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[82.3.7.104]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id mb20sm15986835wic.9.2014.10.14.07.50.27 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Oct 2014 07:50:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Reuben Thomas To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:50:27 +0100 Message-ID: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) This is a bit unfortunate for a GNU program! The pattern that matches is, I presume, =E2=80=9C*.lib=E2=80=9D; the obvious question, for me, on a case-sensitive filing system is, need it be case-insensitive? After all, omitting .lib files seems sensible to me, but this is a .LIB file. 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B84B56607F; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 19:41:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB Message-ID: References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 19:41:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> (Reuben Thomas's message of "Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:50:27 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) Is COPYING.LIB a file that contains the LGPL license? 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Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 14 19:51:18 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Oct 2014 23:51:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43710 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeBs6-0004Zg-4i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 19:51:18 -0400 Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com ([209.85.217.180]:56289) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeBs3-0004ZU-PC for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 19:51:16 -0400 Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id n15so118258lbi.11 for <18716@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:51:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=9O/imbzsXEtuswsANJq8iESn7gULvfr/Y8lP+7tBKHQ=; b=gP/wkpA8KUP659rqiIWI5E/OH5/P5TZWfKNZgFwm0dfBM2GtznyJmOCeeTHjGNAeod IloHv9g86N/OXuXd4UDEwPBEsaN4tU9DRs6LR1OOxg9Va+GSh0gb1RvqaHBzhhjSmmjs Y+h6znIwv4tu1jhUmxwQg9ARrg1MUQrBhXfcc= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=9O/imbzsXEtuswsANJq8iESn7gULvfr/Y8lP+7tBKHQ=; b=dFAVQDmnyrXrKqV+ozjryzeuXIRSQd7T3/T8MaEG+LcHo6Jv5fAgBxpdIzk5/A56QO ASI+ykH9vAe8hOnrH2HM9l/VamAs3cW9fCxkOu22Iqur4fNWiAeAiqOEZloOuSRW1mYh 5kJY3Sw+lbgu9Z785fP1NqE+QNTaJ++uwjAkqtOsOrvhiP8pIkdZxgAT+KW7lW6oq2BG oDlhTI8An+V42sziAEUSdMo1/r+zbYQHh41TjL4NdbbJlDQeA07WCo5vSys6kA48fDna x9vNfCM+bfmWfGJmd5FzLSjvENlNdZ0EZI06bDrN2YgYsjKgGE0NofNKz9codF5/A6HD d2YA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkCWTzdvtZ8F58RS9ZJQCM+3WxGDRpXHi7C1Xgb1o1Q8xCPov+XmP66WTZzrZx2hpMt2sWI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.87.98 with SMTP id w2mr8448690laz.27.1413330674517; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.161.167 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:51:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:51:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB From: Reuben Thomas To: Stefan Monnier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c34bcece1cd705056ab08b X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a11c34bcece1cd705056ab08b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 15 October 2014 00:41, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Is COPYING.LIB a file that contains the LGPL license? > Yes. > Why name it so weirdly? I don't know, but this seems to be a common name for it. In my case, it was installed in a source tree by gettext. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --001a11c34bcece1cd705056ab08b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--001a11c34bcece1cd705056ab08b-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 15 03:56:20 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2014 07:56:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43834 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeJRT-0001js-RV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 03:56:20 -0400 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:53435 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeJRR-0001ji-8Y for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 03:56:18 -0400 Received: from relay1.suse.de (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0345DAAF3; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:56:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas Schwab To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> X-Yow: FUN is never having to say you're SUSHI!! Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:56:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 14 Oct 2014 19:41:30 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Reuben Thomas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Stefan Monnier writes: > Is COPYING.LIB a file that contains the LGPL license? > Why name it so weirdly? L used to stand for Library. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 15 10:21:35 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2014 14:21:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44553 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XePSI-0004pE-HB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:21:34 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:44631) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XePSG-0004p6-W8 for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:21:33 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMQCzQSFBgNJIgECNIZF456B4Q4AQOpGYFqg0wh X-IPAS-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMQCzQSFBgNJIgECNIZF456B4Q4AQOpGYFqg0wh X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="94260944" Received: from 69-196-168-232.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.168.232]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 15 Oct 2014 10:21:32 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 505C47CFB; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:21:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB Message-ID: References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:21:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:56:15 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Reuben Thomas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) >> Is COPYING.LIB a file that contains the LGPL license? >> Why name it so weirdly? > L used to stand for Library. Doesn't explain the need for an extension. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 15 10:26:08 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2014 14:26:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44565 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XePWh-0004xP-T6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:26:08 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f48.google.com ([209.85.215.48]:35151) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XePWe-0004xD-TS for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:26:05 -0400 Received: by mail-la0-f48.google.com with SMTP id gi9so1139570lab.21 for <18716@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:26:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ACY3pPN4uFPpFonoORdm75Ppu6aoePhKzVWIOsponBo=; b=2cVmXTj5xWNT1emZ3Z3Qm9VVFi+/r3MEzB8dHmVu61C2r0dODVDc7AbV/t8R47etXL 0C028vRu7NVu7b0FqDysv3CMQLfixv1yP9I1S3i5bTDu4FQt7vJXQtjomGy4cythmv4a 0/6W0hmwNb00p8Sia1nGZyJhxptUR7e66wo9k= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ACY3pPN4uFPpFonoORdm75Ppu6aoePhKzVWIOsponBo=; b=Cs+93nKdqHZh+ptwqVqhALeA9RZ/UOIcZgN6KVEqwbx3iSIFY7ByAkZGrZP8TwPfT7 WkZqOKggi40+ZXcJWv36U6VRzMhM8ljbaqOxwr1BXxTmAdXIJ9TdMZChcwnVzGmP4Ev3 CHhijTbm5iwZZbVKbLVgBu7Iiwn0+v69wF+CzJgCcH7VqktO6Kb1SSGes6U42i/0JJzx PbnACnH2+Q/caHfTe2jJOV+/mTI3NZVs1zx7okR3F94aW4+lmfqJbxEL2gv9b03+v+/W sFtOf7afPKUamsoGBLw5VYyutPUh3Rdrm0czT2xWuPxMGG8QhytYVGtrFZFZ6/T2x61z 3vAA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn6GBj8uHTpfhrKsnRro9de6lFHb9X3PCp8hJ99UMMO24QPaci7ZsvxkDXhTrtpy9qEWzte MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.28.134 with SMTP id b6mr13106169lah.12.1413383163549; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.161.167 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:26:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:26:03 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB From: Reuben Thomas To: Stefan Monnier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0160a63865458d050576e94c X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas Schwab X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --089e0160a63865458d050576e94c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 15 October 2014 15:21, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> Is COPYING.LIB a file that contains the LGPL license? > >> Why name it so weirdly? > > L used to stand for Library. > > Doesn't explain the need for an extension. This isn't really the forum for discussing the naming of a GNU license file. dired-omit-mode deals sub-optimally with this particular name, and even if the standard name were changed tomorrow, it would continue to occur in the wild for years; so the real issue is: does it matter enough to fix Emacs's treatment of it? -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --089e0160a63865458d050576e94c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 1= 5 October 2014 15:21, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca&= gt; wrote:
>&g= t; Is COPYING.LIB a file that contains the LGPL license?
>> Why name it so weirdly?
> L used to stand for Library.

Doesn't explain the need for an extension.

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This isn't really the forum for discussing the naming of a G= NU license file. dired-omit-mode deals sub-optimally with this particular n= ame, and even if the standard name were changed tomorrow, it would continue= to occur in the wild for years; so the real issue is: does it matter enoug= h to fix Emacs's treatment of it?


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--089e0160a63865458d050576e94c-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 15 10:26:20 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2014 14:26:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44569 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XePWt-0004y0-J1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:26:20 -0400 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:34895 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XePWq-0004xq-Ke for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:26:17 -0400 Received: from relay2.suse.de (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96425AB07; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:26:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas Schwab To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> X-Yow: .. I'm IMAGINING a sensuous GIRAFFE, CAVORTING in the BACK ROOM of a KOSHER DELI -- Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:26:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:21:32 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Reuben Thomas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Stefan Monnier writes: >>> Is COPYING.LIB a file that contains the LGPL license? >>> Why name it so weirdly? >> L used to stand for Library. > > Doesn't explain the need for an extension. How else would you distinguish it from the GPL? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 15 10:27:11 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2014 14:27:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44574 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XePXj-0004zo-EQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:27:11 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]:40163) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XePXh-0004zg-M9 for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:27:10 -0400 Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id hs14so1160486lab.17 for <18716@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:27:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TJa5NMBRBLjoH/43ckNDHrKmKiKDzMZ9KJr8tA2CFLg=; b=oJq0TE8epTQrCeIfCQTo4DEQ4uNvfuaaxUvotWIDaE0Q1KzHf2o/fE+nlxm456r/gl Fvj9BkUkpUg3FL5DPds9WdjnN5CsYOPIBsgE9A3p1jAJwcsO31PojOoxQPVuVXVHSooT iN6Z7nlKqLzs5pPyfLham47js9nVfh0+huFrg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=TJa5NMBRBLjoH/43ckNDHrKmKiKDzMZ9KJr8tA2CFLg=; b=Ltkn52SJf67BxVTF3UAqxoQ+l3J9qPSme5kOVQU3nHjeUQrmKd9AITWofwC0FQJ3IS nIHno55fc+CvgQabepNtQXw4hMbZeQ51ttmQJM2kOOk1Gdrc4WnR7QmICl35PqyuCl+x JQKYVTHIpIkpjFvkICxvFALU/nRQJ/P5Q7IpQHg2vVY4DiBFrHC635ZqCEFJaxi+ZBid qJ9tjW7yG4C47HXQv5xIh+PJXzmd5RXJp5GDvjuQE92QHtI1ZkwGEkH5jqwG8mEyF7E/ 6Om9EZ/O2EtXE7HJcaeOQbumC0FpqV6cPomtmdfcCVW9uRqG6IUPT1UkIUvpce4p3beX 948Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl6+tFRjSFD5DPj8d7/uUMP6Gm2rPAO0V6cyfe67kJVHul6n7Fu12Jncei5iM5wB36IXIXh MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.157.225 with SMTP id wp1mr12575924lbb.55.1413383228644; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.161.167 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:27:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:27:08 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB From: Reuben Thomas To: Stefan Monnier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c344a0468d47050576ed1a X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas Schwab X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a11c344a0468d47050576ed1a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 15 October 2014 15:26, Reuben Thomas wrote: > > so the real issue is > Sorry, should've said "the issue at hand". The naming issue may well be the more important one outside the context of Emacs development. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --001a11c344a0468d47050576ed1a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 1= 5 October 2014 15:26, Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org> wrote:

=C2=A0so= the real issue is

Sorry, should've said "the issue at hand". = The naming issue may well be the more important one outside the context of = Emacs development.

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http://rrt.sc3d.org --001a11c344a0468d47050576ed1a-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 15 13:57:06 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2014 17:57:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44709 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeSos-0004jj-Fb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:57:06 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:2636) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeSoq-0004jb-Hy for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:57:05 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIImAQEEViMQCzQSFBgNJIgM0hkXjnoHhDgEqRmBaoNMIQ X-IPAS-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIImAQEEViMQCzQSFBgNJIgM0hkXjnoHhDgEqRmBaoNMIQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="94282381" Received: from 69-196-168-232.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.168.232]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 15 Oct 2014 13:57:03 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6990C7CFB; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:57:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB Message-ID: References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:57:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:26:15 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Reuben Thomas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) >>>> Is COPYING.LIB a file that contains the LGPL license? >>>> Why name it so weirdly? >>> L used to stand for Library. >> Doesn't explain the need for an extension. > How else would you distinguish it from the GPL? How 'bout: you look inside the file? I think "COPYING" should not be synonymous with "GPL". It should just mean "this is the file that contains the terms under which copying (and related activities) can take place". So it can contain the GPLv2, the GPLv3, the LGPL, or whatever else applies to your software (tho I prefer if you stick to one of those ;-). Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 15 13:59:08 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2014 17:59:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44713 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeSqp-0004nR-UE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:59:08 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:29184) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeSqn-0004nH-UV for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:59:06 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiAQI0hkXjnoHhDgEqRmBaoNMIQ X-IPAS-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiAQI0hkXjnoHhDgEqRmBaoNMIQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="94282539" Received: from 69-196-168-232.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.168.232]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 15 Oct 2014 13:59:05 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 0BC9C7CFB; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:59:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB Message-ID: References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:59:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:26:03 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas Schwab X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > This isn't really the forum for discussing the naming of a GNU license > file. dired-omit-mode deals sub-optimally with this particular name, and > even if the standard name were changed tomorrow, it would continue to occur > in the wild for years; so the real issue is: does it matter enough to fix > Emacs's treatment of it? I think the problem is in the naming of the file, rather than in Emacs's treatment of files that end in ".LIB". We could add a special ad-hoc rule for files called COPYING.LIB, but I'd rather we fix the original problem instead. "For years" is actually not that long ;-) Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 15 15:05:27 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2014 19:05:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44789 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeTt0-0006Ya-BE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:05:27 -0400 Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com ([209.85.217.174]:37997) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeTsw-0006YQ-QX for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:05:24 -0400 Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id p9so1584113lbv.19 for <18716@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:05:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=C0Ps/dNz6lYufhY6FEfChJ99knv2nsdZMLHYcGu2zGo=; b=fifEJ1UZrW9+CWFFCHY4y3kMJhUXM06DwvwQJOCkYvO8hssEJlfDEs1hqPeqZRrccx IKOsez01qhE+sFdft8A3HdRe1gYtA46JUPzgF9KM8OxAbHfb8v1/dhBUjfX36bQE5WOs sIcqk8QJVgwxYCF6azHk+2QmBjPktVUqHR+0E= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=C0Ps/dNz6lYufhY6FEfChJ99knv2nsdZMLHYcGu2zGo=; b=ace9z5d6xGtxSCU21sW4X+Jm64tfjRO0NT9xPSU2bCiG5scJsmPoEC0M22Dfr3MYVv mBSFL/VqEf0S+mFS+xA3Ukh+UDp7fiGxEcK/KHNDSNyNCpm9bcmods9ZJKxOEneX4Sxa nO1ACHlXIzCxrDfpItabiqu+gTVWpbt78X/b66Kp8grzNek99DdGaJ7CQbYNEGsFNGPC EWi92WOabT/PIiKl3m149aDzbQwVZRg2MNrBlnqM836Ra1jBUxV72SeXQP83jNA240YJ aA2Qhjjsv09LASDnVYslA1jFho2DQLTfocMzzGOYucgMTqMWntrhOnniEIOM5/JtBUOR MGbw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlmDTULKsey4vvi2EGGUjOIjgGjUetaFBkoDKpkwb+v4aHRjMfEmRAyX3lCgbP6tys3oF+5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.153.11.133 with SMTP id ei5mr14436870lad.75.1413399921359; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.161.167 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:05:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:05:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB From: Reuben Thomas To: Stefan Monnier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113471203d127605057ad066 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas Schwab X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a113471203d127605057ad066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 15 October 2014 18:59, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > This isn't really the forum for discussing the naming of a GNU license > > file. dired-omit-mode deals sub-optimally with this particular name, and > > even if the standard name were changed tomorrow, it would continue to > occur > > in the wild for years; so the real issue is: does it matter enough to fix > > Emacs's treatment of it? > > I think the problem is in the naming of the file, rather than in Emacs's > treatment of files that end in ".LIB". > Although no-one has yet answered my question why Emacs takes these patterns to be case-insensitive even on case-sensitive filing systems. > We could add a special ad-hoc rule for files called COPYING.LIB, but I'd > rather we fix the original problem instead. > "For years" is actually not that long ;-) > My repeated experience over the decades is that absent considerable effort, "for years" rapidly becomes "for decades". Given that we're dealing not just with future but also with past software releases in this case, I'm not optimistic. Nor however do I suggest adding special ad-hoc rules if it's possible to avoid them, hence my question about case. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --001a113471203d127605057ad066 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 1= 5 October 2014 18:59, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca&= gt; wrote:
> T= his isn't really the forum for discussing the naming of a GNU license > file. dired-omit-mode deals sub-optimally with this particular name, a= nd
> even if the standard name were changed tomorrow, it would continue to = occur
> in the wild for years; so the real issue is: does it matter enough to = fix
> Emacs's treatment of it?

I think the problem is in the naming of the file, rather than in Ema= cs's
treatment of files that end in ".LIB".

<= /div>
Although no-one has yet answered my question why Emacs takes thes= e patterns to be case-insensitive even on case-sensitive filing systems.
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We could add a special ad-hoc rule for files called COPYING.LIB, but I'= d
rather we fix the original problem instead.
"For years" is actually not that long ;-)

My repeated experience over the decades is that absent considera= ble effort, "for years" rapidly becomes "for decades". = Given that we're dealing not just with future but also with past softwa= re releases in this case, I'm not optimistic.

Nor however do I suggest adding special ad-hoc rules if it= 's possible to avoid them, hence my question about case.

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--001a113471203d127605057ad066-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 15 16:57:17 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2014 20:57:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44883 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeVdF-0002J3-2i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:57:17 -0400 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:42686 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeVdC-0002Ir-G7 for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:57:15 -0400 Received: from relay1.suse.de (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DAAAB07; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:57:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas Schwab To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> X-Yow: I'm RELIGIOUS!! I love a man with a HAIRPIECE!! Equip me with MISSILES!! Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:57:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:57:03 -0400") Message-ID: <87siip8313.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.94 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Reuben Thomas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Stefan Monnier writes: > I think "COPYING" should not be synonymous with "GPL". It should just > mean "this is the file that contains the terms under which copying (and > related activities) can take place". So it can contain the GPLv2, the > GPLv3, the LGPL, or whatever else applies to your software (tho I prefer > if you stick to one of those ;-). That doesn't work. You cannot have two files with the same name. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 15 18:42:10 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2014 22:42:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44953 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeXGj-00053s-Gv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:42:09 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:63055) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeXGh-00053k-IP for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:42:08 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiAQI0hkXjnoHhDgEqRmBaoNMIQ X-IPAS-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiAQI0hkXjnoHhDgEqRmBaoNMIQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="94303467" Received: from 69-196-168-232.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.168.232]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 15 Oct 2014 18:42:06 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 763FA7CFB; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:42:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB Message-ID: References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:42:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:05:21 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas Schwab X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > Although no-one has yet answered my question why Emacs takes these patterns > to be case-insensitive even on case-sensitive filing systems. I don't actually know. Maybe because the existence of case-insensitive filesystems cause the existence of files with "weird" extensions like ".JPG" and it's easier to just say "match case-insensitively" than to handle the known cases where case is sometimes "messed up". At least, that's the reason for the existence of auto-mode-case-fold. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 15 18:44:08 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2014 22:44:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44957 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeXIe-000579-7b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:44:08 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:14841) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeXIb-000571-SS for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:44:06 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMQCzQSFBgNJIgECNIZF456B4Q4BKkZgWqDTCE X-IPAS-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMQCzQSFBgNJIgECNIZF456B4Q4BKkZgWqDTCE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="94303541" Received: from 69-196-168-232.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.168.232]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 15 Oct 2014 18:44:05 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 0FB397CFB; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:44:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB Message-ID: References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> <87siip8313.fsf@igel.home> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:44:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87siip8313.fsf@igel.home> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:57:12 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Reuben Thomas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) >> I think "COPYING" should not be synonymous with "GPL". It should just >> mean "this is the file that contains the terms under which copying (and >> related activities) can take place". So it can contain the GPLv2, the >> GPLv3, the LGPL, or whatever else applies to your software (tho I prefer >> if you stick to one of those ;-). > That doesn't work. You cannot have two files with the same name. If your package is distributed under 2 different licenses, then you'll either have to put both licenses in the same file or use two different file names, but I see no reason why those two file names have to be "COPYING" and "COPYING.LIB". Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 15 18:54:29 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2014 22:54:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44968 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeXSf-0005Nk-CF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:54:29 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:42084) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeXSc-0005Nb-Ne for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:54:27 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XeXSb-0002cl-H6; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:54:25 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> <87siip8313.fsf@igel.home> X-Spook: BLU-97 A/B FSF cypherpunk USDOJ LLNL Fortezza Ceridian X-Ran: 6iUE$_Tmq9Lc+VEUUoK\$&[ypo!]fk|f`^lZXITbWc&cUxq'8^!uxmcr#rwt("OKkkBF"h X-Hue: red X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:54:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:44:04 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas Schwab , Reuben Thomas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Stefan Monnier wrote: > If your package is distributed under 2 different licenses, then you'll > either have to put both licenses in the same file or use two different > file names, but I see no reason why those two file names have to be > "COPYING" and "COPYING.LIB". You are arguing with the GNU coding standards, all hope is lost! ;) http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/Releases.html The GNU GPL, if used, should be in a file called COPYING. If the GNU LGPL is used, it should be in a file called COPYING.LESSER. BTW, guess what they used to say instead of COPYING.LESSER... http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/gnustandards/standards.texi?root=gnustandards&r1=1.185&r2=1.186 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 15 19:00:48 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2014 23:00:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44972 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeXYl-0005YY-A9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:00:47 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f51.google.com ([209.85.215.51]:42291) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeXYi-0005YN-E9 for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:00:45 -0400 Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ge10so1922491lab.24 for <18716@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:00:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vgV7t6eA1WjNXREZEwba6HD5jZ8LbY3/5C2ImIjeE6I=; b=uwjU3N5JfWbVjBg8svyudR8KmAcDaVFC2LyCQSuM05/rduteYNVh06S4Bhk8js6F0Y ptrc02EDXZhYKyNKZIogGNbzJA5cvuyhHGB7VBqmhL8TMV14LATxJ3KEpmklUp5CIr/g kboEJDRxr8v9t959V6OhHj9YPNrnNzRzrP0kM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=vgV7t6eA1WjNXREZEwba6HD5jZ8LbY3/5C2ImIjeE6I=; b=O6IbLSlbrhwDO5CmztCz+hxFFkoFg360o/vsgOrPdy0544YmBn45tlH3x3pwT9dc+J Qjz6VOTG+iKNrPp+sgDU9Q3v/cqGQ5iWwTDLcBoC70bKTd5748rdy5yryCAS4f8bfxSb cpp1YDnUDsP8inkjsYuw4pDZIkDhtvVc2GCieyx8fZVVYcOcUfYcywVyErjDcivy2O2C s//Cki8eqJYD0n1tBhBxQTpY3ehnh9V1uL1zmmiImTBzWOzkhP2NpjLEnKyMYOuhHCbM BaVujvjkwbEPvhuTRRzsGXbvICBIETDb6HUbEdqjawF/vziQiJN+wcg/gkcOMrY4bYw2 9S2Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmi60jqB6rwMIxmZ/BEc6f5gxPLGohASjVbVYsvVUr1JGEybssxx8vR6kfhbiRINSEcG2C0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.153.11.6 with SMTP id ee6mr15626945lad.22.1413414043081; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.161.167 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:00:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:00:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB From: Reuben Thomas To: Stefan Monnier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1135e6fef5758205057e19ba X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas Schwab X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a1135e6fef5758205057e19ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 15 October 2014 23:42, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Although no-one has yet answered my question why Emacs takes these > patterns > > to be case-insensitive even on case-sensitive filing systems. > > I don't actually know. > > Maybe because the existence of case-insensitive filesystems cause the > existence of files with "weird" extensions like ".JPG" and it's easier > to just say "match case-insensitively" than to handle the known cases > where case is sometimes "messed up". > > At least, that's the reason for the existence of auto-mode-case-fold. > Maybe this is a good place to start, then? Wouldn't the user prefer to know about oddly-named files on a case-sensitive file system, rather than have them automagically hidden? How about (at least optionally) matching case-sensitively? That would solve the COPYING.LIB problem too. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --001a1135e6fef5758205057e19ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 1= 5 October 2014 23:42, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca&= gt; wrote:
> A= lthough no-one has yet answered my question why Emacs takes these patterns<= br> > to be case-insensitive even on case-sensitive filing systems.

I don't actually know.

Maybe because the existence of case-insensitive filesystems cause the
existence of files with "weird" extensions like ".JPG" = and it's easier
to just say "match case-insensitively" than to handle the known c= ases
where case is sometimes "messed up".

At least, that's the reason for the existence of auto-mode-case-fold.

Maybe this is a good place to start, the= n? Wouldn't the user prefer to know about oddly-named files on a case-s= ensitive file system, rather than have them automagically hidden? How about= (at least optionally) matching case-sensitively? That would solve the COPY= ING.LIB problem too.

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--001a1135e6fef5758205057e19ba-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 15 22:01:25 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2014 02:01:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45021 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeaNY-0002xC-0R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:01:24 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:45476) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XeaNW-0002x5-1E for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:01:22 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XeaNU-0005E9-B3; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:01:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:01:20 -0400 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Stefan Monnier In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Tue, 14 Oct 2014 19:41:30 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, rrt@sc3d.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Is COPYING.LIB a file that contains the LGPL license? Why name it so weirdly? It's the convention I set up 25 years ago -- like COPYING, but it's for libraries. That was when "LGPL" meant "GNU Library General Public License". Perhaps it should be COPYING.LESSER. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 15 23:06:09 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2014 03:06:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45044 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XebOC-0004bz-Gm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:06:08 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:37228) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XebOA-0004bp-Sm for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:06:07 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiAQI0hkXjnoHhDgEqRmBaoNMIQ X-IPAS-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiAQI0hkXjnoHhDgEqRmBaoNMIQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="94313926" Received: from 69-196-168-232.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.168.232]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 15 Oct 2014 23:06:06 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id E58687CFF; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:06:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB Message-ID: References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> <87siip8313.fsf@igel.home> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:06:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:54:25 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas Schwab , Reuben Thomas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > LGPL is used, it should be in a file called COPYING.LESSER. Duh! ".LESSER" is also a completely silly extension. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 15 23:09:52 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2014 03:09:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45048 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XebRo-0004hd-EO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:09:52 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:50375) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XebRm-0004hV-AF for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:09:50 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuYGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSrw0hAmBFxd0giUBAQEBAgFWIwULCw4mEhQYDSSIBAjSGReOegeEOAEDqRmBaoNMIQ X-IPAS-Result: AuYGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSrw0hAmBFxd0giUBAQEBAgFWIwULCw4mEhQYDSSIBAjSGReOegeEOAEDqRmBaoNMIQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="94314043" Received: from 69-196-168-232.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.168.232]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 15 Oct 2014 23:09:49 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id B7C627CFF; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:09:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB Message-ID: References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:09:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:01:20 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, rrt@sc3d.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > Perhaps it should be COPYING.LESSER. Why? If your software uses the LGPL, surely the file that holds the copying rules should be called "COPYING" or "LICENSE" but not some name with a funny ".LESSER" extension (which luckily corresponds to no known format yet). IF you want a different name depending on which license is in use, it seems that "GPL-LICENSE" and "LGPL-LICENSE" would be better choices. Of course, I'd also argue in favor of a proper extension (e.g. ".txt") and against the use of allcaps. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 15 23:10:42 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2014 03:10:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45052 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XebSb-0004jC-SA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:10:42 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:13843) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XebSX-0004j2-Vp for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:10:38 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiAQI0hkXjnoHhDgEqRmBaoNMIQ X-IPAS-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiAQI0hkXjnoHhDgEqRmBaoNMIQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="94314063" Received: from 69-196-168-232.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.168.232]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 15 Oct 2014 23:10:37 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 49B177CFF; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:10:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB Message-ID: References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:10:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:00:43 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas Schwab X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > them automagically hidden? How about (at least optionally) matching > case-sensitively? Fine by me. It could even just reuse the existing auto-mode-case-fold. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 16 03:13:47 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2014 07:13:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45174 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XefFr-0002lK-6G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 03:13:47 -0400 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:47563 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XefFo-0002lB-Bz for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 03:13:45 -0400 Received: from relay2.suse.de (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BED8ABCC; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 07:13:43 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas Schwab To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> <87siip8313.fsf@igel.home> X-Yow: I feel partially hydrogenated! Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:13:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:06:05 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Glenn Morris , Reuben Thomas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Stefan Monnier writes: >> LGPL is used, it should be in a file called COPYING.LESSER. > > Duh! ".LESSER" is also a completely silly extension. It's a name, not an extension. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 16 09:15:45 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2014 13:15:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45387 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xeku8-0004zX-W4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:15:45 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:25202) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xeku6-0004zL-Qm for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:15:43 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArYGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSr0vgw6BFxd0giUBAQEBAgFWIxALNBIUGA0kiAQI0hkXjnoHhDgBA6kZgWqDTCE X-IPAS-Result: ArYGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSr0vgw6BFxd0giUBAQEBAgFWIxALNBIUGA0kiAQI0hkXjnoHhDgBA6kZgWqDTCE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="94344790" Received: from 69-196-168-232.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.168.232]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 16 Oct 2014 09:15:42 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 1CDB385A2; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:15:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB Message-ID: References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> <87siip8313.fsf@igel.home> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:15:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:13:42 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Glenn Morris , Reuben Thomas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) >>> LGPL is used, it should be in a file called COPYING.LESSER. >> Duh! ".LESSER" is also a completely silly extension. > It's a name, not an extension. Hmm... let's see M-: (file-name-extension "COPYING.LESSER") RET => "LESSER" Nope, sorry. And in case you'd argue that Elisp is biased in my favor: Python 2.7.7 (default, Jun 3 2014, 23:36:29) [GCC 4.8.2] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import os >>> fileName, fileExtension = os.path.splitext('COPYING.LESSER') >>> fileExtension '.LESSER' >>> It looks like an extension to me, to Elisp, and to Python. Feel free to check with other tools. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 16 14:14:20 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2014 18:14:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46176 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XepZ6-0006sH-EG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:14:20 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:35972) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XepZ4-0006s8-Sp for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:14:19 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XepZ4-00033l-3J; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:14:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:14:18 -0400 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Stefan Monnier In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:09:49 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, rrt@sc3d.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Perhaps it should be COPYING.LESSER. Why? It is a consistent series of names. COPYING - GNU GPL COPYING.LESSER - GNU Lesser GPL We traditionally use names in all caps for files of basic information that accompany programs. This custom started with README and TODO. COPYING-LESSER would be just as good as COPYING.LESSER. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 16 16:17:35 2014 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2014 20:17:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46239 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XerUN-0001ft-4W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:17:35 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:55879) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XerUC-0001fb-TH for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:17:33 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArYGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA1CIEXF3SCJQEBAQECAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgECNIZF456B4Q4AQOpGYFqg0wh X-IPAS-Result: ArYGAIDvNVNFxKjo/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA1CIEXF3SCJQEBAQECAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgECNIZF456B4Q4AQOpGYFqg0wh X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="94382183" Received: from 69-196-168-232.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.168.232]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 16 Oct 2014 16:17:24 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 4501185A2; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:17:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#18716: 24.3; dired-omit-extensions's default value omits COPYING.LIB Message-ID: References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:17:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:14:18 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, rrt@sc3d.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > COPYING-LESSER would be just as good as COPYING.LESSER. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ better -- Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 08 12:51:37 2016 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2016 17:51:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49906 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4AYb-00062H-3x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2016 12:51:37 -0500 Received: from mail-lf0-f52.google.com ([209.85.215.52]:36349) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4AYX-000623-Ri for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2016 12:51:35 -0500 Received: by mail-lf0-f52.google.com with SMTP id t196so145965490lff.3 for <18716@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 08 Nov 2016 09:51:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=5X5iW3yTD7dgct23OaepOJlGbyjw5BKz2N788N2Lpyg=; b=Py4fRdxH55vSHXIrpvToNCumRJtOJXUvah7JwZKdgjGy7oap1Tvyx+vHOjfKLwJDTn 1QEf8RIer/SM0c71mJ4y5CtcRJ9ip71Jr+nBRg3Tp1a/pNvX9oYmRomQtgry58cgE9rs PYFtVhPtnP4OmnAdM4bsYqMQNb2mqG6qYc5dQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=5X5iW3yTD7dgct23OaepOJlGbyjw5BKz2N788N2Lpyg=; b=LsI56tN7omEHpwBMLIX8pt5Mvh+A0aiwPynLYJ7780rN2LkXXla5YFk4s6UqpzeK+Z a1N3QwjInPli2N4z/BhDpJ+Xq5K6sB20iwOD4j/qkGq0QimUMDW0xeWVDcLfeBoBSD9g o2ohucr1S9shxEersZKoVYRUCEiXsHdhROf3+61LuT7zquxWk4kgxKisWCHnxLove14O UPYQRArpY0sWS3ZxUJ4XRj+oOrXHYKrg7d9oFnl653XRXsT7yGfxC8Y0UE1/wwOLyQlK rUwrDlXNsInRRFmaJhEBavV9WNg4n5MBfwwAk33crIITx+6dWx33vt+CAvejyuU4rPx2 SKGQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngveAvY3ixWkBTYubrNOxRpQ+sPpmfh3IlCPBlYKlw9pdYDUu+6XkBtH31NFD+wpaZvaQ1Vl0TCpx1+sKEaUU X-Received: by 10.25.139.195 with SMTP id n186mr7824745lfd.27.1478627487684; Tue, 08 Nov 2016 09:51:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.212.211 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Nov 2016 09:51:26 -0800 (PST) From: Reuben Thomas Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 17:51:26 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Patch for this bug To: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=001a113ebaa628d0610540cdca67 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) --001a113ebaa628d0610540cdca67 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ebaa628d05b0540cdca65 --001a113ebaa628d05b0540cdca65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I attach a patch for this bug. It makes dired-mark-unmarked-files act case-insensitively. This seems reasonable, as there's nothing to suggest it does otherwise. Also, it is better than Stefan's suggestion to use auto-mode-case-fold, as when visiting files, the user will quickly see if a file has been e.g. visited in the wrong major mode owing to an uppercase filename being treated as a lowercase one; whereas in dired-omit-mode, files can be hidden counter to the user's expectation, as happened to me with COPYING.LIB, yet it is not obvious (because the file is hidden!). Is this OK to install? -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --001a113ebaa628d05b0540cdca65 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I a= ttach a patch for this bug.

It makes dired-mark-unmarked-files act case-insensitively. This seems re= asonable, as there's nothing to suggest it does otherwise.

Also, it is better than Stefan's = suggestion to use auto-mode-case-fold, as when visiting files, the user wil= l quickly see if a file has been e.g. visited in the wrong major mode owing= to an uppercase filename being treated as a lowercase one; whereas in dire= d-omit-mode, files can be hidden counter to the user's expectation, as = happened to me with COPYING.LIB, yet it is not obvious (because the file is= hidden!).

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Is this OK to = install?

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You meant case-sensitively, I presume. > Also, it is better than Stefan's suggestion to use auto-mode-case-fold, as when visiting files, the user will > quickly see if a file has been e.g. visited in the wrong major mode owing to an uppercase filename being > treated as a lowercase one; whereas in dired-omit-mode, files can be hidden counter to the user's > expectation, as happened to me with COPYING.LIB, yet it is not obvious (because the file is hidden!). I don't understand what happened to the comment about *.JPG files on case-sensitive filesystems, and how does this patch do TRT on case-insensitive filesystems. IOW, it sounds like the right solution cannot be so simple, because this will most probably cause user complaints of the opposite kind. No? Btw, if the problem is only with COPYING.LIB, maybe a better heuristics would be to remove .lib from completion-ignored-extensions, as it is no longer so widespread where Emacs users dwell? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 08 17:16:54 2016 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2016 22:16:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50102 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4EhK-0005jY-8S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2016 17:16:54 -0500 Received: from mail-lf0-f54.google.com ([209.85.215.54]:34412) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4EhI-0005jK-1v for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2016 17:16:52 -0500 Received: by mail-lf0-f54.google.com with SMTP id o141so78544001lff.1 for <18716@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 08 Nov 2016 14:16:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=mPBekMRZWEPc75vG9jr1DSE6IKOtcq7VC+1ZGqFdkkw=; b=ZYU3gBR1G3Qj6bBe47dXfAe7/AOgM6BCJ89sqFzfg8UBOvfh4rGqQ+FQ982iGmLC4h hM3kYfLQxYCwy+5rDmzjJvicewrlkSMv9i5WoDPrzYOLQMS6BzGLHVg5vVXDN3b0exFy w0v8wW+6kGGPlcBS1HZrE2c4l+Q2MBU/P4OVM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mPBekMRZWEPc75vG9jr1DSE6IKOtcq7VC+1ZGqFdkkw=; b=NAxQe1En4WbnHFxUQUcJDs9jlJ2edInJqUlFODE+jhAIDWl8uK+PyGKevUWs2OmZ+R s+tcRT4vqHSf9bcRrrlVHinR/hUJYD0sooJe7N4sKACf3ZfpN7nhQtF2cDR9bGF0eJat tbldt4/iHc16OvJleiuNucUkCvxksrCfBVuT4k6Jys2j/fIWWC38SBZ7MZ7f3NlBzXVt iEPDuwXklIF/JA4XTEKoknJ1HL8+2Ajau/b7Us5kz8MXtR7megAZyKX37GLx8IoMPd4C Bst4kwe6ZsgiM0EoipjzIDyRnGv3UKpBedTOW0C75+Gr6/wolS/QBzPZxlsazYLTqiza ap0Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvcoP5ZCdVKYA4ZhnKb8xFXbJX56fRSbBvYYGr0xVeUng9xNNsZG0f1cJeyn7CskEeCn5H569t5MRaOvrZ6M X-Received: by 10.25.135.130 with SMTP id j124mr8964347lfd.88.1478643406081; Tue, 08 Nov 2016 14:16:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.212.211 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Nov 2016 14:16:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83a8d9hh62.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> <83a8d9hh62.fsf@gnu.org> From: Reuben Thomas Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 22:16:45 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#18716: Patch for this bug To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=001a113fbc44f84ffd0540d17e55 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) --001a113fbc44f84ffd0540d17e55 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113fbc44f84ff70540d17e53 --001a113fbc44f84ff70540d17e53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 8 November 2016 at 20:04, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Reuben Thomas > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 17:51:26 +0000 > > > > It makes dired-mark-unmarked-files act case-insensitively. > > You meant case-sensitively, I presume. > =E2=80=8BThat's right, sorry.=E2=80=8B Fixed. I don't understand what happened to the comment about *.JPG files on > case-sensitive filesystems, I took it into account. My experience is that on a case-insensitive system (e.g. a GNU system), one finds occasional files like this, typically copied from other systems or extracted from archives. These are not a problem for dired-omit-mode. For visiting such files, treating auto-mode-alist and similar case-insensitively is no problem. > and how does this patch do TRT on > case-insensitive filesystems. > It doesn't, I've fixed it in the same way as the usage of auto-mode-alist, by testing the system type. > IOW, it sounds like the right solution cannot be so simple, because > this will most probably cause user complaints of the opposite kind. > No?=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BSee above. The only people I can see complaining are users of case-insensitive file systems on case-sensitive systems. The correct fix there is in any case to use the case-sensitivity of the file system, rather than using the operating system as an indicator of that. (The same applies to auto-mode-alist.) Btw, if the problem is only with COPYING.LIB, maybe a better > heuristics would be to remove .lib from completion-ignored-extensions, > as it is no longer so widespread where Emacs users dwell? > =E2=80=8BI don't think special cases are a good idea. There are other examp= les, e.g. CVS is a pattern, which will also match "cvs", which I have in e.g. wiki CVS repositories. =E2=80=8BI also added a couple of additional patches to tidy up obsolete documentation, comments and code from dired-x.el.=E2=80=8B --=20 http://rrt.sc3d.org --001a113fbc44f84ff70540d17e53 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On = 8 November 2016 at 20:04, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
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> From: Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org>
> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 17:51:26 +0000
>
> It makes dired-mark-unmarked-files act case-insensitively.

You meant case-sensitively, I presume.

=
=E2=80=8BThat's = right, sorry.=E2=80=8B Fixed.

I don't understand what happened to the comment about *.J= PG files on
case-sensitive filesystems,

I took it into account. My experien= ce is that on a case-insensitive system (e.g. a GNU system), one finds occa= sional files like this, typically copied from other systems or extracted fr= om archives. These are not a problem for dired-omit-mode. For visiting such= files, treating auto-mode-alist and similar case-insensitively is no probl= em.
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and how doe= s this patch do TRT on
case-insensitive filesystems.

It doesn't, I've fixe= d it in the same way as the usage of auto-mode-alist, by testing the system= type.
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IOW, it = sounds like the right solution cannot be so simple, because
this will most probably cause user complaints of the opposite kind.
No?=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
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=E2=80=8BSee above. The only people I c= an see complaining are users of case-insensitive file systems on case-sensi= tive systems. The correct fix there is in any case to use the case-sensitiv= ity of the file system, rather than using the operating system as an indica= tor of that. (The same applies to auto-mode-alist.)

Btw, if the problem is only with COPYING.= LIB, maybe a better
heuristics would be to remove .lib from completion-ignored-extensions,
as it is no longer so widespread where Emacs users dwell?

=E2=80=8BI don't think special cases are a good idea. There are othe= r examples, e.g. CVS is a pattern, which will also match "cvs", w= hich I have in e.g. wiki CVS repositories.

=E2=80=8BI also added a cou= ple of additional patches to tidy up obsolete documentation, comments and c= ode from dired-x.el.=E2=80=8B

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Wed, 09 Nov 2016 14:36:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 21:36:14 +0200 Message-Id: <83lgwsfntd.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Reuben Thomas In-reply-to: (message from Reuben Thomas on Tue, 8 Nov 2016 22:16:45 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#18716: Patch for this bug References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> <83a8d9hh62.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -7.9 (-------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -7.9 (-------) > From: Reuben Thomas > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 22:16:45 +0000 > Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org > > I don't understand what happened to the comment about *.JPG files on > case-sensitive filesystems, > > I took it into account. My experience is that on a case-insensitive system (e.g. a GNU system), one finds > occasional files like this, typically copied from other systems or extracted from archives. These are not a > problem for dired-omit-mode. For visiting such files, treating auto-mode-alist and similar case-insensitively is > no problem. Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "these are not a problem". With your change, *.JPG files will no longer be treated like *.jpg on Posix systems. Won't people who want *.JPG hidden complain? IOW, isn't this change backward-incompatible? > + (case-fold-search (memq system-type '(windows-nt cygwin)))) The list should include ms-dos as well. > * lisp/dired-x.el (Commentary): Remove USAGE section explaining how to > use dired-x from .emacs. It is now fully customizable. > * lisp/dired-x.el (dired-guess-shell-alist-user): Remove explanation of > how to set this custom variable in .emacs. It should be customized. Why remove these comments? The existence of Custom doesn't preclude people from customizations in plain Lisp. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 09 17:00:32 2016 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Nov 2016 22:00:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51348 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4av2-00061r-8M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2016 17:00:32 -0500 Received: from mail-lf0-f54.google.com ([209.85.215.54]:35426) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4auz-00061d-AW for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2016 17:00:29 -0500 Received: by mail-lf0-f54.google.com with SMTP id b14so175024018lfg.2 for <18716@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 09 Nov 2016 14:00:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Y2Ae0W9HXlj8CpyUTR3pWk++EWtvmF39/Ap20PH/WFc=; b=GNb3T5XPGBs9nklf0Y1VWLzR4mb70rS9pGhpRkQ/QMLPqWv71I8Lt/vjhU+gjo2d5T SJjVDOo1FX3ou+gVrkdU/c445fMPsJVwgjc1RbtsBwIsrw8fgblzgGnoaH4B/uniYuIf rL5ExcctfZYxukqt+qNMMEOw3tpOzs5BVixpU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Y2Ae0W9HXlj8CpyUTR3pWk++EWtvmF39/Ap20PH/WFc=; b=RUiPeP49PtZwSFn9c1SrHVtr41OgOAd3PgLEsi/TLmYGXXGl9ScYMr+OnuDl4b9CcH V5ba1iNuICA1PvO9+r0fF7WXAcy5Un7PqymEg1fmCS+0cRetrqRUKRwR7AD+HKEfieV/ lo6DXWBd3RZSruFJv2rGj8pwApTXYG8njRR7qy8+V5Unrzg87ZQlKe8z0W5HXnU/3Iop R+vXqy5gkL4v4NrJbrw0fbiUigWzVEaekSPyXjXRGxdUzjOyJxjA3FBqKRjotECPwNh/ +4nXEYk+xBvu2Hjn/k7i6VOFdD2mUtE5+5ntrWa3ndHMl8ejpjzCJeHKtJKCCbSsWUAQ iqBw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvekfzjIbZ0juIhDTcQSWT/p0hq/ZGAQPQr6rfFvN56RJduv0SfekCI/H8vqMFd8CZe2AAnMNodsaquNhBn2 X-Received: by 10.25.234.145 with SMTP id y17mr989245lfi.25.1478728823030; Wed, 09 Nov 2016 14:00:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.212.211 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Nov 2016 14:00:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83lgwsfntd.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> <83a8d9hh62.fsf@gnu.org> <83lgwsfntd.fsf@gnu.org> From: Reuben Thomas Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:00:22 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#18716: Patch for this bug To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0ecc5e3768340540e5626a X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) --94eb2c0ecc5e3768340540e5626a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 9 November 2016 at 19:36, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Reuben Thomas > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 22:16:45 +0000 > > Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > I don't understand what happened to the comment about *.JPG files on > > case-sensitive filesystems, > > > > I took it into account. My experience is that on a case-insensitive > system (e.g. a GNU system), one finds > > occasional files like this, typically copied from other systems or > extracted from archives. These are not a > > problem for dired-omit-mode. For visiting such files, treating > auto-mode-alist and similar case-insensitively is > > no problem. > > Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "these are not a problem". > With your change, *.JPG files will no longer be treated like *.jpg on > Posix systems. Won't people who want *.JPG hidden complain? IOW, > isn't this change backward-incompatible? > =E2=80=8BI'm confused. I have not changed the behaviour of visiting files. = When I said "treating auto-mode-alist and similar case-insensitively is not a problem", I meant that it is OK that auto-mode-alist is applied case-insensitively. When we talk about *.JPG files, we are not talking about dired-omit-mode, because ".jpg" is not a suffix that would (normally) be omitted.=E2=80=8B What I was trying to explain is that unexpected case-insensitivity in auto-mode-alist is not a problem, because the user immediately sees the effects. On the other hand, in dired-omit-mode it is a problem, because the user might not see the effects (the effects are to hide things). I double-checked, and the code I changed, dired-mark-unmarked-files, is only called by dired-omit. However, it can also be called interactively, so I have certainly changed the interactive behavior. I could add a parameter to dired-mark-unmarked-files, case-fold-p, defaulting to nil, which would be set by its current callers. But I think you are saying that this change to the behavior of dired-omit-mode, which I have suggested does not need a new preference, should indeed have a new preference, so I can add that too. I think, though, that it should default to `t', i.e. dired-omit-mode behaving case-sensitively by default. If you'd say what you consider acceptable, I'll implement it. > > + (case-fold-search (memq system-type '(windows-nt cygwin)))= ) > > The list should include ms-dos as well. > =E2=80=8BOK, I will add a patch for files.el, since I got the list from the= re, where it is used for the same purpose.=E2=80=8B Or perhaps there should be = a global variable defined in files.el containing the list? > * lisp/dired-x.el (Commentary): Remove USAGE section explaining how to > > use dired-x from .emacs. It is now fully customizable. > > * lisp/dired-x.el (dired-guess-shell-alist-user): Remove explanation of > > how to set this custom variable in .emacs. It should be customized. > > Why remove these comments? The existence of Custom doesn't preclude > people from customizations in plain Lisp. > The documentation is a maintenance burden (since it is hand-written and duplicate), few people will read it anyway, and further it is redundant, since it can be customized in plain Lisp in the same way as any other defcustom. (I presume you're not implying that we should add documentation to every Lisp source file to show how to customize each defcustom?) Further, the documentation as it is implies that these variables *should* be customized in plain Lisp, since (unlike most cases), there is explicit documentation about it. --=20 http://rrt.sc3d.org --94eb2c0ecc5e3768340540e5626a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On = 9 November 2016 at 19:36, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
=
> From: Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org>
> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 22:16:45 +0000
> Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org=
>
>=C2=A0 I don't understand what happened to the comment about *.JPG = files on
>=C2=A0 case-sensitive filesystems,
>
> I took it into account. My experience is that on a case-insensitive sy= stem (e.g. a GNU system), one finds
> occasional files like this, typically copied from other systems or ext= racted from archives. These are not a
> problem for dired-omit-mode. For visiting such files, treating auto-mo= de-alist and similar case-insensitively is
> no problem.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "these are not a= problem".
With your change, *.JPG files will no longer be treated like *.jpg on
Posix systems.=C2=A0 Won't people who want *.JPG hidden complain?=C2=A0= IOW,
isn't this change backward-incompatible?

=E2=80=8BI'= ;m confused. I have not changed the behaviour of visiting files. When I sai= d "treating auto-mode-alist and similar case-insensitively is not a pr= oblem", I meant that it is OK that auto-mode-alist is applied case-ins= ensitively.
When we talk = about *.JPG files, we are not talking about dired-omit-mode, because "= .jpg" is not a suffix that would (normally) be omitted.=E2=80=8B
=

What I was trying to explain i= s that unexpected case-insensitivity in auto-mode-alist is not a problem, b= ecause the user immediately sees the effects. On the other hand, in dired-o= mit-mode it is a problem, because the user might not see the effects (the e= ffects are to hide things).

I double-checked, and the code I changed, dired-mark-unmarked-files, is = only called by dired-omit. However, it can also be called interactively, so= I have certainly changed the interactive behavior.

I could add a parameter to dired-mark-unmarked-f= iles, case-fold-p, defaulting to nil, which would be set by its current cal= lers. But I think you are saying that this change to the behavior of dired-= omit-mode, which I have suggested does not need a new preference, should in= deed have a new preference, so I can add that too. I think, though, that it= should default to `t', i.e. dired-omit-mode behaving case-sensitively = by default.
If you'd = say what you consider acceptable, I'll implement it.
=C2=A0
> +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (case-f= old-search (memq system-type '(windows-nt cygwin))))

The list should include ms-dos as well.

=E2=80=8BOK, I will= add a patch for files.el, since I got the list from there, where it is use= d for the same purpose.=E2=80=8B Or perhaps there should be a global variab= le defined in files.el containing the list?

> * lisp/dired-x.el (Commentary): Remove USAGE= section explaining how to
> use dired-x from .emacs.=C2=A0 It is now fully customizable.
> * lisp/dired-x.el (dired-guess-shell-alist-user): Remove explanat= ion of
> how to set this custom variable in .emacs.=C2=A0 It should be customiz= ed.

Why remove these comments?=C2=A0 The existence of Custom doesn't preclu= de
people from customizations in plain Lisp.

The do= cumentation is a maintenance burden (since it is hand-written and duplicate= ), few people will read it anyway, and further it is redundant, since it ca= n be customized in plain Lisp in the same way as any other defcustom. (I pr= esume you're not implying that we should add documentation to every Lis= p source file to show how to customize each defcustom?) Further, the docume= ntation as it is implies that these variables *should* be customized in pla= in Lisp, since (unlike most cases), there is explicit documentation about i= t.

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--94eb2c0ecc5e3768340540e5626a-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 09 17:53:04 2016 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Nov 2016 22:53:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51397 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4bjs-0007Ie-52 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2016 17:53:04 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:20881) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4bjq-0007IA-LY for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2016 17:53:03 -0500 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id uA9Mqt2N010155 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:52:56 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id uA9Mqsni025504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:52:55 GMT Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id uA9Mqqkm010811; Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:52:53 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0fa23374-8ab3-4cf1-af63-437b991d37cf@default> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 14:52:51 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Reuben Thomas , Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#18716: Patch for this bug References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> <83a8d9hh62.fsf@gnu.org> <83lgwsfntd.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -8.1 (--------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.1 (--------) > I double-checked, and the code I changed, dired-mark-unmarked-files, is > only called by dired-omit. However, it can also be called interactively, > so I have certainly changed the interactive behavior. It can also be called from 3rd-party code. (I don't understand the problem you are trying to solve, so I won't try to comment further about the proposed solution.) 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However, it can also be called interactively= , > > so I have certainly changed the interactive behavior. > > It can also be called from 3rd-party code. > =E2=80=8BQuite right, and the suggestion I make retains the same behavior (= as the new argument I suggest is optional and its default value keeps the current behavior). --=20 http://rrt.sc3d.org --001a113fbc449b765b0540e6a2d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On = 9 November 2016 at 22:52, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
=
> I double-checked, and = the code I changed, dired-mark-unmarked-files, is
> only called by dired-omit. However, it can also be called interactivel= y,
> so I have certainly changed the interactive behavior.

It can also be called from 3rd-party code.

=
=E2=80=8BQuite= right, and the suggestion I make retains the same behavior (as the new arg= ument I suggest is optional and its default value keeps the current behavio= r).

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--001a113fbc449b765b0540e6a2d1-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 10 12:39:08 2016 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Nov 2016 17:39:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52575 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4tJb-0002DG-NA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:39:07 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43985) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4tJa-0002Cm-0c for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:39:06 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c4tJQ-0001GI-98 for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:39:00 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:46243) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c4tJQ-0001GD-5m; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:38:56 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4860 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1c4tJP-00047T-Al; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:38:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:38:57 +0200 Message-Id: <83y40rdyku.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Reuben Thomas In-reply-to: (message from Reuben Thomas on Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:00:22 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#18716: Patch for this bug References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> <83a8d9hh62.fsf@gnu.org> <83lgwsfntd.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -7.9 (-------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -7.9 (-------) > From: Reuben Thomas > Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:00:22 +0000 > Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org > > Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "these are not a problem". > With your change, *.JPG files will no longer be treated like *.jpg on > Posix systems. Won't people who want *.JPG hidden complain? IOW, > isn't this change backward-incompatible? > > ​I'm confused. So am I. > I have not changed the behaviour of visiting files. I wasn't talking about visiting files. I was talking about dired-omit-mode and related Dired issues. I'm confused how visiting files entered the scene, and why. > When we talk about *.JPG files, we are not talking about dired-omit-mode, because ".jpg" is not a suffix that > would (normally) be omitted.​ I think it will be, if someone adds it to completion-ignored-extensions, or some other variable used by dired-omit-mode to set up its omitted files. > What I was trying to explain is that unexpected case-insensitivity in auto-mode-alist is not a problem, because > the user immediately sees the effects. On the other hand, in dired-omit-mode it is a problem, because the > user might not see the effects (the effects are to hide things). Yes, I understand. I was asking what do we tell users who have files they want to omit that currently are only matched because of case insensitivity. > I could add a parameter to dired-mark-unmarked-files, case-fold-p, defaulting to nil, which would be set by its > current callers. But I think you are saying that this change to the behavior of dired-omit-mode, which I have > suggested does not need a new preference, should indeed have a new preference, so I can add that too. I > think, though, that it should default to `t', i.e. dired-omit-mode behaving case-sensitively by default. Sounds like a good compromise. I agree about the default, except that it should default to case-insensitive matches on case-insensitive filesystems (Windows etc.) > > + (case-fold-search (memq system-type '(windows-nt cygwin)))) > > The list should include ms-dos as well. > > ​OK, I will add a patch for files.el, since I got the list from there, where it is used for the same purpose. If you mean set-auto-mode, then it doesn't need such a change. For obscure historical reasons, the MS-DOS port wants to be case-sensitive in that particular case (e.g., it wants to treat *.C files as C++, not C). In other places in files.el, ms-dos is already mentioned where case-insensitive file name comparison is needed. > Or perhaps there should be a global variable defined in files.el containing the list? I don't see the need. > > * lisp/dired-x.el (Commentary): Remove USAGE section explaining how to > > use dired-x from .emacs. It is now fully customizable. > > * lisp/dired-x.el (dired-guess-shell-alist-user): Remove explanation of > > how to set this custom variable in .emacs. It should be customized. > > Why remove these comments? The existence of Custom doesn't preclude > people from customizations in plain Lisp. > > The documentation is a maintenance burden (since it is hand-written and duplicate), few people will read it > anyway, and further it is redundant, since it can be customized in plain Lisp in the same way as any other > defcustom. (I presume you're not implying that we should add documentation to every Lisp source file to show > how to customize each defcustom?) Further, the documentation as it is implies that these variables *should* > be customized in plain Lisp, since (unlike most cases), there is explicit documentation about it. I don't share your interpretation of the presence of these comments, but I'm not going to start a dispute about this. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 26 12:54:27 2016 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2016 17:54:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42604 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cAhBD-0006In-5E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 12:54:27 -0500 Received: from mail-lf0-f51.google.com ([209.85.215.51]:35236) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cAhBB-0006IY-8Y for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 12:54:26 -0500 Received: by mail-lf0-f51.google.com with SMTP id b14so69574560lfg.2 for <18716@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 09:54:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=YQQt9St6eGgrcPLqK36xeOFTsYJXjZmEzGTcszRqDc4=; b=I2vpnwNWwpgvDfXSAZfTZobqi3kQC4gM8nuLkD03W8UKYPcwIyg9MhwDCELLLDL8Mb oGBHu2tE9mptJlT8WMFQOFb2mt5tXB4WfVS7XvRgkM1BSqhCSTGsLdSe+it0CIegRdU2 cKAgtupFsrkIXW3YURtn/bDWF0ey411JmR4YA= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=YQQt9St6eGgrcPLqK36xeOFTsYJXjZmEzGTcszRqDc4=; b=EK2njFCFWiIk0F/0Wh6EbHJPLDZtyAa56DQkPUe3Rz6ipkT0eixNpTybM08HX4cJV2 Q4N6V9yaVlpPNas3CbmY25l9oe3VyMzIwIBTbJUpx5QBRxM7t/L0n4+SW6Q6KvFyIZ0n bMf73TKVgB6nr+hMZNoPBJ+cahkxdQO8VDcG1A6I7tGpR4L2rkmJ5S4UB5OW+W0Ate6c R8n1F/L3SvQeP6XG4CEw9vlCctnXTH736De/C5+yFBesy8yte2F3kdYqCDD2CPIPBt8v YTHZ9ABWCbLfNDxaQC26JAnzI0BWMIdKMR710N/R9oPhvmNUmeBz2PDD5bVSscobsg+M COPg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC00DUoFDzejnYttHp9z9tm8IcnPHxmh9ewoVjHOLJJUpJP2LNlbKqDKzCbuwQ9oZdFiyPzGQbrl975X8IFa/ X-Received: by 10.25.56.65 with SMTP id d1mr5151422lfj.171.1480182859197; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 09:54:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.212.211 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 09:54:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83y40rdyku.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> <83a8d9hh62.fsf@gnu.org> <83lgwsfntd.fsf@gnu.org> <83y40rdyku.fsf@gnu.org> From: Reuben Thomas Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 17:54:18 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#18716: Patch for this bug To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=f403045ea68a869b5a054237ed5c X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) --f403045ea68a869b5a054237ed5c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 10 November 2016 at 17:38, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> I could add a parameter to dired-mark-unmarked-files, case-fold-p, defaulting to nil, which would be set by its >> current callers. But I think you are saying that this change to the behavior of dired-omit-mode, which I have >> suggested does not need a new preference, should indeed have a new preference, so I can add that too. I >> think, though, that it should default to `t', i.e. dired-omit-mode behaving case-sensitively by default. > > Sounds like a good compromise. I agree about the default, except that > it should default to case-insensitive matches on case-insensitive > filesystems (Windows etc.) I have now implemented this (apologies for the delay). 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Received: from authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (granite3.serverfarm.cornell.edu [10.16.197.8]) by limerock03.mail.cornell.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4_cu) with ESMTP id uAQITBKr018722; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 13:29:11 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (mta-68-175-148-36.twcny.rr.com [68.175.148.36] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (8.14.4/8.12.10) with ESMTP id uAQITACm021714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 26 Nov 2016 13:29:10 -0500 Subject: Re: bug#18716: Patch for this bug To: Reuben Thomas , Eli Zaretskii References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> <83a8d9hh62.fsf@gnu.org> <83lgwsfntd.fsf@gnu.org> <83y40rdyku.fsf@gnu.org> From: Ken Brown Message-ID: <3cd1ba7a-1aa4-359c-a817-dac9b567157e@cornell.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 13:29:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Cornell-Gauge: Gauge=XXXXX X-PMX-CORNELL-AUTH-RESULTS: dkim-out=none; X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) On 11/26/2016 12:54 PM, Reuben Thomas wrote: >> Sounds like a good compromise. I agree about the default, except that >> it should default to case-insensitive matches on case-insensitive >> filesystems (Windows etc.) > I have now implemented this (apologies for the delay). I attach revised patches. As of commit 2809012 we have a new primitive, file-name-case-insensitive-p, that can be used to determine whether or not a filesystem is case insensitive. This is better than relying on system type. For example, on both Cygwin and macOS, it's possible that some filesystems are case-insensitive and others aren't. Ken From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 28 16:32:13 2016 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2016 21:32:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45316 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cBTX3-0003y4-8l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:32:13 -0500 Received: from mail-lf0-f46.google.com ([209.85.215.46]:36836) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cBTX0-0003xr-LG for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:32:11 -0500 Received: by mail-lf0-f46.google.com with SMTP id t196so107007097lff.3 for <18716@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 13:32:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rlD/YxThpkmUzjuQTh+MnT2VX09/D2UJ0Bsu2lZatB8=; b=E6EgpGy/Yx+NOOo1CJeR0QNDiLAqfOfd5dLbJTRz+3xByFFJoJECnOaxsQ52jLjXfD y/CSJePQVdenjoyAaAXXmKKgI1DzabacmAc7v68z1N5KO4CyioFLxjSWWH0iwiwPxzD6 ykYz9g1ELVUce9huRTXcXbn4FTB7nc2DolWlk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rlD/YxThpkmUzjuQTh+MnT2VX09/D2UJ0Bsu2lZatB8=; b=hhfK08na16fWMqG8VC/L8skbEG2CC2l8ir/uwc9iFjwzdxN4FfeDGLWpuIHKCLUYKN 5LvN1aB71W+tlzChINmM7tAdNsgRM/qLZ6Aqn34XbvDsd3eAQcDi2WOHLe5V87ElTKhQ j1ykhUW0mqU2Nv90UxLSZh7nYxObqy8PAj8YWFKJqPgSZTaU9vXzLhyxUAvMyJ4rfPr6 IuE4vWosueaQVDTUtAwHJJDWWpQKXuwH+nc8JY7I2laXXx4LnahANf4q03xU33vQR/rZ iLNU1lrxznxqLzK6xC9ukgxLoGilKAd/pWe/dYf7DrBGFI7qfl7BgRYcWyjz+HwFc9tS E3zQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC02HvlYkELD9XaJ/b06DVX4apb+p+3DabzTwkNgDx4T0oPJJCXNqWZy91YtpcgDTYLJK8ccKkJ5WB+Q+2aOB X-Received: by 10.46.0.77 with SMTP id 74mr11919076lja.76.1480368724710; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 13:32:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.212.211 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 13:32:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3cd1ba7a-1aa4-359c-a817-dac9b567157e@cornell.edu> References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> <83a8d9hh62.fsf@gnu.org> <83lgwsfntd.fsf@gnu.org> <83y40rdyku.fsf@gnu.org> <3cd1ba7a-1aa4-359c-a817-dac9b567157e@cornell.edu> From: Reuben Thomas Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:32:03 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#18716: Patch for this bug To: Ken Brown Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=001a1142bf1af94e8905426333e8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a1142bf1af94e8905426333e8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1142bf1af94e8605426333e6 --001a1142bf1af94e8605426333e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 26 November 2016 at 18:29, Ken Brown wrote: > On 11/26/2016 12:54 PM, Reuben Thomas wrote: > >> Sounds like a good compromise. I agree about the default, except that >>> it should default to case-insensitive matches on case-insensitive >>> filesystems (Windows etc.) >>> >> I have now implemented this (apologies for the delay). I attach revised >> patches. >> > > As of commit 2809012 we have a new primitive, > file-name-case-insensitive-p, that can be used to determine whether or no= t > a filesystem is case insensitive. This is better than relying on system > type. For example, on both Cygwin and macOS, it's possible that some > filesystems are case-insensitive and others aren't. =E2=80=8BThanks for the heads up, that's great news! It bothered me that th= ere was no easy way to do this previously. =E2=80=8BI updated my patch so that dired-omit-case-fold is now a three-val= ued variable which defaults to 'filesystem, and a helper function that checks (filename-case-sensitive-p dired-directory) when this value is used. 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On = 26 November 2016 at 18:29, Ken Brown <kbrown@cornell.edu> w= rote:
On 11/26/2016 12:54 PM, Reuben Thomas wrote:=
Sounds like a good compromise.=C2=A0 I agree about the default, except that=
it should default to case-insensitive matches on case-insensitive
filesystems (Windows etc.)
I have now implemented this (apologies for the delay). I attach revised pat= ches.

 As of commit 2809012 we have a new primitive, file-name-case-insensitive-p,= that can be used to determine whether or not a filesystem is case insensit= ive.=C2=A0 This is better than relying on system type.=C2=A0 For example, o= n both Cygwin and macOS, it's possible that some filesystems are case-i= nsensitive and others aren't.

=E2=80=8BThank= s for the heads up, that's great news! It bothered me that there was no= easy way to do this previously.

=E2=80=8BI upda= ted my patch so that dired-omit-case-fold is now a three-valued variable wh= ich defaults to 'filesystem, and a helper function that checks (filenam= e-case-sensitive-p dired-directory) when this value is used.
I've added info and NEWS documentation for dired-omit-case= -fold.

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It bothered me that there was no easy way to do this previously. > > ​I updated my patch so that dired-omit-case-fold is now a three-valued variable which defaults to 'filesystem, > and a helper function that checks (filename-case-sensitive-p dired-directory) when this value is used. > > I've added info and NEWS documentation for dired-omit-case-fold. Thanks, a few comments below. With those fixed, please push to master. > +@vindex dired-omit-case-fold > +@item dired-omit-case-fold > + > +Default: @code{filesystem} Please mention this value in the text that follows. > + Set to > +@code{nil} to be always case-sensitive, and @code{t} to be always > +case-sensitive. So which is it? ;-) > +++ > +** The new user variable 'dired-omit-case-fold' allows the > +case-sensitivity of dired-omit-mode to be configured. It defaults to ^^^^^^^^^^ Our terminology is "customized". Bonus points for avoiding passive tense altogether ("... allows customization of case-sensitivity ..."). > +(defcustom dired-omit-case-fold 'filesystem > + "Whether `dired-omit-mode' will use case-folding to match the > +regexp of files to omit. When nil, always be case-sensitive; when The first line of a doc string should be a complete sentence. > +(defun dired-omit-case-fold-p (dir) > + "Return t if, according to `dired-omit-case-fold', > + `dired-omit-mode' should use case folding to interpret its > + regexp in directory DIR." Likewise. 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It bothered me tha= t there > was no easy way to do this previously. > > > > =E2=80=8BI updated my patch so that dired-omit-case-fold is now a three= -valued > variable which defaults to 'filesystem, > > and a helper function that checks (filename-case-sensitive-p > dired-directory) when this value is used. > > > > I've added info and NEWS documentation for dired-omit-case-fold. > > Thanks, a few comments below. With those fixed, please push to > master. > Done; thanks for the review.=E2=80=8B > + Set to > > +@code{nil} to be always case-sensitive, and @code{t} to be always > > +case-sensitive. > > So which is it? ;-) > =E2=80=8BI had quite a lot of struggles with these! Well spotted.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > Bonus points for avoiding passive tense altogether ("... allows > customization of case-sensitivity ..."). > Bonus points earned! > > +(defcustom dired-omit-case-fold 'filesystem > > + "Whether `dired-omit-mode' will use case-folding to match the > > +regexp of files to omit. When nil, always be case-sensitive; when > > The first line of a doc string should be a complete sentence. > =E2=80=8BOK, I fixed this one.=E2=80=8B > > +(defun dired-omit-case-fold-p (dir) > > + "Return t if, according to `dired-omit-case-fold', > > + `dired-omit-mode' should use case folding to interpret its > > + regexp in directory DIR." > > Likewise. > =E2=80=8BI'm a bit puzzled here: this is a complete sentence. I wondered wh= ether you expected an "else" clause, so I added one: "=E2=80=A6, or nil otherwise= ." --=20 http://rrt.sc3d.org --f403045ea68a9fbbb10542af2b1b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On = 2 December 2016 at 09:40, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
=
> From: Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org>
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:32:03 +0000
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, 18716@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> =E2=80=8BThanks for the heads up, that's great news! It bothered m= e that there was no easy way to do this previously.
>
> =E2=80=8BI updated my patch so that dired-omit-case-fold is now a thre= e-valued variable which defaults to 'filesystem,
> and a helper function that checks (filename-case-sensitive-p dired-dir= ectory) when this value is used.
>
> I've added info and NEWS documentation for dired-omit-case-fold.
Thanks, a few comments below.=C2=A0 With those fixed, please push to=
master.

Done; thanks for the review.=E2=80=8B

> +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Set to > +@code{nil} to be always case-sensitive, and @code{t} to be always
> +case-sensitive.

So which is it? ;-)

=E2=80=8BI had quite a lot of struggles= with these! Well spotted.=E2=80=8B

=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
Bonus points for avoiding passive tens= e altogether ("... allows
customization of case-sensitivity ...").

Bonus points = earned!
=C2=A0<= br>
> +(defcustom dired-omit-c= ase-fold 'filesystem
> +=C2=A0 "Whether `dired-omit-mode' will use case-folding to m= atch the
> +regexp of files to omit.=C2=A0 When nil, always be case-sensitive; wh= en

The first line of a doc string should be a complete sentence.

=E2=80=8BOK, I fixed this one.=E2=80=8B
=C2=A0
> +(defun dired-omit-case-fold-p (dir)
> +=C2=A0 "Return t if, according to `dired-omit-case-fold', > +=C2=A0 `dired-omit-mode' should use case folding to interpret its=
> +=C2=A0 regexp in directory DIR."

Likewise.

=E2=80=8BI'm a bit puzzled here: this is a complete sentence. I wond= ered whether you expected an "else" clause, so I added one: "= ;=E2=80=A6, or nil otherwise."

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--f403045ea68a9fbbb10542af2b1b-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 02 11:16:27 2016 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Dec 2016 16:16:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50515 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cCqVc-0000rh-2l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 11:16:27 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46534) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cCqVa-0000rT-MA for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 11:16:22 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cCqVR-0003Ki-Bd for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 11:16:17 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56193) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cCqVR-0003Ke-8L; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 11:16:13 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1820 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cCqVQ-0006B9-Du; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 11:16:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 18:16:22 +0200 Message-Id: <83d1hamhm1.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Reuben Thomas In-reply-to: (message from Reuben Thomas on Fri, 2 Dec 2016 16:10:01 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#18716: Patch for this bug References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> <83a8d9hh62.fsf@gnu.org> <83lgwsfntd.fsf@gnu.org> <83y40rdyku.fsf@gnu.org> <3cd1ba7a-1aa4-359c-a817-dac9b567157e@cornell.edu> <8360n2oej1.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -7.9 (-------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org, kbrown@cornell.edu X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -7.9 (-------) > From: Reuben Thomas > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 16:10:01 +0000 > Cc: Ken Brown , 18716@debbugs.gnu.org > > > +(defun dired-omit-case-fold-p (dir) > > + "Return t if, according to `dired-omit-case-fold', > > + `dired-omit-mode' should use case folding to interpret its > > + regexp in directory DIR." > > Likewise. > > ​I'm a bit puzzled here: this is a complete sentence. It is a complete sentence, but it takes more than one line. The first sentence should take one line, and the first line should be a complete sentence. Okay? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 02 11:31:35 2016 Received: (at 18716) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Dec 2016 16:31:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50538 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cCqkF-0001FY-B7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 11:31:34 -0500 Received: from mail-lf0-f41.google.com ([209.85.215.41]:36059) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cCqkD-0001FL-Q4 for 18716@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 11:31:30 -0500 Received: by mail-lf0-f41.google.com with SMTP id t196so199436590lff.3 for <18716@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 08:31:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=35npcXFOxBrY9S1Mh2oxlpt/kghEoZTD3RMtSZGNiyY=; b=0Gwyn9Yg56w9nSxWqi3qCYYoS9QZ1TDhhsoEG0W2K5DDtKneI0sQzn4lnLYN5py5Ex JRYkNszBIvnd9tJEupLB2bpLVZz+BHeCXk5t9kBVeOswd+g56YcHtyVonJ4kHjz4P1VE nmSrRyXloTJXKUxiRr4XCwRnwxHvhng4R8ApM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=35npcXFOxBrY9S1Mh2oxlpt/kghEoZTD3RMtSZGNiyY=; b=EN8wdz9JxJrgSdmg+JVxPmSNOmLGSZ6Vw35gUwJjdko8iS+82TauoGE09eNAclMJOn /BDDLWDupSG7UXTpisN3a46Bj4yerEtxXCUSNshRgmb2nzSv2ZV3nGA5lXzfbowI4w8y dimHUtbTxAZpwvw8xKrn5VxRw/FE+CrnWAd9pKnejYu805S+yFANOhTyviRqgRW+m2fm 9ORjfbTH+q+tuopkD5nb5raDwqFD5KIGS1T+4vd3BDR1i4ClIRSGj2mtW6vp8P1W1EZ4 bdRT6OeCAKxMFkMgXu9eUKp2nmrfiG+dbvMW9JzKSOfnn8ZhMKUZg2aLWxuoDndLOkF/ BsPg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC02ydr7xn7UMVk14BXreWstHLEz/BBOomO0RkzrkHcrLNnbh7A9ZFI+yb8SwMwaFAQG/V0xf0yWn/MZhsWh6 X-Received: by 10.25.5.215 with SMTP id 206mr17457787lff.119.1480696283885; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 08:31:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.190.2 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 08:31:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83d1hamhm1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8761fm903w.fsf@sc3d.org> <83a8d9hh62.fsf@gnu.org> <83lgwsfntd.fsf@gnu.org> <83y40rdyku.fsf@gnu.org> <3cd1ba7a-1aa4-359c-a817-dac9b567157e@cornell.edu> <8360n2oej1.fsf@gnu.org> <83d1hamhm1.fsf@gnu.org> From: Reuben Thomas Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 16:31:23 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#18716: Patch for this bug To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ec3320589420542af78b1 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18716 Cc: 18716@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) --001a113ec3320589420542af78b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2 December 2016 at 16:16, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Reuben Thomas > > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 16:10:01 +0000 > > Cc: Ken Brown , 18716@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > +(defun dired-omit-case-fold-p (dir) > > > + "Return t if, according to `dired-omit-case-fold', > > > + `dired-omit-mode' should use case folding to interpret its > > > + regexp in directory DIR." > > > > Likewise. > > > > =E2=80=8BI'm a bit puzzled here: this is a complete sentence. > > It is a complete sentence, but it takes more than one line. The first > sentence should take one line, and the first line should be a complete > sentence. > > Okay? > =E2=80=8BSorry, I missed "the first line" somehow. I'll install a fix for b= oth docstrings. --=20 http://rrt.sc3d.org --001a113ec3320589420542af78b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On = 2 December 2016 at 16:16, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
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> From: Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org>
> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 16:10:01 +0000
> Cc: Ken Brown <kbrown@cornell= .edu>, 18716@debbugs.gnu.or= g
>
>=C2=A0 > +(defun dired-omit-case-fold-p (dir)
>=C2=A0 > + "Return t if, according to `dired-omit-case-fold'= ;,
>=C2=A0 > + `dired-omit-mode' should use case folding to interpre= t its
>=C2=A0 > + regexp in directory DIR."
>
>=C2=A0 Likewise.
>
> =E2=80=8BI'm a bit puzzled here: this is a complete sentence.

It is a complete sentence, but it takes more than one line.=C2=A0 Th= e first
sentence should take one line, and the first line should be a complete
sentence.

Okay?

=E2=80=8BSorry, I missed "the first line" somehow. I'll in= stall a fix for both docstrings.

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