From unknown Tue Sep 09 11:47:04 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#18387 <18387@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#18387 <18387@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.3; Segmentation Fault Reply-To: bug#18387 <18387@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2025 18:47:04 +0000 retitle 18387 24.3; Segmentation Fault reassign 18387 emacs submitter 18387 Thorsten Jolitz severity 18387 normal tag 18387 moreinfo thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 02 03:23:55 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Sep 2014 07:23:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56341 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOiRW-0005li-A6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 03:23:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38545) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOiRS-0005lR-Ty for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 03:23:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOiRI-0002Ih-8W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 03:23:45 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:58108) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOiRI-0002Id-5b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 03:23:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40260) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOiRC-0007A0-MB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 03:23:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOiR7-0002I8-7z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 03:23:34 -0400 Received: from mail-we0-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::233]:38301) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOiR6-0002I1-U7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 03:23:29 -0400 Received: by mail-we0-f179.google.com with SMTP id t60so6428059wes.38 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 00:23:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type; bh=UtxI0zOtZLKfK+xAlY28knrwniWpYpqIMGl5fSCQQ28=; b=aCoVahHqcmg4JicRBFDRjRW3KXDQETpRE/gUkdSAGrW5tTqy0F3WFx8sU+6ECxOY4+ w81Hlmky1HZ+pnL4YMCQylnMBgwsvadOqt0CtSMLMd6/gakg0gbEgwbFF9G8Qm6zQfCr XEg8jYkg9lMdWCp+XUL9vXxJC1kxBTBCV1orPkwD+Nrp6KY7DhKs4TrWWXlttk/eppVt xGJKSnW0m0Uabj+Nm74Lowyci2ODaYo26TGBd9YOpwoTrzBUoEdyg8mNwXLku9MjEVL2 gRld4bfCegtXY1QVKVoVGRwLGb7bF6F5J04Y7wu67zJGonDXBCHWdSTWyh501N5SsXaU k2jw== X-Received: by 10.180.188.205 with SMTP id gc13mr26697237wic.66.1409642607740; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 00:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (e178189199.adsl.alicedsl.de. [85.178.189.199]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ju1sm7572432wjc.1.2014.09.02.00.23.26 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Sep 2014 00:23:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Thorsten Jolitz To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3; Segmentation Fault Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 09:23:25 +0200 Message-ID: <87oauyqydu.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). 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My full init file was loaded, I have no way to reproduce this or give a recipe, so I send this backtrace just FYI, maybe its helpful: ,---- | Fatal error 11: Segmentation fault | Backtrace: | emacs[0x4fae93] | emacs[0x4e094e] | emacs[0x4f99ae] | emacs[0x4f9a13] | /usr/lib/libpthread.so.0(+0xf4b0)[0x7f717ad9c4b0] | emacs[0x5a36da] | emacs[0x5a4803] | emacs[0x554003] | emacs[0x5899db] | emacs[0x553b7f] | emacs[0x553eab] | emacs[0x554ed4] | emacs[0x554075] | emacs[0x5899db] | emacs[0x55345c] | emacs[0x5560e8] | emacs[0x58b258] | emacs[0x553b7f] | emacs[0x553eab] | emacs[0x55437a] | emacs[0x4e65bd] | emacs[0x4e68d9] | emacs[0x4e84e8] | emacs[0x4ea39c] | emacs[0x591b11] | emacs[0x420bd3] | emacs[0x4ec2ef] | emacs[0x4ed00a] | emacs[0x4ef44d] | emacs[0x552392] | emacs[0x4e0dde] | emacs[0x552211] | emacs[0x4e56a7] | emacs[0x4e59a7] | emacs[0x417214] | /usr/lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xf0)[0x7f717a9ff000] | emacs[0x417d2e] | Speicherzugriffsfehler (Speicherabzug geschrieben) ,---- If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file /usr/share/emacs/24.3/etc/DEBUG. In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.12.2) of 2014-06-11 on var-lib-archbuild-staging-x86_64-jgc Configured using: `configure '--prefix=/usr' '--sysconfdir=/etc' '--libexecdir=/usr/li\ b' '--localstatedir=/var' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk3' '--with-xft' 'CFLAGS=-march=x86-64 -mtune=generic -O2 -pipe -fstack-protector-str\ ong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4' 'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1,--sort-common,--as-needed,-z,relro' 'CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2'' Important settings: value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: ESC x b u g TAB C-a C-k e m a c s - b u TAB DEL DEL C-a C-k r e p o TAB r TAB RET Recent messages: ("emacs") Loading term/xterm...done For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Making completion list... Load-path shadows: /usr/share/emacs/24.3/lisp/org/.dir-locals hides /usr/share/emacs/24.\ 3/lisp/gnus/.dir-locals Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 \ mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils help-mode easymenu time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset imag\ e regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loadd\ efs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-reada\ ble backquote make-network-process dbusbind dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) -- cheers, Thorsten From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 02 10:50:29 2014 Received: (at 18387) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Sep 2014 14:50:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57014 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOpPg-0001Ob-Pk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 10:50:29 -0400 Received: from mtaout29.012.net.il ([80.179.55.185]:47394) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOpPa-0001OE-BQ for 18387@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 10:50:23 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout29.012.net.il by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NBA006003PSFX00@mtaout29.012.net.il> for 18387@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:50:04 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NBA0055N3VG6P20@mtaout29.012.net.il>; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:50:04 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:50:25 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#18387: 24.3; Segmentation Fault In-reply-to: <87oauyqydu.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Thorsten Jolitz Message-id: <83oauyf55a.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87oauyqydu.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18387 Cc: 18387@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Thorsten Jolitz > Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 09:23:25 +0200 > > When trying to refile an Org todo task, I crashed Emacs. My full init > file was loaded, I have no way to reproduce this or give a recipe, so I > send this backtrace just FYI, maybe its helpful: > > ,---- > | Fatal error 11: Segmentation fault > | Backtrace: > | emacs[0x4fae93] > | emacs[0x4e094e] > | emacs[0x4f99ae] Please use the procedure described in the node "Crashing" in the Emacs User manual to produce file names, function names, and line numbers from these addresses; then post the results here. Otherwise, these addresses are impossible to interpret on any other machine but yours. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 02 11:20:35 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Sep 2014 15:20:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57022 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOpso-00028D-9F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:20:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56536) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOpsl-00027x-EW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:20:32 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOpsZ-0006Ze-Fd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:20:26 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:35031) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOpsZ-0006Za-Dd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:20:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58112) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOpsT-0000GU-GJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:20:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOpsN-0006Sk-83 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:20:13 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:56039) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOpsN-0006QF-2a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:20:07 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XOpsK-00027b-M2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:20:04 +0200 Received: from e178189199.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.189.199]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:20:04 +0200 Received: from tjolitz by e178189199.adsl.alicedsl.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:20:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Thorsten Jolitz Subject: Re: bug#18387: 24.3; Segmentation Fault Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:14:55 +0200 Lines: 105 Message-ID: <87lhq2oxzk.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87oauyqydu.fsf@gmail.com> <83oauyf55a.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: e178189199.adsl.alicedsl.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:q42voFr6B9BeemQsYDMXxU+8DXE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Thorsten Jolitz >> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 09:23:25 +0200 >> >> When trying to refile an Org todo task, I crashed Emacs. My full init >> file was loaded, I have no way to reproduce this or give a recipe, so I >> send this backtrace just FYI, maybe its helpful: >> >> ,---- >> | Fatal error 11: Segmentation fault >> | Backtrace: >> | emacs[0x4fae93] >> | emacs[0x4e094e] >> | emacs[0x4f99ae] > > Please use the procedure described in the node "Crashing" in the Emacs > User manual to produce file names, function names, and line numbers > from these addresses; then post the results here. Otherwise, these > addresses are impossible to interpret on any other machine but yours. ok, didn't know that ... I post the result, but it doesn't look very i nformative either: [tj@arch ~]$ sed -n 's/.*\[\(.*\)]$/\1/p' /home/tj/junk/testdir/emacs-backtrace | addr2line -C -f -i -e /bin/emacs XSetWMNormalHints ??:? XSetWMNormalHints ??:? XSetWMNormalHints ??:? XSetWMNormalHints ??:? ?? ??:0 error ??:? error ??:? re_compile_pattern ??:? error ??:? re_compile_pattern ??:? re_compile_pattern ??:? re_compile_pattern ??:? re_compile_pattern ??:? error ??:? re_compile_pattern ??:? error ??:? error ??:? re_compile_pattern ??:? re_compile_pattern ??:? re_compile_pattern ??:? XSetWMNormalHints ??:? XSetWMNormalHints ??:? XSetWMNormalHints ??:? XSetWMNormalHints ??:? error ??:? ?? ??:0 XSetWMNormalHints ??:? XSetWMNormalHints ??:? XSetWMNormalHints ??:? re_compile_pattern ??:? XSetWMNormalHints ??:? re_compile_pattern ??:? XSetWMNormalHints ??:? XSetWMNormalHints ??:? ?? ??:0 ?? ??:0 ?? ??:0 \)]' -- cheers, Thorsten From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 02 11:35:57 2014 Received: (at 18387) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Sep 2014 15:35:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57038 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOq7g-0002Xb-HZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:35:56 -0400 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:62806) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOq7d-0002XL-Nu for 18387@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:35:54 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NBA00I005OA6Q00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 18387@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:35:47 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NBA00IBH5ZM3460@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:35:47 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:35:56 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#18387: 24.3; Segmentation Fault In-reply-to: <87lhq2oxzk.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Thorsten Jolitz Message-id: <83fvgaf31f.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87oauyqydu.fsf@gmail.com> <83oauyf55a.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhq2oxzk.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18387 Cc: 18387@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Thorsten Jolitz > Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:14:55 +0200 > > [tj@arch ~]$ sed -n 's/.*\[\(.*\)]$/\1/p' > /home/tj/junk/testdir/emacs-backtrace | addr2line -C -f -i -e /bin/emacs > XSetWMNormalHints > ??:? > XSetWMNormalHints > ??:? > XSetWMNormalHints > ??:? > XSetWMNormalHints Are you sure this is the same binary that crashed? Did you rebuild Emacs in the meantime? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 02 11:55:08 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Sep 2014 15:55:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57043 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOqQF-000312-Cw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:55:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37840) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOqQC-00030U-IL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:55:05 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOqQ0-00041W-E1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:54:59 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:32841) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOqQ0-000418-B9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:54:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39544) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOqPu-000836-BQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:54:52 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOqPo-0003nQ-FO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:54:46 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:33850) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOqPo-0003nM-8v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:54:40 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XOqPm-0004NT-R6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:54:38 +0200 Received: from e178189199.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.189.199]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:54:38 +0200 Received: from tjolitz by e178189199.adsl.alicedsl.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:54:38 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Thorsten Jolitz Subject: Re: bug#18387: 24.3; Segmentation Fault Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:54:22 +0200 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <87d2beow5t.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87oauyqydu.fsf@gmail.com> <83oauyf55a.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhq2oxzk.fsf@gmail.com> <83fvgaf31f.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: e178189199.adsl.alicedsl.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:eoxjO1JkATDzCk2qGJRbzOdx0xI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Thorsten Jolitz >> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:14:55 +0200 >> >> [tj@arch ~]$ sed -n 's/.*\[\(.*\)]$/\1/p' >> /home/tj/junk/testdir/emacs-backtrace | addr2line -C -f -i -e /bin/emacs >> XSetWMNormalHints >> ??:? >> XSetWMNormalHints >> ??:? >> XSetWMNormalHints >> ??:? >> XSetWMNormalHints > > Are you sure this is the same binary that crashed? Did you rebuild > Emacs in the meantime? I'm pretty sure I have only one Emacs on my machine, and did not rebuild anything. '/bin/emacs' was a symlink, but using the real thing '/usr/bin/emacs-24.3' did not change the output. -- cheers, Thorsten From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 02 12:20:57 2014 Received: (at 18387) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Sep 2014 16:20:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57048 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOqpF-0003ee-2W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 12:20:57 -0400 Received: from mtaout25.012.net.il ([80.179.55.181]:52612) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOqpC-0003eM-Kf for 18387@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 12:20:56 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout25.012.net.il by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NBA007007IDKN00@mtaout25.012.net.il> for 18387@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 19:15:24 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NBA006LG7TOT220@mtaout25.012.net.il>; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 19:15:24 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 19:20:58 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#18387: 24.3; Segmentation Fault In-reply-to: <87d2beow5t.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Thorsten Jolitz Message-id: <83egvuf0yd.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87oauyqydu.fsf@gmail.com> <83oauyf55a.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhq2oxzk.fsf@gmail.com> <83fvgaf31f.fsf@gnu.org> <87d2beow5t.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18387 Cc: 18387@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Thorsten Jolitz > Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:54:22 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Thorsten Jolitz > >> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:14:55 +0200 > >> > >> [tj@arch ~]$ sed -n 's/.*\[\(.*\)]$/\1/p' > >> /home/tj/junk/testdir/emacs-backtrace | addr2line -C -f -i -e /bin/emacs > >> XSetWMNormalHints > >> ??:? > >> XSetWMNormalHints > >> ??:? > >> XSetWMNormalHints > >> ??:? > >> XSetWMNormalHints > > > > Are you sure this is the same binary that crashed? Did you rebuild > > Emacs in the meantime? > > I'm pretty sure I have only one Emacs on my machine, and did not rebuild > anything. '/bin/emacs' was a symlink, but using the real thing > '/usr/bin/emacs-24.3' did not change the output. Maybe your binary is stripped, then. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 02 12:27:12 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Sep 2014 16:27:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57052 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOqvI-0003oN-0n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 12:27:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44559) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOqvF-0003o8-6F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 12:27:10 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOqv3-0000dh-0w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 12:27:03 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:49406) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOqv2-0000dd-Uq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 12:26:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46257) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOquw-0002on-MZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 12:26:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOquq-0000aX-PX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 12:26:50 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:57603) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOquq-0000aC-Ht for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 12:26:44 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XOqul-0005FB-N7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:26:39 +0200 Received: from e178189199.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.189.199]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:26:39 +0200 Received: from tjolitz by e178189199.adsl.alicedsl.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:26:39 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Thorsten Jolitz Subject: Re: bug#18387: 24.3; Segmentation Fault Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:26:24 +0200 Lines: 36 Message-ID: <878um2ouof.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87oauyqydu.fsf@gmail.com> <83oauyf55a.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhq2oxzk.fsf@gmail.com> <83fvgaf31f.fsf@gnu.org> <87d2beow5t.fsf@gmail.com> <83egvuf0yd.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: e178189199.adsl.alicedsl.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:nPQyIBNHOIIKpsyEfTVQuZd9TWc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Thorsten Jolitz >> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:54:22 +0200 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> >> From: Thorsten Jolitz >> >> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:14:55 +0200 >> >> >> >> [tj@arch ~]$ sed -n 's/.*\[\(.*\)]$/\1/p' >> >> /home/tj/junk/testdir/emacs-backtrace | addr2line -C -f -i -e >> >> /bin/emacs >> >> XSetWMNormalHints >> >> ??:? >> >> XSetWMNormalHints >> >> ??:? >> >> XSetWMNormalHints >> >> ??:? >> >> XSetWMNormalHints >> > >> > Are you sure this is the same binary that crashed? Did you rebuild >> > Emacs in the meantime? >> >> I'm pretty sure I have only one Emacs on my machine, and did not rebuild >> anything. '/bin/emacs' was a symlink, but using the real thing >> '/usr/bin/emacs-24.3' did not change the output. > > Maybe your binary is stripped, then. Stripped? What do you mean with that? It works, at least, I'm using it right now. -- cheers, Thorsten From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 02 13:58:29 2014 Received: (at 18387) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Sep 2014 17:58:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57076 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOsLd-000679-AH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 13:58:29 -0400 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:36937) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XOsLa-00066u-66 for 18387@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 13:58:27 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NBA00I00C9FIS00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 18387@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 20:58:19 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NBA00IXBCL7DL70@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 20:58:19 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 20:58:29 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#18387: 24.3; Segmentation Fault In-reply-to: <878um2ouof.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Thorsten Jolitz Message-id: <83bnqxgb0a.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87oauyqydu.fsf@gmail.com> <83oauyf55a.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhq2oxzk.fsf@gmail.com> <83fvgaf31f.fsf@gnu.org> <87d2beow5t.fsf@gmail.com> <83egvuf0yd.fsf@gnu.org> <878um2ouof.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18387 Cc: 18387@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > From: Thorsten Jolitz > Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:26:24 +0200 > > > Maybe your binary is stripped, then. > > Stripped? What do you mean with that? Stripped of all symbols. > It works, at least, I'm using it right now. Yes, stripped binaries work just fine. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 03 03:06:23 2014 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2014 07:06:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57417 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XP4e7-0000MP-1n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 03:06:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47298) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XP4e3-0000MA-C7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 03:06:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XP4ds-0006Ix-7k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 03:06:14 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:39158) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XP4ds-0006Is-4v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 03:06:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49001) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XP4dm-0004V0-Su for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 03:06:08 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XP4dg-0006GE-1z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 03:06:02 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:49484) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XP4df-0006G9-RX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 03:05:55 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XP4dZ-0007vg-An for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 09:05:49 +0200 Received: from e178060075.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.60.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 09:05:49 +0200 Received: from tjolitz by e178060075.adsl.alicedsl.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 09:05:49 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Thorsten Jolitz Subject: Re: bug#18387: 24.3; Segmentation Fault Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 09:05:33 +0200 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <87ha0p5gle.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87oauyqydu.fsf@gmail.com> <83oauyf55a.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhq2oxzk.fsf@gmail.com> <83fvgaf31f.fsf@gnu.org> <87d2beow5t.fsf@gmail.com> <83egvuf0yd.fsf@gnu.org> <878um2ouof.fsf@gmail.com> <83bnqxgb0a.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: e178060075.adsl.alicedsl.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:7nCrnmDS4leTrOmf+4IFMQr1av0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Thorsten Jolitz >> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:26:24 +0200 >> >> > Maybe your binary is stripped, then. >> >> Stripped? What do you mean with that? > > Stripped of all symbols. > >> It works, at least, I'm using it right now. > > Yes, stripped binaries work just fine. Ah, I see: ,---- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip_%28Unix%29 `---- so I learned something from this thread ... -- cheers, Thorsten From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 03 20:25:56 2014 Received: (at 18387-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Sep 2014 00:25:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58229 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XPKs7-0003YZ-Ga for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 20:25:55 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:47481 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XPKs4-0003YQ-N4 for 18387-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 20:25:53 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XPKs4-00009X-2S; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 20:25:52 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 18387-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#18387: 24.3; Segmentation Fault References: <87oauyqydu.fsf@gmail.com> <83oauyf55a.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhq2oxzk.fsf@gmail.com> <83fvgaf31f.fsf@gnu.org> <87d2beow5t.fsf@gmail.com> <83egvuf0yd.fsf@gnu.org> <878um2ouof.fsf@gmail.com> <83bnqxgb0a.fsf@gnu.org> <87ha0p5gle.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spook: Hugo Chavez secure Ansar al-Islam BLU-114/B USCODE jihad X-Ran: !,J%mv.O@}q1hJ-(9CX~\vO+n+OQ,LUEgR0fJV&iiU1R$SSH`[M]#qu{PyY|K6J:X{:}oD X-Hue: red X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 20:25:51 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18387-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) Anyway, since the crash is not reproducible and the backtrace sheds no light, nothing can be done; hence closing this report. 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