From unknown Fri Aug 08 15:18:59 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#18836 <18836@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#18836 <18836@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 25.0.50; `insert-directory' barfs on nonexistent file, but not for `ls-lisp-insert-directory' Reply-To: bug#18836 <18836@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2025 22:18:59 +0000 retitle 18836 25.0.50; `insert-directory' barfs on nonexistent file, but no= t for `ls-lisp-insert-directory' reassign 18836 emacs submitter 18836 Drew Adams severity 18836 wishlist thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 25 15:56:15 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Oct 2014 19:56:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35491 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi7Re-0000om-Iz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:56:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58941) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi7Rc-0000oZ-2X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:56:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi7RM-0002Zy-CC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:56:06 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:41689) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi7RM-0002Zu-9Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:55:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60649) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi7RD-0004lu-I1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:55:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi7R4-0002Y9-Qx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:55:47 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:39351) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi7R4-0002Y3-KC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:55:38 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s9PJtbra013838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 19:55:37 GMT Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s9PJtQDS009139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 19:55:27 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s9PJt6dR008785 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 19:55:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:55:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.0.50; `insert-directory' barfs on nonexistent file, but not for `ls-lisp-insert-directory' X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) It seems that at least on some platforms (e.g. GNU/Linux), if you give an explicit list of files and dirs to `dired', to list (which you do by passing a cons as argument DIRNAME), the command fails with an error: (file-error "Reading directory" "no such file or directory" "/usr/foo/no-such-file.txt") No such error is raised on platforms that use `ls-lisp'. This non-`ls-lisp' behavior is not as friendly as it could be, and not as friendly as the `ls-lisp-insert-directory' behavior, which simply displays a message and then calls `ding': (message "%s: doesn't exist or is inaccessible" file) Would it be possible to make vanilla `insert-directory' more tolerant, i.e., make it act like `ls-lisp-insert-directory', in this respect? Failing to access a single file should not prevent listing the others, if this can be handled properly. But maybe it's not feasible; dunno. [FWIW, I would even prefer to see the file or dir listed in the Dired buffer, even if it does not (yet) exist. Let user attempts to actually access it raise an error, and let no error be raised if the file is created after creating the Dired buffer but before the user tries to access the file.] In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-10-20 on LEG570 Bzr revision: 118168 rgm@gnu.org-20141020195941-icp42t8ttcnud09g Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs CPPFLAGS=3D-DGLYPH_DEBUG=3D1' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 10:56:24 2016 Received: (at 18836) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 14:56:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57873 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awWJj-0001FV-QJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 10:56:23 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:57416) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awWJi-0001FO-Lp for 18836@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 10:56:22 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awWJf-0003SC-Sk; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:56:21 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#18836: 25.0.50; `insert-directory' barfs on nonexistent file, but not for `ls-lisp-insert-directory' References: Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:56:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:55:05 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <8760uzp2lo.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18836 Cc: 18836@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Drew Adams writes: > Would it be possible to make vanilla `insert-directory' more tolerant, > i.e., make it act like `ls-lisp-insert-directory', in this respect? I have no opinion on that, but: What on Earth is that function (and all its adjacent functions) doing in files.el? (insert-directory "." "-l") => drwxrwxr-x 22 larsi larsi 4096 april 30 16:49 . This doesn't seem like a very ... useful general function. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 11:40:30 2016 Received: (at 18836) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 15:40:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57971 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awX0N-0005e1-5m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:40:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41536) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awX0I-0005dm-TL for 18836@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:40:26 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awX04-0000oj-8G for 18836@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:40:14 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59512) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awX04-0000kY-4o; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:40:08 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1808 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1awWzy-0007on-0G; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:40:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:39:59 +0300 Message-Id: <831t5np0kw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-reply-to: <8760uzp2lo.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:56:19 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#18836: 25.0.50; `insert-directory' barfs on nonexistent file, but not for `ls-lisp-insert-directory' References: <8760uzp2lo.fsf@gnus.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18836 Cc: 18836@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:56:19 +0200 > Cc: 18836@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Would it be possible to make vanilla `insert-directory' more tolerant, > > i.e., make it act like `ls-lisp-insert-directory', in this respect? > > I have no opinion on that, but: What on Earth is that function (and all > its adjacent functions) doing in files.el? Where else would you like them to be? > (insert-directory "." "-l") > => > drwxrwxr-x 22 larsi larsi 4096 april 30 16:49 . > > This doesn't seem like a very ... useful general function. Then how come dired.el calls it? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 11:46:16 2016 Received: (at 18836) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 15:46:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57994 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awX60-0006oT-9Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:46:16 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:57803) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awX5y-0006n8-VG for 18836@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:46:15 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awX5u-0003sT-ME; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 17:46:14 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#18836: 25.0.50; `insert-directory' barfs on nonexistent file, but not for `ls-lisp-insert-directory' References: <8760uzp2lo.fsf@gnus.org> <831t5np0kw.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 17:46:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: <831t5np0kw.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:39:59 +0300") Message-ID: <87vb2zm75p.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18836 Cc: 18836@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen >> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:56:19 +0200 >> Cc: 18836@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> > Would it be possible to make vanilla `insert-directory' more tolerant, >> > i.e., make it act like `ls-lisp-insert-directory', in this respect? >> >> I have no opinion on that, but: What on Earth is that function (and all >> its adjacent functions) doing in files.el? > > Where else would you like them to be? In dired.el. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 11:54:07 2016 Received: (at 18836) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 15:54:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58020 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awXDb-0007j4-H5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:54:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44522) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awXDa-0007ic-Nv for 18836@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:54:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awXDM-000583-Fz for 18836@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:53:58 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59726) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awXDM-00055x-Cj; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:53:52 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1842 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1awXDG-0000uV-5a; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:53:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:53:44 +0300 Message-Id: <83vb2znldj.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-reply-to: <87vb2zm75p.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sat, 30 Apr 2016 17:46:10 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#18836: 25.0.50; `insert-directory' barfs on nonexistent file, but not for `ls-lisp-insert-directory' References: <8760uzp2lo.fsf@gnus.org> <831t5np0kw.fsf@gnu.org> <87vb2zm75p.fsf@gnus.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18836 Cc: 18836@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: 18836@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 17:46:10 +0200 > > >> I have no opinion on that, but: What on Earth is that function (and all > >> its adjacent functions) doing in files.el? > > > > Where else would you like them to be? > > In dired.el. Dired isn't preloaded. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 12:05:19 2016 Received: (at 18836) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 16:05:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58056 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awXOO-0001J7-CX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:05:19 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:57995) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awXOJ-0001Iw-26 for 18836@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:05:14 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awXOE-00044n-Sp; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:05:10 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#18836: 25.0.50; `insert-directory' barfs on nonexistent file, but not for `ls-lisp-insert-directory' References: <8760uzp2lo.fsf@gnus.org> <831t5np0kw.fsf@gnu.org> <87vb2zm75p.fsf@gnus.org> <83vb2znldj.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:05:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83vb2znldj.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:53:44 +0300") Message-ID: <874majm6a5.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18836 Cc: 18836@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen >> Cc: 18836@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 17:46:10 +0200 >> >> >> I have no opinion on that, but: What on Earth is that function (and all >> >> its adjacent functions) doing in files.el? >> > >> > Where else would you like them to be? >> >> In dired.el. > > Dired isn't preloaded. But does anything other than dired use it? I see that other packages (like ange-ftp) instrument it... it that the reason it's in files.el? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 12:20:59 2016 Received: (at 18836) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 16:20:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58071 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awXdX-0003Tj-MU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:20:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50248) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awXdS-0003TU-Ii for 18836@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:20:54 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awXdE-0004r6-23 for 18836@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:20:42 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60366) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awXdD-0004qE-SS; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:20:35 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1870 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1awXd7-0000CV-QU; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:20:30 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 19:20:28 +0300 Message-Id: <83r3dnnk4z.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-reply-to: <874majm6a5.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:05:06 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#18836: 25.0.50; `insert-directory' barfs on nonexistent file, but not for `ls-lisp-insert-directory' References: <8760uzp2lo.fsf@gnus.org> <831t5np0kw.fsf@gnu.org> <87vb2zm75p.fsf@gnus.org> <83vb2znldj.fsf@gnu.org> <874majm6a5.fsf@gnus.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18836 Cc: 18836@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: 18836@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:05:06 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > >> Cc: 18836@debbugs.gnu.org > >> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 17:46:10 +0200 > >> > >> >> I have no opinion on that, but: What on Earth is that function (and all > >> >> its adjacent functions) doing in files.el? > >> > > >> > Where else would you like them to be? > >> > >> In dired.el. > > > > Dired isn't preloaded. > > But does anything other than dired use it? I see that other packages > (like ange-ftp) instrument it... it that the reason it's in files.el? Yes. Also, ls-lisp. 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Thanks. I've filed bug #53524 for the additional improvement. Users should be able to create the listing, with the missing file/dir. An error should be raised only if and when you try to visit that file/dir. From unknown Fri Aug 08 15:18:59 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 12:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator