Package: emacs;
Reported by: Fabrice Niessen <fni-news <at> pirilampo.org>
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 15:07:02 UTC
Severity: wishlist
Tags: notabug
Found in version 24.3.94
Done: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net>
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(Fri, 17 Oct 2014 15:07:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Fabrice Niessen <fni-news <at> pirilampo.org>:bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org.
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From: Fabrice Niessen <fni-news <at> pirilampo.org> To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org Subject: 24.3.94; Why is Cygwin Emacs 2x quicker than Windows Emacs? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 17:04:29 +0200
Hello,
Maybe the test is partial -- even surely. Though, I wonder why Cygwin
Emacs is 2 times quicker than its Windows counterpart to tangle an Org
file, and export it to HTML?
Observations:
- With the Widows binary "GNU Emacs 24.3.94.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of
2014-10-02" (compiled by Dani), it always takes around 2:35.
- With the Cygwin executable "GNU Emacs 24.3.93.1 (i686-pc-cygwin) of
2014-08-15", it always just takes around 1:19 for the same operation.
Needless to say: same config file, same Org mode version (8.3beta from
Git), same machine, etc.
The file I used for the test is my Emacs configuration file, to be found
on https://github.com/fniessen/emacs-leuven/blob/master/emacs-leuven.txt.
The command I executed, and for which I took the above measures, is:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(defun org-save-buffer-and-do-related ()
"Save buffer, execute/tangle code blocks, and export to HTML."
(interactive)
(let* ((orgfile (buffer-file-name))
(base-name (file-name-base orgfile))
(htmlfile (concat base-name ".html")))
(save-buffer)
(when (derived-mode-p 'org-mode)
(let ((before-save-hook nil))
(save-buffer))
(org-babel-tangle)
(when (file-exists-p htmlfile)
(if (file-newer-than-file-p orgfile htmlfile)
(org-html-export-to-html)
(message "HTML is up to date with Org file"))))))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
Would it make sense, I can make a video of them side by side...
Best regards.
bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org:bug#18752; Package emacs.
(Fri, 17 Oct 2014 15:42:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #8 received at 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: Fabrice Niessen <fni-news <at> pirilampo.org> Cc: 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#18752: 24.3.94; Why is Cygwin Emacs 2x quicker than Windows Emacs? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:41:26 +0300
> From: Fabrice Niessen <fni-news <at> pirilampo.org> > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 17:04:29 +0200 > > Maybe the test is partial -- even surely. Though, I wonder why Cygwin > Emacs is 2 times quicker than its Windows counterpart to tangle an Org > file, and export it to HTML? > > Observations: > > - With the Widows binary "GNU Emacs 24.3.94.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of > 2014-10-02" (compiled by Dani), it always takes around 2:35. > > - With the Cygwin executable "GNU Emacs 24.3.93.1 (i686-pc-cygwin) of > 2014-08-15", it always just takes around 1:19 for the same operation. > > Needless to say: same config file, same Org mode version (8.3beta from > Git), same machine, etc. > > The file I used for the test is my Emacs configuration file, to be found > on https://github.com/fniessen/emacs-leuven/blob/master/emacs-leuven.txt. > > The command I executed, and for which I took the above measures, is: > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > (defun org-save-buffer-and-do-related () > "Save buffer, execute/tangle code blocks, and export to HTML." > (interactive) > (let* ((orgfile (buffer-file-name)) > (base-name (file-name-base orgfile)) > (htmlfile (concat base-name ".html"))) > (save-buffer) > (when (derived-mode-p 'org-mode) > (let ((before-save-hook nil)) > (save-buffer)) > (org-babel-tangle) > (when (file-exists-p htmlfile) > (if (file-newer-than-file-p orgfile htmlfile) > (org-html-export-to-html) > (message "HTML is up to date with Org file")))))) > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- You forgot to tell on what OS version was that. You also forgot to tell what compiler options were used for each build. E.g., if the Cygwin build is optimized, whereas the MinGW build is not, the twofold speedup is expected (I generally see a factor of 2.5 between an optimized and unoptimized build). Also, showing a profile collected by "M-x profiler-start RET" might give some clues.
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(Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:11:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #11 received at 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Fabrice Niessen <fni-news <at> pirilampo.org> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> Cc: 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, cygwin <cygwin <at> cygwin.com>, dmoncayo <at> gmail.com Subject: Re: bug#18752: 24.3.94; Why is Cygwin Emacs 2x quicker than Windows Emacs? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 23:08:51 +0200
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> From: Fabrice Niessen
>>
>> I wonder why Cygwin Emacs is 2 times quicker than its Windows
>> counterpart to tangle an Org file, and export it to HTML?
>>
>> - With the Widows binary "GNU Emacs 24.3.94.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of
>> 2014-10-02" (compiled by Dani), it always takes around 2:35.
>>
>> - With the Cygwin executable "GNU Emacs 24.3.93.1 (i686-pc-cygwin) of
>> 2014-08-15", it always just takes around 1:19 for the same operation.
>>
>> The command I executed, and for which I took the above measures, is:
>>
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> (defun org-save-buffer-and-do-related ()
>> "Save buffer, execute/tangle code blocks, and export to HTML."
>> (interactive)
>> (let* ((orgfile (buffer-file-name))
>> (base-name (file-name-base orgfile))
>> (htmlfile (concat base-name ".html")))
>> (save-buffer)
>> (when (derived-mode-p 'org-mode)
>> (let ((before-save-hook nil))
>> (save-buffer))
>> (org-babel-tangle)
>> (when (file-exists-p htmlfile)
>> (if (file-newer-than-file-p orgfile htmlfile)
>> (org-html-export-to-html)
>> (message "HTML is up to date with Org file"))))))
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> You forgot to tell on what OS version was that.
Windows 8.
> You also forgot to tell what compiler options were used for each
> build. E.g., if the Cygwin build is optimized, whereas the MinGW
> build is not, the twofold speedup is expected (I generally see
> a factor of 2.5 between an optimized and unoptimized build).
I have no idea how Cygwin Emacs gets compiled, nor Windows Emacs (done
by Dani). Putting them in Cc.
> Also, showing a profile collected by "M-x profiler-start RET" might
> give some clues.
Here it is:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
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Best regards,
Fabrice
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(Fri, 17 Oct 2014 22:14:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #14 received at 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Ken Brown <kbrown <at> cornell.edu> To: Fabrice Niessen <fni-news <at> pirilampo.org> Cc: 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, dmoncayo <at> gmail.com Subject: Re: bug#18752: 24.3.94; Why is Cygwin Emacs 2x quicker than Windows Emacs? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:12:53 -0400
On 10/17/2014 5:08 PM, Fabrice Niessen wrote: > I have no idea how Cygwin Emacs gets compiled The variable 'system-configuration-options' contains that information. Anyway, the answer is that it's built with optimization -O2. Ken
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(Sat, 18 Oct 2014 05:44:01 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #17 received at 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: Fabrice Niessen <fni-news <at> pirilampo.org> Cc: 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, cygwin <at> cygwin.com, dmoncayo <at> gmail.com Subject: Re: bug#18752: 24.3.94; Why is Cygwin Emacs 2x quicker than Windows Emacs? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:42:48 +0300
> From: Fabrice Niessen <fni-news <at> pirilampo.org> > Cc: 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, cygwin <cygwin <at> cygwin.com>, dmoncayo <at> gmail.com > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 23:08:51 +0200 > > > You also forgot to tell what compiler options were used for each > > build. E.g., if the Cygwin build is optimized, whereas the MinGW > > build is not, the twofold speedup is expected (I generally see > > a factor of 2.5 between an optimized and unoptimized build). > > I have no idea how Cygwin Emacs gets compiled, nor Windows Emacs (done > by Dani). Putting them in Cc. As Ken points out, the variable system-configuration-options is the way to tell. Given that the Cygwin build is optimized, it suffices to show that the MinGW one isn't, to explain the difference in speed.
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(Sat, 18 Oct 2014 06:54:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #20 received at 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Fabrice Niessen <fni-news <at> pirilampo.org> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> Cc: 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, cygwin <at> cygwin.com, dmoncayo <at> gmail.com Subject: Re: bug#18752: 24.3.94; Why is Cygwin Emacs 2x quicker than Windows Emacs? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:51:12 +0200
Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Fabrice Niessen wrote: >> >>> You also forgot to tell what compiler options were used for each >>> build. E.g., if the Cygwin build is optimized, whereas the MinGW >>> build is not, the twofold speedup is expected (I generally see >>> a factor of 2.5 between an optimized and unoptimized build). >> >> I have no idea how Cygwin Emacs gets compiled, nor Windows Emacs >> (done by Dani). Putting them in Cc. > > As Ken points out, the variable system-configuration-options is the > way to tell. On my Windows Emacs: "--enable-checking 'CFLAGS=-O0 -g3' CPPFLAGS=-DGLYPH_DEBUG=1" > Given that the Cygwin build is optimized, it suffices to show that the > MinGW one isn't, to explain the difference in speed. Dani, can you build an optimized version as well next time? Thanks!
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(Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:20:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #23 received at 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: Fabrice Niessen <fni-news <at> pirilampo.org> Cc: 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, cygwin <at> cygwin.com, dmoncayo <at> gmail.com Subject: Re: bug#18752: 24.3.94; Why is Cygwin Emacs 2x quicker than Windows Emacs? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:19:04 +0300
> From: Fabrice Niessen <fni-news <at> pirilampo.org> > Cc: 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, cygwin <at> cygwin.com, dmoncayo <at> gmail.com > Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:51:12 +0200 > > On my Windows Emacs: > > "--enable-checking 'CFLAGS=-O0 -g3' CPPFLAGS=-DGLYPH_DEBUG=1" That's an unoptimized build, so the twofold speed difference vs an optimized build is expected.
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(Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:12:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #26 received at 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo <at> gmail.com> To: Fabrice Niessen <fni-news <at> pirilampo.org> Cc: 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> Subject: Re: bug#18752: 24.3.94; Why is Cygwin Emacs 2x quicker than Windows Emacs? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 18:11:53 +0200
> Dani, can you build an optimized version as well next time? I could, yes. But before, I'd like to understand what are the advantages and drawbacks of optimized vs unoptimized builds. Could someone explain that to me, or tell me where could I read that information? Also, what should I do to produce an optimized build? "nt/INSTALL" shows an example of how to configure an unoptimized build, but there is no example for an optimized one. How about adding that lacking example to the file? -- Dani Moncayo
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(Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:18:01 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #29 received at 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo <at> gmail.com> Cc: 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, fni-news <at> pirilampo.org Subject: Re: bug#18752: 24.3.94; Why is Cygwin Emacs 2x quicker than Windows Emacs? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 19:17:39 +0300
> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 18:11:53 +0200 > From: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo <at> gmail.com> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > Dani, can you build an optimized version as well next time? > > I could, yes. But before, I'd like to understand what are the > advantages and drawbacks of optimized vs unoptimized builds. Could > someone explain that to me, or tell me where could I read that > information? Unoptimized builds make debugging easier, but are about 2 - 2.5 times slower than optimized ones. For that reason, the usual practice is to produce unoptimized builds for snapshots and pretests, but optimized ones for official releases. Latest GCC versions support a -Og optimization switch that gives you the best of both worlds. > Also, what should I do to produce an optimized build? "nt/INSTALL" > shows an example of how to configure an unoptimized build, but there > is no example for an optimized one. How about adding that lacking > example to the file? If you drop the "CFLAGS=" part, you get an optimized build by default. The example of that is already in nt/INSTALL, even before the one that shows how to pass non-default CFLAGS.
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(Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:26:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #32 received at 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo <at> gmail.com> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> Cc: 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#18752: 24.3.94; Why is Cygwin Emacs 2x quicker than Windows Emacs? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 18:25:17 +0200
>> I'd like to understand what are the >> advantages and drawbacks of optimized vs unoptimized builds. Could >> someone explain that to me, or tell me where could I read that >> information? > > Unoptimized builds make debugging easier, but are about 2 - 2.5 times > slower than optimized ones. For that reason, the usual practice is to > produce unoptimized builds for snapshots and pretests, but optimized > ones for official releases. > > Latest GCC versions support a -Og optimization switch that gives you > the best of both worlds. > >> Also, what should I do to produce an optimized build? "nt/INSTALL" >> shows an example of how to configure an unoptimized build, but there >> is no example for an optimized one. How about adding that lacking >> example to the file? > > If you drop the "CFLAGS=" part, you get an optimized build by > default. The example of that is already in nt/INSTALL, even before > the one that shows how to pass non-default CFLAGS. Thank you. -- Dani Moncayo
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(Sat, 18 Oct 2014 17:36:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #35 received at 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Ken Brown <kbrown <at> cornell.edu> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo <at> gmail.com> Cc: 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, fni-news <at> pirilampo.org Subject: Re: bug#18752: 24.3.94; Why is Cygwin Emacs 2x quicker than Windows Emacs? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 13:35:48 -0400
On 10/18/2014 12:17 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Unoptimized builds make debugging easier, but are about 2 - 2.5 times > slower than optimized ones. For that reason, the usual practice is to > produce unoptimized builds for snapshots and pretests, but optimized > ones for official releases. > > Latest GCC versions support a -Og optimization switch that gives you > the best of both worlds. Do you happen to know how much of a performance difference there typically is between -Og and -O2? Ken
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(Sat, 18 Oct 2014 17:52:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #38 received at 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: Ken Brown <kbrown <at> cornell.edu> Cc: 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, fni-news <at> pirilampo.org, dmoncayo <at> gmail.com Subject: Re: bug#18752: 24.3.94; Why is Cygwin Emacs 2x quicker than Windows Emacs? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:46:07 +0300
> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 13:35:48 -0400 > From: Ken Brown <kbrown <at> cornell.edu> > CC: 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, fni-news <at> pirilampo.org > > On 10/18/2014 12:17 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Unoptimized builds make debugging easier, but are about 2 - 2.5 times > > slower than optimized ones. For that reason, the usual practice is to > > produce unoptimized builds for snapshots and pretests, but optimized > > ones for official releases. > > > > Latest GCC versions support a -Og optimization switch that gives you > > the best of both worlds. > > Do you happen to know how much of a performance difference there typically is > between -Og and -O2? No; measurements welcome. Personally, I'd be surprised to see more than a few percents of difference for Emacs.
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(Sat, 18 Oct 2014 19:26:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #41 received at 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> Cc: 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, fni-news <at> pirilampo.org, Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo <at> gmail.com> Subject: Re: bug#18752: 24.3.94; Why is Cygwin Emacs 2x quicker than Windows Emacs? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:25:15 -0400
> Latest GCC versions support a -Og optimization switch that gives you
> the best of both worlds.
FWIW, I use "-Og -g3" and the result is not exactly the best of both
worlds in my view: I still constantly get "variable optimized away"
messages in GDB. But at least, the info I do get from GDB seems
usually correct.
Stefan
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(Sat, 18 Oct 2014 19:35:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #44 received at 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> Cc: 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, fni-news <at> pirilampo.org, dmoncayo <at> gmail.com Subject: Re: bug#18752: 24.3.94; Why is Cygwin Emacs 2x quicker than Windows Emacs? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:34:15 +0300
> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> > Cc: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo <at> gmail.com>, 18752 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, fni-news <at> pirilampo.org > Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:25:15 -0400 > > I still constantly get "variable optimized away" messages in GDB. Nothing can be done about this, given the complexity of DWARF and compiler/debugger bugs in implementing its dark corners. The problem with debugging -O2 code is that you cannot trust backtraces, and cannot set breakpoints and be sure they will break. This doesn't happen with -Og.
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