From unknown Fri Jun 20 05:34:16 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#19347 <19347@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#19347 <19347@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text Reply-To: bug#19347 <19347@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 12:34:16 +0000 retitle 19347 24.4.50; Display of bengali text reassign 19347 emacs submitter 19347 rms@gnu.org severity 19347 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 11 07:56:30 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Dec 2014 12:56:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42352 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz3I9-00013M-Eb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:56:30 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52710) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz3I7-00013A-J9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:56:24 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz3I0-0002rZ-W5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:56:18 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:48374) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz3I0-0002rR-Sk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:56:16 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54306) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz3Hz-0007YT-37 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:56:16 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz3Hw-0002nB-RE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:56:15 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:38360) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz3Hw-0002n4-Lj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:56:12 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz3Hw-0007hT-6q; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:56:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:56:12 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) This word of six characters of Bengali text, followed by a space, | | fills 7 columns on this Linux terminal with nonspace output. It causes cursor motion anomalies; when followed by more text, it causes the line to get too much text in it. In GNU Emacs 24.4.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10) of 2014-07-18 on rms Repository revision: 117549 dmantipov@yandex.ru-20140718110437-w0451dqdaa977r4w System Description: Trisquel GNU/Linux 6.0.1, Toutatis Configured using: `configure 'CFLAGS=-g -O0'' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG SOUND GPM DBUS GCONF GSETTINGS NOTIFY LIBXML2 FREETYPE M17N_FLT LIBOTF XFT ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t gpm-mouse-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t abbrev-mode: t Recent messages: Mark set File /home/rms/foo already exists; overwrite anyway? (y or n) y Wrote /home/rms/foo Char: SPC (32, #o40, #x20) point=32 of 80 (39%) column=30 Quit Char: (2480, #o4660, #x9b0, file ...) point=9 of 56 (14%) column=7 Saving file /home/rms/foo... Wrote /home/rms/foo Load-path shadows: /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/leim/quail/ethiopic hides /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/language/ethiopic /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/leim/quail/slovak hides /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/language/slovak /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/leim/quail/lao hides /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/language/lao /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/leim/quail/indian hides /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/language/indian /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/leim/quail/cyrillic hides /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/language/cyrillic /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/leim/quail/tibetan hides /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/language/tibetan /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/leim/quail/georgian hides /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/language/georgian /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/leim/quail/greek hides /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/language/greek /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/leim/quail/japanese hides /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/language/japanese /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/leim/quail/thai hides /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/language/thai /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/leim/quail/hebrew hides /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/language/hebrew /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/leim/quail/czech hides /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/language/czech /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/progmodes/cc-compat hides /home/rms/emacs-bzr/trunk/lisp/obsolete/cc-compat Features: (descr-text log-edit easy-mmode pcvs-util add-log vc vc-dispatcher info time-stamp texinfo etags rect eieio-opt speedbar sb-image ezimage dframe pp shadow emacsbug sh-script smie executable debug epa-file wid-edit cl-loaddefs cl-lib novice two-column iso-transl compare-w rmailkwd ffap thingatpt url-parse auth-source eieio byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile cconv eieio-core gnus-util password-cache url-vars kmacro parse-time vc-cvs sgml-mode battery tex-mode latexenc jka-compr vc-bzr find-func shell pcomplete grep compile comint ansi-color ring dired-aux rmailsum misearch multi-isearch mule-util cal-move cal-menu calendar cal-loaddefs rmailout epa-mail epa derived epg epg-config ispell quail help-mode dabbrev mailalias qp rmailmm message sendmail format-spec rfc822 mml easymenu mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader mail-parse rfc2231 rmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils dired t-mouse package time-date paren cus-start cus-load advice help-fns tooltip electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind gfilenotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) Memory information: ((conses 8 421151 108317) (symbols 24 37401 12) (miscs 20 2567 6250) (strings 16 62570 5533) (string-bytes 1 2279950) (vectors 8 31487) (vector-slots 4 1518782 46642) (floats 8 151 607) (intervals 28 83552 4625) (buffers 512 151) (heap 1024 23423 6674)) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 11 08:29:25 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Dec 2014 13:29:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42375 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz3o4-0001sD-UB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 08:29:25 -0500 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:33404 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz3o2-0001s3-5O for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 08:29:22 -0500 Received: from relay2.suse.de (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F84ACBD; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:29:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas Schwab To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: X-Yow: I hope you millionaires are having fun! I just invested half your life savings in yeast!! Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:29:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:56:12 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Richard Stallman writes: > This word of six characters of Bengali text, followed by a space, > > | | There are only eight spaces. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 11 11:28:01 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Dec 2014 16:28:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42954 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz6av-0007pX-1w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:28:01 -0500 Received: from mtaout26.012.net.il ([80.179.55.182]:35411) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz6as-0007pE-54 for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:27:59 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout26.012.net.il by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NGF00K00EUR4O00@mtaout26.012.net.il> for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:26:51 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NGF00CLXF0RA870@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:26:51 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:27:51 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Andreas Schwab Message-id: <83bnnatam0.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Andreas Schwab > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:29:20 +0100 > Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org > > Richard Stallman writes: > > > This word of six characters of Bengali text, followed by a space, > > > > | | > > There are only eight spaces. I think there's some general problem in how Richard has his email set up, either in Emacs or elsewhere. This is not the first time I see non-ASCII characters in his mails replaced by blanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 12 11:41:30 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2014 16:41:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44118 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XzTHV-0006bm-RO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:41:30 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:58248 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XzTHP-0006bY-G4 for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:41:28 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzTHO-0001ya-68; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:41:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:41:22 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <83bnnatam0.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:27:51 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: <83bnnatam0.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] This time I hope they come through. |সাজেদুর | -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 12 14:08:43 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2014 19:08:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44200 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XzVZy-0001rS-KX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 14:08:42 -0500 Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:59478) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XzVZw-0001rC-FX for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 14:08:41 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NGH00A00GPNDM00@mtaout24.012.net.il> for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:00:46 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NGH004BIGTAXJ50@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:00:46 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:08:37 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: rms@gnu.org Message-id: <83y4qcr8i2.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <83bnnatam0.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:41:22 -0500 > From: Richard Stallman > CC: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org > > This time I hope they come through. > > |সাজেদুর | It did, thanks. However, I see no anomalies with these characters, neither on a TTY nor on a GUI frame. (But I don't have access to a Linux terminal.) What does evaluating (terminal-coding-system) on that terminal yield? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 13 07:46:49 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2014 12:46:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44408 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xzm5x-0005UG-81 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:46:49 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:37765 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xzm5v-0005U9-Gx for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:46:47 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xzm5u-0001Qa-Qy; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:46:46 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:46:46 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <83y4qcr8i2.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:08:37 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: <83bnnatam0.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4qcr8i2.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > What does evaluating (terminal-coding-system) on that terminal yield? utf-8. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 15 04:12:25 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2014 09:12:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46428 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0RhY-0005UE-Qw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 04:12:25 -0500 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:52800 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0RhW-0005U5-9N for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 04:12:22 -0500 Received: from relay2.suse.de (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FB7AD7C; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:12:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas Schwab To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: X-Yow: My BIOLOGICAL ALARM CLOCK just went off.. It has noiseless DOZE FUNCTION and full kitchen!! Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:12:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:56:12 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Richard Stallman writes: > fills 7 columns on this Linux terminal with nonspace output. Whatis "this Linux terminal"? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 16 00:20:09 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2014 05:20:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47366 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0kYL-0002nc-3F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 00:20:09 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:37010) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0kYI-0002nT-Mw for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 00:20:07 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0kYI-0008OI-1q; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 00:20:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 00:20:06 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Andreas Schwab In-reply-to: (message from Andreas Schwab on Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:12:21 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Whatis "this Linux terminal"? I run Emacs on a Linux terminal, on my GNU/Linux system. It is more convenient than using a graphics terminal and having to worry about the pointer. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 16 03:35:23 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2014 08:35:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47408 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0nbG-0007oC-MW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 03:35:22 -0500 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:45906 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0nbE-0007o3-HC for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 03:35:21 -0500 Received: from relay2.suse.de (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04886AD2C; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 08:35:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas Schwab To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: X-Yow: Yow! I'm UNEMPLOYED! Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:35:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 16 Dec 2014 00:20:06 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Richard Stallman writes: > I run Emacs on a Linux terminal, on my GNU/Linux system. > It is more convenient than using a graphics terminal and having > to worry about the pointer. Then there is nothing that can be done about the display of your text, since that is fully controlled by the kernel. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 16 09:10:54 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2014 14:10:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47609 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0spy-0000SV-Au for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:10:54 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:30247) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0spw-0000SN-Hm for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:10:52 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj4PAOwQflTO+ILA/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVawjuCYgQCAoEkFwEBAQEBAXyEAwEBAwFWIxALNBIUGA0kiEoJ1lkBAQEBAQEEAQEBAR6QbweESAWLAZIxj3OCCoF4hBkhgncBAQE X-IPAS-Result: Aj4PAOwQflTO+ILA/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVawjuCYgQCAoEkFwEBAQEBAXyEAwEBAwFWIxALNBIUGA0kiEoJ1lkBAQEBAQEEAQEBAR6QbweESAWLAZIxj3OCCoF4hBkhgncBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,502,1413259200"; d="scan'208";a="102656685" Received: from 206-248-130-192.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.130.192]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 16 Dec 2014 09:10:51 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id CDE621758; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:10:51 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text Message-ID: References: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:10:51 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:35:18 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org, Richard Stallman X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) >> I run Emacs on a Linux terminal, on my GNU/Linux system. >> It is more convenient than using a graphics terminal and having >> to worry about the pointer. > Then there is nothing that can be done about the display of your text, > since that is fully controlled by the kernel. Maybe fbterm handles those characters better? Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 16 10:35:42 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2014 15:35:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48001 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0uA2-00041H-Dv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:35:42 -0500 Received: from mtaout29.012.net.il ([80.179.55.185]:49107) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0u9x-000415-MB for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:35:39 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout29.012.net.il by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NGO00J00LU5NM00@mtaout29.012.net.il> for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:33:06 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NGO00D79LV54G60@mtaout29.012.net.il>; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:33:06 +0200 (IST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:35:26 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: rms@gnu.org Message-id: <83sigfwqtd.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 00:20:06 -0500 > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Whatis "this Linux terminal"? > > I run Emacs on a Linux terminal, on my GNU/Linux system. Can you describe in more detail what exactly goes wrong when these characters are displayed? Also, do the problems go away if you say C-x RET t iso-safe RET (The characters will be displayed as "?", but what I'd like to know is whether the problems you saw disappear then.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 16 22:31:17 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2014 03:31:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48303 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y15KX-00024K-8e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:31:17 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:48502) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y15KW-00024D-Hp for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:31:16 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y15KW-0002P2-0b; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:31:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:31:16 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Andreas Schwab In-reply-to: (message from Andreas Schwab on Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:35:18 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > I run Emacs on a Linux terminal, on my GNU/Linux system. > > It is more convenient than using a graphics terminal and having > > to worry about the pointer. > Then there is nothing that can be done about the display of your text, > since that is fully controlled by the kernel. Emacs decides what characters to send to the terminal. Perhaps those should be different. Or maybe they are correct, and this is a bug in Linux. How can we determine which? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 17 03:26:36 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2014 08:26:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48415 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y19wK-000127-2p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 03:26:36 -0500 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:41634 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y19wD-00011r-1d for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 03:26:34 -0500 Received: from relay2.suse.de (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1A3ADAB; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:26:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas Schwab To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: X-Yow: It's hard being an ARTIST!! Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:26:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:31:16 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Richard Stallman writes: > Emacs decides what characters to send to the terminal. Perhaps those > should be different. Emacs cannot know how the terminal renders the output. It only knows the defined meaning of the (control) characters. If the terminal doesn't adhere to this meaning then it has a bug. > How can we determine which? Look at the typescript. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 17 10:44:04 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2014 15:44:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49016 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Glg-0000oV-BG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:44:04 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:60045) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Gle-0000oO-G0 for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:44:02 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Gld-0000du-Vx; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:44:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:44:01 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Stefan Monnier In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:10:51 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Maybe fbterm handles those characters better? What is fbterm, and how does it relate? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 17 10:44:28 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2014 15:44:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49019 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Gm3-0000pE-Qi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:44:28 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:60112) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Gm1-0000p3-BC for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:44:25 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Gm0-0000ou-6E; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:44:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:44:24 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <83sigfwqtd.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:35:26 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: <83sigfwqtd.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Can you describe in more detail what exactly goes wrong when these > characters are displayed? The 6 characters fill 7 columns with the blob that indicates a character that can't be displayed. This causes anomalies in cursor motion within the line. If the line is almost 80 characters, it overflows the line on the terminal, causing vertical positioning anomalies too. These consequences typically occur when text sent to the terminal occupies more columns than Emacs expects it to occupy. > Also, do the problems go away if you say > C-x RET t iso-safe RET Yes, they go away. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 17 10:46:01 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2014 15:46:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49024 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1GnZ-0000s8-Gk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:46:01 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:60385) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1GnT-0000rw-26 for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:46:00 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1GnS-0001bw-0l; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:45:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:45:54 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Andreas Schwab In-reply-to: (message from Andreas Schwab on Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:26:27 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > How can we determine which? > Look at the typescript. I do not understand. What do you mean, "the typescript"? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 17 11:03:34 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2014 16:03:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49046 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1H4X-0001MZ-Sk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:03:34 -0500 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:50951 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1H4V-0001MN-6t for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:03:32 -0500 Received: from relay2.suse.de (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD50AB43; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:03:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas Schwab To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: <83sigfwqtd.fsf@gnu.org> X-Yow: Here I am at the flea market but nobody is buying my urine sample bottles.. Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:03:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:44:24 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Richard Stallman writes: > The 6 characters fill 7 columns with the blob that indicates a character > that can't be displayed. This causes anomalies in cursor motion > within the line. What happens if you echo the characters to the terminal outside of Emacs? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 17 11:04:20 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2014 16:04:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49050 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1H5I-0001OD-AQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:04:20 -0500 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:50971 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1H5G-0001O5-Tb for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:04:19 -0500 Received: from relay1.suse.de (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03AFAC1A; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:04:17 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas Schwab To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: X-Yow: The appreciation of the average visual graphisticator alone is worth the whole suaveness and decadence which abounds!! Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:04:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:45:54 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > How can we determine which? > > > Look at the typescript. > > I do not understand. What do you mean, "the typescript"? Sorry, I meant the termscript. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 17 14:29:09 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2014 19:29:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49261 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1KHU-0003jr-BB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:29:08 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:53793) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1KHP-0003jh-Vf for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:29:05 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NGQ00F00R6EMO00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 21:28:22 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NGQ00FJYRF99YA0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 21:28:22 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 21:28:15 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: rms@gnu.org Message-id: <83sigeuldc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sigfwqtd.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:44:24 -0500 > From: Richard Stallman > CC: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org > > The 6 characters fill 7 columns with the blob that indicates a character > that can't be displayed. This causes anomalies in cursor motion > within the line. > > If the line is almost 80 characters, it overflows > the line on the terminal, causing vertical positioning anomalies too. > > These consequences typically occur when text sent to the terminal > occupies more columns than Emacs expects it to occupy. Right. Does it help to disable compositions? M-x auto-composition-mode RET From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 17 15:02:56 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2014 20:02:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49283 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1KoC-0004bk-Dy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:02:56 -0500 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:55342 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1KoA-0004bd-VI for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:02:55 -0500 Received: from relay2.suse.de (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3621BAB43; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:02:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas Schwab To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: <83sigfwqtd.fsf@gnu.org> <83sigeuldc.fsf@gnu.org> X-Yow: My pants just went to high school in the Carlsbad Caverns!!! Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 21:02:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83sigeuldc.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2014 21:28:15 +0200") Message-ID: <87mw6m6o42.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:44:24 -0500 >> From: Richard Stallman >> CC: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> The 6 characters fill 7 columns with the blob that indicates a character >> that can't be displayed. This causes anomalies in cursor motion >> within the line. >> >> If the line is almost 80 characters, it overflows >> the line on the terminal, causing vertical positioning anomalies too. >> >> These consequences typically occur when text sent to the terminal >> occupies more columns than Emacs expects it to occupy. > > Right. Does it help to disable compositions? > > M-x auto-composition-mode RET Composition mode has no effect in a termcap frame. I can see a similar effect in emacs -nw running in Kconsole, because Konsole is apparently doing composition on its own, causing the (uncomposed) characters no longer occupy exactly one column. Moving over such a composed (by the terminal) character temporarily breaks up the composition. But on the Linux console I'm only seeing replacement characters without any display glitches. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 17 16:40:49 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2014 21:40:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49317 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1MKu-000701-Om for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:40:49 -0500 Received: from mercure.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.24.67]:44940) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1MKn-0006zn-SR for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:40:42 -0500 Received: from hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.50]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E17859D2; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:40:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from lechon.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E585F1E5B8C; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by lechon.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id BEF60B40DF; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:40:17 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text Message-ID: References: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:40:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:44:01 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-DIRO-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-DIRO-MailScanner-SpamCheck: n'est pas un polluriel, SpamAssassin (score=-2.82, requis 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -2.82, MC_TSTLAST 0.00) X-DIRO-MailScanner-From: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) >> Maybe fbterm handles those characters better? > What is fbterm, and how does it relate? It's kind of like xterm but instead of running under X11 it uses directly the framebuffer device. So it is similar to Linux's builtin terminal emulator (it uses up the whole screen, there's no GUI layer of any kind), but it's a user program. Try `aptitude install fbterm' and then run `fbterm' from your console command line. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 17 22:42:12 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Dec 2014 03:42:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49431 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Rye-0007sa-Gj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:42:12 -0500 Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:54277) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Ryc-0007sR-IX for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:42:11 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NGR00300DSQPL00@mtaout28.012.net.il> for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:39:53 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NGR000EHE6GMF40@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:39:53 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:42:03 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Stefan Monnier Message-id: <83mw6lvd2s.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: schwab@suse.de, rms@gnu.org, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Stefan Monnier > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:40:17 -0500 > Cc: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org > > >> Maybe fbterm handles those characters better? > > What is fbterm, and how does it relate? > > It's kind of like xterm but instead of running under X11 it uses > directly the framebuffer device. So it is similar to Linux's builtin > terminal emulator (it uses up the whole screen, there's no GUI layer of > any kind), but it's a user program. > > Try `aptitude install fbterm' and then run `fbterm' from your console > command line. Are we sure fbterm won't try to compose those characters, and create a similar problem? At least PuTTY seems to do that. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 17 22:44:04 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Dec 2014 03:44:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49435 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1S0S-0007vc-12 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:44:04 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:56027) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1S0O-0007v4-L8 for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:44:01 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NGR00I00E9VIO00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:43:59 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NGR00IMOEDADM20@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:43:59 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:43:53 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text In-reply-to: <87mw6m6o42.fsf@igel.home> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Andreas Schwab Message-id: <83lhm5vczq.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sigfwqtd.fsf@gnu.org> <83sigeuldc.fsf@gnu.org> <87mw6m6o42.fsf@igel.home> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Andreas Schwab > Cc: rms@gnu.org, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 21:02:53 +0100 > > > M-x auto-composition-mode RET > > Composition mode has no effect in a termcap frame. I can see a similar > effect in emacs -nw running in Kconsole, because Konsole is apparently > doing composition on its own, causing the (uncomposed) characters no > longer occupy exactly one column. Moving over such a composed (by the > terminal) character temporarily breaks up the composition. I see something similar on PuTTY, which duped me into thinking composition mode is somehow a factor. So I guess this means we should somehow disable the composition on TTYs, or tell users to do that, right? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 18 06:25:00 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Dec 2014 11:25:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49493 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1ZCW-0002YY-5Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:25:00 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:32913) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1ZCU-0002YP-Lm for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:24:58 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1ZCT-0002cc-W5; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:24:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:24:57 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Andreas Schwab In-reply-to: (message from Andreas Schwab on Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:03:28 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: <83sigfwqtd.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > What happens if you echo the characters to the terminal outside of > Emacs? They occupy 7 colunms that way, just as they do in Emacs. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 18 06:25:27 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Dec 2014 11:25:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49497 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1ZCw-0002bV-EA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:25:26 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:32986) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1ZCs-0002bF-TT for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:25:23 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1ZCs-0002s1-A1; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:25:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:25:22 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <83sigeuldc.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 17 Dec 2014 21:28:15 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: <83sigfwqtd.fsf@gnu.org> <83sigeuldc.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Right. Does it help to disable compositions? > M-x auto-composition-mode RET When that mode is disabled, the problem is fixed. I can't reproduce any problem with that text with Auto-Composition mode disabled. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 18 09:27:38 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Dec 2014 14:27:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49587 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1c3G-00006Y-7E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:27:38 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:42453) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1c3C-00006P-8E for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:27:34 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj4PAOwQflTO+ILA/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVawjuCYgQCAoEkFwEBAQEBAXyEAwEBBFYjEAs0EhQYDSSIU9ZZAQEBAQEBBAEBAQEekG8HhEgFiwGkLoF4hBkhgncBAQE X-IPAS-Result: Aj4PAOwQflTO+ILA/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVawjuCYgQCAoEkFwEBAQEBAXyEAwEBBFYjEAs0EhQYDSSIU9ZZAQEBAQEBBAEBAQEekG8HhEgFiwGkLoF4hBkhgncBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,502,1413259200"; d="scan'208";a="102886088" Received: from 206-248-130-192.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.130.192]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 18 Dec 2014 09:27:33 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 89D122D79; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:27:33 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text Message-ID: References: <83mw6lvd2s.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:27:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83mw6lvd2s.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:42:03 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: schwab@suse.de, rms@gnu.org, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) >> >> Maybe fbterm handles those characters better? [...] > Are we sure fbterm won't try to compose those characters, Definitely not, which is why I said "maybe". IME, fbterm is nice but is not super-polished (e.g. when I move the mouse, the screen gets garbled, revealing the "underlying Linux terminal text"). Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 18 10:57:18 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Dec 2014 15:57:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50286 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1dS1-0002bZ-SV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:57:18 -0500 Received: from b2bfep13.mx.upcmail.net ([62.179.121.58]:59721) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1dRy-0002bN-KS for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:57:16 -0500 Received: from edge12.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.82]) by b2bfep13.mx.upcmail.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.11 201-2260-151-128-20120928) with ESMTP id <20141218155711.XIZL20529.b2bfep13-int.chello.at@edge12.upcmail.net> for <19347@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:57:11 +0100 Received: from iznogoud.viz ([85.127.8.35]) by edge12.upcmail.net with edge id V3x81p01J0lM6Wl0C3x9jx; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:57:11 +0100 X-SourceIP: 85.127.8.35 Received: from wolfgang by iznogoud.viz with local (Exim 4.84 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1dRs-0001mk-Is; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:57:08 +0100 From: Wolfgang Jenkner To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: <83mw6lvd2s.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:57:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:27:33 -0500") Message-ID: <85388dne7f.fsf@iznogoud.viz> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: schwab@suse.de, Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On Thu, Dec 18 2014, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> >> Maybe fbterm handles those characters better? > [...] >> Are we sure fbterm won't try to compose those characters, > > Definitely not, which is why I said "maybe". > IME, fbterm is nice but is not super-polished (e.g. when I move the > mouse, the screen gets garbled, revealing the "underlying Linux > terminal text"). Which reminds me that a term/fbterm.el could be added rather easily, I think, see http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/143665 and the corresponding thread (but I don't actually know how initializing emacs for a terminal really works). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 18 11:20:01 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Dec 2014 16:20:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50308 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1do1-0003FC-1T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:20:01 -0500 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:51882) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1dny-0003F1-B7 for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:19:59 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NGS00C00D4UUG00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:19:57 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NGS00C3EDD8SE70@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:19:57 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:19:52 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: rms@gnu.org Message-id: <8361d9udzr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sigfwqtd.fsf@gnu.org> <83sigeuldc.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:25:22 -0500 > From: Richard Stallman > CC: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Right. Does it help to disable compositions? > > > M-x auto-composition-mode RET > > When that mode is disabled, the problem is fixed. > I can't reproduce any problem with that text > with Auto-Composition mode disabled. That's a surprise. Can you look with "od -c" at termscript created with the Auto-Composition mode enabled and disabled, and see if Emacs sends different bytes to the screen in these two cases? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 19 02:18:36 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2014 07:18:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50728 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1rpc-0001uj-HO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 02:18:36 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:34922) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1rpa-0001ub-NI for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 02:18:35 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1rpa-0006uB-5s; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 02:18:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 02:18:34 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Stefan Monnier In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:40:17 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > It's kind of like xterm but instead of running under X11 it uses > directly the framebuffer device. So it is similar to Linux's builtin > terminal emulator (it uses up the whole screen, there's no GUI layer of > any kind), but it's a user program. It's good if fbterm avoids the problem, but Emacs needs to work correctly with Linux terminals. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 19 06:21:53 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2014 11:21:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50832 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1vd3-0000tS-Bq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 06:21:53 -0500 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:58323 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1vd1-0000tI-FU for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 06:21:52 -0500 Received: from relay2.suse.de (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DDFAD81; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:21:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas Schwab To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: X-Yow: I am having a CONCEPTION-- Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:21:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 19 Dec 2014 02:18:34 -0500") Message-ID: <874msranqq.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Richard Stallman writes: > It's good if fbterm avoids the problem, but > Emacs needs to work correctly with Linux terminals. Which font are you using for the Linux console? With lat9w-16.psfu I don't see any glitches. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 20 02:55:19 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Dec 2014 07:55:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52103 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2Esh-0004YQ-6W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 02:55:19 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:58359) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2Esd-0004YH-Eq for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 02:55:15 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2Esc-0004vH-Fy; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 02:55:14 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 02:55:14 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Andreas Schwab In-reply-to: <874msranqq.fsf@igel.home> (message from Andreas Schwab on Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:21:49 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: <874msranqq.fsf@igel.home> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Which font are you using for the Linux console? With lat9w-16.psfu I > don't see any glitches. Can you tell me what command to find that with? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 27 05:57:50 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Dec 2014 10:57:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58591 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4p4A-0006Em-FQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 05:57:50 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:46822) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4p47-0006Ec-7Z for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 05:57:48 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NH800900M58FU00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 12:57:45 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NH8009L4MG81H70@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 12:57:45 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 12:57:45 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: rms@gnu.org Message-id: <83mw69l5qu.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sigfwqtd.fsf@gnu.org> <83sigeuldc.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:25:22 -0500 > From: Richard Stallman > CC: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Right. Does it help to disable compositions? > > > M-x auto-composition-mode RET > > When that mode is disabled, the problem is fixed. > I can't reproduce any problem with that text > with Auto-Composition mode disabled. Could you please send the data I requested, i.e. the stuff Emacs sends to the terminal with and without Auto-Composition mode, as you find it in the termscript file? I'd like to figure out why Auto-Composition had any effect on TTY output in this case. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 27 17:55:46 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Dec 2014 22:55:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59266 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y50Gw-0001FO-3H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:55:46 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:35873) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y50Gu-0001FG-DH for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:55:44 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y50Gs-0003le-C2; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:55:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:55:42 -0500 Message-Id: From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <83mw69l5qu.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 27 Dec 2014 12:57:45 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: <83sigfwqtd.fsf@gnu.org> <83sigeuldc.fsf@gnu.org> <83mw69l5qu.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] enabled.out is output with Auto-Composition mode enabled. disabled.out is output with Auto-Composition mode disabled. They don't correspond to the same commands, but they both display the same buffer. With Auto-Composition mode enabled, the screen was messed up. 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That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 29 14:01:21 2014 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Dec 2014 19:01:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60516 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5fZB-0007rf-2X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:01:21 -0500 Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:59845) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5fZ3-0007rN-OJ for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:01:19 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NHC00G00XXIZL00@mtaout28.012.net.il> for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:59:02 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NHC00BDIY2E8M60@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:59:02 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:00:59 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: rms@gnu.org, Kenichi Handa Message-id: <838uhqcmc4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sigfwqtd.fsf@gnu.org> <83sigeuldc.fsf@gnu.org> <83mw69l5qu.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) Added Handa-san, as this seems to be some subtle issue with composed characters. The beginning of this thread is here: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=19347 The files Richard sent are here: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=19347#101 > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:55:42 -0500 > From: Richard Stallman > CC: schwab@suse.de, 19347@debbugs.gnu.org > > enabled.out is output with Auto-Composition mode enabled. > disabled.out is output with Auto-Composition mode disabled. They > don't correspond to the same commands, but they both display the same > buffer. With Auto-Composition mode enabled, the screen was messed up. > With Auto-Composition mode disabled, display was correct. The difference is the character whose codepoint is 0x09C1. This character's general category is "non-spacing mark". When Auto-Composition mode is disabled, we compute the width of this character as zero, and don't add it to the glyph row, so it doesn't get written to the terminal. When Auto-Composition mode is enabled, we compose this character with the preceding one, and send them both to the terminal. More importantly, it looks like, when a TTY frame displays on a terminal in a UTF-8 locale, we send composed characters to the terminal, and I'm not sure text-mode terminals and/or our TTY display code are ready for that. For example, moving the cursor seems to send only part of the composition sequence to the screen, which produces garbled display. Should we disable (or bypass) Auto-Composition mode on TTY frames? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 12 04:52:11 2015 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2015 09:52:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54047 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YAbfP-0006Hp-F9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 04:52:11 -0500 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:56120 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YAbfN-0006Hf-2A for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 04:52:09 -0500 Received: from relay2.suse.de (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB85DAC04; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 09:52:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas Schwab To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: <874msranqq.fsf@igel.home> X-Yow: Spreading peanut butter reminds me of opera!! I wonder why? Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 10:52:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 20 Dec 2014 02:55:14 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19347 Cc: 19347@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Richard Stallman writes: > > Which font are you using for the Linux console? With lat9w-16.psfu I > > don't see any glitches. > > Can you tell me what command to find that with? On my system, it's set from CONSOLE_FONT in /etc/sysconfig/console. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 28 07:37:43 2022 Received: (at 19347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2022 11:37:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45618 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nk2Ss-0001cy-Vz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2022 07:37:43 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:53724) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nk2Sr-0001ci-1e for 19347@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2022 07:37:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=hL7alrgEsjFXV4T+fUS+tMnzNPT/VNB/45cKJ2NQMaI=; b=GJ6CI5MNMmpT0DmDvVF8aU8r8u 44dBqEHcnJ+eHGg+PpY691eIlD3J2eIPVSW2hTE/OWCIKvah1rUjCS80c+UIXW5MsUpmjrGXoU/Si JnGiglOdfZVO+V9KSxXlpAvO/gZOxFgFoc3D2vn5xDaNzCay74SH+oLsdo2TaFwso3Qc=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nk2Sh-0000E2-Nb; Thu, 28 Apr 2022 13:37:34 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#19347: 24.4.50; Display of bengali text References: <83sigfwqtd.fsf@gnu.org> <83sigeuldc.fsf@gnu.org> <83mw69l5qu.fsf@gnu.org> <838uhqcmc4.fsf@gnu.org> X-Now-Playing: DiY's _This Is Fascism (1)_: "This Is Fascism (D.I.Y. Mix)" Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 13:37:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: <838uhqcmc4.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:00:59 +0200") Message-ID: <871qxhmoas.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Should we disable (or bypass) Auto-Composition mode on TTY frames? (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved at the time.) 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