From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:26:56 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#19503 <19503@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#19503 <19503@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: most translations of proper names aren't being used Reply-To: bug#19503 <19503@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 17:26:56 +0000 retitle 19503 most translations of proper names aren't being used reassign 19503 coreutils submitter 19503 Benno Schulenberg severity 19503 wishlist tag 19503 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 04 06:14:36 2015 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2015 11:14:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36007 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7j8l-0007o4-KN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 06:14:35 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56834) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7j8j-0007nu-1U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 06:14:33 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7j8i-0007NA-0x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 06:14:32 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:47003) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7j8h-0007N6-VA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 06:14:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58556) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7j8g-0007dL-Pa for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 06:14:31 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7j8d-0007Lt-J8 for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 06:14:30 -0500 Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:52998) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7j8d-0007Lp-Et for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 06:14:27 -0500 Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5A520AB9 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 06:14:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from web6 ([10.202.2.216]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 04 Jan 2015 06:14:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=justemail.net; h= message-id:x-sasl-enc:from:to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:subject:date; s=mesmtp; bh=SJ5lyr7uMmObM9/g50TV2vvKzuM=; b=wNH2h8EExsnvjYRrF1gWty1GtKxD yIN+1KpxMxdB7eLeVHbP7xXvZIW8MAZFH/myO8CyWAdeX97htD2kcaJPyitsIC+8 EISrURAcKFxjcZd9WG2AbNqnSrpWdgeVHsgdxVM/KM0LGTrr3tzEMRP0PkMaOeWz r2XpBpElRNYt/R4= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:x-sasl-enc:from:to :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:subject :date; s=smtpout; bh=SJ5lyr7uMmObM9/g50TV2vvKzuM=; b=HXiRNLjLnku WoFvwqrQi3pQCcWcaiOD+TGkg0yT5/797NhG1IZ/ZrTy/xZZUKtN0H0KIrP2LK64 jFr9/4L7Z1j4/zN7ylgZhpkXHZqOOkjMh9NKKVSeHKMW93VI5YPKYSoQpCI7+AGv fmBOzKRDaYEfc3HmkTGevuQkNmFpEyGQ= Received: by web6.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id A13BF52DB1; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 06:14:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1420370066.906719.209336553.0FE822F8@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: 8yaXW3icNI28GTzUIDwDLYR3lh5z3ebiegAyhj9QsTfv 1420370066 From: Benno Schulenberg To: Coreutils MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - html Subject: most translations of proper names aren't being used Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:14:26 +0100 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) Hi, Just now I noticed that 'du --version | tail -2' produces here this: Verkita de Torbjern GRANLUND (Torbj=C3=B6rn Granlund), David MacKenzie, Pau= l Eggert kaj Jim Meyering. whereas I expected it to produce this: Verkita de Torbjern GRANLUND (Torbj=C3=B6rn Granlund), David MEKENZI (David= MacKenzie), Pa=C5=ADl EGERT (Paul Eggert) kaj =C4=9Cim MEJERING (Jim Meyering). Quite a few languages transcribe proper names to their own writing system and phonology. But coreutils, when a proper name does not contain any UTF-8 characters, defines away the propername() function, thus ignoring any transcription that translators made for this name. I think this is wrong and that propername() should always be used, or at least that disabling it should be optional. If however propername() is never going to be used, then please don't waste translator time by marking proper names as translatable/transcribable. The propername() function is defined to a noop in the system.h file with the argument that it saves 17K on each executable. But... shouldn't propername() be a library function that isn't actually included into each and every util? Benno --=20 http://www.fastmail.com - Same, same, but different... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 04 10:53:44 2015 Received: (at 19503) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2015 15:53:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36512 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7nUt-0000ff-T1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 10:53:44 -0500 Received: from mail1.vodafone.ie ([213.233.128.43]:46446) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7nUq-0000fS-Up for 19503@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 10:53:41 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArERAPdgqVRtTnP7/2dsb2JhbABcgwZSWII2CEfDFYUnRQIBAQECgQQWAQEBAQF9hA0BBQwXDwFGEAkCDQEKAgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUGAQwBBwEBBYgnAQiLXJxohWmNWgEBAQcBAQEBAR2BIY5WB4JogUEFlzZfgmWCKIs2IoNuPjEBgkIBAQE Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([109.78.115.251]) by mail1.vodafone.ie with ESMTP; 04 Jan 2015 15:53:39 +0000 Message-ID: <54A96202.1020302@draigBrady.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 15:53:38 +0000 From: =?UTF-8?B?UMOhZHJhaWcgQnJhZHk=?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benno Schulenberg , 19503@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#19503: most translations of proper names aren't being used References: <1420370066.906719.209336553.0FE822F8@webmail.messagingengine.com> In-Reply-To: <1420370066.906719.209336553.0FE822F8@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19503 Cc: Daiki Ueno X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On 04/01/15 11:14, Benno Schulenberg wrote: > > Hi, > > Just now I noticed that 'du --version | tail -2' produces here this: > > Verkita de Torbjern GRANLUND (Torbjörn Granlund), David MacKenzie, Paul Eggert > kaj Jim Meyering. > > whereas I expected it to produce this: > > Verkita de Torbjern GRANLUND (Torbjörn Granlund), David MEKENZI (David MacKenzie), PaÅ­l EGERT (Paul Eggert) > kaj Äœim MEJERING (Jim Meyering). > > Quite a few languages transcribe proper names to their own > writing system and phonology. But coreutils, when a proper > name does not contain any UTF-8 characters, defines away the > propername() function, thus ignoring any transcription that > translators made for this name. I think this is wrong and > that propername() should always be used, or at least that > disabling it should be optional. > > If however propername() is never going to be used, then please > don't waste translator time by marking proper names as > translatable/transcribable. > > The propername() function is defined to a noop in the system.h > file with the argument that it saves 17K on each executable. > But... shouldn't propername() be a library function that isn't > actually included into each and every util? Yes this isn't ideal. tl;dr I'm thinking of just adding ASCII author names, and removing using of proper_name. For reference, details on proper_name() are at: http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/Names.html I'm not sure why proper_name() hasn't been made available in the gettext shared libs. If that was the case then we would probably enable unconditionally. However the 17K extra per util is too much for the feature IMHO. As a side note, that wouldn't be an issue when building as a multi-call binary which is an optional feature new in v8.23. proper_name_utf8() is primarily used so that we're not outputting non ASCII chars in the C "locale" for example. Getting into the feature itself, it's handy to have the transliteration done inline, though it can be done independently. Given the transliteration can be done independently, and since only a few locales are providing transliterations, I'm inclined to not use proper_name() at all and remove that task from translators. Now we could add some dependence and be more correct, by adding pronunciation hints to the comments like: Pronunciation is like "Pawrig Brady" (PÉ’rɪg Bredi) However personally I don't care how my name is pronounced, and think people tend to pattern match here anyway, rather than care about pronunciation. Also there is the more general point about how correct it is to attribute a program to author(s) in any case, as that tracked to a much more accurate level of detail by git blame etc. Should we be removing output of author names at runtime completely? thanks, Pádraig. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 04 11:51:11 2015 Received: (at 19503) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2015 16:51:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36526 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7oOU-00024u-OZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 11:51:10 -0500 Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com ([209.85.223.182]:51910) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7oOO-00024i-Fr for 19503@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 11:51:09 -0500 Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id x19so18745836ier.13 for <19503@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 08:51:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OMLoYHsBA5P6sFoTF+oYFRfJ13v7/+yN1CGl0KtVwK8=; b=COMwRcLP/Io8ihmuXfxku4z4FR8ibsgWoGL28fNp/KoK73Jr5ywJd08q+a8wou2gcU BOK5lfdS0bMlYMnJ5GUnaHwRDyLylAHWFQHFtXv29lYEVyg8iXOoUdrJdYbK2yuoF/wQ +TvHwA/zm2xLTNbhM3wZgpNr54l1NUKHtVOjjPGGS2B90Qx7Mnn832MXw/iORcGy+FwQ 94XdJNv/+9aFSU5lx8sOoVGtPRtdCTeoQxWO+O81C7AyR8O8VIgyNgyyFeio7meVttyi 5U2wNYiYTfuNJnExznU2V08+Mc+G8dCNMSHVDV+vbv8rGsWajWBC6ARwQFEaIhYx4yml 8wZA== X-Received: by 10.42.12.147 with SMTP id y19mr64527658icy.80.1420390263626; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 08:51:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.107.197 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 08:50:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54A96202.1020302@draigBrady.com> References: <1420370066.906719.209336553.0FE822F8@webmail.messagingengine.com> <54A96202.1020302@draigBrady.com> From: Jim Meyering Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 08:50:43 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: D6t-0HPXJ-f4HoxXDsvPwdLR7Ww Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#19503: most translations of proper names aren't being used To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E1draig_Brady?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19503 Cc: Daiki Ueno , Benno Schulenberg , 19503@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 7:53 AM, P=E1draig Brady wrote: ... > Also there is the more general point about how correct > it is to attribute a program to author(s) in any case, > as that tracked to a much more accurate level of detail > by git blame etc. Should we be removing output of > author names at runtime completely? We cannot do that blindly, since we lack version control history from before 1992, which would make it appear that David J. MacKenzie (who wrote many of these tools from scratch) contributed nothing. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 04 12:43:27 2015 Received: (at 19503) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2015 17:43:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36542 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7pD5-0003NR-6S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:43:27 -0500 Received: from mail1.vodafone.ie ([213.233.128.43]:62567) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7pD1-0003NG-K2 for 19503@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:43:24 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al4FAL96qVRtTnP7/2dsb2JhbABcgwaBKoI2yVcCgQQWAQEBAQF9hA0BBTIBRhALDQsJFg8JAwIBAgFFBg0BBQIBAYgsAa45jVQBAQgBAQEBAR2PdweEKQEElRSDDoUAizYig24+MYJDAQEB Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([109.78.115.251]) by mail1.vodafone.ie with ESMTP; 04 Jan 2015 17:43:21 +0000 Message-ID: <54A97BB8.8060207@draigBrady.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 17:43:20 +0000 From: =?windows-1252?Q?P=E1draig_Brady?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Meyering Subject: Re: bug#19503: most translations of proper names aren't being used References: <1420370066.906719.209336553.0FE822F8@webmail.messagingengine.com> <54A96202.1020302@draigBrady.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19503 Cc: Benno Schulenberg , 19503@debbugs.gnu.org, Daiki Ueno X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On 04/01/15 16:50, Jim Meyering wrote: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Pádraig Brady wrote: > ... >> Also there is the more general point about how correct >> it is to attribute a program to author(s) in any case, >> as that tracked to a much more accurate level of detail >> by git blame etc. Should we be removing output of >> author names at runtime completely? > > We cannot do that blindly, since we lack version control history > from before 1992, which would make it appear that David J. MacKenzie > (who wrote many of these tools from scratch) contributed nothing. Well we'd still leave the /* Written by ... */ comments at the start. I'm just not convinced of the need for attribution at runtime, given that it's inaccurate and awkward to represent. BTW, it might have been nice to have the initial git commits for these tools attributed to the original author. Hindsight and all that :) Also I was wondering recently about the origins of some of this code, and thought it might be useful to have a repo with commits per release, which could be obtained from various old tar balls. I did notice a few pre 1992 tarballs. I wonder what the best source of these would be. cheers, Pádraig. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 04 16:18:35 2015 Received: (at 19503) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2015 21:18:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36659 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7sZG-0000LI-Kx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 16:18:35 -0500 Received: from mail-ig0-f170.google.com ([209.85.213.170]:43181) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7sZE-0000L9-Ad for 19503@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 16:18:33 -0500 Received: by mail-ig0-f170.google.com with SMTP id r2so2350671igi.3 for <19503@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 13:18:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=i/ggAO46o9QF7B6m8o8ZEZ5YvfjgBA/kk5C7CI1Ioos=; b=Ccod6B4RktxFIh8GieOiAVssv1vYeh6SLu/06QE/TAY5XDujBSmS1yn7QYEqTWP/eL mpbuQ6fXCa+2AWeFOiPRKnpmP7q7vSsc6EvDw7ayYNmAD2yK0QNqsnI/MX0T2scgt1Yp y3nSNXO1lAZnD5093LUx8hW9a2X2KeNj5q5T79HhODu0TAgWOHf8+WqFfTmIw7uoaLPh c2ysJJ1CQSg8iUr12vzSgxoZQsBrBo0HewbPexEdGqiQNnANn2m/sGeQNgZn6gq4EXmE X2vW4E+CAxgih8eqTBszgttw034dy3JtLFNt8lEYPBLlenxmJ3+m4FrbcDdizUg7V2VH yJQQ== X-Received: by 10.42.194.17 with SMTP id dw17mr64624867icb.4.1420406311755; Sun, 04 Jan 2015 13:18:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.107.197 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 13:18:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54A97BB8.8060207@draigBrady.com> References: <1420370066.906719.209336553.0FE822F8@webmail.messagingengine.com> <54A96202.1020302@draigBrady.com> <54A97BB8.8060207@draigBrady.com> From: Jim Meyering Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 13:18:11 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9j6nMfH9kwCfzcuouVRsNsYVJHg Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#19503: most translations of proper names aren't being used To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E1draig_Brady?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19503 Cc: Benno Schulenberg , 19503@debbugs.gnu.org, Daiki Ueno X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:43 AM, P=E1draig Brady wrote: ... > BTW, it might have been nice to have the initial git commits > for these tools attributed to the original author. Hindsight and all that= :) It would have been nice, indeed. When I agreed to do the job of maintaining the fileutils, textutils and shellutils packages, I tried hard to find a CVS repository (no dVCS existed back then), but as far as I could tell, if there had been one, it was gone. It was only reluctantly that I resorted to putting old tarballs on versioned release branches. While djm was the primary author for many tools, there were invariably commits by others, too, as seen in old/*/ChangeLog*. However, without some VCS files, it was not feasible to attribute. Even with ChangeLog+CVS, automated attribution as I did for the glibc cvs-to-git conversion was nontrivial: most commits were done by Ulrich, but ChangeLog usually gave the name of the "Author", and reliably mapping the cvs user-name or ChangeLog-attributed name to a git Real Name/email pair took some work. 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[184.68.105.38]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id k13-v6sm13715915pgi.40.2018.10.21.14.59.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 21 Oct 2018 14:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#19503: most translations of proper names aren't being used To: 19503@debbugs.gnu.org References: <1420370066.906719.209336553.0FE822F8@webmail.messagingengine.com> <54A96202.1020302@draigBrady.com> From: Assaf Gordon Message-ID: <062874c3-77c6-a457-3447-817e76c95cb9@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 15:59:20 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <54A96202.1020302@draigBrady.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19503 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) severity 19503 wishlist tags 19503 wontfix close 19503 stop (triaging old bugs) Hello, On 04/01/15 08:53 AM, Pádraig Brady wrote: > On 04/01/15 11:14, Benno Schulenberg wrote: >> >> Just now I noticed that 'du --version | tail -2' produces here this: >> >> Verkita de Torbjern GRANLUND (Torbjörn Granlund), David MacKenzie, Paul Eggert >> kaj Jim Meyering. >> >> whereas I expected it to produce this: >> >> Verkita de Torbjern GRANLUND (Torbjörn Granlund), David MEKENZI (David MacKenzie), PaÅ­l EGERT (Paul Eggert) >> kaj Äœim MEJERING (Jim Meyering). >> > > Yes this isn't ideal. > > tl;dr I'm thinking of just adding ASCII author names, > and removing using of proper_name. In 2016 commit eba871cd [1] converted all authors' names to ASCII characters (following agreement from authors in [2]). [1] https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/commit/?id=eba871cd3237e8b7dcd9552f544b365934767849 [2] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/2016-11/msg00039.html As such, closing this request, but discussion can continue by replying to this thread. -assaf From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:26:56 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 12:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator