From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:16:08 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#18900 <18900@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#18900 <18900@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.4; please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default Reply-To: bug#18900 <18900@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 14:16:08 +0000 retitle 18900 24.4; please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by def= ault reassign 18900 emacs submitter 18900 David Bremner severity 18900 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 30 03:56:26 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Oct 2014 07:56:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39684 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xjkal-0000kn-Qx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 03:56:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40002) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xjkaf-0000kL-52 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 03:56:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XjkaT-00013O-55 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 03:56:11 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:44778) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XjkaT-00013K-1P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 03:56:05 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41723) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XjkaM-0001Oc-A5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 03:56:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XjkaD-00012A-P9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 03:55:58 -0400 Received: from yantan.tethera.net ([199.188.72.155]:38868) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XjkaD-00011E-It for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 03:55:49 -0400 Received: from remotemail by yantan.tethera.net with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xjka6-0008Ru-42; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 04:55:42 -0300 Received: (nullmailer pid 13084 invoked by uid 1000); Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:55:36 -0000 From: David Bremner To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.4; please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default User-Agent: Notmuch/0.18.1+131~gdd8373f (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.4.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 08:55:36 +0100 Message-ID: <87mw8ef0uf.fsf@maritornes.cs.unb.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) I think it's a bad default to include the view-lossage in every bug report. In addition to the obvious risk of leaking private files, many users are using emacs to communicate via email and IRC; IRC seems particularly high risk because complete lines are typed together. I have left the IRC conversation that reminded me to report this bug intact to illustrate this. It could also happen that the contents of encrypted files and emails are leaked this way; I guess many users edit GnuPG encrypted files of secrets like passwords with emacs. I understand that the user has the chance to review the bug report and delete private things, but I think there is a good chance that the few lines of view-lossage will be overlooked in the middle of approximately 300 lines of configuration information. I'd be fine with some "opt-in" mechanism; perhaps a calling a hypothetical function "insert-lossage-infomation" could be suggested in the text. In GNU Emacs 24.4.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.3) of 2014-10-25 on trouble, modified by Debian Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11601000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux testing (jessie) Configured using: `configure --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-pop=yes --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.4/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.4/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-pop=yes --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.4/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.4/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp --with-x=yes --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-toolkit-scroll-bars 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wall' CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,relro' Important settings: value of $LANG: en_CA.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Circe Channel Minor modes in effect: diff-auto-refine-mode: t tracking-mode: t tooltip-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: . 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text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind gfilenotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 410881 62176) (symbols 48 41163 0) (miscs 40 1610 1016) (strings 32 112589 10264) (string-bytes 1 3058465) (vectors 16 52883) (vector-slots 8 3038599 281728) (floats 8 13092 636) (intervals 56 11499 90) (buffers 960 53) (heap 1024 60890 2475)) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 30 11:35:44 2014 Received: (at 18900) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Oct 2014 15:35:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40676 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XjrlI-0005qb-CV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:35:44 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:43623 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XjrlF-0005qS-Fo for 18900@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:35:42 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XjrlE-0001Gu-2Z; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:35:40 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: David Bremner Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4; please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default References: <87mw8ef0uf.fsf@maritornes.cs.unb.ca> X-Spook: assassinate Sundevil underground NWO subversive jihad emc X-Ran: pZJ*:%*sb-*](jRAUobn_t.~lhE>m2ccP8O1zwoy%T*vy9\vR@72V<#$yQJ{Q$4;*g,R$) X-Hue: cyan X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:35:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87mw8ef0uf.fsf@maritornes.cs.unb.ca> (David Bremner's message of "Thu, 30 Oct 2014 08:55:36 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18900 Cc: 18900@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) I can't remember a single bug report in which I found the lossage useful or relevant. I'd be happy to just remove it. We can always ask for it in the extremely rare cases where it is needed. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 31 15:14:04 2014 Received: (at 18900) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Oct 2014 19:14:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44109 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XkHe8-0005Lb-9w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:14:04 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:17152) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XkHe6-0005L1-6w for 18900@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:14:02 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au4MAOatTlRFpY87/2dsb2JhbABcgw6DYoZ+y1MEAgKBHBcBAXyEAwEBAwFWIwULCw4mEhQYDSSISwnLcgEBAQEBBQEBAQEejSGDZweESwWfEoNJj0WBb4QUIYJ6AQEB X-IPAS-Result: Au4MAOatTlRFpY87/2dsb2JhbABcgw6DYoZ+y1MEAgKBHBcBAXyEAwEBAwFWIwULCw4mEhQYDSSISwnLcgEBAQEBBQEBAQEejSGDZweESwWfEoNJj0WBb4QUIYJ6AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,797,1406606400"; d="scan'208";a="95691727" Received: from 69-165-143-59.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.143.59]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 31 Oct 2014 15:13:55 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 7E3B862BA; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:13:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4; please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default Message-ID: References: <87mw8ef0uf.fsf@maritornes.cs.unb.ca> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:13:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:35:39 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18900 Cc: David Bremner , 18900@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > I can't remember a single bug report in which I found the lossage useful > or relevant. I'd be happy to just remove it. We can always ask for it in > the extremely rare cases where it is needed. Fine by me, Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 01 11:04:56 2014 Received: (at 18900) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2014 15:04:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44751 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XkaEY-0003nO-L5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 11:04:56 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:52100 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XkaES-0003n7-Oy for 18900@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 11:04:52 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XkaER-0001xh-9J; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 11:04:47 -0400 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2014 11:04:47 -0400 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:35:39 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4; please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default References: <87mw8ef0uf.fsf@maritornes.cs.unb.ca> X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18900 Cc: david@tethera.net, 18900@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I can't remember a single bug report in which I found the lossage useful > or relevant. I'd be happy to just remove it. We can always ask for it in > the extremely rare cases where it is needed. Are you thinking of a reproducible bug? It isn't needed for them. It is meant to be useful for irreproducible bugs, if the user runs report-emacs-bug right away. To make it possible to ask for those data later, they have to be saved. We could make report-emacs-bug save them in a file in case they are asked for. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 01 12:02:58 2014 Received: (at 18900) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2014 16:02:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44771 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xkb8k-0005Ig-4R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 12:02:58 -0400 Received: from yantan.tethera.net ([199.188.72.155]:44624) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xkb8g-0005IR-Ry for 18900@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 12:02:55 -0400 Received: from remotemail by yantan.tethera.net with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xkb8d-0007TX-Hq; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 13:02:51 -0300 Received: (nullmailer pid 3332 invoked by uid 1000); Sat, 01 Nov 2014 16:02:45 -0000 From: David Bremner To: rms@gnu.org, Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4; please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default In-Reply-To: References: <87mw8ef0uf.fsf@maritornes.cs.unb.ca> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.18.2+156~g3cc8ed5 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.4.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2014 17:02:45 +0100 Message-ID: <87sii2hpsq.fsf@maritornes.cs.unb.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18900 Cc: 18900@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) Richard Stallman writes: > > Are you thinking of a reproducible bug? It isn't needed for them. It > is meant to be useful for irreproducible bugs, if the user runs > report-emacs-bug right away. > > To make it possible to ask for those data later, they have to be > saved. We could make report-emacs-bug save them in a file > in case they are asked for. I'd worry a bit about similar issues with writing sensitive information to disk in clear text. Although this is almost certainly less severe of a problem than sending the same information to a public mailing list, it still doesn't seem like a good default to me. What about a seperate function "report-bug-with-key-log" so that the user has to consciously make a choice to send this information? One can of course debate about the name, I would just prefer transparency to tradition here. Cheers, David From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 01 13:08:00 2014 Received: (at 18900) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2014 17:08:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44791 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xkc9f-0006vr-Cr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 13:07:59 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:53617 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xkc9c-0006vi-Gy for 18900@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 13:07:57 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xkc9Z-00021M-6P; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 13:07:53 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: rms@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4; please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default References: <87mw8ef0uf.fsf@maritornes.cs.unb.ca> X-Spook: [Hello to all my friends and fans in domestic X-Ran: C+!EThi~NGf,Gj|8QZxY4:PtlR)t67HTpL08HAkvS.'-cOr'4NXg9y@]:Pn]"_2X9imrZ- X-Hue: white X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2014 13:07:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 01 Nov 2014 11:04:47 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18900 Cc: david@tethera.net, 18900@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) Richard Stallman wrote: > is meant to be useful for irreproducible bugs, if the user runs > report-emacs-bug right away. I'm saying I can't remember a single case where that happened, in several 1000 bug reports. I think "accidentally included some private data" is many, many more times likely to occur. So I don't see the need for any clever lossage handling. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 02 00:57:18 2014 Received: (at 18900) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2014 04:57:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44992 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XknE6-0005Ni-4V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 00:57:18 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:33356 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XknE3-0005NZ-3Q for 18900@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 00:57:15 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XknE0-0004Sz-VE; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 00:57:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 00:57:12 -0400 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Sat, 01 Nov 2014 13:07:53 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4; please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default References: <87mw8ef0uf.fsf@maritornes.cs.unb.ca> X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18900 Cc: david@tethera.net, 18900@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I think I added the feature. I must have wanted to see that information sometimes. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 02 12:41:38 2014 Received: (at 18900) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2014 17:41:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46304 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xkz9m-0001Sd-B0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 12:41:38 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:42396 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xkz9j-0001SU-6I for 18900@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 12:41:35 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xkz9g-0007Ei-61; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 12:41:32 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: rms@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4; please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default References: <87mw8ef0uf.fsf@maritornes.cs.unb.ca> X-Spook: Serbian NATO NSA Legion of Doom argus undercover X-Ran: R:&vF;<-X-d--ee;Z0dM9>`JL5L$3=?b'5@]h|}8~^G3@+N (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 02 Nov 2014 00:57:12 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18900 Cc: david@tethera.net, 18900@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) Richard Stallman wrote: > I think I added the feature. I must have wanted to see that > information sometimes. It was a long time ago, perhaps such problems were more frequent then. They are very rare/nonexistent now. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 02 21:29:26 2014 Received: (at 18900) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Nov 2014 02:29:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46540 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xl7OY-00011g-Ca for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 21:29:26 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:9935) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xl7OW-00011T-5i for 18900@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 21:29:24 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au4MAOatTlRFpY87/2dsb2JhbABcgw6DYoZ+y1MEAgKBHBcBAXyEAwEBAwFWIxALDiYSFBgNJIhLCctyAQEBAQYBAQEBHo0hg2cHhEsFi2STLoNJj0WBb4QWH4J6AQEB X-IPAS-Result: Au4MAOatTlRFpY87/2dsb2JhbABcgw6DYoZ+y1MEAgKBHBcBAXyEAwEBAwFWIxALDiYSFBgNJIhLCctyAQEBAQYBAQEBHo0hg2cHhEsFi2STLoNJj0WBb4QWH4J6AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,797,1406606400"; d="scan'208";a="95812844" Received: from 69-165-143-59.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.165.143.59]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 02 Nov 2014 21:29:17 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 55B2F660F3; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 21:29:17 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4; please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default Message-ID: References: <87mw8ef0uf.fsf@maritornes.cs.unb.ca> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 21:29:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Sun, 02 Nov 2014 12:41:31 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18900 Cc: david@tethera.net, rms@gnu.org, 18900@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) >> I think I added the feature. I must have wanted to see that >> information sometimes. > It was a long time ago, perhaps such problems were more frequent then. > They are very rare/nonexistent now. As mentioned earlier, I fully agree. Let's just delete the view-lossage from report-emacs-bug. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 04 02:07:44 2014 Received: (at 18900-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2014 07:07:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48075 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XlYDQ-0001h3-6e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 02:07:44 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:50968) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XlYDO-0001gv-9l for 18900-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 02:07:42 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XlYDM-0005Si-Ga; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 02:07:40 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 18900-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4; please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default References: <87mw8ef0uf.fsf@maritornes.cs.unb.ca> X-Spook: kibo FIPS140 Serbian espionage e-cash Semtex Leitrim diwn X-Ran: ]F.[Y.VF\NNYX-lsnyq7cy2d,Ub?xT82b%b"_a=`Z$EXn'U/EnOOl!XRwQw\7mz'0Ien+\ X-Hue: magenta X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 02:07:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 02 Nov 2014 21:29:17 -0500") Message-ID: <9rmw87o343.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18900-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) Version: 24.5 Stefan Monnier wrote: > Let's just delete the view-lossage from report-emacs-bug. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 05 10:48:09 2014 Received: (at 18900) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2014 15:48:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50142 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xm2oa-0001b5-U5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 10:48:09 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:41614) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xm2oY-0001av-26 for 18900@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 10:48:07 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NEK00900P74LR00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 18900@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 17:48:03 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NEK009CSP838E80@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 17:48:03 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 17:47:59 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4; please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default In-reply-to: <9rmw87o343.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Glenn Morris Message-id: <83d291vec0.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87mw8ef0uf.fsf@maritornes.cs.unb.ca> <9rmw87o343.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18900 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, david@tethera.net, 18900@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Glenn Morris > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 02:07:40 -0500 > > Version: 24.5 > > Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > Let's just delete the view-lossage from report-emacs-bug. Thanks, but why on the release branch? There shouldn't be behavior changes and non-bugfixes there... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 05 11:47:59 2014 Received: (at 18900) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2014 16:47:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50255 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xm3kU-0003AZ-KC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:47:58 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:36466) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xm3kT-0003AS-Eu for 18900@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:47:57 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xm3kS-0000nH-6z; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:47:56 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4; please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default References: <87mw8ef0uf.fsf@maritornes.cs.unb.ca> <9rmw87o343.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83d291vec0.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: Delta Force wire transfer import cryptanalysis X-Ran: t=3LaNK^?My6/:^X5dAp\d^|aAkYE!)WNdNqt4yS[9LCguz.j9HDarh9 (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 05 Nov 2014 17:47:59 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18900 Cc: david@tethera.net, 18900@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Thanks, but why on the release branch? There shouldn't be behavior > changes and non-bugfixes there... Because silently including someone's private data in a bug report would be a bad bug IMO. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 05 12:08:06 2014 Received: (at 18900) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2014 17:08:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50312 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xm43x-0003l8-Rp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:08:06 -0500 Received: from mtaout25.012.net.il ([80.179.55.181]:46891) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xm43k-0003kT-2B for 18900@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:08:04 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout25.012.net.il by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NEK00600SMZ0000@mtaout25.012.net.il> for 18900@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 19:03:20 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NEK00MEZSPKI780@mtaout25.012.net.il>; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 19:03:20 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 19:07:45 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4; please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Glenn Morris Message-id: <83389xvan2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87mw8ef0uf.fsf@maritornes.cs.unb.ca> <9rmw87o343.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83d291vec0.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18900 Cc: david@tethera.net, 18900@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: 18900@debbugs.gnu.org, david@tethera.net > Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:47:56 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Thanks, but why on the release branch? There shouldn't be behavior > > changes and non-bugfixes there... > > Because silently including someone's private data in a bug report would > be a bad bug IMO. We've been doing that for eons... From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:16:08 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator