From unknown Sat Aug 16 23:43:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19456: GNU coreutils - touch / add -v, --verbose option Resent-From: Jari Aalto Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-coreutils@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 08:34:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 19456 X-GNU-PR-Package: coreutils X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 19456@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-coreutils@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.14197556335981 (code B ref -1); Sun, 28 Dec 2014 08:34:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2014 08:33:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59389 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y59IO-0001YP-Vx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 03:33:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54813) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y59IM-0001YG-Gn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 03:33:52 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y59IL-0003jz-Cr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 03:33:50 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:42009) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y59IL-0003jv-AD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 03:33:49 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56533) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y59IK-0004ay-E1 for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 03:33:49 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y59IF-0003jU-G0 for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 03:33:48 -0500 Received: from emh03.mail.saunalahti.fi ([62.142.5.109]:39002) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y59IF-0003jQ-9U for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 03:33:43 -0500 Received: from picasso.cante.net (a91-155-188-45.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.155.188.45]) by emh03.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844281887C6 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 10:33:41 +0200 (EET) From: Jari Aalto Organization: Private Mail-Copies-To: poster Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 10:33:41 +0200 Message-ID: <871tnkb2ca.fsf@picasso.cante.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) It would be nice to see progress of touched files. Please add option[1]: -v, --verbose Jari [1] Not included in touch(1), GNU coreutils 8.23 From unknown Sat Aug 16 23:43:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19456: GNU coreutils - touch / add -v, --verbose option Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?P=C3=A1draig?= Brady Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-coreutils@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 11:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19456 X-GNU-PR-Package: coreutils X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jari Aalto , 19456@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19456-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19456.141976710724315 (code B ref 19456); Sun, 28 Dec 2014 11:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 19456) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2014 11:45:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59433 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5CHS-0006K6-N2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 06:45:07 -0500 Received: from mail1.vodafone.ie ([213.233.128.43]:43042) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5CHO-0006JN-Ks for 19456@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 06:45:03 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsJAOfrn1RtTs7T/2dsb2JhbABSCoMGgk3IaYJQAoEKFgEBAQEBfYQNAQUyAVYLDQsJFg8JAwIBAgFFBgEMCAEBiCwBtRiOcwELII8bY4QpAQSYFYJlgiiHfYM5IoNuPoJ0AQEB Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([109.78.206.211]) by mail1.vodafone.ie with ESMTP; 28 Dec 2014 11:45:00 +0000 Message-ID: <549FED3C.3000306@draigBrady.com> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 11:45:00 +0000 From: =?UTF-8?Q?P=C3=A1draig?= Brady User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <871tnkb2ca.fsf@picasso.cante.net> In-Reply-To: <871tnkb2ca.fsf@picasso.cante.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On 28/12/14 08:33, Jari Aalto wrote: > > It would be nice to see progress of touched files. Please > add option[1]: > > -v, --verbose > > Jari > > [1] Not included in touch(1), GNU coreutils 8.23 Maybe. What's your use case exactly. In other tools that have --verbose output, there is the opportunity to distinguish operations, or identify when possible long running operations are finished. Neither is the case though for touch. If you just wanted to see each block of files that touch is processing, perhaps using tee would suffice like? find ... | tee /dev/tty | xargs touch ... cheers, Pádraig. From unknown Sat Aug 16 23:43:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19456: GNU coreutils - touch / add -v, --verbose option Resent-From: jari Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-coreutils@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 11:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19456 X-GNU-PR-Package: coreutils X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?P=C3=A1draig?= Brady Cc: 19456@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19456-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19456.141976740924803 (code B ref 19456); Sun, 28 Dec 2014 11:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 19456) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2014 11:50:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59437 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5CMK-0006Ry-K2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 06:50:08 -0500 Received: from emh07.mail.saunalahti.fi ([62.142.5.117]:45788) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5CMH-0006Ro-A3 for 19456@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 06:50:06 -0500 Received: from picasso.cante.net (a91-155-188-45.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.155.188.45]) by emh07.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15A64017; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:50:03 +0200 (EET) Received: from jaalto by picasso.cante.net with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5CME-0007EK-Vv; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:50:03 +0200 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:50:02 +0200 From: jari Message-ID: <20141228115002.GR29381@picasso.cante.net> References: <871tnkb2ca.fsf@picasso.cante.net> <549FED3C.3000306@draigBrady.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <549FED3C.3000306@draigBrady.com> X-Gpg-Key-Id: 0xD189E680 X-Gpg-Key-Info: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xD189E680 X-Gpg-Key-Get: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD189E680&op=get User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jari.aalto@cante.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on picasso.cante.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) On 2014-12-28 11:45, Pádraig Brady wrote: | On 28/12/14 08:33, Jari Aalto wrote: | > | > It would be nice to see progress of touched files. Please | > add option[1]: | > | > -v, --verbose | > | > Jari | > | > [1] Not included in touch(1), GNU coreutils 8.23 | | Maybe. What's your use case exactly. To see progress of touched files. With wild cards, it's usually not obvious what files were affected. | In other tools that have --verbose output, | there is the opportunity to distinguish operations, | or identify when possible long running operations are finished. | Neither is the case though for touch. | | If you just wanted to see each block of files | that touch is processing, perhaps using tee would suffice like? | | find ... | tee /dev/tty | xargs touch ... This isn't really user friendly to use. The --verbose option would be perfect. Jari From unknown Sat Aug 16 23:43:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19456: GNU coreutils - touch / add -v, --verbose option Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-coreutils@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19456 X-GNU-PR-Package: coreutils X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: jari Cc: 19456@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?P=C3=A1draig?= Brady Received: via spool by 19456-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19456.141976852726721 (code B ref 19456); Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:09:02 +0000 Received: (at 19456) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2014 12:08:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59449 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5CeM-0006wu-TM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:08:47 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:53802) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5CeK-0006wg-3q for 19456@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:08:45 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3k9LJp44Tyz3hjPN; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:08:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3k9LJp25Mhzvh1h; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:08:42 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1UcGrK92hqDw; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:08:40 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: EkvK9m9AuuREPC9bJ02AWF39iFL2mNTZYxQFMbYcJ6AUbEg0VIZRdbs3NHGK7iS2 Received: from linux.local (p4FE4DAF6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.228.218.246]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:08:40 +0100 (CET) Received: by linux.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 422361E5799; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:08:35 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab References: <871tnkb2ca.fsf@picasso.cante.net> <549FED3C.3000306@draigBrady.com> <20141228115002.GR29381@picasso.cante.net> X-Yow: Fold, fold, FOLD!! FOLDING many items!! Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:08:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20141228115002.GR29381@picasso.cante.net> (jari's message of "Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:50:02 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) jari writes: > To see progress of touched files. With wild cards, it's usually > not obvious what files were affected. (set -x; touch *) Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Aug 16 23:43:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19456: GNU coreutils - touch / add -v, --verbose option Resent-From: Jim Meyering Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-coreutils@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:37:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19456 X-GNU-PR-Package: coreutils X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jari Aalto Cc: 19456@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19456-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19456.141982776825501 (code B ref 19456); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:37:01 +0000 Received: (at 19456) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Dec 2014 04:36:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60037 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5S3r-0006dE-KW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:36:07 -0500 Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com ([209.85.223.169]:54769) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5S3p-0006d6-60 for 19456@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:36:05 -0500 Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id y20so11887791ier.28 for <19456@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 20:36:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=nMkQoA2z7FsB/Dlb7jbn6U5o9Jl5w6MSZ4pkAAhTBeI=; b=ENKtNIbX1EAHLsLLD7HkQp/NODzs517jEFTLyr6z6aGNuzOsbBSMReMk1H8x5WAP8i 3/qE3rQ6kuZy7KgbaM/K+3RDwyX3DwopY0RI2E4M2YGkxqj9GyebCT3hSKzIgQaIJS3N JHY/JNXKZolBhH1HypcCYS3hKN2UAlwJDAFy826622opf422+U81wvKtPfQMThAQCo4E 2qc/xxo8ES+5rPE5z0/5DSIgqAF/5PWq2Hyi5OWhUepI76TuAfF8A+xq1XplmxjXrQzD mhr+cFq4+ltaLSYSdOC9COUO3Ah7NXhdLOOvo5xBHip7PdHLmVYkw8ol4ft9ooRo0gPx HE3A== X-Received: by 10.42.229.132 with SMTP id ji4mr22918856icb.86.1419827764613; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 20:36:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.107.197 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 20:35:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <871tnkb2ca.fsf@picasso.cante.net> References: <871tnkb2ca.fsf@picasso.cante.net> From: Jim Meyering Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 20:35:44 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: nF-lHVsZerf_37mV59-3GlsFo5I Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Jari Aalto wrote: > It would be nice to see progress of touched files. Please > add option[1]: Hi Jari, My preference is to avoid adding the --verbose option to programs like touch. Here is some explanation for why I have seriously considered taking the relatively drastic step of removing that option from the ch??? commands that currently accept it (chmod, chown, chgrp): https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/2010-08/msg00042.html The case for touch is not quite the same, but the above shows where my bias originates. From unknown Sat Aug 16 23:43:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19456: GNU coreutils - touch / add -v, --verbose option Resent-From: jari Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-coreutils@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19456 X-GNU-PR-Package: coreutils X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jim Meyering Cc: 19456@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19456-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19456.14198372948646 (code B ref 19456); Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:15:02 +0000 Received: (at 19456) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Dec 2014 07:14:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60051 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5UXV-0002FN-VE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 02:14:54 -0500 Received: from emh06.mail.saunalahti.fi ([62.142.5.116]:54758) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5UXS-0002F9-KM for 19456@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 02:14:52 -0500 Received: from picasso.cante.net (a91-155-188-45.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.155.188.45]) by emh06.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6857369994; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:14:49 +0200 (EET) Received: from jaalto by picasso.cante.net with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5UXQ-000210-Is; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:14:48 +0200 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:14:48 +0200 From: jari Message-ID: <20141229071448.GS29381@picasso.cante.net> References: <871tnkb2ca.fsf@picasso.cante.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Gpg-Key-Id: 0xD189E680 X-Gpg-Key-Info: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xD189E680 X-Gpg-Key-Get: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD189E680&op=get User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jari.aalto@cante.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on picasso.cante.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) On 2014-12-28 20:35, Jim Meyering wrote: | On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Jari Aalto wrote: | > It would be nice to see progress of touched files. Please | > add option[1]: | | Hi Jari, | My preference is to avoid adding the --verbose option | to programs like touch. Here is some explanation for | why I have seriously considered taking the relatively | drastic step of removing that option from the ch??? | commands that currently accept it (chmod, chown, | chgrp): | | https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/2010-08/msg00042.html | | The case for touch is not quite the same, but the above | shows where my bias originates. about ch???: I read the above. I personally wouldn't think: "All printed information has to be 100% accurate" If the manual page documented that due to multiple processes, or ownerwhip issue, the output of the commands may not represent correctly previous states or even changed stated --- that would be enough for me to accept any less than 100 % accuracy in displayed messages. Perhaps there are not that too many scripts that actually rely on this information. For the chmod, chown of course it would be a mistake for a script to rely on the output information. But removing the option from all? Please don't. Rather discuss the prolematics of providing such information in the manual page. You see, the older we get, the less we want to remember the possibly cryptic and complex command that could provide the information we'd like to see. E.g. for the touch(1) cases where, there were shown alternatives to get the information; it still wouldn't be as convenient. I'm lazy, or becoming more lazy as years go by. I'd like the commands to do the work for me; other people could also benefit from functionality and not needing to scratch their heads to think ways to get the infomation in other means. These: touch --verbose touch -v would be so much nicer to use. Jari From unknown Sat Aug 16 23:43:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#19456: GNU coreutils - touch / add -v, --verbose option Resent-From: Bernhard Voelker Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-coreutils@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:01:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19456 X-GNU-PR-Package: coreutils X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: jari , =?UTF-8?Q?P=C3=A1draig?= Brady Cc: 19456@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 19456-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19456.141994804322506 (code B ref 19456); Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:01:02 +0000 Received: (at 19456) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2014 14:00:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60780 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5xLm-0005qv-UK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:00:43 -0500 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.10]:65422) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5xLj-0005qi-CP for 19456@debbugs.gnu.org; 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[184.68.105.38]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id p185-v6sm4207493itg.34.2018.10.21.14.47.29 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 21 Oct 2018 14:47:29 -0700 (PDT) References: <871tnkb2ca.fsf@picasso.cante.net> <549FED3C.3000306@draigBrady.com> <20141228115002.GR29381@picasso.cante.net> <54A2B000.6090302@bernhard-voelker.de> From: Assaf Gordon Message-ID: <9d84386e-527c-1461-9a74-794b509c47b6@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 15:47:27 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <54A2B000.6090302@bernhard-voelker.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 19456 wontfix severity 19456 wishlist retitle 19456 touch: add -v, --verbose option close 19456 stop (triaging old bugs) Hello, On 28/12/14 09:35 PM, Jim Meyering wrote: > On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Jari Aalto wrote: >> It would be nice to see progress of touched files. Please >> add option[1]: > Hi Jari, > My preference is to avoid adding the --verbose option > to programs like touch. On 30/12/14 07:00 AM, Bernhard Voelker wrote: > On 12/28/2014 12:50 PM, jari wrote: >> On 2014-12-28 11:45, Pádraig Brady wrote: >> |   find ... | tee /dev/tty | xargs touch ... >> >> This isn't really user friendly to use. >> >> The --verbose option would be perfect. > > xargs (from GNU findutils) has a --verbose alias -t option: > >   $ find ... | xargs --verbose touch > Given the above, and with no further comments in 4 years, I'm closing this as "wontfix". Discussion can continue by replying to this thread. -assaf