From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 01 17:25:46 2015 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jan 2015 22:25:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34718 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6oBe-0005c1-0b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2015 17:25:46 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47448) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6oBb-0005bq-Ds for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2015 17:25:44 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6oBa-00030k-Dg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2015 17:25:43 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:59112) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6oBa-00030g-BO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2015 17:25:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49170) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6oBZ-0005TT-Fq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2015 17:25:42 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6oBV-00030C-C2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2015 17:25:41 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:34533) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6oBV-0002zk-0I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2015 17:25:37 -0500 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t01MPYd9003801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 22:25:35 GMT Received: from userz7022.oracle.com (userz7022.oracle.com [156.151.31.86]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t01MPWbU000440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 22:25:34 GMT Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by userz7022.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t01MPVbq000424 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 22:25:32 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 14:25:33 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.0.50; out-of-date doc and Commentary in `font-lock' wrt `font-lock-syntactic-keywords' X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) `C-h v font-lock-syntactic-keywords' says that the variable is obsolete since 24.1. But in font-lock.el, the code, multiple doc strings, and the Commentary all rely on it. Something is not up to date, it seems. Whatever that is, it should have been taken care of at the same time that this variable was declared obsolete. That's 4 releases ago, now. As of Emacs 25.1, it will be 5 releases overdue. In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-10-20 on LEG570 Bzr revision: 118168 rgm@gnu.org-20141020195941-icp42t8ttcnud09g Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs CPPFLAGS=3D-DGLYPH_DEBUG=3D1' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 02 22:19:11 2015 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2015 03:19:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35339 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7FF9-0002Th-He for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jan 2015 22:19:11 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:9489) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7FF6-0002TT-Ka; Fri, 02 Jan 2015 22:19:09 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AssIAOwQflRFpY0B/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYMgVgmIEAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCws0BwsUGA0kiEoJ1lkBAQEBAQEEAQEBAQEBHJBvB4RIBYsBpC6BeII3gWIhgncBAQE X-IPAS-Result: AssIAOwQflRFpY0B/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYMgVgmIEAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCws0BwsUGA0kiEoJ1lkBAQEBAQEEAQEBAQEBHJBvB4RIBYsBpC6BeII3gWIhgncBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,502,1413259200"; d="scan'208";a="104674455" Received: from 69-165-141-1.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO fmsmemgm.homelinux.net) ([69.165.141.1]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 02 Jan 2015 22:19:07 -0500 Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 9CDF8AE139; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 22:19:07 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#19483: 25.0.50; out-of-date doc and Commentary in `font-lock' wrt `font-lock-syntactic-keywords' Message-ID: References: Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 22:19:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 1 Jan 2015 14:25:33 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control Cc: 19483-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) tags 19483 notabug thanks > `C-h v font-lock-syntactic-keywords' says that the variable is obsolete > since 24.1. That's right. > But in font-lock.el, the code, multiple doc strings, and > the Commentary all rely on it. No, they just keep supporting it, because it's only "obsolete" and not "removed". Do you really want to advocate we remove features right away when we decide they're obsolete? Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 03 03:00:05 2015 Received: (at 19483-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2015 08:00:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35373 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7Jcy-00029M-5T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 03:00:04 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:21130) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7Jct-00028L-Ft for 19483-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 03:00:00 -0500 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t037xtbL028608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jan 2015 07:59:58 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t037xskY006133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jan 2015 07:59:54 GMT Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t037xrcE003618; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 07:59:54 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <10e946e2-cda1-49be-9cb2-d6575f415d14@default> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:59:54 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Stefan Monnier Subject: RE: bug#19483: 25.0.50; out-of-date doc and Commentary in `font-lock' wrt `font-lock-syntactic-keywords' References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19483-done Cc: 19483-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > tags 19483 notabug > thanks >=20 > > `C-h v font-lock-syntactic-keywords' says that the variable is > > obsolete since 24.1. >=20 > That's right. >=20 > > But in font-lock.el, the code, multiple doc strings, and > > the Commentary all rely on it. >=20 > No, they just keep supporting it, because it's only "obsolete" and > not "removed". The doc and Commentary should reflect the fact that it has been declared "obsolete". That's the point. > Do you really want to advocate we remove features right away when we > decide they're obsolete? Strawman, again. No one suggested that you remove any feature. Read the bug report. It's about the doc (including Commentary).=20 When you deprecate something, the doc for it should state that it is deprecated. Everywhere. That the doc was not brought up to date about this as soon as the status changed to deprecated was a doc bug 4 releases ago. The bug is still there. Emacs is the self-documenting editor. It should tell users about itself accurately. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 03 21:36:10 2015 Received: (at 19483-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2015 02:36:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35910 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7b33-0000un-W2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 21:36:10 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:23516) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7b31-0000uT-Dj for 19483-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 21:36:08 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AssIAOwQflRFpY0B/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYMgVgmIEAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCws0BwsUGA0kiEoJ1lkBAQEBAQUBAQEBAQEckG8HhEgFiwGkLoF4gjeBYiGCdwEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: AssIAOwQflRFpY0B/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYMgVgmIEAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCws0BwsUGA0kiEoJ1lkBAQEBAQUBAQEBAQEckG8HhEgFiwGkLoF4gjeBYiGCdwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,502,1413259200"; d="scan'208";a="106168047" Received: from 69-165-141-1.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO fmsmemgm.homelinux.net) ([69.165.141.1]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 03 Jan 2015 21:36:04 -0500 Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 5335DAE0E0; Sat, 3 Jan 2015 21:36:04 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#19483: 25.0.50; out-of-date doc and Commentary in `font-lock' wrt `font-lock-syntactic-keywords' Message-ID: References: <10e946e2-cda1-49be-9cb2-d6575f415d14@default> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 21:36:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: <10e946e2-cda1-49be-9cb2-d6575f415d14@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:59:54 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19483-done Cc: 19483-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > The doc and Commentary should reflect the fact that it has been > declared "obsolete". That's the point. Oh, I missed that. Then, yes, feel free to install a patch for that. Most of the doc should simply be removed. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 03 22:00:34 2015 Received: (at 19483-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2015 03:00:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35918 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7bQf-0002hu-G5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 22:00:34 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:33730) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7bQd-0002hg-0s for 19483-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 22:00:31 -0500 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t0430SpE015753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Jan 2015 03:00:29 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t0430RY0009606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Jan 2015 03:00:28 GMT Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t0430R41010985; Sun, 4 Jan 2015 03:00:27 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <95b84e9c-7566-4985-a1dd-0d3afba19947@default> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 19:00:29 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Stefan Monnier Subject: RE: bug#19483: 25.0.50; out-of-date doc and Commentary in `font-lock' wrt `font-lock-syntactic-keywords' References: <10e946e2-cda1-49be-9cb2-d6575f415d14@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19483-done Cc: 19483-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > > The doc and Commentary should reflect the fact that it has been > > declared "obsolete". That's the point. >=20 > Oh, I missed that. Then, yes, feel free to install a patch for > that. Most of the doc should simply be removed. The bug status should not be "done"/"notabug", as long as the problem exists. From unknown Tue Aug 19 14:22:42 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 12:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator