e p o r t > > > Recent messages: > For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. > Quit > > Load-path shadows: > None found. > > Features: > (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message idna format-spec > rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 > mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums > mm-util help-fns mail-prsvr mail-utils info easymenu package epg-config > time-date tooltip electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type > mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe > tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar > rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax > facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese > tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak > czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook > jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer nadvice loaddefs button > faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 > format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable > backquote make-network-process dbusbind gfilenotify dynamic-setting > system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x > multi-tty emacs) > > Memory information: > ((conses 16 113852 6530) > (symbols 48 20679 0) > (miscs 40 87 124) > (strings 32 22379 4312) > (string-bytes 1 542144) > (vectors 16 12069) > (vector-slots 8 418986 5747) > (floats 8 66 65) > (intervals 56 224 19) > (buffers 960 12) > (heap 1024 50731 994)) > > > From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 11:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: crocket Cc: 19731@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.14228774858951 (code B ref 19731); Mon, 02 Feb 2015 11:45:02 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2015 11:44:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60049 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIFQr-0002KI-2u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 06:44:45 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:62455) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIFQo-0002K4-Bz for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 06:44:42 -0500 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.50.120]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MKcdH-1YGK9c0GaF-0021bT; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 12:44:35 +0100 From: Michael Albinus References: Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 12:44:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: (crocket's message of "Fri, 30 Jan 2015 18:41:09 +0900") Message-ID: <87r3u8k065.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:bJhdDXVQrz6f/iDwgM7O4BHmCdmzp8SNPOayI3SxFPof6DtystQ xy7Zyvv4X8B9JVxylvRQx5Y7u24aVorp1S9aX5pXH3tSl2K2nhGc4cDeSsY3IIMIKbMI2tK riAO+L3s7JodNzZFmLfmVA3ynLoJknNwa0ZtWr1bsMNNYw4MTNrgd3c7ZNziS5ih/VpOGHr 0hVty14MbvCBnrmtY+njg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) crocket writes: Hi, > I think there are at least two solutions to tramp-sh.el problem. > > 1) Change the shell to zsh > 2) unset $HISTFILE and set HISTFILESIZE to 0 instead of setting > HISTFILE to /dev/null > 3) etc... In Emacs 25 (the development version), there is a customer option `tramp-histfile-override'. You could use it for setting HISTFILE to another value but "/dev/null". If you use the symbol `unset' as value, HISTFILE will be unset. Do you have a chance to check it? Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: crocket Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 12:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus , 19731@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.142287975812361 (code B ref 19731); Mon, 02 Feb 2015 12:23:02 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2015 12:22:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60053 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIG1W-0003DI-9d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 07:22:38 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f51.google.com ([209.85.220.51]:47595) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIG1U-0003D3-Rf for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 07:22:37 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id fb1so81974030pad.10 for <19731@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 04:22:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=N/cqcII6xY9D7nR6nusAqq0JQca4yUg0EA3IMD9iO2c=; b=W7qJZKn4YSBhB6VcyJo9TaqSy7L6fXjGsfBJOmsUMMOAWH2ldA736B9KM/+nWlmLok UYxzqmKPiqHKLYY9R1Q9I8IkDH+q4hLEH24M7P64O+08qIe/W4vBsdp/bUv6xHCzNIww n3JBzh+3N7Wq915OxmEkFTIi2B9vFVqFvQVAWK02skHVgGo6I2oFg+21QLXtWTrDEJjH ZBxl8l2bxqy6OP4+/ZFWNQMhDD1Bg+K+qUumWXfKCAE7PVqw4DhqnKqfW/OMZJL0ZzDE HqITxwMi10aNmFvFJ3vHQnttVPJA5CxjZFihvSupplEz/7gKRuq6JbsTqnB3v4OjQpIT 3RQg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.227.6 with SMTP id rw6mr28958414pbc.2.1422879750895; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 04:22:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.6.195 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 04:22:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87mw4wjyqi.fsf@gmx.de> References: <87r3u8k065.fsf@gmx.de> <87mw4wjyqi.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:22:30 +0900 Message-ID: From: crocket Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On bash, if you become root, and set HISTFILE to /dev/null and HISTFILESIZE to a very small number, and execute more than $HISTFILESIZE commands, and exit bash, then you'll see /dev/null replaced with a regular file with permission 600. If you can't reproduce it, then I'll test tramp on emacs 25 with 'tramp-histfile-override' set to 'unset'. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Michael Albinus wrote: > crocket writes: > >> I confirmed that bash deletes /bin/bash with HISTFILE=/dev/null after >> executing more commands than HISTFILESIZE. >> Thus, I can already imagine the outcome of unsetting HISTFILE. >> You can test emacs 25 with various values of HISTFILE on systems that >> have /bin/sh symlinked to /bin/bash. > > Well, I couldn't test whether Tramp behaves correctly because I have no > test system where bash behaves like described by you. So I hope to get > feedback, whether Tramp behaves correctly. > >> I think 'unset' is a reasonable default value for HISTFILE because >> people are not interested in tramp history by default. > > Well, changing the default would need much more testing with other > shells but bash. That's why it is offered as option only, and not as default. > > Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 12:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: crocket Cc: 19731@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.142288111219692 (code B ref 19731); Mon, 02 Feb 2015 12:46:01 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2015 12:45:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60063 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIGNM-00057Y-DF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 07:45:12 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:60520) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIGNK-00057I-Eh for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 07:45:11 -0500 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.50.120]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M3i8r-1XRG991m4H-00rGrn; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 13:45:02 +0100 From: Michael Albinus References: <87r3u8k065.fsf@gmx.de> <87mw4wjyqi.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 13:45:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: (crocket's message of "Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:22:30 +0900") Message-ID: <87h9v4jxde.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:AsJb9iE/j0EZWYvNPnWF7UHqaJTQlFsxb8yLVjI6hpQqryphJYN /ZVudgTTLzSi3GdcWcKmpkeLAuTwqsQf8owQpmD/3sqKimP9QK6WtqvrWpaxylpNJZcScmn OnAFtwBSfl97qOxCHPPLcvVGLAuv5kukQkg7zwodohpk0tKQDQTDb4sd/Avl6GioHE3BjOR 0IUFN/aK4wNftTY9cL+3A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) crocket writes: > On bash, if you become root, and set HISTFILE to /dev/null and > HISTFILESIZE to a very small number, and execute more than > $HISTFILESIZE commands, and exit bash, then > you'll see /dev/null replaced with a regular file with permission 600. Tramp doesn't set HISTFILESIZE to any value. Maybe it should set it to a reasonable large number, when HISTFILE is set to /dev/null? > If you can't reproduce it, then I'll test tramp on emacs 25 with > 'tramp-histfile-override' set to 'unset'. Please do. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: crocket Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 12:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: 19731@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.142288120919839 (code B ref 19731); Mon, 02 Feb 2015 12:47:02 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2015 12:46:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60067 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIGOu-00059v-SR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 07:46:49 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f45.google.com ([209.85.220.45]:63961) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIGOs-00059h-Px for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 07:46:47 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id et14so82047677pad.4 for <19731@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 04:46:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=yXN5wSotRnNmQr6K1qnT2MmoMf8kLqUaClbIjxagu8k=; b=s3qvkW+tnerKJI/ZYzs8rc2lWDXrVhWK8Pj6TE7ZqxgRupULJK2Ku4KlQH7KubsaZF 1KykIp7v15Z/NvRXFj/0/pygHVs9fRC+7a2Vhid5WaiMBTt/Ke2kTOSS7B0pZTjbTBtF TxTfydTnYhjwFJ0b3+lMzQO56aj7Ie4+REHJZjX9/2oNh84/k32cLhtU2zkGpKT3bixT qO6vHonBanNU3cAH4fy1E1Z8KiRvvesL0FSZQHGO+4cfwc5cHHqik2cqAzMhR7FIVMn3 2Bsd9HNbExJtRruQC+4joXAKR94p26J7VZXtWyiWu/2CapKnh651KJrJwNBF3P85DLYe swng== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.190.197 with SMTP id gs5mr28701696pac.145.1422881200801; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 04:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.6.195 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 04:46:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87h9v4jxde.fsf@gmx.de> References: <87r3u8k065.fsf@gmx.de> <87mw4wjyqi.fsf@gmx.de> <87h9v4jxde.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:46:40 +0900 Message-ID: From: crocket Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) You shouldn't set HISTFILE to /dev/null in the first place. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Michael Albinus wrote: > crocket writes: > >> On bash, if you become root, and set HISTFILE to /dev/null and >> HISTFILESIZE to a very small number, and execute more than >> $HISTFILESIZE commands, and exit bash, then >> you'll see /dev/null replaced with a regular file with permission 600. > > Tramp doesn't set HISTFILESIZE to any value. Maybe it should set it to a > reasonable large number, when HISTFILE is set to /dev/null? > >> If you can't reproduce it, then I'll test tramp on emacs 25 with >> 'tramp-histfile-override' set to 'unset'. > > Please do. > > Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 13:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: crocket Cc: 19731@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.142288229521519 (code B ref 19731); Mon, 02 Feb 2015 13:05:02 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2015 13:04:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60100 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIGgR-0005az-0i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 08:04:55 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:58161) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIGgP-0005an-8j for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 08:04:53 -0500 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.50.120]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MVNWU-1Y9u8B0brK-00YeOV; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 14:04:45 +0100 From: Michael Albinus References: <87r3u8k065.fsf@gmx.de> <87mw4wjyqi.fsf@gmx.de> <87h9v4jxde.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 14:04:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: (crocket's message of "Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:46:40 +0900") Message-ID: <87d25sjwgj.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:4RaNipW+9iRAZ3nJ6y/t/68Kv1d14s3DNdt5u7Mgiu2UVpUPBGd j1aT09ErAtkmwly2KQB2ffJK0Z6eHx4Ah4arl7wk80nmWqoSPj2ma90JI638lvSjTYFwJEj jlQ5d/26FojjuMlS4laQ0GsYgoXW6s/gHZmWEsmQ+juSfwfLpIxmFviJfyFVE7PBC04kasI jANjNBZXGAq87nDuPYO4w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) crocket writes: > You shouldn't set HISTFILE to /dev/null in the first place. Well, I'm kind of conservative. Setting HISTFILE to /dev/null is the default for years, and your report is the first one about this problem. I wouldn't say that we shouldn't change it, but it needs more compatibility tests for supported shells. This could be any bournish shell, even very old ones. Also all flavors of busybox, etc pp. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: crocket Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 14:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: 19731@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.142288674528339 (code B ref 19731); Mon, 02 Feb 2015 14:20:02 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2015 14:19:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60124 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIHqC-0007N0-B3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 09:19:04 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f49.google.com ([209.85.220.49]:60260) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIHq9-0007MR-Jo for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 09:19:02 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id fa1so82910528pad.8 for <19731@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 06:18:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=4WY7VdrglW0c7taN5x8e274HgWoWUvbSPwwMl99DHDo=; b=0kXgkJW1EelHizaV906qRpNgdw7HH79RtDFG649arL0LDoobflTxhjyu9xXAJs+0K2 fg+1H7dFH/DcXKN7awECIg2SiZtq9y843P/ghxdp1imggkVDcyq4g93tetQQE1jZbnaA IStQChFOzwoZNEFFeh8MDcGfvvDzmWVDeJ5sZyAAck/d7vsT0cnJf9N6HS5qj2oYzLwR 5qjYutaNXu/CuaV44WZs9bj6pawtKLYssRcCXEVaZMJ8mDmD+w6rkk/4zBWlwFckn1M/ KhJK0seFUGAVjsJeb6BQOP73dSBUF6cv9rn8NuCGLupa9ojhI+gFyq3vwy+tay8ap9NX xnrA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.227.6 with SMTP id rw6mr29712065pbc.2.1422886735676; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 06:18:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.6.195 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 06:18:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87d25sjwgj.fsf@gmx.de> References: <87r3u8k065.fsf@gmx.de> <87mw4wjyqi.fsf@gmx.de> <87h9v4jxde.fsf@gmx.de> <87d25sjwgj.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 23:18:55 +0900 Message-ID: From: crocket Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Bash guys hate to see HISTFILE set to /dev/null, and they say it is stupid to do so. In their mind, setting HISTFILE to /dev/null or any other character device leads to vulnerabilities for now. However, they are willing to deal with the HISTFILE issue because bash shouldn't delete /dev/null in any case. If bash guys consider it as a vulnerability, I think it is wise for emacs guys to avoid it on their side. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Michael Albinus wrote: > crocket writes: > >> You shouldn't set HISTFILE to /dev/null in the first place. > > Well, I'm kind of conservative. Setting HISTFILE to /dev/null is the > default for years, and your report is the first one about this problem. > > I wouldn't say that we shouldn't change it, but it needs more > compatibility tests for supported shells. This could be any bournish > shell, even very old ones. Also all flavors of busybox, etc pp. > > Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 15:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: crocket Cc: 19731@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.14228907582888 (code B ref 19731); Mon, 02 Feb 2015 15:26:01 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2015 15:25:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60555 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIIsw-0000kW-8y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 10:25:58 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:59840) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIIsu-0000kD-6r for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 10:25:56 -0500 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.50.120]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MfEsY-1Y2PcP2N8U-00On15; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 16:25:47 +0100 From: Michael Albinus References: <87r3u8k065.fsf@gmx.de> <87mw4wjyqi.fsf@gmx.de> <87h9v4jxde.fsf@gmx.de> <87d25sjwgj.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 16:25:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: (crocket's message of "Mon, 2 Feb 2015 23:18:55 +0900") Message-ID: <87y4ogibd2.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:L72xTdI27AoNSCriafENlBm9JLG61HpHOjqN1qcl0JYP8sfup6n k8sElSYBqHhD+OCR//q+9dlGHkjwG/Lp6V9AIizLRYnztOKvLQgeOnTJTs7yu3X4AFPZZ4I AwQAnugeb1tx3ntTNVD+FzbpGH9kLAkChP4UugOX7YMEOnnDOZ5/jClQOV67IlhIpIQHe0D lu/Jxoa8OgHTWwGi89tXQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) crocket writes: > If bash guys consider it as a vulnerability, I think it is wise for > emacs guys to avoid it on their side. Hmmm. Emacs 25 is still in development, so it might not be too harmful. I'll set `unset' as default; let's wait for complaints ... Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 18:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: 19731@debbugs.gnu.org, crocket Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.142290265126702 (code B ref 19731); Mon, 02 Feb 2015 18:45:02 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2015 18:44:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60619 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YILyk-0006wb-Pt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 13:44:11 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:54269) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YILyh-0006w9-FU for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 13:44:08 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsPAOwQflRsoX+8/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVaxR0EAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCws0EhQYDSSISgnWWQEBAQEGAQEBAR6QbweESAWLAZIxj3OCCoF4hBkhgncBAQE X-IPAS-Result: AjsPAOwQflRsoX+8/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVaxR0EAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCws0EhQYDSSISgnWWQEBAQEGAQEBAR6QbweESAWLAZIxj3OCCoF4hBkhgncBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,502,1413259200"; d="scan'208";a="109471587" Received: from 108-161-127-188.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([108.161.127.188]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 02 Feb 2015 13:44:01 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id CC6AC66100; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 13:44:00 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <87r3u8k065.fsf@gmx.de> <87mw4wjyqi.fsf@gmx.de> <87h9v4jxde.fsf@gmx.de> <87d25sjwgj.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 13:44:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87d25sjwgj.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Mon, 02 Feb 2015 14:04:44 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > Well, I'm kind of conservative. Setting HISTFILE to /dev/null is the > default for years, and your report is the first one about this problem. It seems like a plain bug for bash to do what it does (does it also turn a symlink into a plain file? wouldn't that also be a bug?), but I wonder: what could Tramp do instead of setting HISTFILE to /dev/null? Could unsetting it result in the same behavior (i.e. not save Tramp's commands to any file)? Stefan From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 19:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 19731@debbugs.gnu.org, crocket Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.1422906656801 (code B ref 19731); Mon, 02 Feb 2015 19:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2015 19:50:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60649 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIN1L-0000Cr-VR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 14:50:56 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:49290) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIN1J-0000Cc-48 for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 14:50:53 -0500 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.50.120]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lj1Xa-1XfBz20Vw6-00dHnh; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:50:42 +0100 From: Michael Albinus References: <87r3u8k065.fsf@gmx.de> <87mw4wjyqi.fsf@gmx.de> <87h9v4jxde.fsf@gmx.de> <87d25sjwgj.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:50:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 02 Feb 2015 13:44:00 -0500") Message-ID: <87d25s2ium.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:9CYQ01FU2VFavsoi5ttghpzF/Y+rsNzdRRYX51v3bCLOAj2byRB N28hihHNtD1pjrB76kIDDFf4rzUS4RZRAc6WMuhEKJbIfsWeNKofTJap8PdEiaWm+aAGtMp +hGzDgJ2VaTp6HswtTRGHv0DU9UAG7P6abLOd3JkTL4fJ1sR9+q+1630Riyl32WCnz7mjrG pUByoYornJHIc3wRMBhQw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Stefan Monnier writes: >> Well, I'm kind of conservative. Setting HISTFILE to /dev/null is the >> default for years, and your report is the first one about this problem. > > It seems like a plain bug for bash to do what it does Looks to me like this. > (does it also > turn a symlink into a plain file? wouldn't that also be a bug?), but > I wonder: what could Tramp do instead of setting HISTFILE to /dev/null? > Could unsetting it result in the same behavior (i.e. not save Tramp's > commands to any file)? That's how I understood the doc. Hope somebody will test it. > Stefan Best regards, Michael. PS: I've changed the corresponding value of `tramp-histfile-override' to t instead of `unset'. It looks more natural to Lisp. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: Stefan Monnier , crocket , 19731@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.14229076977799 (code B ref 19731); Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:09:02 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2015 20:08:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60711 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YINI8-00021i-Rh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 15:08:17 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:47022 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YINI6-00021a-8d for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 15:08:14 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YINI3-000151-SX; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 15:08:12 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: <87r3u8k065.fsf@gmx.de> <87mw4wjyqi.fsf@gmx.de> <87h9v4jxde.fsf@gmx.de> <87d25sjwgj.fsf@gmx.de> <87d25s2ium.fsf@gmx.de> X-Spook: Yukon computer terrorism genetic Kosovo ASDIC South X-Ran: K&-tFRdJ,|9SUMqO^}9f[WlRhOTbUe8ejbXabUgQ14c>kq4.TB'h X-Hue: blue X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 15:08:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87d25s2ium.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:50:41 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Michael Albinus wrote: >> It seems like a plain bug for bash to do what it does > > Looks to me like this. I don't think the bash folks disagree, but as always the question is what to do about it: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-bash/2015-01/msg00138.html >> I wonder: what could Tramp do instead of setting HISTFILE to /dev/null? >> Could unsetting it result in the same behavior (i.e. not save Tramp's >> commands to any file)? > > That's how I understood the doc. Hope somebody will test it. http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/fc.html says that If the HISTFILE variable is not set, the shell may attempt to access or create a file .sh_history in the directory referred to by the HOME environment variable. and indeed by experiment with bash 4.2.45, that is exactly what happes with HISTFILE unset and using "bash --posix". So (probably) you can't win. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: crocket Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 03:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: Michael Albinus , Stefan Monnier , 19731@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.142293279130031 (code B ref 19731); Tue, 03 Feb 2015 03:07:02 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2015 03:06:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60845 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YITos-0007oI-GK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 22:06:30 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f49.google.com ([209.85.220.49]:42928) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YITor-0007o6-7P for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 22:06:29 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id fa1so90294666pad.8 for <19731@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 19:06:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=X8B3NdXij5AaNzBMebGASAR5QW62hDiH3inYeJZj/UE=; b=k9PL1MGInaigLrAKYXjlwp+aeBMLyZhzfb3dQ64D7BU1mxLgXEV3bG1GiZMT+KybXc 6xRqCgSHml04s+YNE/FgaMpk//3eytXlLbWP8IEywmJ04oXTunKW6peSxrYswZtGwoJI 9LoEf91DcYrCZjsNDvJDSe/962ECzWgSR9qT5SX8Q7B0eLqEsdd3EAmoF+11SXpL8fAw G/sI7THpDXMG7gWHaaQOkErs5F2lpdT9i1JTLD8QXGGR+nLSXFJb0N4WJ+UutEmqA6jL k1elYRXMKgQjvz2omuLMv/hMjnRpwCG2zyqcAEbTJNwIpGK3fQ3DTIGXbxG9Jhu6UIc+ o6WQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.221.165 with SMTP id qf5mr1786420pbc.101.1422932783547; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 19:06:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.6.195 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 19:06:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.6.195 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 19:06:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <87r3u8k065.fsf@gmx.de> <87mw4wjyqi.fsf@gmx.de> <87h9v4jxde.fsf@gmx.de> <87d25sjwgj.fsf@gmx.de> <87d25s2ium.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 12:06:23 +0900 Message-ID: From: crocket Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1cdba1a499d050e265bf7 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --e89a8ff1cdba1a499d050e265bf7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Unsetting HISTFILE and setting HISTFILESIZE to 0 disables history logging altogether on bash. On Feb 3, 2015 5:08 AM, "Glenn Morris" wrote: > Michael Albinus wrote: > > >> It seems like a plain bug for bash to do what it does > > > > Looks to me like this. > > I don't think the bash folks disagree, but as always the question is > what to do about it: > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-bash/2015-01/msg00138.html > > >> I wonder: what could Tramp do instead of setting HISTFILE to /dev/null? > >> Could unsetting it result in the same behavior (i.e. not save Tramp's > >> commands to any file)? > > > > That's how I understood the doc. Hope somebody will test it. > > http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/fc.html > > says that > > If the HISTFILE variable is not set, the shell may attempt to access > or create a file .sh_history in the directory referred to by the HOME > environment variable. > > and indeed by experiment with bash 4.2.45, that is exactly what happes > with HISTFILE unset and using "bash --posix". > > So (probably) you can't win. > --e89a8ff1cdba1a499d050e265bf7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Unsetting HISTFILE and setting HISTFILESIZE to 0 disables hi= story logging altogether on bash.

On Feb 3, 2015 5:08 AM, "Glenn Morris"= <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:
Michael Albinus wrote:

>> It seems like a plain bug for bash to do what it does
>
> Looks to me like this.

I don't think the bash folks disagree, but as always the question is what to do about it:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-bash/2015-01/msg0= 0138.html

>> I wonder: what could Tramp do instead of setting HISTFILE to /dev/= null?
>> Could unsetting it result in the same behavior (i.e. not save Tram= p's
>> commands to any file)?
>
> That's how I understood the doc. Hope somebody will test it.

http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilit= ies/fc.html

says that

=C2=A0 =C2=A0If the HISTFILE variable is not set, the shell may attempt to = access
=C2=A0 =C2=A0or create a file .sh_history in the directory referred to by t= he HOME
=C2=A0 =C2=A0environment variable.

and indeed by experiment with bash 4.2.45, that is exactly what happes
with HISTFILE unset and using "bash --posix".

So (probably) you can't win.
--e89a8ff1cdba1a499d050e265bf7-- From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 08:35:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: crocket Cc: Glenn Morris , Stefan Monnier , 19731@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.142295247826354 (code B ref 19731); Tue, 03 Feb 2015 08:35:01 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2015 08:34:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60904 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIYwQ-0006r0-2p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 03:34:38 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:52482) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIYwL-0006qk-VP for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 03:34:34 -0500 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.50.8]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MDyFr-1YR8ao3q2B-00HKxP; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:34:22 +0100 From: Michael Albinus References: <87r3u8k065.fsf@gmx.de> <87mw4wjyqi.fsf@gmx.de> <87h9v4jxde.fsf@gmx.de> <87d25sjwgj.fsf@gmx.de> <87d25s2ium.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:34:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: (crocket's message of "Tue, 3 Feb 2015 12:06:23 +0900") Message-ID: <87zj8vz94l.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:9fvA4LEIrm9AcYhvjTMug5mWdDqhmypasHC4NNEkMDqrKfDzLC3 y63AacGmoHi6ZZ0d9a9IBo063gSmMyzek8BTE8PaSzUN9kR+j//ObP9bleJ1hJEt7MrL6vv SfLWqKXaM5S4XiLZlPPGMcOTIU+GUDzVa7Rc6QeBmzF+JB5MrErYDTgcs49yr5RZ9pQxjBL obICdtXp2Di8tlgx/VbjA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) crocket writes: > Unsetting HISTFILE and setting HISTFILESIZE to 0 disables history > logging altogether on bash. HISTFILESIZE is bashism. Other shells use HISTSIZE. > On Feb 3, 2015 5:08 AM, "Glenn Morris" wrote: > > http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/fc.html > > says that > > If the HISTFILE variable is not set, the shell may attempt to > access > or create a file .sh_history in the directory referred to by the > HOME > environment variable. > > and indeed by experiment with bash 4.2.45, that is exactly what > happes > with HISTFILE unset and using "bash --posix". > > So (probably) you can't win. Now, when I unset HISTFILE in Tramp, I also set HISTFILESIZE and HISTSIZE to 0. And hope it works with most shells. Praying won't help. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: 19731@debbugs.gnu.org, crocket Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.142295461429432 (code B ref 19731); Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:11:01 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2015 09:10:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60923 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIZUr-0007ec-Fy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 04:10:13 -0500 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:56176 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIZUp-0007eU-DB for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 04:10:11 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at test-mx.suse.de Received: from relay2.suse.de (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D80ACA9; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 09:10:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas Schwab References: <87r3u8k065.fsf@gmx.de> <87mw4wjyqi.fsf@gmx.de> <87h9v4jxde.fsf@gmx.de> <87d25sjwgj.fsf@gmx.de> <87d25s2ium.fsf@gmx.de> <87zj8vz94l.fsf@gmx.de> X-Yow: Is this BOISE?? Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:10:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87zj8vz94l.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:34:18 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Michael Albinus writes: > HISTFILESIZE is bashism. Other shells use HISTSIZE. bash uses both. HISTFILESIZE The maximum number of lines this file can contain. HISTSIZE The maximum number of history lines that a running shell can access. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 19731@debbugs.gnu.org, crocket Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.142295542130626 (code B ref 19731); Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:24:02 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2015 09:23:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60927 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIZht-0007xt-06 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 04:23:41 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:59203) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIZhr-0007xe-3Q for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 04:23:39 -0500 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.50.8]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MJBEo-1YLKav0rTm-002qNc; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:23:31 +0100 From: Michael Albinus References: <87r3u8k065.fsf@gmx.de> <87mw4wjyqi.fsf@gmx.de> <87h9v4jxde.fsf@gmx.de> <87d25sjwgj.fsf@gmx.de> <87d25s2ium.fsf@gmx.de> <87zj8vz94l.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:23:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:10:07 +0100") Message-ID: <87vbjjz6um.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:opkP3X/lsI7yvpzoduuAoXsRPlC2Isornk+gCwkTTbXMSlg/qKd /43LaaKkU51iNtjEDSAnj0iTZKi4w2EzRZY4T1m9Pi2hJgHy9qOa1cmaiOKgBTo1b6zEwzs 2AAAuAHr+Q2Innjc+c3BQc/8+HtS8TO7E+qB+QxFPBwbvZkfu8CcaKPFX3RLolyU/Pg37du MEf/fPQwuVRwER3MlpjSg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Andreas Schwab writes: > HISTFILESIZE The maximum number of lines this file can contain. > HISTSIZE The maximum number of history lines that a running > shell can access. Yes. But for the history file, only HISTFILESIZE seems to be relevant. That's what counts for Tramp. > Andreas. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 16:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: 19731@debbugs.gnu.org, crocket , Stefan Monnier Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.142298245918414 (code B ref 19731); Tue, 03 Feb 2015 16:55:01 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2015 16:54:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33099 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIgjy-0004mv-Uk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:54:19 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:49727 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YIgjx-0004mm-99 for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:54:17 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YIgjv-0001uc-0U; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:54:15 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: <87r3u8k065.fsf@gmx.de> <87mw4wjyqi.fsf@gmx.de> <87h9v4jxde.fsf@gmx.de> <87d25sjwgj.fsf@gmx.de> <87d25s2ium.fsf@gmx.de> <87zj8vz94l.fsf@gmx.de> X-Spook: Attorney General Crowell diwn bemd ANDVT lock picking red X-Ran: 04Ewo]arba@rq58X0.bq\=Ky)>MTkS!Jxd]0'X\_000|N}]_"4zyoT&42r(=B&dW*G.)sK X-Hue: black X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:54:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87zj8vz94l.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:34:18 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Michael Albinus wrote: > Now, when I unset HISTFILE in Tramp, I also set HISTFILESIZE and > HISTSIZE to 0. I'd be concerned that that might mean "use the default history file, and truncate it to zero size [even if it already existed]" to some shell, but I haven't actually checked. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el References: In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Alad Wenter Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:45:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 19731@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.142324105215456 (code B ref -1); Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:45:04 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2015 16:44:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35804 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YJm0q-00041E-37 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:44:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51411) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YJgfy-0002RF-Mz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 06:02:19 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YJgfs-0001hR-I2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 06:02:13 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:34369) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YJgfs-0001hD-EY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 06:02:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53049) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YJgfo-0001j0-MP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 06:02:12 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YJgfW-0001Ri-VQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 06:02:08 -0500 Received: from mail.archlinux.info ([78.129.137.222]:51985) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YJgfW-0001RQ-LW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 06:01:50 -0500 Received: from [172.29.201.41] (natoutside1.wlan.uni-koeln.de [134.95.7.243]) by mail.archlinux.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 780A8A60700 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2015 11:01:44 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <54D49F1C.5000605@archlinux.info> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 12:01:48 +0100 From: Alad Wenter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:44:10 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Could you provide some more detail on unsetting $HISTFILE? Symlinking /bin/sh to zsh seems a bit drastic.. Alad From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:14:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19731: 24.4; /dev/null is deleted by tramp-sh.el Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 10:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19731 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Alad Wenter Cc: 19731@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19731-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19731.142338992832087 (code B ref 19731); Sun, 08 Feb 2015 10:06:02 +0000 Received: (at 19731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2015 10:05:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37162 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YKOk3-0008LT-VN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Feb 2015 05:05:28 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:62797) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YKOk0-0008LB-9q for 19731@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Feb 2015 05:05:25 -0500 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.57.51]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MLvGW-1YH5LU3v5Q-007iwg; Sun, 08 Feb 2015 11:05:17 +0100 From: Michael Albinus References: <54D49F1C.5000605@archlinux.info> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 11:05:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: <54D49F1C.5000605@archlinux.info> (Alad Wenter's message of "Fri, 06 Feb 2015 12:01:48 +0100") Message-ID: <87lhk890ro.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:eoHV5ffbG2dhMkkCt5a3gpHxFCMfuMcH3na1dlj/FFzcG4RzBK4 MZ/b2G4rZmUzP2DfE6zZXawFMiKfVemKLm2IG5CiR0Q0pN6P9VKeFWSIw/D0BoWr2ZeGumB AhCmW/sNlk9CszJri3TPVSZVn+EQVlzoWYS/TgvDcPIc2YicVViI6niZVXMrtfZaadWNp55 sPPrUFNOF+2pAFA3U3IGQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Alad Wenter writes: > Could you provide some more detail on unsetting $HISTFILE? Symlinking > /bin/sh to zsh seems a bit drastic.. Tramp does it meanwhile in Emacs 25.0.50 (not symlinking sh to zsh :-) When it opens a connection, it calls exec env ENV='' HISTFILE='' HISTFILESIZE=0 HISTSIZE=0 PROMPT_COMMAND='' PS1=\#\$\ PS2='' PS3='' /bin/sh This seems to be sufficient. > Alad Best regards, Michael. 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