From unknown Wed Jun 18 23:05:09 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#19477 <19477@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#19477 <19477@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.4; Init script from su terminal Reply-To: bug#19477 <19477@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2025 06:05:09 +0000 retitle 19477 24.4; Init script from su terminal reassign 19477 emacs submitter 19477 ibeas@gmx.com (=C3=81lvar Ibeas) severity 19477 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 31 11:37:11 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Dec 2014 16:37:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33853 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6MGl-00005P-Bp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:37:11 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60271) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6MGj-00005G-M6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:37:10 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6MGi-0005nH-K0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:37:09 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:54737) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6MGi-0005nD-HL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:37:08 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33760) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6MGh-0001yb-EQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:37:08 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6MGe-0005mm-6T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:37:07 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:56138) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6MGd-0005mZ-UF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:37:04 -0500 Received: from yermo ([81.38.184.122]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M08ia-1Xq4Qq0LMa-00uIKS for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:37:00 +0100 From: ibeas@gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?=C3=81lvar?= Ibeas) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.4; Init script from su terminal Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:36:58 +0100 Message-ID: <87iogrixn9.fsf@gmx.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:y0k1vlJQn/M9SDTXPf8q69LjKyj1QzWhljPc++HPIgOgxovX5/z gzuCZiGa54UPkshkD33Fjj7k1r89v3Ez7TfZ4zvgxbCwbQNRC8nN0tkJ19zJzplVkNVdTp+ r/po3sEPcrHm7u6Ib/TV6ZmAJGbBBsRvRg0Pbwr91KHXzYMZ0yvAvMhVIkcAao8bafpihtF OOdbpgT4FuvFUG2cFwnqw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) Hello, Working under Debian, when I switch to root using `su', Emacs doesn't load the init script located in my user's home folder, as the manual says: ``if you run Emacs from a shell started by `su', Emacs tries to find your own `.emacs', not that of the user you are currently pretending to be [...] It gets your user name from the environment variables `LOGNAME' and `USER'.'' The variables LOGNAME and USER have both the value `root'. The command `logname' returns instead my own user name. Is this an Emacs bug? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 31 13:36:32 2014 Received: (at 19477) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Dec 2014 18:36:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33937 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6O8G-0002yQ-6t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:36:32 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:60436) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6O8F-0002yJ-2X for 19477@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:36:31 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6O8D-0008I7-DH; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:36:29 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: ibeas@gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?=C3=81lvar?= Ibeas) Subject: Re: bug#19477: 24.4; Init script from su terminal References: <87iogrixn9.fsf@gmx.com> X-Spook: SWAT weapons of mass destruction CIA emc e-cash target X-Ran: %T)[Zh!)\JpGDvO|h^nLaFcq|R}-S)PXX+Rqlvfq&S?GcuVMfV/N`M/-d8@u/9=r>>qI2z X-Hue: blue X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:36:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87iogrixn9.fsf@gmx.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22=C3=81lvar?= Ibeas"'s message of "Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:36:58 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19477 Cc: 19477@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) =C3=81lvar Ibeas wrote: > ``if you run Emacs from a shell started by `su', Emacs tries to find > your own `.emacs', not that of the user you are currently pretending > to be [...] It gets your user name from the environment variables > `LOGNAME' and `USER'.'' > > The variables LOGNAME and USER have both the value `root'. The command > `logname' returns instead my own user name. Emacs is behaving as documented. The `su' programs from coreutils (it's since been removed in favour of the util-linux one) and util-linux (as used by eg Red Hat) do not change LOGNAME or USER when su'ing to root. It seems that Debian's `su' comes from the `shadow' package and does change them. But all the `su' programs are behaving as documented too. It's a shame they don't agree with each other... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 31 14:34:20 2014 Received: (at 19477-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Dec 2014 19:34:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33988 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6P2B-0004TI-Un for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:34:20 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:61871) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6P29-0004T5-JG for 19477-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:34:18 -0500 Received: from yermo ([79.145.174.54]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LbuCq-1XNTMS1Vg4-00jJP6 for <19477-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:34:16 +0100 From: ibeas@gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?=C3=81lvar?= Ibeas) To: 19477-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: 24.4; Init script from su terminal References: <87iogrixn9.fsf@gmx.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:34:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:36:26 -0500") Message-ID: <87mw638vgq.fsf_-_@gmx.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:I6z6z8NPblabCYKKkvU0HXavehnpHYhIf4RpH19muVkVwM7epDJ NsTFAWyLmgQz/XjgJQgkVoG8LCdWpIsusCS7xM7DOO8VxKWEVMHFAEtM+cxGoto/UbHvEqj Bfw6huzq8oktEGFWbvrzt9vdEp7Fu2N3VzOUWTZOSLC8sBgYSpIfAyNLuw+7oY7vDU+cBwb QBANjBEwRlnpcoXGckWOw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19477-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Glenn Morris writes: > Emacs is behaving as documented. > > The `su' programs from coreutils (it's since been removed in favour of > the util-linux one) and util-linux (as used by eg Red Hat) do not change > LOGNAME or USER when su'ing to root. > > It seems that Debian's `su' comes from the `shadow' package and does > change them. Thanks for replying. I see now that most of the environment variables are kept with the `-p' option. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 02 14:01:48 2015 Received: (at 19477) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2015 19:01:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35279 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y77To-0004B9-HK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jan 2015 14:01:48 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:56476) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y77Tn-0004B2-B7 for 19477@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jan 2015 14:01:47 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y77Tl-0003ld-3v; Fri, 02 Jan 2015 14:01:45 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 19477@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#19477: 24.4; Init script from su terminal References: <87iogrixn9.fsf@gmx.com> <87mw638vgq.fsf_-_@gmx.com> X-Spook: Rand Corporation Bush Wired Bruxelles sweep defense X-Ran: eSp^)kj3;--7;4xOmL1["~}$C4lt36djh2B460FND9/98M5ONvO3?xVN,+tZr*@%:^)N5- X-Hue: yellow X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 14:01:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87mw638vgq.fsf_-_@gmx.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22=C3=81lvar?= Ibeas"'s message of "Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:34:13 +0100") Message-ID: <7cmw61gg6f.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19477 Cc: ibeas@gmx.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) I'm not sure this should be closed. Perhaps there is a better way for Emacs to do what it wants (get the name under which you logged in) than consulting LOGNAME. Eg it could do what `logname' the program does. Although reading the info page for that, what it does (check /var/run/utmp etc) doesn't seem that great, or portable. I'm not sure that what Debian's su does is "correct", but I could not find a standard for su. In any case, this seems like one of those things that is impossible to ever get changed, because people come to rely on it behaving the way it does. In any case, I think the Emacs documentation could stand to be tweaked a bit. Eg util-linux/coreutils su only leaves LOGNAME alone if you change to root, not if you change to a non-root user. 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