From unknown Thu Aug 21 12:11:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19548: VC changes under-documented, needlessly incompatible Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 17:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 19548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 19548@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.142082528729169 (code B ref -1); Fri, 09 Jan 2015 17:42:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2015 17:41:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41080 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9dYs-0007aP-4m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 12:41:26 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:53351) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9dYl-0007aB-Fh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 12:41:19 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9dYj-0007nA-2u; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 12:41:17 -0500 From: Glenn Morris X-Spook: warfare NATO plutonium Armani USDOJ Saudi Arabia X-Ran: /Md*!BKpG,|CnHnC6CUz>v~r.p}ui`dVtuG"/N_TAyY-0{poM2WY+rKXk+Dh%H8\}Z!;>u X-Hue: white X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 12:41:16 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Package: emacs Version: 25.0.50 There have been extensive changes to VC in master, but there is zero mention of any of it in NEWS. Normally one lists every changed user-option and non-internal function. Also, the changes are more incompatible than they need to be. For example, in Emacs 24.4 there is a user option vc-cvs-stay-local. In master, it was deleted in favour of vc-stay-local. Use of define-obsolete-variable-alias would ease the transition. Probably there are other such cases, as well as cases where setting advertised-calling-convention rather than simply deleting function arguments would help. 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Raymond" Received: via spool by 19548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19548.146275093914187 (code B ref 19548); Sun, 08 May 2016 23:43:02 +0000 Received: (at 19548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 May 2016 23:42:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43582 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1azYL5-0003gl-8W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2016 19:42:19 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f47.google.com ([74.125.82.47]:38700) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1azYL3-0003gZ-JH for 19548@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2016 19:42:18 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f47.google.com with SMTP id g17so159278246wme.1 for <19548@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 08 May 2016 16:42:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2Tu3KxtkfmXUQdnXJG8RD6QX7Q3PZjeLS+B1sihUAus=; b=rRU4TRBMfx06GQtpPpXBM4VaTG8q6iEQKgvd3XBqAwLu8bqCk+cZCG/SzZRkMrCiYv tY/rNHX//GPwMZ/tGQzmyKt4ryUW8HppwQb0DrSbEnT85NAXLoCtTrU9vugEqBud7Dsp Vjt9Y9Tdqlp5Q0xSOqVOWG+0/AqFgA4FthewH0yDQI16iRTiqX2Ztd2axLgZiSs927f0 4ZULmlZbpweEinGcQq+VOQ/KKm23V84GmOG6J5jQW9aVlVRqfkRmoluiSs0QaY//2Gy1 hVC99BQHFEyziQNP160RSi+9oKY7/Bryoxp8m3S37UD051QlAOLxahZyXjRPb/waFDSB 6DUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2Tu3KxtkfmXUQdnXJG8RD6QX7Q3PZjeLS+B1sihUAus=; b=Xhul2zjAnTjtlkREfqekVp+J4FoN6v4sFKxns9B1KEkdkp+CmcYlpb5yLLDwSq3MkD M1vF1+qKJ+FyPprP8b1XAeV9TzLT2aBz/WkNptBn8wslRuoRnSC39wuZ2w4k5H3Z1cNn 1eRY2+CydrdTXQoA1a1OfOJrAVzQRPW8IYtBwCoubyj0635N+QNOhGxrhSvkiBn6htuA /zb9+zRc/Lq/FRhhrWWAdXH+e1LPPlXiboqQqbEMbM9EVzYPrS2Ff8XbKvno/YurrThq w+V40wVcCocewZDi7XgtaIDMqnHKROBEGLQl0mFWI/nHsMV8lzBUklprXGy4E3zxYY19 Q6Yg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FXe17ldwGSu/E2YtWdjf8CIxWjQGdmU0XrbHoE7VwLCJOEEf60FVvDgtLDuW0/uDw== X-Received: by 10.28.210.72 with SMTP id j69mr8448258wmg.12.1462750931881; Sun, 08 May 2016 16:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id n66sm21259058wmf.6.2016.05.08.16.42.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 08 May 2016 16:42:11 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 02:42:09 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 01/09/2015 07:41 PM, Glenn Morris wrote: Sorry about saying it this late, but: > Also, the changes are more incompatible than they need to be. > For example, in Emacs 24.4 there is a user option vc-cvs-stay-local. > In master, it was deleted in favour of vc-stay-local. Looking at the commit that made this (185320a5), I see no reason for there to be vc-stay-local. Quite the opposite, the commit message says: "The CVS back end retaiin this machibery and the vc-stay-local configuration variable now only affects it." Why don't we remove vc-stay-local instead, and keep the appropriately named vc-cvs-stay-local? Do we expect vc-stay-local to have been a lot more popular to customize? Then indeed it can become an alias. > Probably there are other such cases, as well as cases where setting > advertised-calling-convention rather than simply deleting function > arguments would help. If you could point out the specific ones, that would be helpful. From unknown Thu Aug 21 12:11:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19548: VC changes under-documented, needlessly incompatible Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 21:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 19548@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19548.14631735369523 (code B ref 19548); Fri, 13 May 2016 21:06:02 +0000 Received: (at 19548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 May 2016 21:05:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50280 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b1KHA-0002TX-5e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2016 17:05:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38467) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b1KH8-0002TL-HE for 19548@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2016 17:05:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b1KH2-0003ZY-OQ for 19548@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2016 17:05:29 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44084) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b1KH2-0003ZR-LO for 19548@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2016 17:05:28 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1b1KH0-0002Vz-Ty; Fri, 13 May 2016 17:05:27 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: X-Spook: MP5K-SD FARC number key Warning Flu Osama MILSATCOM Riot X-Ran: 1*_fmGxr5$5Lk&7H0=~?+_.[y-;1Vx%0j=lmHK_L:^TJs)fE31 (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Mon, 9 May 2016 02:42:09 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Dmitry Gutov wrote: >> Probably there are other such cases, as well as cases where setting >> advertised-calling-convention rather than simply deleting function >> arguments would help. > > If you could point out the specific ones, that would be helpful. I can't be bothered to check. If no-one else can either, then obv. there's no point keeping this report open - feel free to close it. From unknown Thu Aug 21 12:11:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19548: VC changes under-documented, needlessly incompatible Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov Resent-Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 07:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 19548@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 19548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19548.14632116699732 (code B ref 19548); Sat, 14 May 2016 07:42:01 +0000 Received: (at 19548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2016 07:41:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50405 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b1UCC-0002Wu-Pt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2016 03:41:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49134) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b1UCB-0002Wh-Lf for 19548@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2016 03:41:07 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b1UC1-0000QI-20 for 19548@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2016 03:41:02 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52421) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b1UC0-0000Q4-V2 for 19548@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2016 03:40:56 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1415 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1b1UBt-0005Zr-2O; Sat, 14 May 2016 03:40:55 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 10:41:04 +0300 Message-Id: <83a8jt84tr.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Fri, 13 May 2016 17:05:26 -0400) References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > From: Glenn Morris > Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 17:05:26 -0400 > > Dmitry Gutov wrote: > > >> Probably there are other such cases, as well as cases where setting > >> advertised-calling-convention rather than simply deleting function > >> arguments would help. > > > > If you could point out the specific ones, that would be helpful. > > I can't be bothered to check. If no-one else can either, then obv. > there's no point keeping this report open - feel free to close it. Can you list the issues that prompted you to give the bug report its subject line? I'm sure you bumped into more than one of them. In addition to the few mentioned explicitly in the OP, are there any others? Thanks. From unknown Thu Aug 21 12:11:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19548: VC changes under-documented, needlessly incompatible Resent-From: Dmitry Gutov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 23:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris , 19548@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: "Eric S. Raymond" Received: via spool by 19548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19548.146335546317925 (code B ref 19548); Sun, 15 May 2016 23:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 19548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 May 2016 23:37:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53080 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b25bT-0004f3-Ax for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 May 2016 19:37:43 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f47.google.com ([74.125.82.47]:36265) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b25bR-0004eq-4m for 19548@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 May 2016 19:37:41 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f47.google.com with SMTP id n129so82196919wmn.1 for <19548@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 15 May 2016 16:37:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3x9C0c2YPgartmUXEk/LpNNCdLNjZs4QrfSAPZalz6Y=; b=f1A4sfDyf5WTTjPqhWeN//ECRGdyFOd+qvADAmam+1KhOoTWk2jDlNViNzPJmyU44H T9qKjcrTZWnkcXA2GZ9npH0MkiZ3yYoOeNH7pGefRjWrPpI4P6mTHWedGev0LDCfawCM +1/weFaqjgCKEd/euZtqCJiZAaOA12N7XRmWu8uNZqDd5+ft/j+bT8mu3vOBydMjb1Uh /+vUOAkTq5GSM0D4Y+J6NccYaZYvjJyYnXjeWF55e1o41/pWkrZK45Dm8FtavQhPpS2S dcOYx2swjSEbuEKt/P7Fv9feX2gSElabojSf37N7cR4rhGTm54d7PSWNHN2f7xb6BlnY 7hQA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3x9C0c2YPgartmUXEk/LpNNCdLNjZs4QrfSAPZalz6Y=; b=Gv7UiVPQE296RhLKOZUuDt3LtCpWtlv+UjLY7cKjNB4zRKYoE4SGCUV3stBj9lMhOX Fc0o4wZ69jeo9s5TpxCztwL5Jobfw6wKI3L2tQ3kJJ5PECRwTLAec3SK7xrTUcGDWmhV it3MpqwErYtI1m2KAhtuzMDMnDD/liFiwLJg0w7IgFEm8Hx2XCDiv9kgbBhF7oQOTP3g teX56HpH1AnGdVfRm3qyl9h/jTDDfHy2JE+daOYlUE+UiU2m3FzspBunghVtHOmgr7sD gJPPxnY91m93TB20/ozkOgC9Y2hLfKcwOiqBP9sGTWPLoiZScEIc2zMka63xakhjR0OK lung== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVLAMf8i3LU6ipYRceDPdck9vqYEXTcRvTZ6XAgqbar0p1n9ZxUPYxexITT7w+yPw== X-Received: by 10.195.11.34 with SMTP id ef2mr26105725wjd.101.1463355455598; Sun, 15 May 2016 16:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id d79sm15343870wmi.23.2016.05.15.16.37.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 15 May 2016 16:37:34 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <4cbd510d-80a3-276a-3d80-0a80c8e8143d@yandex.ru> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 02:37:33 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 05/09/2016 02:42 AM, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > Why don't we remove vc-stay-local instead, and keep the appropriately > named vc-cvs-stay-local? > > Do we expect vc-stay-local to have been a lot more popular to customize? > Then indeed it can become an alias. On the other hand, vc-cvs-stay-local-p contains this bit of code: (let* ((sym (vc-make-backend-sym 'CVS 'stay-local)) (stay-local (if (boundp sym) (symbol-value sym) vc-stay-local))) which seems like it will ensure that if the user has customized both vc-stay-local and vc-cvs-stay-local, the latter will win out (which won't necessarily happen if we just declare the former to be an obsolete alias of the latter). So it seems we're actually buying some extra compatibility here at the cost of some complexity. Do we care about the above detail? If yes, vc-stay-local should remain as it is now. If not, I'll gladly rename it back to vc-cvs-stay-local, and create an obsolete alias. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 22 12:35:35 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 May 2016 16:35:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32980 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b4WLn-00007y-Mu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2016 12:35:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36944) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b4WLm-00007l-46 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2016 12:35:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b4WLc-00083X-6U for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2016 12:35:29 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51257) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b4WLc-000824-25 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2016 12:35:24 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2342 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1b4WLa-0003Ob-61 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2016 12:35:22 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 19:35:19 +0300 Message-Id: <8337pa6ofs.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Unblock X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) unblock 19759 by 17976 unblock 19759 by 19548 unblock 19759 by 21182 unblock 19759 by 21650 unblock 19759 by 21871 unblock 19759 by 21874 unblock 19759 by 22107 unblock 19759 by 22147 unblock 19759 by 22338 thanks From unknown Thu Aug 21 12:11:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19548: VC changes under-documented, needlessly incompatible Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 17:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Dmitry Gutov Cc: 19548@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org, esr@thyrsus.com Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 19548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19548.146402502819583 (code B ref 19548); Mon, 23 May 2016 17:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 19548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2016 17:37:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35087 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b4tmt-00055m-PI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 13:37:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55787) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b4tms-00055P-Vq for 19548@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 13:37:07 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b4tmm-00015P-OZ for 19548@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 13:37:01 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:46006) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b4tmh-00013y-AY; Mon, 23 May 2016 13:36:55 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3444 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1b4tme-0001ul-2b; Mon, 23 May 2016 13:36:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 20:36:41 +0300 Message-Id: <837fek65hy.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Mon, 9 May 2016 02:42:09 +0300) References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 02:42:09 +0300 > Cc: "Eric S. Raymond" > > Looking at the commit that made this (185320a5), I see no reason for > there to be vc-stay-local. Quite the opposite, the commit message says: > > "The CVS back end retaiin this machibery and the vc-stay-local > configuration variable now only affects it." > > Why don't we remove vc-stay-local instead, and keep the appropriately > named vc-cvs-stay-local? Will that also fix the typos in the log message? ;-) Anyway, I tend to agree to go back to vc-cvs-stay-local. From unknown Thu Aug 21 12:11:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19548: VC changes under-documented, needlessly incompatible Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 17:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Dmitry Gutov Cc: 19548@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org, esr@thyrsus.com Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 19548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19548.146402511519716 (code B ref 19548); Mon, 23 May 2016 17:39:01 +0000 Received: (at 19548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2016 17:38:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35092 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b4toJ-00057w-3D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 13:38:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56018) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b4toI-00057l-7w for 19548@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 13:38:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b4toC-0001Mf-Fg for 19548@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 13:38:29 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:46016) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b4toA-0001Ls-AK; Mon, 23 May 2016 13:38:26 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3445 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1b4to6-0001zb-0S; Mon, 23 May 2016 13:38:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 20:37:55 +0300 Message-Id: <8360u465fw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <4cbd510d-80a3-276a-3d80-0a80c8e8143d@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Mon, 16 May 2016 02:37:33 +0300) References: <4cbd510d-80a3-276a-3d80-0a80c8e8143d@yandex.ru> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 02:37:33 +0300 > Cc: "Eric S. Raymond" > > On the other hand, vc-cvs-stay-local-p contains this bit of code: > > (let* ((sym (vc-make-backend-sym 'CVS 'stay-local)) > (stay-local (if (boundp sym) (symbol-value sym) vc-stay-local))) > > which seems like it will ensure that if the user has customized both > vc-stay-local and vc-cvs-stay-local, the latter will win out (which > won't necessarily happen if we just declare the former to be an obsolete > alias of the latter). > > So it seems we're actually buying some extra compatibility here at the > cost of some complexity. Do we care about the above detail? I'm not sure I see the gain, given that (AFAIU) CVS is the only back-end for which this option is relevant. From unknown Thu Aug 21 12:11:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19548: VC changes under-documented, needlessly incompatible Resent-From: Dmitry Gutov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 22:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 19548@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org, esr@thyrsus.com Received: via spool by 19548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19548.146404378915261 (code B ref 19548); Mon, 23 May 2016 22:50:02 +0000 Received: (at 19548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2016 22:49:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35302 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b4yfV-0003y5-Bs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 18:49:49 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f43.google.com ([74.125.82.43]:36338) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b4yfU-0003xq-Bq for 19548@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 18:49:48 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f43.google.com with SMTP id n129so101689802wmn.1 for <19548@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 23 May 2016 15:49:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tuJF3yP9v8s3nrM/JshfF5PvRwns3aOY6Eu761528Bk=; b=NdyFE9jKv0DU/jQh47bKWexS8uf3GOwE2OXbLHpizmcMRuNqc3+VRKZM3E+Q8wb3HD Ua6HPSCeYb/pzBKE6F8chdReVQqw93DP583kajoFoIBjerBjY7I9k5Co1R5xAHUItViM tusHJEnfNs0p/LPFxiIaTBcF4OiNLrceeRkwhtrVxqptMnuL3DwUPVZIlT7wsO0gPQJl BBuYCNi7wcRwKQp+c3Jq5+3C0PKL14O+KaYvwzH2ovvNvWPvgLfpH50PXHu9HdAUrgli zzTG9pPWFYlIAkIrdN9XfQM6LJj8ThsC9BkjVfHWoJds0zTaByZ3NW91O7opw1Q9IDl6 eaBw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tuJF3yP9v8s3nrM/JshfF5PvRwns3aOY6Eu761528Bk=; b=E4nH/lodFCyHuVdr6GuERlRCyokD+bYFIn2vyJFr7khOSij4JXQ+v41TCV6cBPbhRd zhbPj+SZkztOk5O3yQ5uLblHILQFMfCWJdXi0/ZxBSadGm3MbXmp9WbBx23YuwzEH4ya zzdLxOm5UGZ65fhOIEk/UT97SWAchMrXbFd5lc/l55LeI2sIvxjpgY5qzpFXOuPRD/1q c7RFzt5UMZu4ceZsdQ7gFfO40y+xFn5+/ns9cAXYGwuAt57CljkU5QEJ13kN5vXMYE2f quWkapTVcumpSL/+btwpkQTjx2avHa4iXiQ6kCjkBxKsFJbwqd8yu8v0qWSvnOHGC7Ng c61Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKZ/Y3RhgBYGriM1F2LbW0uBO6HFYpNqzOz7PPTo0nAd8WCdYR8vX6gjmFVZfXEuw== X-Received: by 10.194.228.102 with SMTP id sh6mr1078742wjc.173.1464043782733; Mon, 23 May 2016 15:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e8sm37587069wjm.23.2016.05.23.15.49.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 23 May 2016 15:49:41 -0700 (PDT) References: <837fek65hy.fsf@gnu.org> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <488dc21e-25b3-58a5-e97e-a8fe884dce86@yandex.ru> Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 01:49:40 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <837fek65hy.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 05/23/2016 08:36 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Will that also fix the typos in the log message? ;-) I'm sure the next version of Reposurgeon will do that, as well as hunt down and correct all the respective messages in the mailing list archives. > Anyway, I tend to agree to go back to vc-cvs-stay-local. Cool. From unknown Thu Aug 21 12:11:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19548: VC changes under-documented, needlessly incompatible Resent-From: Dmitry Gutov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 23:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 19548@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org, esr@thyrsus.com Received: via spool by 19548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19548.146404486516868 (code B ref 19548); Mon, 23 May 2016 23:08:01 +0000 Received: (at 19548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2016 23:07:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35306 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b4ywq-0004O0-Tr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 19:07:45 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f65.google.com ([74.125.82.65]:36509) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b4ywp-0004Nn-88 for 19548@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2016 19:07:43 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f65.google.com with SMTP id q62so865714wmg.3 for <19548@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 23 May 2016 16:07:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Al0C1uaVCgyjP3QQpSepY9sSiGq3Q8687ePe4//K8Q8=; b=Ha6rjRnklR+nIbl9Grx9IJqMuNNYq9LgB5GB3sMjfrTFasNTuVtGT/QT8oHioS9Zun Qz5w+pNf2srrCrrVLarWRB6nfgZJgmcA9vslirBrjN/9/kPrVSgG38UBxVE4H8F/9mzM 4vkFXBYOrOouHGNI9gfMVxrcwflaLfFC41AUGLgLStR8ZvzWg1MpFmqGBebaEmpmhALh AaI30ipOnFCAFPfis9oyqP2f9h78s7vvVXr6UQS5hipMQlRRhRseCis2QO7DRMB4SgLv R+WFpPs/FUqxmuXI7eHEmN17NeEmTBUbw6fYV+lDLh3lZR1j83nDVr5P9rZiruDuQSm5 qXyA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Al0C1uaVCgyjP3QQpSepY9sSiGq3Q8687ePe4//K8Q8=; b=k2OlJx0fcMoLC+r161k6QEK4jCwchxTjBlYjwlMwsP/IJ6k5Jh/c5wcPDO5qhyAWl/ zs/qJc1VXzhHZUKR9o5HHAPbL5tH8ZxerCJkGRCZmWb9gZVaFjyLt8Bv+DDbqJito8bx Dc+m+EZ5hnmFRh10pjL6W78wAgs8WQgOPnEwJyVcz4g/bu4vhVQab70rSU5/oGnzxEfC gATOBWXvD/NXHn7YD3lmFt+YWNzAGiOsajUW/0y8B/cnnaInzbem05ZsSkUHypBfuB8V 7GU9vyp2xpXYBWcYZvbaFd2RbUzakqS2/DI6ObKGcbKAGGgSSACyrb3R9o2JyfeW7DOv IIXg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWrnGmqLAWM2GoFN+nwAzNPc/2dfL3z8i0RcFuZNgvsjhUcHeJA2auZQv4AOHS63g== X-Received: by 10.28.189.130 with SMTP id n124mr19992132wmf.76.1464044857765; Mon, 23 May 2016 16:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id s125sm15942895wms.14.2016.05.23.16.07.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 23 May 2016 16:07:37 -0700 (PDT) References: <4cbd510d-80a3-276a-3d80-0a80c8e8143d@yandex.ru> <8360u465fw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <66a5e406-c325-628c-109f-46973d94512d@yandex.ru> Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 02:07:35 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8360u465fw.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 05/23/2016 08:37 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I'm not sure I see the gain, given that (AFAIU) CVS is the only > back-end for which this option is relevant. For the benefit of someone who customized vc-stay-local 10 years ago? Not very compelling, I agree. Does this patch have your blessing? Someone should test it out, to be safe; the only CVS repo I have to experiment on doesn't seem to work great with either version of the code (but then, it's an old public checkout of the Samba repository). diff --git a/lisp/vc/vc-cvs.el b/lisp/vc/vc-cvs.el index 2dca708..a2499a2 100644 --- a/lisp/vc/vc-cvs.el +++ b/lisp/vc/vc-cvs.el @@ -121,7 +121,7 @@ vc-cvs-use-edit :version "21.1" :group 'vc-cvs) -(defcustom vc-stay-local 'only-file +(defcustom vc-cvs-stay-local 'only-file "Non-nil means use local operations when possible for remote repositories. This avoids slow queries over the network and instead uses heuristics and past information to determine the current status of a file. @@ -131,11 +131,11 @@ vc-stay-local all other VC operations. The value can also be a regular expression or list of regular -expressions to match against the host name of a repository; then VC -only stays local for hosts that match it. Alternatively, the value -can be a list of regular expressions where the first element is the -symbol `except'; then VC always stays local except for hosts matched -by these regular expressions." +expressions to match against the host name of a repository; then +vc-cvs only stays local for hosts that match it. Alternatively, +the value can be a list of regular expressions where the first +element is the symbol `except'; then vc-cvs always stays local +except for hosts matched by these regular expressions." :type '(choice (const :tag "Always stay local" t) (const :tag "Only for file operations" only-file) (const :tag "Don't stay local" nil) @@ -789,8 +789,7 @@ vc-cvs-stay-local-p individually should stay local." (if (listp file) (delq nil (mapcar (lambda (arg) (vc-cvs-stay-local-p arg)) file)) - (let* ((sym (vc-make-backend-sym 'CVS 'stay-local)) - (stay-local (if (boundp sym) (symbol-value sym) vc-stay-local))) + (let ((stay-local vc-cvs-stay-local)) (if (symbolp stay-local) stay-local (let ((dirname (if (file-directory-p file) (directory-file-name file) From unknown Thu Aug 21 12:11:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19548: VC changes under-documented, needlessly incompatible Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov Resent-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 15:35:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Dmitry Gutov Cc: 19548@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org, esr@thyrsus.com Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 19548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19548.146410406721289 (code B ref 19548); Tue, 24 May 2016 15:35:01 +0000 Received: (at 19548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2016 15:34:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36551 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b5ELi-0005XJ-SQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:34:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51390) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b5ELg-0005X4-Ng for 19548@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:34:25 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b5ELa-00071G-N0 for 19548@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:34:19 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60617) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b5ELS-0006xn-Ul; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:34:10 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4378 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1b5ELQ-00014h-9F; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:34:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 18:34:07 +0300 Message-Id: <83lh2z4gi8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <66a5e406-c325-628c-109f-46973d94512d@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Tue, 24 May 2016 02:07:35 +0300) References: <4cbd510d-80a3-276a-3d80-0a80c8e8143d@yandex.ru> <8360u465fw.fsf@gnu.org> <66a5e406-c325-628c-109f-46973d94512d@yandex.ru> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 19548@debbugs.gnu.org, esr@thyrsus.com > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 02:07:35 +0300 > > Does this patch have your blessing? Yes, it looks good to me. > Someone should test it out, to be safe; the only CVS repo I have to > experiment on doesn't seem to work great with either version of the code > (but then, it's an old public checkout of the Samba repository). You can try this one: http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/cvs.html Thanks. From unknown Thu Aug 21 12:11:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19548: VC changes under-documented, needlessly incompatible Resent-From: Dmitry Gutov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 01:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 19548@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org, esr@thyrsus.com Received: via spool by 19548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19548.14641383948570 (code B ref 19548); Wed, 25 May 2016 01:07:02 +0000 Received: (at 19548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 May 2016 01:06:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36873 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b5NHO-0002EA-4x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2016 21:06:34 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]:35239) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b5NHM-0002Dw-4a for 19548@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2016 21:06:32 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f53.google.com with SMTP id a136so100202953wme.0 for <19548@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 24 May 2016 18:06:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lx5G2P6hBu7id35mC5G9q1SqEhNAv/hYx77axkIj6GA=; b=GTSJ4W5PwvoICfK4ejT1Xfk5MY9Ba9KEfXvmiAOXJ4ahu1KlG4jQ9o1njuyL0zoiat +YpU9khCffshrqPgcj/nZ+7z10jwrq1VktUe3etg447x5X3hGsYT024VBNSLc7rLGcl8 xSrMr7zlxi/fP7IUCFXfO/iHBSBcco+7KjoSYrBT4QsOcoiBslEb4MlZ4zC39YP8LSp5 jaJ/vK94i46Skxpw+Q6EPzqTbULFZHJooVVloexozmklQy6vdtRKEcRr3kPDnJG7Lo89 n543SWeOxTmvfJqwgmKTrUhY4kCiJT6lMOhmE09NbuSaDquSAcMGfp955W0sIwcO243T 9rqg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lx5G2P6hBu7id35mC5G9q1SqEhNAv/hYx77axkIj6GA=; b=iiYn3fJqULg57xjU+tcYyJeN9n7JFZI4R2EaMtUm6evOsJU7vnNsuATeJCGDALz+Qo QnEa8BlVmH5Rk4QTl+JPfgBNNiIs6QVy4Zh0pFiXet0A9MflSj7Oup+94IQxLVtserD8 PZWXf/H57z0jsxekuGsB0jJqj9h9U19Bc0UXm95OfHFeL8piSB4IJBZFOw20Qj8C1c/d Lb+EehdUX2kwXFXqEMNJNkf0XOGpTuSdqH7+E0zkAPEIYXNDjKBmcDpNrxfrglV/ZGBo 1DFo6JZc0EH6Pb+ep3ezzWxt3LS6reasN8imFteVfLKwzQ0AVqS3ql6QFe3qPOcWh8PX ZV9w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIV4h73XYbnEEUnQyZtK0cz4fJAkOu4KRmD4xqiE5NGtgiJP/JpamqTUcK0r125MQ== X-Received: by 10.28.6.205 with SMTP id 196mr431501wmg.96.1464138386263; Tue, 24 May 2016 18:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 63sm21972903wmz.5.2016.05.24.18.06.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 24 May 2016 18:06:25 -0700 (PDT) References: <4cbd510d-80a3-276a-3d80-0a80c8e8143d@yandex.ru> <8360u465fw.fsf@gnu.org> <66a5e406-c325-628c-109f-46973d94512d@yandex.ru> <83lh2z4gi8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <66c1af4c-dd30-97cc-299e-5257af4f90de@yandex.ru> Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 04:06:24 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83lh2z4gi8.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 05/24/2016 06:34 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Yes, it looks good to me. Pushed, thanks. If someone would like to point out what else we're missing in this bug, that would be great. I've glanced through the "Changes from the pre-25.1 API" list, and one change we could make to improve backward compatibility there, is to catch wrong-number-of-arguments when calling the `diff' method, and retry with one fewer argument. Doesn't really seem worth the trouble, however. The list of changes is longer than that, and third-party backends will have to adapt anyway. Similarly, the change to dir-status-files could be smoothed over by continuing to pass some dummy fourth argument, but it's unclear when we'd be allowed to stop doing that. So maybe not doing that at all is just as valid an option. IIRC, nobody has really complained about their backend having stopped working. > You can try this one: > > http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/cvs.html Thanks. revert-buffer works *very* slowly with it using the default settings, but at least the results look correct. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 11 21:17:54 2017 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2017 02:17:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36085 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ccjje-0002i7-Mt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 21:17:54 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60829) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ccjjd-0002hv-DI for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 21:17:53 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ccjjX-0007Bg-G9 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 21:17:48 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41543) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ccjjX-0007Ba-D3 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 21:17:47 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ccjjX-00045Y-1S for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 21:17:47 -0500 Subject: control message for bug 19548 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 21:17:47 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) tag 19548 wontfix close 19548