From unknown Thu Sep 11 11:26:36 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18930: install-data-local fails with 2.4.3 Resent-From: Allan McRae Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-libtool@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 07:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 18930 X-GNU-PR-Package: libtool X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 18930@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-libtool@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.14149990876437 (code B ref -1); Mon, 03 Nov 2014 07:19:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Nov 2014 07:18:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46730 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XlBtu-0001fk-0p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 02:18:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42473) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XlA3l-0005Z9-Em for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 00:20:10 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XlA3W-0000ib-5s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 00:20:04 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:54201) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XlA3W-0000iW-3R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 00:19:54 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44151) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XlA3O-0004SD-8v for bug-libtool@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 00:19:54 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XlA3G-0000E4-No for bug-libtool@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 00:19:46 -0500 Received: from nymeria.archlinux.org ([89.238.67.251]:57670) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XlA3G-0000Ay-HR for bug-libtool@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 00:19:38 -0500 Received: from nymeria.archlinux.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nymeria.archlinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3AD40068 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 06:19:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.1.1.2] (122-148-115-77.static.dsl.dodo.com.au [122.148.115.77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: allan) by nymeria.archlinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8FE124005E for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 06:19:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54571060.1040700@archlinux.org> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 15:19:28 +1000 From: Allan McRae User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 02:18:04 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) With the 2.4.3 release, I can no longer run "make DESTDIR=3D/install/install-data-local". I get the following error: GREP=3D'/usr/bin/grep' SED=3D'/usr/bin/sed' './build-aux/inline-source' libtoolize > '/install/usr/bin/libtoolize'; /bin/sh: /install/usr/bin/libtoolize: No such file or directory It looks like install-data-local requires libtoolize to be installed and should depend on install-binSCRIPTS. Or even better, do not adjust libtoolize if it has not been installed (useful for installing libltdl files separately). Allan From unknown Thu Sep 11 11:26:36 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18930: install-data-local fails with 2.4.3 Resent-From: "Gary V. Vaughan" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-libtool@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 11:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18930 X-GNU-PR-Package: libtool X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Allan McRae Cc: 18930@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 18930-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18930.141501415010190 (code B ref 18930); Mon, 03 Nov 2014 11:30:02 +0000 Received: (at 18930) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Nov 2014 11:29:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46841 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XlFos-0002eG-6x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 06:29:10 -0500 Received: from sub3.mail.dreamhost.com ([69.163.253.7]:42331 helo=homiemail-a100.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XlFop-0002e7-D6 for 18930@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 06:29:08 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a100.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a100.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578D431A070; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 03:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [31.185.158.161]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: gary@vaughan.pe) by homiemail-a100.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AC0FA31A073; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 03:29:05 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.0 \(1990.1\)) From: "Gary V. Vaughan" In-Reply-To: <54571060.1040700@archlinux.org> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 11:29:03 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <54571060.1040700@archlinux.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1990.1) X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) Hi Allan, > On Nov 3, 2014, at 5:19 AM, Allan McRae wrote: > > With the 2.4.3 release, I can no longer run "make > DESTDIR=/install/install-data-local". I get the following error: > > GREP='/usr/bin/grep' SED='/usr/bin/sed' './build-aux/inline-source' > libtoolize > '/install/usr/bin/libtoolize'; > /bin/sh: /install/usr/bin/libtoolize: No such file or directory > > It looks like install-data-local requires libtoolize to be installed and > should depend on install-binSCRIPTS. Or even better, do not adjust > libtoolize if it has not been installed (useful for installing libltdl > files separately). Thanks for the report. I'm afraid I can't reproduce this. From a freshly downloaded and configured libtool-2.4.3.tar.gz, everything works just fine here. A few hints though: - the invocation "build-aux/inline-source libtoolize > $destination" looks how I would expect, that's running the inline-source script over the just built libtoolize file in the build directory. - there's no reason to set DESTDIR during regular make, it's only used when you run 'make install' (or sub-rules of install). - if you have an install-data-local file in the current directory, then most make programs will consider the install-data-local rule to be already satisfied, and not bother to re-run it. GNU make has the `.PHONY` pseudo-target to mitigate this issue though, and install-data- local is added to .PHONY in the libtool-2.4.2 Makefile, so GNU make at least ought to behave reasonably here. I've changed the way libtoolize is installed since the 2.4.3 release on the master branch though, and your message reminds me that I need to manually add .PHONY dependencies to the new targets I added. If you are comfortable with bootstrapping the autotools generated files from a repository clone, and taking account of my hints above, please do try again with the current master HEAD revision and let me know if you are still having trouble. Cheers, -- Gary V. Vaughan (gary AT gnu DOT org) From unknown Thu Sep 11 11:26:36 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#18930: install-data-local fails with 2.4.3 Resent-From: Allan McRae Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-libtool@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 12:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18930 X-GNU-PR-Package: libtool X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Gary V. Vaughan" Cc: 18930@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 18930-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18930.141501802421945 (code B ref 18930); Mon, 03 Nov 2014 12:34:01 +0000 Received: (at 18930) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Nov 2014 12:33:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46885 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XlGpL-0005hs-S1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 07:33:44 -0500 Received: from nymeria.archlinux.org ([89.238.67.251]:60289) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XlGpG-0005he-Bq for 18930@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 07:33:42 -0500 Received: from nymeria.archlinux.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nymeria.archlinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A2C4005E; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 13:33:35 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on nymeria.archlinux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from [10.1.1.2] (122-148-115-77.static.dsl.dodo.com.au [122.148.115.77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: allan) by nymeria.archlinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 65AA84004D; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 13:33:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54577619.1040605@archlinux.org> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 22:33:29 +1000 From: Allan McRae User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <54571060.1040700@archlinux.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) On 03/11/14 21:29, Gary V. Vaughan wrote: > Hi Allan, > >> On Nov 3, 2014, at 5:19 AM, Allan McRae wrote: >> >> With the 2.4.3 release, I can no longer run "make >> DESTDIR=/install/install-data-local". I get the following error: >> >> GREP='/usr/bin/grep' SED='/usr/bin/sed' './build-aux/inline-source' >> libtoolize > '/install/usr/bin/libtoolize'; >> /bin/sh: /install/usr/bin/libtoolize: No such file or directory >> >> It looks like install-data-local requires libtoolize to be installed and >> should depend on install-binSCRIPTS. Or even better, do not adjust >> libtoolize if it has not been installed (useful for installing libltdl >> files separately). > > Thanks for the report. I'm afraid I can't reproduce this. From a > freshly downloaded and configured libtool-2.4.3.tar.gz, everything works > just fine here. > > A few hints though: > > - the invocation "build-aux/inline-source libtoolize > $destination" looks > how I would expect, that's running the inline-source script over the > just built libtoolize file in the build directory. > > - there's no reason to set DESTDIR during regular make, it's only used > when you run 'make install' (or sub-rules of install). > > - if you have an install-data-local file in the current directory, then > most make programs will consider the install-data-local rule to be > already satisfied, and not bother to re-run it. GNU make has the > `.PHONY` pseudo-target to mitigate this issue though, and install-data- > local is added to .PHONY in the libtool-2.4.2 Makefile, so GNU make at > least ought to behave reasonably here. > > I've changed the way libtoolize is installed since the 2.4.3 release on the > master branch though, and your message reminds me that I need to manually > add .PHONY dependencies to the new targets I added. > > If you are comfortable with bootstrapping the autotools generated files > from a repository clone, and taking account of my hints above, please do > try again with the current master HEAD revision and let me know if you are > still having trouble. > Just to note there was a typo in my command: make DESTDIR=/install/ install-data-local So it is a "make install" type operation. It is also replicable on current master. I have just looked at the error... /bin/sh: /install/usr/bin/libtoolize: No such file or directory I am assuming this is because the /install/usr/bin directory has not been made yet. Allan From unknown Thu Sep 11 11:26:36 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.503 (Entity 5.503) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Allan McRae Subject: bug#18930: closed (Re: bug#18930: install-data-local fails with 2.4.3) Message-ID: References: <77BAAE48-5606-4414-8C18-7A46BF1A9AB9@gnu.org> <54571060.1040700@archlinux.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 18930 X-Gnu-PR-Package: libtool Reply-To: 18930@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 13:10:04 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1415020204-25670-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1415020204-25670-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #18930: install-data-local fails with 2.4.3 which was filed against the libtool package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 18930@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 18930: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D18930 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1415020204-25670-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 18930-close) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Nov 2014 13:09:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46918 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XlHOE-0006fS-Om for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 08:09:47 -0500 Received: from sub3.mail.dreamhost.com ([69.163.253.7]:57368 helo=homiemail-a39.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XlHOC-0006fJ-ET for 18930-close@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 08:09:45 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a39.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a39.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86EAD15007E; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 05:09:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [31.185.158.161]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: gary@vaughan.pe) by homiemail-a39.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A626D150078; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 05:09:42 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.0 \(1990.1\)) Subject: Re: bug#18930: install-data-local fails with 2.4.3 From: "Gary V. Vaughan" In-Reply-To: <54577619.1040605@archlinux.org> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 13:09:39 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <77BAAE48-5606-4414-8C18-7A46BF1A9AB9@gnu.org> References: <54571060.1040700@archlinux.org> <54577619.1040605@archlinux.org> To: Allan McRae X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1990.1) X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18930-close Cc: 18930-close@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) Hi Allan, > On Nov 3, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Allan McRae wrote: > > Just to note there was a typo in my command: > > make DESTDIR=/install/ install-data-local > > So it is a "make install" type operation. It is also replicable on > current master. > > I have just looked at the error... > /bin/sh: /install/usr/bin/libtoolize: No such file or directory > > I am assuming this is because the /install/usr/bin directory has not > been made yet. Thanks for persevering with me. Yes, you are quite right! I pushed a fix just now, so the next release will behave correctly again. Cheers, -- Gary V. Vaughan (gary AT gnu DOT org) ------------=_1415020204-25670-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Nov 2014 07:18:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46730 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XlBtu-0001fk-0p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 02:18:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42473) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XlA3l-0005Z9-Em for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 00:20:10 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XlA3W-0000ib-5s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 00:20:04 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:54201) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XlA3W-0000iW-3R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 00:19:54 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44151) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XlA3O-0004SD-8v for bug-libtool@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 00:19:54 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XlA3G-0000E4-No for bug-libtool@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 00:19:46 -0500 Received: from nymeria.archlinux.org ([89.238.67.251]:57670) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XlA3G-0000Ay-HR for bug-libtool@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 00:19:38 -0500 Received: from nymeria.archlinux.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nymeria.archlinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3AD40068 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 06:19:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.1.1.2] (122-148-115-77.static.dsl.dodo.com.au [122.148.115.77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: allan) by nymeria.archlinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8FE124005E for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 06:19:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54571060.1040700@archlinux.org> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 15:19:28 +1000 From: Allan McRae User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bug-libtool@gnu.org Subject: install-data-local fails with 2.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 02:18:04 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) With the 2.4.3 release, I can no longer run "make DESTDIR=3D/install/install-data-local". I get the following error: GREP=3D'/usr/bin/grep' SED=3D'/usr/bin/sed' './build-aux/inline-source' libtoolize > '/install/usr/bin/libtoolize'; /bin/sh: /install/usr/bin/libtoolize: No such file or directory It looks like install-data-local requires libtoolize to be installed and should depend on install-binSCRIPTS. Or even better, do not adjust libtoolize if it has not been installed (useful for installing libltdl files separately). Allan ------------=_1415020204-25670-1--